http://www.rockler.com/product.cfm?page=30675
If you use pocket hole joinery and have a Rockler near you, you might
want to see if they're running this in-store today.
Stopped by and picked one up this morning for 9.99 (already have one
without the quick release and I've taken to using one, along with a vice
grip style hand clamp, over all other methods).
FWIW ...
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On 8/1/2012 10:33 AM, tiredofspam wrote:
>
> Cataract surgery went well yesterday, seeing things I haven't been able
> to see in a long time. But I am having some wierd vision coming and
> going, but also some peripheral that I am not used to. Feels wierd.
> It'll be a few days before I get in front of a saw.. Just not feeling
> confident yet. I'd like to get my vision stabilized or used to this new
> feeling.
That's great news ... took me awhile just to get used to trifocals, so I
can imagine the feeling.
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On 7/31/2012 4:24 PM, Artemus wrote:
> "Swingman" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> news:[email protected]...
>>
>> http://www.rockler.com/product.cfm?page=30675
>>
>> If you use pocket hole joinery and have a Rockler near you, you might want to see
>> if they're running this in-store today.
>>
>> Stopped by and picked one up this morning for 9.99 (already have one without the
>> quick release and I've taken to using one, along with a vice grip style hand clamp,
>> over all other methods).
>>
>> FWIW ...
>>
>
> That link states online only.
As I stated, I picked one up locally for the same price. It was included
in a "one day sale" email flyer from our local Rockler.
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C'mon guys ... the point of the PSA post is the ten buck price point
being a 54% savings off the usual retail of a useful item.
Just holding the damned thing in your hand will convince you that it's
worth ten bucks; and using as I described will convince you that it's
well worth the normal retail price if you do a fair amount of pocket
hole joinery.
As far as making one ... if I had to buy more than a few at retail,
maybe. For ten bucks, no way in hell ...
If there's any doubt, check the prices on a suitable clamp that will
exert the same necessary force, for starters.
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On 7/31/2012 4:36 PM, Rita and Neil Ward wrote:
> On 7/31/2012 5:26 PM, Leon wrote:
>> On 7/31/2012 4:04 PM, SonomaProducts.com wrote:
>>> On Tuesday, July 31, 2012 1:01:09 PM UTC-7, Swingman wrote:
>>>> http://www.rockler.com/product.cfm?page=30675 If you use pocket hole
>>>> joinery and have a Rockler near you, you might want to see if they're
>>>> running this in-store today. Stopped by and picked one up this
>>>> morning for 9.99 (already have one without the quick release and I've
>>>> taken to using one, along with a vice grip style hand clamp, over all
>>>> other methods). FWIW ... -- www.eWoodShop.com Last update: 4/15/2010
>>>> KarlCaillouet@ (the obvious) http://gplus.to/eWoodShop
>>>
>>> Do you suppose they are making any money at $9.99. I suppose yes. So
>>> normally $12.00 more seems a bit like a bit of gouging. I understand
>>> they are a specialty retailer so need to have bigger margins to cover
>>> the lower volumes and high cost of holding rare inventory for long
>>> periods but this confirms to me that their a bit out of line on
>>> pricing quite often.
>>>
>>> I have a lot of fun near my home where a Harbor Freight is 20 feet
>>> away fom Rockler.
>>>
>>
>> I have to say, if they are making money at $10, regular price at $12 is
>> not price gouging. They do have insurance, inventory, brick and mortar,
>> and employees to pay.
>
> You save $12.00 the regular price is $21.95.
Oops, thank you Rita!
"Mike M" wrote:
>
> How about a thank you for the heads up. I ordered 2 online. 60
> miles
> round trip into Seattle for me so $6.99 shipping is a no brainer.
> Out
> where I live in the foothills every peckerwood tourist drives 10-15
> mph under the speed limit so I would just as soon stay off the road.
> I know I could build one but for $9.99 I have to ask why?
----------------------------
Living 15 miles south of BumFuck has some costs along with the
advantages.
Lew
Mike M <[email protected]> wrote in
news:[email protected]:
>
> How about a thank you for the heads up. I ordered 2 online. 60 miles
> round trip into Seattle for me so $6.99 shipping is a no brainer. Out
> where I live in the foothills every peckerwood tourist drives 10-15
> mph under the speed limit so I would just as soon stay off the road.
> I know I could build one but for $9.99 I have to ask why?
>
> Mike M
I've been unimpressed by something's pricing and set out to build one of
my own several times. Occasionally, it works great. 30 minutes in the
shop and I've got a new tool/jig/whatever. More often than not, however,
it works out that I spend more time and money trying to copy something
than I would have if I had just bought the thing.
Never going to quit, however. The design part is fun and sometimes the
greater understanding from attempting to build one helps when using the
commercial version.
Still haven't decided if I want to copy the HF 1x30 belt sander to
"improve" it... I have one, but it would be nice to have something that's
easy to change belts on (that'll be the hardest part) and variable speed.
Oh well, I've got other things to do.
Puckdropper
--
Make it to fit, don't make it fit.
On Tue, 31 Jul 2012 16:26:40 -0500, Leon <lcb11211@swbelldotnet>
wrote:
>On 7/31/2012 4:04 PM, SonomaProducts.com wrote:
>> On Tuesday, July 31, 2012 1:01:09 PM UTC-7, Swingman wrote:
>>> http://www.rockler.com/product.cfm?page=30675 If you use pocket hole joinery and have a Rockler near you, you might want to see if they're running this in-store today. Stopped by and picked one up this morning for 9.99 (already have one without the quick release and I've taken to using one, along with a vice grip style hand clamp, over all other methods). FWIW ... -- www.eWoodShop.com Last update: 4/15/2010 KarlCaillouet@ (the obvious) http://gplus.to/eWoodShop
>>
>> Do you suppose they are making any money at $9.99. I suppose yes. So normally $12.00 more seems a bit like a bit of gouging. I understand they are a specialty retailer so need to have bigger margins to cover the lower volumes and high cost of holding rare inventory for long periods but this confirms to me that their a bit out of line on pricing quite often.
>>
>> I have a lot of fun near my home where a Harbor Freight is 20 feet away fom Rockler.
>>
>
>I have to say, if they are making money at $10, regular price at $12 is
>not price gouging. They do have insurance, inventory, brick and mortar,
>and employees to pay.
Regular price is $22, save $12, guys. And the $22 is gouging, IMnsHO.
Who do they think they are, Veritas? (sorry, Rob, but...)
I'd probably make my own (modify the head on a a quick-release clamp
like this? http://tinyurl.com/c3xjp2k ) vs. buying one at the regular
price.
>Seriously, I highly suspect that at $10 they are still making 500% mark
>up
Probably so.
