I am now officially ready for a couple of days of sunshine or maybe
partly cloudy? At least no rain? Saturday morning saw about three feet
of snow on the ground (snow, Larry). Then it started to rain. Power
went out at about 3pm Saturday and back on at 6 (shortly after I had
started the generator). We are "enjoying" a phenomenon called the
"pineapple express" which consists of subtropical moisture pushed
onshore by a low pressure area moving in from Alaska. We are getting
rain at rates up to 1" per hour. Perhaps half the snow has melted.
Unhappily, temperatures are expected to drop tomorrow with the arrival
of yet another low with its own moisture. Should turn the whole town
into an ice rink.
The house next door is a "weekend" rental. This weekend there were
perhaps 15 people there. Talked to a couple of them and it was obvious
that they had never seen inclement weather like this. They seemed to
have two sets of tire chains which they divided up among three cars (the
one who got the extra was a 4wd Jeep who had one chain on the front and
one on the back). They had wanted to bring their children on their
first trip to the snow. Middle eastern accents all. The ground floor
of their house flooded, toilet backed up, all in all a miserable time.
I called the rental people (whom I know), explained the situation, and
they got equipment in to pull the cars up to the road, get proper chains
on and send them home. Hope the service was gratis.
Noticed that all roads out of the mountain communities are now closed.
Hope those folks made it out of here ok.
mahalo,
captain cozy
mac davis wrote:
> On Wed, 12 Jan 2005 10:07:33 -0600, Duane Bozarth
> <[email protected]> wrote:
>
> <snip>
>
>>But, adding that makes me wonder why those who build on unstable
>>hillsides (as those who build in flood plains, etc.) are surprised when
>>they collapse? (And, after all, even several hundred years of weather
>>records is a mere pittance when determining an empirical distribution of
>>extremes...)
>
>
> yeah.. kind of like those dudes along the major rivers in the south
> that get flooded out every few years..
> you always see them interviewed on tv and saying something like "well,
> we've been flooded out many times before and we'll rebuild just like
> we always have"..
>
> I just want to shake them and say "move the friggin house back to
> higher ground, dipstick!"
>
>
>
> mac
>
> Please remove splinters before emailing
As long as insurance and FEMA keep paying them to rebuild they
won't. On the other hand, after Hurricane Hugo sent a 13' storm
surge through the area I saw a lot of mobile homes, aka trailers,
being set on columns of cinderblocks to raise them above that
level. They did cement them together though.
Joe
Duane Bozarth wrote:
> Joe Gorman wrote:
> ...
>
>>... after Hurricane Hugo sent a 13' storm
>>surge through the area I saw a lot of mobile homes, aka trailers,
>>being set on columns of cinderblocks to raise them above that
>>level. They did cement them together though.
>
>
> Yeah, like that'll stand up!!! :)
Doesn't have to stand up long, just enough to meet the above flood
waters requirement for someone else to pay to have it fixed:-)
There were cases where insurance paid for the roof and top 12" of
damage to the structure. The lower damage was flood damage and
requires separate insurance.
Joe
jo4hn wrote:
>
> I have good news and bad: the good is that it stopped raining
> (approximately 18 inches of RAIN at my house) and damage in our hamlet
> is minor. The bad is that the temperature went from 40dF to 20dF from
> 0600 to 1200 on Tuesday and it snowed a bit. More good: the newspaper
> fairy found a road open and delivered Monday and Tuesday's paper. Plus,
> I managed to chop enough snow to get the truck out again.
>
> All the roads into the mountain communities are again blocked by
> landslide, avalanche, flooding, TV crews, and tornadoes. Sheesh. Maggy
> has decided that to bring some sense of normalcy, we need to throw GW
> Bush into a volcano.
Fine up to the last sentence...and I would have left it alone and
thought only of the unfortunate weather pattern.
But, adding that makes me wonder why those who build on unstable
hillsides (as those who build in flood plains, etc.) are surprised when
they collapse? (And, after all, even several hundred years of weather
records is a mere pittance when determining an empirical distribution of
extremes...)
