Am really tired of my B&D sander, it is normally a 1/3 sheet machine
but because of the poorly designed paper clamp you have to cut the
sheet longer and then only get 2 cuts per sheet. Even then it is still
not very happy. Was in the local hardware store today to get some more
sandpaper and was eyeing the different orbital sanders. Seen a very
expensive Ryobi and an expensive (compared to B&D) Porter Cable, also
a Dewalt. I didnt jot down any model numbers but would be interested
in what models are being used out there and what is thought of them,
especially in the area of paper clamp. I guess i am going to have to
pay to get a good one. It would be nice to know ahead of time what
models are the best. I have payed extra for good tools before, but
never thought that a sander required so much thought, at least not
until i had to use it extensively. Some of the more expensive models
have a dust collector bag on them. Do they really work? Or is this
just for looks? I have a dust collector system now and am wondering if
some of them can be hooker up to it? or is this even feasible?
Ken, making dust in NS
Ken,
Which B&D sander are you using? How old is it?
I have one from 20 years ago that is still going....a 1/3 sheet. It
has a switch to select either straight line or orbital motion. No
dust collection buil-in, though there is a port on the side of the
unit for just such a purpose.
The paper doesn't hold well any more...spring tension is decreasing
with age. To fix this I use a small piece of the same grit paper
about 1/2 width and slide this under the clamp in the reverse
direction. That would be grit side to the clamp. This seems to help
hold the the paper on well.
I have been thinking of a new sander but the 1/3 sheet sanders are so
expensive.
Andy
NW New Jersey
On Tue, 07 Oct 2003 20:57:28 GMT, [email protected] wrote:
>Am really tired of my B&D sander, it is normally a 1/3 sheet machine
>but because of the poorly designed paper clamp you have to cut the
>sheet longer and then only get 2 cuts per sheet. Even then it is still
>not very happy. Was in the local hardware store today to get some more
>sandpaper and was eyeing the different orbital sanders. Seen a very
>expensive Ryobi and an expensive (compared to B&D) Porter Cable, also
>a Dewalt. I didnt jot down any model numbers but would be interested
>in what models are being used out there and what is thought of them,
>especially in the area of paper clamp. I guess i am going to have to
>pay to get a good one. It would be nice to know ahead of time what
>models are the best. I have payed extra for good tools before, but
>never thought that a sander required so much thought, at least not
>until i had to use it extensively. Some of the more expensive models
>have a dust collector bag on them. Do they really work? Or is this
>just for looks? I have a dust collector system now and am wondering if
>some of them can be hooker up to it? or is this even feasible?
>Ken, making dust in NS
[email protected] wrote:
> Am really tired of my B&D sander, it is normally a 1/3 sheet machine
> but because of the poorly designed paper clamp you have to cut the
I use self-adhesive paper on mine. The only way to get any life out of the
paper, because it's impossible to get the stuff mounted tightly enough to
keep from tearing it in half in short order.
I'm thinking about a new one too. This thing never has worked very well,
and it's LOUD.
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Some folks are down on them, but I have a Porter-Cable 333 random orbit sander
that I'm very happy with. Fine for anything I've used it for. Got it for $25
off eBay lightly used.
GTO(John)
>Am really tired of my B&D sander, it is normally a 1/3 sheet machine
>but because of the poorly designed paper clamp you have to cut the
>sheet longer and then only get 2 cuts per sheet. Even then it is still
>not very happy. Was in the local hardware store today to get some more
>sandpaper and was eyeing the different orbital sanders. Seen a very
>expensive Ryobi and an expensive (compared to B&D) Porter Cable, also
>a Dewalt. I didnt jot down any model numbers but would be interested
>in what models are being used out there and what is thought of them,
>especially in the area of paper clamp. I guess i am going to have to
>pay to get a good one. It would be nice to know ahead of time what
>models are the best. I have payed extra for good tools before, but
>never thought that a sander required so much thought, at least not
>until i had to use it extensively. Some of the more expensive models
>have a dust collector bag on them. Do they really work? Or is this
>just for looks? I have a dust collector system now and am wondering if
>some of them can be hooker up to it? or is this even feasible?
>Ken, making dust in NS
On 8 Oct 2003 03:47:27 -0700, [email protected] (BRuce) wrote:
>[email protected] wrote in message news:<[email protected]>...
>> Am really tired of my B&D sander, it is normally a 1/3 sheet machine
>> but because of the poorly designed paper clamp you have to cut the
>> sheet longer and then only get 2 cuts per sheet. Even then it is still
>> not very happy. Was in the local hardware store today to get some more
>> sandpaper and was eyeing the different orbital sanders. Seen a very
>> expensive Ryobi and an expensive (compared to B&D) Porter Cable, also
>> a Dewalt. I didnt jot down any model numbers but would be interested
>> in what models are being used out there and what is thought of them,
>> especially in the area of paper clamp. I guess i am going to have to
>> pay to get a good one. It would be nice to know ahead of time what
>> models are the best. I have payed extra for good tools before, but
>> never thought that a sander required so much thought, at least not
>> until i had to use it extensively. Some of the more expensive models
>> have a dust collector bag on them. Do they really work? Or is this
>> just for looks? I have a dust collector system now and am wondering if
>> some of them can be hooker up to it? or is this even feasible?