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whereas I am merely in disguise.
-- Margaret Atwood
On 7/31/2012 10:39 PM, Swingman wrote:
> On 7/31/2012 9:34 PM, Puckdropper wrote:
>
>> I've been unimpressed by something's pricing and set out to build one of
>> my own several times. Occasionally, it works great. 30 minutes in the
>> shop and I've got a new tool/jig/whatever. More often than not, however,
>> it works out that I spend more time and money trying to copy something
>> than I would have if I had just bought the thing.
>>
>> Never going to quit, however. The design part is fun and sometimes the
>> greater understanding from attempting to build one helps when using the
>> commercial version.
>
> Agreed. But fun often has to take a back seat to meeting a deadline and
> paying the bills ...
>
Agreed on both accounts.
Now does anyone know what issue the box joint jig that they sell plans
to on the woodsmith site came from. The jig plans/parts have been out of
stock... been so for a long time, maybe time to see if I can get a back
issue to get the plan.
Cataract surgery went well yesterday, seeing things I haven't been able
to see in a long time. But I am having some wierd vision coming and
going, but also some peripheral that I am not used to. Feels wierd.
It'll be a few days before I get in front of a saw.. Just not feeling
confident yet. I'd like to get my vision stabilized or used to this new
feeling.
tiredofspam wrote:
>
> Cataract surgery went well yesterday, seeing things I haven't been
> able to see in a long time. But I am having some wierd vision coming
> and going, but also some peripheral that I am not used to. Feels
> wierd. It'll be a few days before I get in front of a saw.. Just not
> feeling confident yet. I'd like to get my vision stabilized or used
> to this new feeling.
Alright - I have never had caterac surgery, so I have to speak from a
platform of profound wisdom, instead of one from experience. That said - it
is really clear to me that like any other surgical procedure, the
therapeutic efforts after the fact have as much impact as the surgery
itself. So - I'll ask you - how many boobs are you looking at? Remember -
exercise is important! Are you merely taking passing glances, or are you
really working those eyes? Remember too, to work beyond your natural level
of comfort. In the words of that famous philosopher, Mick Jagger - "Too
much is never enough...". My recommendation is for you to get out there and
get that therapeutic excercise - it's required!
You are welcome! It's just the kind of thing that friends do for each
other...
--
-Mike-
[email protected]
On 7/31/2012 5:04 PM, SonomaProducts.com wrote:
> On Tuesday, July 31, 2012 1:01:09 PM UTC-7, Swingman wrote:
>> http://www.rockler.com/product.cfm?page=30675 If you use pocket hole joinery and have a Rockler near you, you might want to see if they're running this in-store today. Stopped by and picked one up this morning for 9.99 (already have one without the quick release and I've taken to using one, along with a vice grip style hand clamp, over all other methods). FWIW ... -- www.eWoodShop.com Last update: 4/15/2010 KarlCaillouet@ (the obvious) http://gplus.to/eWoodShop
>
> Do you suppose they are making any money at $9.99. I suppose yes. So normally $12.00 more seems a bit like a bit of gouging. I understand they are a specialty retailer so need to have bigger margins to cover the lower volumes and high cost of holding rare inventory for long periods but this confirms to me that their a bit out of line on pricing quite often.
>
> I have a lot of fun near my home where a Harbor Freight is 20 feet away fom Rockler.
>
You suck.
For me I have Woodcraft 1 hour away.
HF 1 hour away.
Just can't get there easily.
Rockler doesn't exist for me unless it's online.
On 8/1/2012 10:33 AM, tiredofspam wrote:
> On 7/31/2012 10:39 PM, Swingman wrote:
>> On 7/31/2012 9:34 PM, Puckdropper wrote:
>>
>>> I've been unimpressed by something's pricing and set out to build one of
>>> my own several times. Occasionally, it works great. 30 minutes in the
>>> shop and I've got a new tool/jig/whatever. More often than not,
>>> however,
>>> it works out that I spend more time and money trying to copy something
>>> than I would have if I had just bought the thing.
>>>
>>> Never going to quit, however. The design part is fun and sometimes the
>>> greater understanding from attempting to build one helps when using the
>>> commercial version.
>>
>> Agreed. But fun often has to take a back seat to meeting a deadline and
>> paying the bills ...
>>
>
> Agreed on both accounts.
>
> Now does anyone know what issue the box joint jig that they sell plans
> to on the woodsmith site came from. The jig plans/parts have been out of
> stock... been so for a long time, maybe time to see if I can get a back
> issue to get the plan.
>
> Cataract surgery went well yesterday, seeing things I haven't been able
> to see in a long time. But I am having some wierd vision coming and
> going, but also some peripheral that I am not used to. Feels wierd.
> It'll be a few days before I get in front of a saw.. Just not feeling
> confident yet. I'd like to get my vision stabilized or used to this new
> feeling.
>
Good to hear! Getting use to seeing more is kinda weird. I have had
glasses since I was 7. About 20 years ago I tried contacts and my
peripheral vision became much better as you are experiencing. Not only
seeing things in focus through your glasses is a bit distracting. You
will get used to it. IIRC I only noticed all the other stuff in focus
for 3 or 4 days then it became business as usual.
Think of it as no longer having tunnel vision.
On 7/31/2012 8:50 PM, -MIKE- wrote:
> On 7/31/12 7:38 PM, Swingman wrote:
>> On 7/31/2012 7:32 PM, Mike M wrote:
>>> I know I could build one but for $9.99 I have to ask why?
>>
>> LOL ... precisely!
>>
>
> I built one and probably posted the pics, but that's when the thing was
> like 25 bucks.
IRC, it was closer to thirty, around 29.95, when it first came out.
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On 8/1/2012 1:07 PM, Mike Marlow wrote:
> tiredofspam wrote:
>> On 8/1/2012 11:44 AM, Mike Marlow wrote:
>>> tiredofspam wrote:
>>>
>>>>
>>>> Cataract surgery went well yesterday, seeing things I haven't been
>>>> able to see in a long time. But I am having some wierd vision coming
>>>> and going, but also some peripheral that I am not used to. Feels
>>>> wierd. It'll be a few days before I get in front of a saw.. Just not
>>>> feeling confident yet. I'd like to get my vision stabilized or used
>>>> to this new feeling.
>>>
>>> Alright - I have never had caterac surgery, so I have to speak from a
>>> platform of profound wisdom, instead of one from experience. That
>>> said - it is really clear to me that like any other surgical
>>> procedure, the therapeutic efforts after the fact have as much
>>> impact as the surgery itself. So - I'll ask you - how many boobs
>>> are you looking at?
>
>> Well if you were in front of me I would be looking at one boob.. :-0
>>
>
> Ohhhhhhhh... I predict a long recovery for you...