Swingman wrote:
>
> "Patriarch" wrote in message
>
> > So, what I want to know is who has got such a booming export market in
> > fools?
>
> I would never presume to answer that for fear that I may deviate from the
> true course of rectitude ......... but, hasn't the general trend been from
> East to West, North to South? :)
Well, there was a period in which the predominant trend was South to
North, particularly to traditional northen midwest, as in Detroit, etc.
And, now there's a smaller trend of West Coast to "not so West". But,
overall, yeah, that's been the trend...
And to get the thread back OT... :)
Wind just shifted to north and it's dropped 25 F in the last hour or
so...blue norther is on its way. (It was 53F here at 11AM w/ light S
wind and were reporting <30 F about 60 miles north of us at the time.)
Fortunately, there's not a lot of moisture left so total precip is
expected to be minimal here, the lucky folks that got the 2" of freezing
rain last week are to be the targets again, however.
Swingman wrote:
>
> "Duane Bozarth" wrote in message
>
> > And to get the thread back OT... :)
> >
> > Wind just shifted to north and it's dropped 25 F in the last hour or
> > so...blue norther is on its way.
>
> 80 in Houston right now, 35 forecast for tomorrow night.
>
> IOW, it's heading this way ... please put that barbed wire fence back up,
> and add a couple of strands while you're at it.
Sorry, the tumbleweeds just took it down and it's too d--- cold to go
put it back until spring...the kittle will just have to fend for
themselves 'til then... :)
Yep, it's on its way fo' shoo-ure...
"Luigi Zanasi" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> On Mon, 10 Jan 2005 05:44:31 +0000, Groggy wrote:
>
> > Latest in - tomorrow will be 98.6, hooray, I can finally take the jumper
> > off!
>
> That's 37 degrees Celsius! Well it's 38 here in Whitehorse right now.
> Below zero, of course.
Whitehorse, eh?
I'm one of those crazy 'mericans that drove through there last July,
even spent the night (if you want to call that midnight till something
AM period "night"). Big city for that part of the world; I was a might
pleased to see a WalMart at that point.
I made it all the way up to that other "Horse", "Dead Horse, AK", 11000
mile round trip and that was with taking the ferry back to Washington
state.
John Keeney wrote:
> "Luigi Zanasi" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> news:[email protected]...
>
>>On Mon, 10 Jan 2005 05:44:31 +0000, Groggy wrote:
>>
>>
>>>Latest in - tomorrow will be 98.6, hooray, I can finally take the jumper
>>>off!
>>
>>That's 37 degrees Celsius! Well it's 38 here in Whitehorse right now.
>>Below zero, of course.
>
>
> Whitehorse, eh?
> I'm one of those crazy 'mericans that drove through there last July,
> even spent the night (if you want to call that midnight till something
> AM period "night"). Big city for that part of the world; I was a might
> pleased to see a WalMart at that point.
> I made it all the way up to that other "Horse", "Dead Horse, AK", 11000
> mile round trip and that was with taking the ferry back to Washington
> state.
>
>
Eleven THOUSAND miles? Where the hell were you going from and to?
That's nearly half the circumference of the earth! It's only about
3,300 miles from Miami to Seattle. How long were you on that thing?
I have good news and bad: the good is that it stopped raining
(approximately 18 inches of RAIN at my house) and damage in our hamlet
is minor. The bad is that the temperature went from 40dF to 20dF from
0600 to 1200 on Tuesday and it snowed a bit. More good: the newspaper
fairy found a road open and delivered Monday and Tuesday's paper. Plus,
I managed to chop enough snow to get the truck out again.
All the roads into the mountain communities are again blocked by
landslide, avalanche, flooding, TV crews, and tornadoes. Sheesh. Maggy
has decided that to bring some sense of normalcy, we need to throw GW
Bush into a volcano.