>> Ken, making dust in NS
>
>Get a new one with the dust collector bad. Why did you buy the cheap
>one anyway? What happened, people???? Quality used to mean something
>in this world. This world and more specifically this newsgroup is
>becoming overwhelmed with cheap assholes who are always trying to save
>a dollar or two and sacrifice quality.
I bought the cheap one because I had had cheap B&D ones before that
worked fine. My last B&D is still being used as a sanding block after
the motor gave up the ghost. So i bought another cheap one. I guess I
had never gave much thought to the workings of a sander. Only used
them for small jobs and therefore did not give much importance to
them. NOW i see it differently. If you have a recommendation i will
certainly look a it. I'M not cheap, I spent over $300 for my belt
sander.
Ken in NS
"BRuce" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
>
> Get a new one with the dust collector bad. Why did you buy the cheap
> one anyway? What happened, people???? Quality used to mean something
> in this world. This world and more specifically this newsgroup is
> becoming overwhelmed with cheap assholes who are always trying to save
> a dollar or two and sacrifice quality.
The entire country is going that way. That is why "made in China" is such a
common marking. Many, if not most, people say that they would pay more for
quality but when it comes down to it, no they won't. They'll just buy two
cheap ones and bitch that quality sucks these days.
[email protected] wrote in message news:<[email protected]>...
> Am really tired of my B&D sander, it is normally a 1/3 sheet machine
> but because of the poorly designed paper clamp you have to cut the
> sheet longer and then only get 2 cuts per sheet. Even then it is still
> not very happy. Was in the local hardware store today to get some more
> sandpaper and was eyeing the different orbital sanders. Seen a very
> expensive Ryobi and an expensive (compared to B&D) Porter Cable, also
> a Dewalt. I didnt jot down any model numbers but would be interested
> in what models are being used out there and what is thought of them,
> especially in the area of paper clamp. I guess i am going to have to
> pay to get a good one. It would be nice to know ahead of time what
> models are the best. I have payed extra for good tools before, but
> never thought that a sander required so much thought, at least not
> until i had to use it extensively. Some of the more expensive models
> have a dust collector bag on them. Do they really work? Or is this
> just for looks? I have a dust collector system now and am wondering if
> some of them can be hooker up to it? or is this even feasible?
> Ken, making dust in NS
Get a new one with the dust collector bad. Why did you buy the cheap
one anyway? What happened, people???? Quality used to mean something
in this world. This world and more specifically this newsgroup is
becoming overwhelmed with cheap assholes who are always trying to save
a dollar or two and sacrifice quality.
Hi Ken,
>If you have a recommendation i will
> certainly look a it. I'M not cheap, I spent over $300 for my belt
> sander.
What type of sander are you contemplating? Orbital or random orbital?
After using a 30+ year old orbital sander attachment for an AEG hammer
drill I decided to buy a Festool ROS - the ES 150/3. It's a great
tool, I really love it. Excellent design and ergonomics, well balanced
and low weight (you can use it very comfortably with one or two
hands), VS, hardly any vibrations (very important if you sand an
extended period of time), extremely smooth sanding operation and great
finish result, hook and loop (Festool calls it Stickfix) and the best
dust collection I can imagine.
> Some of the more expensive models
> have a dust collector bag on them. Do they really work? Or is this
> just for looks? I have a dust collector system now and am wondering if
> some of them can be hooker up to it? or is this even feasible?
The sander comes with a filter bag which works quite well but if
possible connect it to a vac. I have the Festool CT 22 vac (wet/dry
extraction, auto on/off, variable suction - very important when using
a vac attached to a sander) and have to admit that this combination is
hard to beat. It allows almost dust-free sanding.
Festool makes a couple of other ROS's too:
The Rotex: 6", unique 3in1 tool which combines preliminary sander,
fine sander and polisher
The ES 125: 5" palm grip model
The ES 150/5: same as the ES 150/3 but with a 5 mm stroke (the ES
150/3 has a 3 mm stroke).
From my experience with Festool I assume that their orbital sanders
are also great but I never used one of them.
You can check them out at
http://www.festool-usa.com/portando/index.cfm
All Festool's are very well made German high quality tools, built like
a tank, come in a systainer (stackable case), have a 30 days money
back guarantee and a 3 year guarantee.
There are some reviews on the web you might like to check out:
http://home.alliancecable.net/~woodworker/festool.html
http://www.cjohnhebert.com/Festoolsander.htm
http://www.woodshopdemos.com/men-fes.htm
http://benchmark.20m.com/tools/Festool/FestoolIndex.html
I can also recommend to check out the posts about Festool on SMC
http://www.sawmillcreek.org/
For example:
http://www.sawmillcreek.org/showthread.php?postid=25678
http://www.sawmillcreek.org/showthread.php?threadid=3839
http://www.sawmillcreek.org/showthread.php?threadid=3829
http://www.sawmillcreek.org/showthread.php?threadid=3136&highlight=dennis+fault
Feel free to email me for any specifics. I can also recommend to
contact Bob Marino who is hobby woodworker and Festool ISA. His email
address is [email protected] and he lives in NJ. Bob uses Festool's
himself, is very patient and friendly and would certainly be glad to
answer your questions.
Regards,
Christian Aufreiter, Austria
PS: I have no affiliation with Festool, I'm just a happy customer.