>
Well when you open the door...
Or stick your foot in your mouth...
On 7/31/2012 4:36 PM, Rita and Neil Ward wrote:
> On 7/31/2012 5:26 PM, Leon wrote:
>> On 7/31/2012 4:04 PM, SonomaProducts.com wrote:
>>> On Tuesday, July 31, 2012 1:01:09 PM UTC-7, Swingman wrote:
>>>> http://www.rockler.com/product.cfm?page=30675 If you use pocket hole
>>>> joinery and have a Rockler near you, you might want to see if they're
>>>> running this in-store today. Stopped by and picked one up this
>>>> morning for 9.99 (already have one without the quick release and I've
>>>> taken to using one, along with a vice grip style hand clamp, over all
>>>> other methods). FWIW ... -- www.eWoodShop.com Last update: 4/15/2010
>>>> KarlCaillouet@ (the obvious) http://gplus.to/eWoodShop
>>>
>>> Do you suppose they are making any money at $9.99. I suppose yes. So
>>> normally $12.00 more seems a bit like a bit of gouging. I understand
>>> they are a specialty retailer so need to have bigger margins to cover
>>> the lower volumes and high cost of holding rare inventory for long
>>> periods but this confirms to me that their a bit out of line on
>>> pricing quite often.
>>>
>>> I have a lot of fun near my home where a Harbor Freight is 20 feet
>>> away fom Rockler.
>>>
>>
>> I have to say, if they are making money at $10, regular price at $12 is
>> not price gouging. They do have insurance, inventory, brick and mortar,
>> and employees to pay.
>
> You save $12.00 the regular price is $21.95.
Oops, thank you Rita!
On 7/31/2012 4:26 PM, Leon wrote:
> On 7/31/2012 4:04 PM, SonomaProducts.com wrote:
>> On Tuesday, July 31, 2012 1:01:09 PM UTC-7, Swingman wrote:
>>> http://www.rockler.com/product.cfm?page=30675 If you use pocket hole
>>> joinery and have a Rockler near you, you might want to see if they're
>>> running this in-store today. Stopped by and picked one up this
>>> morning for 9.99 (already have one without the quick release and I've
>>> taken to using one, along with a vice grip style hand clamp, over all
>>> other methods). FWIW ... -- www.eWoodShop.com Last update: 4/15/2010
>>> KarlCaillouet@ (the obvious) http://gplus.to/eWoodShop
>>
>> Do you suppose they are making any money at $9.99. I suppose yes. So
>> normally $12.00 more seems a bit like a bit of gouging. I understand
>> they are a specialty retailer so need to have bigger margins to cover
>> the lower volumes and high cost of holding rare inventory for long
>> periods but this confirms to me that their a bit out of line on
>> pricing quite often.
>>
>> I have a lot of fun near my home where a Harbor Freight is 20 feet
>> away fom Rockler.
>>
>
> I have to say, if they are making money at $10, regular price at $12 is
> not price gouging. They do have insurance, inventory, brick and mortar,
> and employees to pay.
>
> Seriously, I highly suspect that at $10 they are still making 500% mark
> up and still not price gouging. You don't have to buy it, if it were
> something you could not live with out, then maybe price gouging.
Oooooooooooooops Nevermind. Still there is normally remarkably high
mark up on inexpensive products.
On Tuesday, July 31, 2012 1:01:09 PM UTC-7, Swingman wrote:
> http://www.rockler.com/product.cfm?page=3D30675 If you use pocket hole jo=
inery and have a Rockler near you, you might want to see if they're running=
this in-store today. Stopped by and picked one up this morning for 9.99 (a=
lready have one without the quick release and I've taken to using one, alon=
g with a vice grip style hand clamp, over all other methods). FWIW ... -- w=
ww.eWoodShop.com Last update: 4/15/2010 KarlCaillouet@ (the obvious) http:/=
/gplus.to/eWoodShop
Do you suppose they are making any money at $9.99. I suppose yes. So normal=
ly $12.00 more seems a bit like a bit of gouging. I understand they are a s=
pecialty retailer so need to have bigger margins to cover the lower volumes=
and high cost of holding rare inventory for long periods but this confirms=
to me that their a bit out of line on pricing quite often.
I have a lot of fun near my home where a Harbor Freight is 20 feet away fom=
Rockler.
On Wed, 01 Aug 2012 07:06:43 -0500, Leon <lcb11211@swbelldotnet>
wrote:
>On 7/31/2012 8:24 PM, Larry Jaques wrote:
>> On Tue, 31 Jul 2012 16:26:40 -0500, Leon <lcb11211@swbelldotnet>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> On 7/31/2012 4:04 PM, SonomaProducts.com wrote:
>>>> On Tuesday, July 31, 2012 1:01:09 PM UTC-7, Swingman wrote:
>>>>> http://www.rockler.com/product.cfm?page=30675 If you use pocket hole joinery and have a Rockler near you, you might want to see if they're running this in-store today. Stopped by and picked one up this morning for 9.99 (already have one without the quick release and I've taken to using one, along with a vice grip style hand clamp, over all other methods). FWIW ... -- www.eWoodShop.com Last update: 4/15/2010 KarlCaillouet@ (the obvious) http://gplus.to/eWoodShop
>>>>
>>>> Do you suppose they are making any money at $9.99. I suppose yes. So normally $12.00 more seems a bit like a bit of gouging. I understand they are a specialty retailer so need to have bigger margins to cover the lower volumes and high cost of holding rare inventory for long periods but this confirms to me that their a bit out of line on pricing quite often.
>>>>
>>>> I have a lot of fun near my home where a Harbor Freight is 20 feet away fom Rockler.
>>>>
>>>
>>> I have to say, if they are making money at $10, regular price at $12 is
>>> not price gouging. They do have insurance, inventory, brick and mortar,
>>> and employees to pay.
>>
>> Regular price is $22, save $12, guys. And the $22 is gouging, IMnsHO.
>> Who do they think they are, Veritas? (sorry, Rob, but...)
>
>What in the world does Veritas and or Rob have to do with anything???
Rob Lee, not Robatoy, silly.
>You might be shocked if you knew how much mark up there is on clothing.
>
>Bottled water??
>
>Those valve stems on you car wheels have at least 1,000 % mark up.
>
>Seriously the amount of profit made on a product has absolutely no
>effect on whether you should buy it or not. Can you afford it or not?
I make a concerted effort NOT to reward the folks who make windfall
profits on anything they sell, from gum on up to vehicles and homes.