Warmer tomorrow.
keeping the faith,
jo4hn
"Duane Bozarth" wrote in message
> But, adding that makes me wonder why those who build on unstable
> hillsides (as those who build in flood plains, etc.) are surprised when
> they collapse? (And, after all, even several hundred years of weather
> records is a mere pittance when determining an empirical distribution of
> extremes...)
The why of it? ... hell, that's easy:
"I want, I deserve, I can afford, I am Californian, therefore I shall have
... mother nature wouldn't dare interfere with _my_ desires."
Which brings up the more basic question: Don't they have PE's in California
who design foundations and don't they require soil reports prior to
building?
That said, we have our own brand of fools down here in Texas who build on
the beaches and on rivers that have been flooding for centuries ... granted,
most of them came from elsewhere in the last twenty years.
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On Tue, 11 Jan 2005 21:15:26 -0700, Mark & Juanita
<[email protected]> wrote:
>On Tue, 11 Jan 2005 07:03:01 GMT, Groggy <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>>On Mon, 10 Jan 2005 22:10:28 -0700, Mark & Juanita
>><[email protected]> wrote:
>>
>>
>>> Is that the high or the low? If it's the high, then it sounds like your
>>>weather is close to ours -- if that's the low, then it sounds like you've
>>>got a good deal. ;-)
>>
>>Low - Melbourne has been chosen as "the world's most liveable city"
>>for a number of years running now.
>>
>>Groggy
>
> Well, that would certainly meet one of my criteria (no more freezing
>temperatures). Are you able to raise citrus trees since the weather is so
>temperate?
There are some Orange groves not far from here, also, within 10kms are
some major market gardens.
Greg
Groggy wrote:
> On Mon, 10 Jan 2005 05:42:24 GMT, Groggy <[email protected]>
> wrote:
>
>
>
>>I feel your pain, it's been 82.4 here nearly all week, we need a
>>change too!
>
>
>
> Latest in - tomorrow will be 98.6, hooray, I can finally take the
> jumper off!
>
> Grogs
I think you need a good beating. ;-)
Maggy and I are doing a cruise (Oz and NZ) in mid February. Nice way to
see some of the sights and get the lay of the land. And to thaw out.
mahalo,
jo4hn
On Tue, 11 Jan 2005 07:03:01 GMT, Groggy <[email protected]> wrote:
>On Mon, 10 Jan 2005 22:10:28 -0700, Mark & Juanita
><[email protected]> wrote:
>
>
>> Is that the high or the low? If it's the high, then it sounds like your
>>weather is close to ours -- if that's the low, then it sounds like you've
>>got a good deal. ;-)
>
>Low - Melbourne has been chosen as "the world's most liveable city"
>for a number of years running now.
>
>Groggy
Well, that would certainly meet one of my criteria (no more freezing
temperatures). Are you able to raise citrus trees since the weather is so
temperate?
+--------------------------------------------------------------------------------+
Now we'll just use some glue to hold things in place until the brads dry
+--------------------------------------------------------------------------------+
Mon, Jan 10, 2005, 2:40am (EST+5) [email protected] (jo4hn)
I am now officially ready <snip>
Damn, thought we had it bad - supposed to have only gotten up to 61
today. But, the bright side is, I have a Calvin and Hobbs book of
cartoons to look at. Hehehe
JOAT
Success is getting what you want.
Happiness is wanting what you get.
- =A0Dale Carnegie
On Mon, 10 Jan 2005 16:32:02 GMT, jo4hn <[email protected]> wrote:
>I think you need a good beating. ;-)
>Maggy and I are doing a cruise (Oz and NZ) in mid February. Nice way to
>see some of the sights and get the lay of the land. And to thaw out.
> mahalo,
> jo4hn
Although it has been a cool summer so far, mid Feb is normally peak
summer heat here. Are you coming to Melbourne by any chance?