Speaking of valve stems, I was starting to mow when I turned a corner
and the tractor didn't follow the steering wheel. Just about that time
I saw the left front tire come off the outside bead of the rim. <sigh>
It took me about ten minutes to go get the jack, a piece of rope, a
stick, fill the pig tank, grab a chuck and the valve stem key, and
hogtie the thing back into fullness of air. 5 minutes later, after
everything was ut away, I continued my mowing. Things ran a whole lot
smoother after that. ;)
--
Another belief of mine: that everyone else my age is an adult,
whereas I am merely in disguise.
-- Margaret Atwood
On 8/2/2012 1:48 PM, -MIKE- wrote:
>>
>> More than anything this clamp does not replace what you have so much as
>> give you more work room and eliminates a long heavier clamp. It puts
>> the pressure only where you need it.
>
> And it fits next to the screwdrivers.
>
>
Yeah!/ where did I put my screw drivers. LOL
It actually fits nicely in the Kreg box kit that holds the jigs, clamps,
and separate storage for screws on top.
[email protected] wrote:
> Which do you want more, the widget or the money?
Finally - someone who gets it! Go buy yourself a beer on me!
--
-Mike-
[email protected]
On 7/31/2012 5:26 PM, Leon wrote:
> On 7/31/2012 4:04 PM, SonomaProducts.com wrote:
>> On Tuesday, July 31, 2012 1:01:09 PM UTC-7, Swingman wrote:
>>> http://www.rockler.com/product.cfm?page=30675 If you use pocket hole
>>> joinery and have a Rockler near you, you might want to see if they're
>>> running this in-store today. Stopped by and picked one up this
>>> morning for 9.99 (already have one without the quick release and I've
>>> taken to using one, along with a vice grip style hand clamp, over all
>>> other methods). FWIW ... -- www.eWoodShop.com Last update: 4/15/2010
>>> KarlCaillouet@ (the obvious) http://gplus.to/eWoodShop
>>
>> Do you suppose they are making any money at $9.99. I suppose yes. So
>> normally $12.00 more seems a bit like a bit of gouging. I understand
>> they are a specialty retailer so need to have bigger margins to cover
>> the lower volumes and high cost of holding rare inventory for long
>> periods but this confirms to me that their a bit out of line on
>> pricing quite often.
>>
>> I have a lot of fun near my home where a Harbor Freight is 20 feet
>> away fom Rockler.
>>
>
> I have to say, if they are making money at $10, regular price at $12 is
> not price gouging. They do have insurance, inventory, brick and mortar,
> and employees to pay.
You save $12.00 the regular price is $21.95.
> Seriously, I highly suspect that at $10 they are still making 500% mark
> up and still not price gouging. You don't have to buy it, if it were
> something you could not live with out, then maybe price gouging.
On 8/2/2012 12:16 PM, Jack wrote:
> On 8/1/2012 2:29 PM, Edward A. Falk wrote:
>> In article <[email protected]>,
>> Swingman <[email protected]> wrote:
>>>
>>> http://www.rockler.com/product.cfm?page=30675
>>
>> Had me excited for a moment; I thought it was a jig. Turns out
>> that it's a clamp, and I'm not sure what it can do that my
>> existing pipe clamps can't do.
>
> Pipe clamps seem massive over kill for this job. I generally just hand
> hold my face frames against my saw fence and screw them together and
> they come out perfect every single time. Sometimes that's a little
> awkward so I bought the clamp. I can't fathom using a pipe clamp on a
> face frame for pocket holes? I bought this because it looks simple to
> use with the quick release and all. Haven't used it yet though.
>
More than anything this clamp does not replace what you have so much as
give you more work room and eliminates a long heavier clamp. It puts
the pressure only where you need it.
Mike Marlow wrote:
> tiredofspam wrote:
>
>>
>> Cataract surgery went well yesterday, seeing things I haven't been
>> able to see in a long time. But I am having some wierd vision coming
>> and going, but also some peripheral that I am not used to. Feels
>> wierd. It'll be a few days before I get in front of a saw.. Just not
>> feeling confident yet. I'd like to get my vision stabilized or used
>> to this new feeling.
>
> Alright - I have never had caterac surgery, so I have to speak from a
> platform of profound wisdom, instead of one from experience. That
> said - it is really clear to me that like any other surgical
> procedure, the therapeutic efforts after the fact have as much impact
> as the surgery itself. So - I'll ask you - how many boobs are you
> looking at? Remember - exercise is important! Are you merely taking
> passing glances, or are you really working those eyes? Remember too,
> to work beyond your natural level of comfort. In the words of that
> famous philosopher, Mick Jagger - "Too much is never enough...". My
> recommendation is for you to get out there and get that therapeutic
> excercise - it's required!
> You are welcome! It's just the kind of thing that friends do for each
> other...
BTW - nor have I ever had cataract surgery...
--
-Mike-
[email protected]
On Tuesday, July 31, 2012 2:24:10 PM UTC-7, Artemus wrote:
> "Swingman" <[email protected]> wrote in message news:HaOdnRdEm7wbpIXNnZ2dnUV=
[email protected]... > > http://www.rockler.com/product.cfm?page=3D306=
75 > > If you use pocket hole joinery and have a Rockler near you, you migh=
t want to see > if they're running this in-store today. > > Stopped by and =
picked one up this morning for 9.99 (already have one without the > quick r=
elease and I've taken to using one, along with a vice grip style hand clamp=
, > over all other methods). > > FWIW ... > That link states online only. I=
t seems to me that it would be trivial to make an equivalent device using a=
block of wood, a dowel, and a quick grip clamp. Replace the fixed jaw on t=
he clamp with the wood block which has the dowel inserted at the 15 degree =
angle. The result is a faster and easier to operate device than the Rockler=
one. Much cheaper too. Art
Actually had another thought also. I wonder if it will work well with my ma=
chine made pocket holes that are at 10 or 7 degrees?
tiredofspam wrote:
> On 8/1/2012 11:44 AM, Mike Marlow wrote:
>> tiredofspam wrote:
>>
>>>
>>> Cataract surgery went well yesterday, seeing things I haven't been
>>> able to see in a long time. But I am having some wierd vision coming
>>> and going, but also some peripheral that I am not used to. Feels
>>> wierd. It'll be a few days before I get in front of a saw.. Just not
>>> feeling confident yet. I'd like to get my vision stabilized or used
>>> to this new feeling.
>>
>> Alright - I have never had caterac surgery, so I have to speak from a
>> platform of profound wisdom, instead of one from experience. That
>> said - it is really clear to me that like any other surgical
>> procedure, the therapeutic efforts after the fact have as much
>> impact as the surgery itself. So - I'll ask you - how many boobs
>> are you looking at?
> Well if you were in front of me I would be looking at one boob.. :-0
>
Ohhhhhhhh... I predict a long recovery for you...
--
-Mike-
[email protected]
-MIKE- wrote:
>
> They guy who complains the loudest is usually the one complaining
> about a client not wanting to pay what he wants to charge for
> woodworking/carpentry. :-)
Preach it brother! They are also the ones to talk about how much "they" are
worth - for whatever reason they feel is important. The ones who are always
"unique"...
--
-Mike-
[email protected]
On Wed, 01 Aug 2012 07:06:43 -0500, Leon <lcb11211@swbelldotnet> wrote:
>On 7/31/2012 8:24 PM, Larry Jaques wrote:
>> On Tue, 31 Jul 2012 16:26:40 -0500, Leon <lcb11211@swbelldotnet>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> On 7/31/2012 4:04 PM, SonomaProducts.com wrote:
>>>> On Tuesday, July 31, 2012 1:01:09 PM UTC-7, Swingman wrote:
>>>>> http://www.rockler.com/product.cfm?page=30675 If you use pocket hole joinery and have a Rockler near you, you might want to see if they're running this in-store today. Stopped by and picked one up this morning for 9.99 (already have one without the quick release and I've taken to using one, along with a vice grip style hand clamp, over all other methods). FWIW ... -- www.eWoodShop.com Last update: 4/15/2010 KarlCaillouet@ (the obvious) http://gplus.to/eWoodShop
>>>>
>>>> Do you suppose they are making any money at $9.99. I suppose yes. So normally $12.00 more seems a bit like a bit of gouging. I understand they are a specialty retailer so need to have bigger margins to cover the lower volumes and high cost of holding rare inventory for long periods but this confirms to me that their a bit out of line on pricing quite often.
>>>>
>>>> I have a lot of fun near my home where a Harbor Freight is 20 feet away fom Rockler.
>>>>
>>>
>>> I have to say, if they are making money at $10, regular price at $12 is
>>> not price gouging. They do have insurance, inventory, brick and mortar,
>>> and employees to pay.
>>
>> Regular price is $22, save $12, guys. And the $22 is gouging, IMnsHO.
>> Who do they think they are, Veritas? (sorry, Rob, but...)
>
>What in the world does Veritas and or Rob have to do with anything???
>
>You might be shocked if you knew how much mark up there is on clothing.
>
>Bottled water??
>
>Those valve stems on you car wheels have at least 1,000 % mark up.
>
>Seriously the amount of profit made on a product has absolutely no
>effect on whether you should buy it or not. Can you afford it or not?
Afford?
Which do you want more, the widget or the money? That's the definition of
"worth". Both the purchaser and the seller agree on the "worth" and are happy
with the transaction (or it doesn't occur).
On 7/31/2012 4:04 PM, SonomaProducts.com wrote:
> On Tuesday, July 31, 2012 1:01:09 PM UTC-7, Swingman wrote:
>> http://www.rockler.com/product.cfm?page=30675 If you use pocket hole joinery and have a Rockler near you, you might want to see if they're running this in-store today. Stopped by and picked one up this morning for 9.99 (already have one without the quick release and I've taken to using one, along with a vice grip style hand clamp, over all other methods). FWIW ... -- www.eWoodShop.com Last update: 4/15/2010 KarlCaillouet@ (the obvious) http://gplus.to/eWoodShop
>
> Do you suppose they are making any money at $9.99. I suppose yes. So normally $12.00 more seems a bit like a bit of gouging. I understand they are a specialty retailer so need to have bigger margins to cover the lower volumes and high cost of holding rare inventory for long periods but this confirms to me that their a bit out of line on pricing quite often.
>
> I have a lot of fun near my home where a Harbor Freight is 20 feet away fom Rockler.
>
I have to say, if they are making money at $10, regular price at $12 is
not price gouging. They do have insurance, inventory, brick and mortar,
and employees to pay.
Seriously, I highly suspect that at $10 they are still making 500% mark
up and still not price gouging. You don't have to buy it, if it were
something you could not live with out, then maybe price gouging.
On 7/31/2012 8:24 PM, Larry Jaques wrote:
> On Tue, 31 Jul 2012 16:26:40 -0500, Leon <lcb11211@swbelldotnet>
> wrote:
>
>> On 7/31/2012 4:04 PM, SonomaProducts.com wrote:
>>> On Tuesday, July 31, 2012 1:01:09 PM UTC-7, Swingman wrote:
>>>> http://www.rockler.com/product.cfm?page=30675 If you use pocket hole joinery and have a Rockler near you, you might want to see if they're running this in-store today. Stopped by and picked one up this morning for 9.99 (already have one without the quick release and I've taken to using one, along with a vice grip style hand clamp, over all other methods). FWIW ... -- www.eWoodShop.com Last update: 4/15/2010 KarlCaillouet@ (the obvious) http://gplus.to/eWoodShop
>>>
>>> Do you suppose they are making any money at $9.99. I suppose yes. So normally $12.00 more seems a bit like a bit of gouging. I understand they are a specialty retailer so need to have bigger margins to cover the lower volumes and high cost of holding rare inventory for long periods but this confirms to me that their a bit out of line on pricing quite often.
>>>
>>> I have a lot of fun near my home where a Harbor Freight is 20 feet away fom Rockler.
>>>
>>
>> I have to say, if they are making money at $10, regular price at $12 is
>> not price gouging. They do have insurance, inventory, brick and mortar,
>> and employees to pay.
>
> Regular price is $22, save $12, guys. And the $22 is gouging, IMnsHO.
> Who do they think they are, Veritas? (sorry, Rob, but...)
What in the world does Veritas and or Rob have to do with anything???
You might be shocked if you knew how much mark up there is on clothing.
Bottled water??
Those valve stems on you car wheels have at least 1,000 % mark up.
Seriously the amount of profit made on a product has absolutely no
effect on whether you should buy it or not. Can you afford it or not?
>
On 7/31/12 3:01 PM, Swingman wrote:
>
> http://www.rockler.com/product.cfm?page=30675
>
> If you use pocket hole joinery and have a Rockler near you, you might
> want to see if they're running this in-store today.
>
> Stopped by and picked one up this morning for 9.99 (already have one
> without the quick release and I've taken to using one, along with a vice
> grip style hand clamp, over all other methods).
>
> FWIW ...
>
Both, together, work very well.
It seems like one without the other allows the seem to slip when the
screw enters, about every other time.
--
-MIKE-
"Playing is not something I do at night, it's my function in life"
--Elvin Jones (1927-2004)
--
http://mikedrums.com
[email protected]
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"Swingman" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
>
> http://www.rockler.com/product.cfm?page=30675
>
> If you use pocket hole joinery and have a Rockler near you, you might want to see
> if they're running this in-store today.
>
> Stopped by and picked one up this morning for 9.99 (already have one without the
> quick release and I've taken to using one, along with a vice grip style hand clamp,
> over all other methods).