Grogs
On Mon, 10 Jan 2005 20:21:27 -0700, Mark & Juanita
<[email protected]> wrote:
>On Mon, 10 Jan 2005 05:42:24 GMT, Groggy <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>>On Mon, 10 Jan 2005 02:40:46 GMT, jo4hn <[email protected]> wrote:
>>
>>>I am now officially ready for a couple of days of sunshine or maybe
>>>partly cloudy? At least no rain? Saturday morning saw about three feet
>><snip>
>>>Noticed that all roads out of the mountain communities are now closed.
>>>Hope those folks made it out of here ok.
>>> mahalo,
>>> captain cozy
>>
>>
>>I feel your pain, it's been 82.4 here nearly all week, we need a
>>change too!
>>
>>BTW, what's "snow"?
>>
>><GD&R>
>>
>>Groggy
>
> ... and I'm sure we can return the favor about mid-July or August.
>(OTOH, here in Tucson, snow is a somewhat elusive animal even during the
>winter -- but it does get cold, we were close to freezing last week).
Yes, it'll be down to about 50-60 deg then, Brrrrr....
Greg
On Tue, 11 Jan 2005 04:34:50 GMT, Groggy <[email protected]> wrote:
.. snip
>>
>> ... and I'm sure we can return the favor about mid-July or August.
>>(OTOH, here in Tucson, snow is a somewhat elusive animal even during the
>>winter -- but it does get cold, we were close to freezing last week).
>
>Yes, it'll be down to about 50-60 deg then, Brrrrr....
>
>Greg
Is that the high or the low? If it's the high, then it sounds like your
weather is close to ours -- if that's the low, then it sounds like you've
got a good deal. ;-)
+--------------------------------------------------------------------------------+
Now we'll just use some glue to hold things in place until the brads dry
+--------------------------------------------------------------------------------+
On Wed, 12 Jan 2005 15:49:20 GMT, jo4hn <[email protected]> wrote:
>I have good news and bad: the good is that it stopped raining
>(approximately 18 inches of RAIN at my house) and damage in our hamlet
>is minor. The bad is that the temperature went from 40dF to 20dF from
>0600 to 1200 on Tuesday and it snowed a bit. More good: the newspaper
>fairy found a road open and delivered Monday and Tuesday's paper. Plus,
>I managed to chop enough snow to get the truck out again.
>
>All the roads into the mountain communities are again blocked by
>landslide, avalanche, flooding, TV crews, and tornadoes. Sheesh. Maggy
>has decided that to bring some sense of normalcy, we need to throw GW
>Bush into a volcano.
>
I'd be more inclined to believe you'd have better luck with Barbara
Boxer; or make it a twofer and include Nancy Pelosi. ;-)
>Warmer tomorrow.
>
> keeping the faith,
> jo4hn
+--------------------------------------------------------------------------------+
Now we'll just use some glue to hold things in place until the brads dry
+--------------------------------------------------------------------------------+
On Mon, 10 Jan 2005 22:10:28 -0700, Mark & Juanita
<[email protected]> wrote:
> Is that the high or the low? If it's the high, then it sounds like your
>weather is close to ours -- if that's the low, then it sounds like you've
>got a good deal. ;-)
Low - Melbourne has been chosen as "the world's most liveable city"
for a number of years running now.
Groggy
On Mon, 10 Jan 2005 02:40:46 GMT, jo4hn <[email protected]> wrote:
>I am now officially ready for a couple of days of sunshine or maybe
>partly cloudy? At least no rain? Saturday morning saw about three feet
<snip>
>Noticed that all roads out of the mountain communities are now closed.
>Hope those folks made it out of here ok.
> mahalo,
> captain cozy
I feel your pain, it's been 82.4 here nearly all week, we need a
change too!
BTW, what's "snow"?
<GD&R>
Groggy
Groggy wrote:
> On Mon, 10 Jan 2005 16:32:02 GMT, jo4hn <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>>I think you need a good beating. ;-)
>>Maggy and I are doing a cruise (Oz and NZ) in mid February. Nice way to
>>see some of the sights and get the lay of the land. And to thaw out.