>
> FWIW ...
>
That link states online only.
It seems to me that it would be trivial to make an equivalent device
using a block of wood, a dowel, and a quick grip clamp. Replace
the fixed jaw on the clamp with the wood block which has the dowel
inserted at the 15 degree angle. The result is a faster and easier to
operate device than the Rockler one. Much cheaper too.
Art
On 7/31/12 7:38 PM, Swingman wrote:
> On 7/31/2012 7:32 PM, Mike M wrote:
>> I know I could build one but for $9.99 I have to ask why?
>
> LOL ... precisely!
>
I built one and probably posted the pics, but that's when the thing was
like 25 bucks.
--
-MIKE-
"Playing is not something I do at night, it's my function in life"
--Elvin Jones (1927-2004)
--
http://mikedrums.com
[email protected]
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On 7/31/12 9:24 PM, Swingman wrote:
> On 7/31/2012 8:50 PM, -MIKE- wrote:
>> On 7/31/12 7:38 PM, Swingman wrote:
>>> On 7/31/2012 7:32 PM, Mike M wrote:
>>>> I know I could build one but for $9.99 I have to ask why?
>>>
>>> LOL ... precisely!
>>>
>>
>> I built one and probably posted the pics, but that's when the thing was
>> like 25 bucks.
>
> IRC, it was closer to thirty, around 29.95, when it first came out.
>
I think you're right.... and on sale for 19, maybe.
--
-MIKE-
"Playing is not something I do at night, it's my function in life"
--Elvin Jones (1927-2004)
--
http://mikedrums.com
[email protected]
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On 8/1/12 7:06 AM, Leon wrote:
> On 7/31/2012 8:24 PM, Larry Jaques wrote:
>> On Tue, 31 Jul 2012 16:26:40 -0500, Leon <lcb11211@swbelldotnet>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> On 7/31/2012 4:04 PM, SonomaProducts.com wrote:
>>>> On Tuesday, July 31, 2012 1:01:09 PM UTC-7, Swingman wrote:
>>>>> http://www.rockler.com/product.cfm?page=30675 If you use pocket
>>>>> hole joinery and have a Rockler near you, you might want to see if
>>>>> they're running this in-store today. Stopped by and picked one up
>>>>> this morning for 9.99 (already have one without the quick release
>>>>> and I've taken to using one, along with a vice grip style hand
>>>>> clamp, over all other methods). FWIW ... -- www.eWoodShop.com Last
>>>>> update: 4/15/2010 KarlCaillouet@ (the obvious)
>>>>> http://gplus.to/eWoodShop
>>>>
>>>> Do you suppose they are making any money at $9.99. I suppose yes. So
>>>> normally $12.00 more seems a bit like a bit of gouging. I understand
>>>> they are a specialty retailer so need to have bigger margins to
>>>> cover the lower volumes and high cost of holding rare inventory for
>>>> long periods but this confirms to me that their a bit out of line on
>>>> pricing quite often.
>>>>
>>>> I have a lot of fun near my home where a Harbor Freight is 20 feet
>>>> away fom Rockler.
>>>>
>>>
>>> I have to say, if they are making money at $10, regular price at $12 is
>>> not price gouging. They do have insurance, inventory, brick and mortar,
>>> and employees to pay.
>>
>> Regular price is $22, save $12, guys. And the $22 is gouging, IMnsHO.
>> Who do they think they are, Veritas? (sorry, Rob, but...)
>
> What in the world does Veritas and or Rob have to do with anything???
>
> You might be shocked if you knew how much mark up there is on clothing.
>
> Bottled water??
>
> Those valve stems on you car wheels have at least 1,000 % mark up.
>
> Seriously the amount of profit made on a product has absolutely no
> effect on whether you should buy it or not. Can you afford it or not?
>
It always cracks me up when someone says, "It probably only costs them
$X to make that and they're ripping us off by selling it for $XX!"
Since when does how much something costs have anything to do with what
is charged for it? If that clamp cost them more than $2 to make in
China, I'd be surprised. That is irrelevant.
They guy who complains the loudest is usually the one complaining about
a client not wanting to pay what he wants to charge for
woodworking/carpentry. :-)
--
-MIKE-
"Playing is not something I do at night, it's my function in life"
--Elvin Jones (1927-2004)
--
http://mikedrums.com
[email protected]
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In article <[email protected]>,
Swingman <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>http://www.rockler.com/product.cfm?page=30675
Had me excited for a moment; I thought it was a jig. Turns out
that it's a clamp, and I'm not sure what it can do that my
existing pipe clamps can't do.
--
-Ed Falk, [email protected]
http://thespamdiaries.blogspot.com/
On 8/1/12 1:29 PM, Edward A. Falk wrote:
> In article <[email protected]>,
> Swingman <[email protected]> wrote:
>>
>> http://www.rockler.com/product.cfm?page=30675
>
> Had me excited for a moment; I thought it was a jig. Turns out
> that it's a clamp, and I'm not sure what it can do that my
> existing pipe clamps can't do.
>
It self-aligns and holds the seem together without letting it slip
horizontally, much better than a pipe clamp. It also (especially with
the slip-nut upgrade) is much, much quicker than a pipe wrench. This
isn't a big deal if you have 4 pocket screws to drive, but if you have
25, 50, 250 and a deadline, this tool is invaluable and certainly *well*
worth ten bucks.
--
-MIKE-
"Playing is not something I do at night, it's my function in life"
--Elvin Jones (1927-2004)
--
http://mikedrums.com
[email protected]
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"Artemus" <[email protected]> wrote in message news:[email protected]...
>
> It seems to me that it would be trivial to make an equivalent device
> using a block of wood, a dowel, and a quick grip clamp. Replace
> the fixed jaw on the clamp with the wood block which has the dowel
> inserted at the 15 degree angle. The result is a faster and easier to
> operate device than the Rockler one. Much cheaper too.
> Art
>
In spite of the opinions to the contrary I knocked this one out in
about half an hour, including head scratching (design) time. It isn't
the prettiest thing but it works well and goes on or off the clamp in
a minute or two. Making 4 more would probably take less than an
hour.
http://www.flickr.com/photos/67743492@N07/sets/72157630862306460/
Art
On 8/1/12 8:49 PM, Artemus wrote:
> "Artemus" <[email protected]> wrote in message news:[email protected]...
>>
>> It seems to me that it would be trivial to make an equivalent device
>> using a block of wood, a dowel, and a quick grip clamp. Replace
>> the fixed jaw on the clamp with the wood block which has the dowel
>> inserted at the 15 degree angle. The result is a faster and easier to
>> operate device than the Rockler one. Much cheaper too.
>> Art
>>
>
> In spite of the opinions to the contrary I knocked this one out in
> about half an hour, including head scratching (design) time. It isn't
> the prettiest thing but it works well and goes on or off the clamp in
> a minute or two. Making 4 more would probably take less than an
> hour.
> http://www.flickr.com/photos/67743492@N07/sets/72157630862306460/
> Art
>
Make the piece on the right longer so that both piece being screwed
together are sitting on that same piece and it'll do what the Rockler
does.
--
-MIKE-
"Playing is not something I do at night, it's my function in life"
--Elvin Jones (1927-2004)
--
http://mikedrums.com
[email protected]
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On 7/31/2012 8:07 PM, Swingman wrote:
> C'mon guys ... the point of the PSA post is the ten buck price point
> being a 54% savings off the usual retail of a useful item.
>
> Just holding the damned thing in your hand will convince you that it's
> worth ten bucks; and using as I described will convince you that it's
> well worth the normal retail price if you do a fair amount of pocket
> hole joinery.
>
> As far as making one ... if I had to buy more than a few at retail,
> maybe. For ten bucks, no way in hell ...
>
> If there's any doubt, check the prices on a suitable clamp that will
> exert the same necessary force, for starters.
Interestingly, minutes before reading your initial post on this, I was
reading a Rockler ad for this product and thought about getting it, then
decided nah, I already have too much stuff I don't use/need.
Then, I read your post and said, what the heck, seemed like a good deal
and I do like pocket joints. I went out and bought it, and a glue
spreader. Both quality products and well worth the small price.
Thanks for the tip...
PS, I also bought a new CS, went with Makita 5007MG, not just on your
advice though, I put it in my hand before buying it via the net. Your
advice was in the mix though. It felt better than all the other saws,
but I did want a laser light on the sucker... Oh well.
--
Jack
Add Life to your Days not Days to your Life.
http://jbstein.com
On 8/1/2012 2:29 PM, Edward A. Falk wrote:
> In article <[email protected]>,
> Swingman <[email protected]> wrote:
>>
>> http://www.rockler.com/product.cfm?page=30675
>
> Had me excited for a moment; I thought it was a jig. Turns out
> that it's a clamp, and I'm not sure what it can do that my
> existing pipe clamps can't do.
Pipe clamps seem massive over kill for this job. I generally just hand
hold my face frames against my saw fence and screw them together and
they come out perfect every single time. Sometimes that's a little
awkward so I bought the clamp. I can't fathom using a pipe clamp on a
face frame for pocket holes? I bought this because it looks simple to
use with the quick release and all. Haven't used it yet though.
--
Jack
Add Life to your Days not Days to your Life.
http://jbstein.com
On 8/2/12 1:12 PM, Leon wrote:
> On 8/2/2012 12:16 PM, Jack wrote:
>> On 8/1/2012 2:29 PM, Edward A. Falk wrote:
>>> In article <[email protected]>,
>>> Swingman <[email protected]> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> http://www.rockler.com/product.cfm?page=30675
>>>
>>> Had me excited for a moment; I thought it was a jig. Turns out
>>> that it's a clamp, and I'm not sure what it can do that my
>>> existing pipe clamps can't do.
>>
>> Pipe clamps seem massive over kill for this job. I generally just hand
>> hold my face frames against my saw fence and screw them together and
>> they come out perfect every single time. Sometimes that's a little
>> awkward so I bought the clamp. I can't fathom using a pipe clamp on a
>> face frame for pocket holes? I bought this because it looks simple to
>> use with the quick release and all. Haven't used it yet though.
>>
>
>
> More than anything this clamp does not replace what you have so much as
> give you more work room and eliminates a long heavier clamp. It puts
> the pressure only where you need it.
And it fits next to the screwdrivers.
--
-MIKE-
"Playing is not something I do at night, it's my function in life"
--Elvin Jones (1927-2004)
--
http://mikedrums.com
[email protected]
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"-MIKE-" <[email protected]> wrote in message news:[email protected]...
> On 8/1/12 8:49 PM, Artemus wrote:
>> "Artemus" <[email protected]> wrote in message news:[email protected]...
>>>
>>> It seems to me that it would be trivial to make an equivalent device
>>> using a block of wood, a dowel, and a quick grip clamp. Replace
>>> the fixed jaw on the clamp with the wood block which has the dowel
>>> inserted at the 15 degree angle. The result is a faster and easier to
>>> operate device than the Rockler one. Much cheaper too.
>>> Art
>>>
>>
>> In spite of the opinions to the contrary I knocked this one out in
>> about half an hour, including head scratching (design) time. It isn't
>> the prettiest thing but it works well and goes on or off the clamp in
>> a minute or two. Making 4 more would probably take less than an
>> hour.
>> http://www.flickr.com/photos/67743492@N07/sets/72157630862306460/
>> Art
>>
>
> Make the piece on the right longer so that both piece being screwed together are
> sitting on that same piece and it'll do what the Rockler does.
>
> -MIKE-
>
Good point, I overlooked that.
Thanks.
Art
"Swingman" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> On 8/1/2012 8:49 PM, Artemus wrote:
>> In spite of the opinions to the contrary I knocked this one out in
>> about half an hour, including head scratching (design) time. It isn't
>> the prettiest thing but it works well and goes on or off the clamp in
>> a minute or two. Making 4 more would probably take less than an
>> hour.
>
> I certainly applaud your ingenuity, but my "opinions" on this issue were formulated
> having done literally thousands of pocket holes for hundreds of face frames, and
> from what I see in the pictures, it is doubtful that your current iteration would
> work consistently enough for what I do for two reasons:
>
> Two reference edges are ideal to keep the workpieces joined properly during the
> operation, one usually supplied by the work surface itself, and the other provided
> by the clamp, which the Rockler provides in spades.
>
> Your current iteration does not provide that ability, although it could if you do
> as Mike suggested.
>
> And, what I consider the insurmountable weak point of your design, having done that
> many pocket holes, and used many different clamping system when doing so, I still
> question whether a sufficient amount of clamping force to keep the pieces aligned
> when screwing them together can be appliqued using that type of clamp,
>
> The Rockler uses a screw type mechanism, which provides a tremendous amount of
> clamping pressure.
>
> Nicely done though, but for ten bucks I'd still opt for and buy the Rockler in a
> heartbeat rather than try to make one ... which and once again, and after all for
> the umpteenth time:
>
> **_was the purpose of my original post_** :)
>
> All that notwithstanding, and providing it works for you, well done!
>
Thank you.