>> mahalo,
>> jo4hn
>
>
> Although it has been a cool summer so far, mid Feb is normally peak
> summer heat here. Are you coming to Melbourne by any chance?
>
> Grogs
Will be in Melbourne on Feb 13.
j4
"Duane Bozarth" wrote in message
> And to get the thread back OT... :)
>
> Wind just shifted to north and it's dropped 25 F in the last hour or
> so...blue norther is on its way.
80 in Houston right now, 35 forecast for tomorrow night.
IOW, it's heading this way ... please put that barbed wire fence back up,
and add a couple of strands while you're at it.
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On Tue, 11 Jan 2005 00:17:18 GMT, jo4hn <[email protected]> wrote:
>> Although it has been a cool summer so far, mid Feb is normally peak
>> summer heat here. Are you coming to Melbourne by any chance?
>>
>> Grogs
>
>Will be in Melbourne on Feb 13.
> j4
Starting the end of January I will be commuting 100 miles to work and
only returning on weekends. Since the 13th is a Sunday there may be a
chance to hook up to say g'day. Ping me at [email protected] a bit
closer to the day and we'll see if we can meet, I'd look forward to
that.
cheers,
Greg
On Mon, 10 Jan 2005 05:42:24 GMT, Groggy <[email protected]>
wrote:
>
>I feel your pain, it's been 82.4 here nearly all week, we need a
>change too!
Latest in - tomorrow will be 98.6, hooray, I can finally take the
jumper off!
Grogs
On Mon, 10 Jan 2005 05:44:31 +0000, Groggy wrote:
> Latest in - tomorrow will be 98.6, hooray, I can finally take the jumper
> off!
That's 37 degrees Celsius! Well it's 38 here in Whitehorse right now.
Below zero, of course.
Ackshally, 37 is too hot. I'd rather have the 38 below as it's a
lot easier to get warm than to cool down. All you need is a match and a
supply of readily available wood (OBWW). OTOH, if your air conditioner
goes on the fritz, you're toast (literally).
And you say Melbourne is the world's most livable city! No thanks.
I missed the earlier thread about snow in Texas around Christmas, but I
have to say that we enjoyed unseasonably hot weather at that time. I think
it went up to +12 (54 Fahrenheit, Keith), and they had to close down the
Alaska Highway because it was too hot! (1)
Happy New Year everyone.
BTW, Grogs, the "hammuh" is starting to happen & my guilt starting to lessen.
Luigi
replace "nonet" with "yukonomics" for real email address
(1) Warm air and precipitation on the cold frozen ground resulted in
turning the highway into a skating rink.
On Mon, 10 Jan 2005 05:42:24 GMT, Groggy <[email protected]> wrote:
>On Mon, 10 Jan 2005 02:40:46 GMT, jo4hn <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>>I am now officially ready for a couple of days of sunshine or maybe
>>partly cloudy? At least no rain? Saturday morning saw about three feet
><snip>
>>Noticed that all roads out of the mountain communities are now closed.
>>Hope those folks made it out of here ok.
>> mahalo,
>> captain cozy
>
>
>I feel your pain, it's been 82.4 here nearly all week, we need a
>change too!
>
>BTW, what's "snow"?
>
><GD&R>
>
>Groggy
... and I'm sure we can return the favor about mid-July or August.
(OTOH, here in Tucson, snow is a somewhat elusive animal even during the
winter -- but it does get cold, we were close to freezing last week).
+--------------------------------------------------------------------------------+
Now we'll just use some glue to hold things in place until the brads dry
+--------------------------------------------------------------------------------+
"Patriarch" wrote in message
> So, what I want to know is who has got such a booming export market in
> fools?
I would never presume to answer that for fear that I may deviate from the
true course of rectitude ......... but, hasn't the general trend been from
East to West, North to South? :)
>
>The ones that ignored common sense tended to lose their
> homes, property and/or lives, before the advent of generalized, cover
> foolishness property insurance.