Art
On 01 Aug 2012 02:34:06 GMT, Puckdropper
<puckdropper(at)yahoo(dot)com> wrote:
>Mike M <[email protected]> wrote in
>news:[email protected]:
>
>>
>> How about a thank you for the heads up. I ordered 2 online. 60 miles
>> round trip into Seattle for me so $6.99 shipping is a no brainer. Out
>> where I live in the foothills every peckerwood tourist drives 10-15
>> mph under the speed limit so I would just as soon stay off the road.
>> I know I could build one but for $9.99 I have to ask why?
>>
>> Mike M
>
>I've been unimpressed by something's pricing and set out to build one of
>my own several times. Occasionally, it works great. 30 minutes in the
>shop and I've got a new tool/jig/whatever. More often than not, however,
>it works out that I spend more time and money trying to copy something
>than I would have if I had just bought the thing.
<redfaced grin>
>Never going to quit, however. The design part is fun and sometimes the
>greater understanding from attempting to build one helps when using the
>commercial version.
Absolutely.
>Still haven't decided if I want to copy the HF 1x30 belt sander to
>"improve" it... I have one, but it would be nice to have something that's
>easy to change belts on (that'll be the hardest part) and variable speed.
>Oh well, I've got other things to do.
Nah. Just redesign the belt-changer for the existing sander. My Delter
1x30 is my most-used sander.
--
Another belief of mine: that everyone else my age is an adult,
whereas I am merely in disguise.
-- Margaret Atwood
On Tue, 31 Jul 2012 19:38:11 -0500, Swingman <[email protected]> wrote:
>On 7/31/2012 7:32 PM, Mike M wrote:
>> I know I could build one but for $9.99 I have to ask why?
>
>LOL ... precisely!
I have enough real projects going that I wish I could solve more of
them by throwing $10 at them.
Mike M
On Thu, 02 Aug 2012 13:12:26 -0500, Leon <lcb11211@swbelldotnet>
>More than anything this clamp does not replace what you have so much as
>give you more work room and eliminates a long heavier clamp. It puts
>the pressure only where you need it.
You're still talking about that little Kreg clamp right? What I liked
about it was that it seemed perfect for aligning the two pieces of
wood while putting the initial screw into an adjacent pocket hole.
Add onto that the relative pain of using long pipe or other types of
clamps and it seems a clear winner.
I'm seriously thinking of getting a buddy in the US to send me a pair.
On Tue, 31 Jul 2012 15:01:09 -0500, Swingman <[email protected]> wrote:
>http://www.rockler.com/product.cfm?page=30675
>If you use pocket hole joinery and have a Rockler near you, you might
>want to see if they're running this in-store today.
Just another reason why I wish the US border was a little closer.
Anybody seen a supplier for these up in Canada?
On 8/1/2012 8:49 PM, Artemus wrote:
> In spite of the opinions to the contrary I knocked this one out in
> about half an hour, including head scratching (design) time. It isn't
> the prettiest thing but it works well and goes on or off the clamp in
> a minute or two. Making 4 more would probably take less than an
> hour.
I certainly applaud your ingenuity, but my "opinions" on this issue were
formulated having done literally thousands of pocket holes for hundreds
of face frames, and from what I see in the pictures, it is doubtful that
your current iteration would work consistently enough for what I do for
two reasons:
Two reference edges are ideal to keep the workpieces joined properly
during the operation, one usually supplied by the work surface itself,
and the other provided by the clamp, which the Rockler provides in spades.
Your current iteration does not provide that ability, although it could
if you do as Mike suggested.
And, what I consider the insurmountable weak point of your design,
having done that many pocket holes, and used many different clamping
system when doing so, I still question whether a sufficient amount of
clamping force to keep the pieces aligned when screwing them together
can be appliqued using that type of clamp,
The Rockler uses a screw type mechanism, which provides a tremendous
amount of clamping pressure.
Nicely done though, but for ten bucks I'd still opt for and buy the
Rockler in a heartbeat rather than try to make one ... which and once
again, and after all for the umpteenth time:
**_was the purpose of my original post_** :)
All that notwithstanding, and providing it works for you, well done!
--
www.eWoodShop.com
Last update: 4/15/2010
KarlCaillouet@ (the obvious)
http://gplus.to/eWoodShop
On 7/31/2012 9:34 PM, Puckdropper wrote:
> I've been unimpressed by something's pricing and set out to build one of
> my own several times. Occasionally, it works great. 30 minutes in the
> shop and I've got a new tool/jig/whatever. More often than not, however,
> it works out that I spend more time and money trying to copy something
> than I would have if I had just bought the thing.
>
> Never going to quit, however. The design part is fun and sometimes the
> greater understanding from attempting to build one helps when using the
> commercial version.
Agreed. But fun often has to take a back seat to meeting a deadline and
paying the bills ...
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On Tue, 31 Jul 2012 19:07:15 -0500, Swingman <[email protected]> wrote:
>C'mon guys ... the point of the PSA post is the ten buck price point
>being a 54% savings off the usual retail of a useful item.
>
>Just holding the damned thing in your hand will convince you that it's
>worth ten bucks; and using as I described will convince you that it's
>well worth the normal retail price if you do a fair amount of pocket
>hole joinery.
>
>As far as making one ... if I had to buy more than a few at retail,
>maybe. For ten bucks, no way in hell ...
>
>If there's any doubt, check the prices on a suitable clamp that will
>exert the same necessary force, for starters.
How about a thank you for the heads up. I ordered 2 online. 60 miles
round trip into Seattle for me so $6.99 shipping is a no brainer. Out
where I live in the foothills every peckerwood tourist drives 10-15
mph under the speed limit so I would just as soon stay off the road.
I know I could build one but for $9.99 I have to ask why?
Mike M
On 8/1/2012 11:44 AM, Mike Marlow wrote:
> tiredofspam wrote:
>
>>
>> Cataract surgery went well yesterday, seeing things I haven't been
>> able to see in a long time. But I am having some wierd vision coming
>> and going, but also some peripheral that I am not used to. Feels
>> wierd. It'll be a few days before I get in front of a saw.. Just not
>> feeling confident yet. I'd like to get my vision stabilized or used
>> to this new feeling.
>
> Alright - I have never had caterac surgery, so I have to speak from a
> platform of profound wisdom, instead of one from experience. That said - it
> is really clear to me that like any other surgical procedure, the
> therapeutic efforts after the fact have as much impact as the surgery
> itself. So - I'll ask you - how many boobs are you looking at?
Well if you were in front of me I would be looking at one boob.. :-0
Remember -
> exercise is important! Are you merely taking passing glances, or are you
> really working those eyes? Remember too, to work beyond your natural level
> of comfort. In the words of that famous philosopher, Mick Jagger - "Too
> much is never enough...". My recommendation is for you to get out there and
> get that therapeutic excercise - it's required!
>
> You are welcome! It's just the kind of thing that friends do for each
> other...
>