Bingo!
> Europeans tend to build as though a house were a multigeneration
> investment. In the US, we get McMansions.
Welcome to the "teardown age" ... the new houses we build today are the
"teardowns" of tommorrow, based loosely on the term of the mortgage.
> Patriarch,
> rebuilding the 'affordable California home', one challenge at a time...
Take off them shades when you talk like that, boy!
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On Tue, 11 Jan 2005 23:23:13 +0000, "Luigi Zanasi" <[email protected]>
wrote:
>On Mon, 10 Jan 2005 05:44:31 +0000, Groggy wrote:
>
>> Latest in - tomorrow will be 98.6, hooray, I can finally take the jumper
>> off!
>
>That's 37 degrees Celsius! Well it's 38 here in Whitehorse right now.
>Below zero, of course.
>
>Ackshally, 37 is too hot. I'd rather have the 38 below as it's a
>lot easier to get warm than to cool down. All you need is a match and a
>supply of readily available wood (OBWW). OTOH, if your air conditioner
>goes on the fritz, you're toast (literally).
>
>And you say Melbourne is the world's most livable city! No thanks.
>
>I missed the earlier thread about snow in Texas around Christmas, but I
>have to say that we enjoyed unseasonably hot weather at that time. I think
>it went up to +12 (54 Fahrenheit, Keith), and they had to close down the
>Alaska Highway because it was too hot! (1)
>
>Happy New Year everyone.
>
>BTW, Grogs, the "hammuh" is starting to happen & my guilt starting to lessen.
>
>Luigi
>replace "nonet" with "yukonomics" for real email address
>
>(1) Warm air and precipitation on the cold frozen ground resulted in
>turning the highway into a skating rink.
Bwahaha!
G'day Luigi! Long time no read, I though maybe you and the permafrost
had become one!
Good to read about the Hammuh, and, as for the temperature, anywhere
you have to thaw the wood before cutting it - no thanks!
Hope to see you around a bit more,
cheers,
Groggy
On Wed, 12 Jan 2005 10:07:33 -0600, Duane Bozarth
<[email protected]> wrote:
<snip>
>But, adding that makes me wonder why those who build on unstable
>hillsides (as those who build in flood plains, etc.) are surprised when
>they collapse? (And, after all, even several hundred years of weather
>records is a mere pittance when determining an empirical distribution of
>extremes...)
yeah.. kind of like those dudes along the major rivers in the south
that get flooded out every few years..
you always see them interviewed on tv and saying something like "well,
we've been flooded out many times before and we'll rebuild just like
we always have"..
I just want to shake them and say "move the friggin house back to
higher ground, dipstick!"
mac
Please remove splinters before emailing
"Swingman" <[email protected]> wrote in
news:[email protected]:
> The why of it? ... hell, that's easy:
>
> "I want, I deserve, I can afford, I am Californian, therefore I shall
> have ... mother nature wouldn't dare interfere with _my_ desires."
>
> Which brings up the more basic question: Don't they have PE's in
> California who design foundations and don't they require soil reports
> prior to building?
PEs are not, as a rule, infallible. And the less expensive the project,
the less investigative time will be taken on the soils report. Less than
30 years ago, some of today's $700k houses sold for $40k, and many of those
were resales, build a decade or two prior to that.
> That said, we have our own brand of fools down here in Texas who build
> on the beaches and on rivers that have been flooding for centuries ...
> granted, most of them came from elsewhere in the last twenty years.
>
So, what I want to know is who has got such a booming export market in
fools?
Native Californians, like native Texans, and natives elsewhere, know where
the problems are. The ones that ignored common sense tended to lose their
homes, property and/or lives, before the advent of generalized, cover
foolishness property insurance.
Europeans tend to build as though a house were a multigeneration
investment. In the US, we get McMansions.
Patriarch,
rebuilding the 'affordable California home', one challenge at a time...