Bounced my favorite Lie Nielsen low angle (brass) block plane off the concr=
ete floor. Put a wonderful divit on the leading edge that will have to be f=
iled off becuase it actually impengies on the flat face maybe a 1/16th. I g=
uess I finally get to use that granite block and do some lapping this weeke=
nd. I use that little plane almost every day I am in the shop.
>"Larry Jaques" wrote in message
>news:[email protected]...
>
>On Wed, 9 Jan 2013 13:29:19 -0500, "John Grossbohlin"
><[email protected]> wrote:
>
>
>
>>>"SonomaProducts.com" wrote in message
>
>>I know your pain... My L-N 7 got knocked off the bench during a Boy Scout
>>project. Both the toe and heel suffered the same fate as your low angle...
>
>
>Did you write to Boy Scout Corporate HQ to see if their insurance
>would cover it? LNs ain't cheap.
This is a "donation..." ;~)
As it was, the Unit put up about half the money for materials and a friend
of mine, whom wishes to remain anonymous, put up the other half. I supplied
the labor, my shop, electric, and tool maintenance and repair. Wouldn't you
know it... during that project the magnetic switch on my cabinet saw died,
the lower tire on my bandsaw broke (apparently at the seam), a nail embedded
in the rough cut pine damaged a bunch of teeth on one of my Forrest blades,
and the plane hit the floor. It is what it is... the boys benefited, the
switch and tire probably would have failed on the next project anyway and
that isn't the first time I've hit something embedded in virgin rough cut
and I doubt if it will be the last.
John
>"Larry Jaques" wrote in message
>news:[email protected]...
>
>On Sun, 20 Jan 2013 17:57:08 -0500, "John Grossbohlin"
><[email protected]> wrote:
>>I finally was of a mind to examine the L-N 7 this afternoon after being
>>unwilling to do so for a good 6 maybe even 8 months. All I did after it
>>fell
>>was put the iron and cap iron back in place and note the damage to the toe
>>and heel. Anyhow, upon inspection I determined that the damage to the
>>body
>>was limited to the dents and that it was not twisted, cracked, or
>>otherwise
>>beyond repair. I made quick work of restoring functionality to the sole
>>with
>>a mill file and some 600 grit emery paper. The small steel adjuster part
>>that is screwed to the frog was bent and easily flattened with a brass
>>hammer on the anvil part of my vice. The chip breaker had moved on the
>>iron
>>so I took that off. While it was off I touched up the edge on my large
>>black
>>Arkansas bench stone and reinstalled the cap iron. It looks fine. I
>>reassembled the frog and adjusted it and the iron and did some testing.
>>All
>>seems OK even if there are some bright, but flat spots on the sole. There
>>are enough small scratches on the body from use that I'd anticipate things
>>will all blend in over time so nobody would ever know it was damaged. I
>>guess I'm lucky it landed on the sole and not the tote!
>
>Excellent news, John. That saves three mortgage payments, eh?
It sure seemed that way! ;~)
I think the worst part of fixing it was the notion of taking a file to an
L-N plane... Not sure why considering I've taken files and stones to other
relatively expensive items and haven't butchered anything (yet).
John
"John Grossbohlin" <[email protected]> wrote:
>> ... My L-N 7 got knocked off the bench during a Boy Scout >project. Both
>> the toe and heel suffered the same fate as your low angle... >It hit
>> hard enough that the iron and cap popped loose too. I have not had >the
>> heart to deal with it yet. The bench wasn't actually in use at the time
>> >but while materials were being moved around it got swept off the bench
>>> by >materials. I can only blame myself for not moving the tools off
>>> the bench >to a safer location... As a co-worker was fond of saying,
>>> "no good deed >goes unpunished." ;~)
> seems OK even if there are some bright, but flat spots on the sole. There
> are enough small scratches on the body from use that I'd anticipate
> things will all blend in over time so nobody would ever know it was
> damaged. I guess I'm lucky it landed on the sole and not the tote!>
> John
Appropriate to think of it as the "beauty mark", considered part of a
lovely woman's makeup, in the days when the plane was king ... ;)
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On Wednesday, January 9, 2013 10:52:40 AM UTC-6, SonomaProducts.com wrote:
> Bounced my favorite Lie Nielsen low angle (brass) block plane off the con=
crete floor. Put a wonderful divit on the leading edge that will have to be=
filed off becuase it actually impengies on the flat face maybe a 1/16th. I=
guess I finally get to use that granite block and do some lapping this wee=
kend. I use that little plane almost every day I am in the shop.
Ouch. My worst was when the stock miter gauge from my Delta TS took a dive =
and got knocked out of whack. Could not get it consistently square, so use=
d that as an excuse to get the Incra.
Larry
On 1/9/2013 3:23 PM, Swingman wrote:
> On 1/9/2013 3:14 PM, knuttle wrote:
>> Has any one tried to place a raised lip around their work bench to keep
>> things from accidentally rolling off?
>
> No way in hell that will work, as it effectively emasculates the work
> bench for most woodworking tasks that they're designed for.
>
> That said, many woodworking benches do have a tool "well" built into the
> surface that will certainly help keep an expensive tool from hitting a
> concrete floor.
>
I detest woodworking blogs with a passion, but case in point:
http://www.rpwoodwork.com/blog/2011/01/18/the-workbench-tool-well/
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On 1/9/2013 3:14 PM, knuttle wrote:
> Has any one tried to place a raised lip around their work bench to keep
> things from accidentally rolling off?
No way in hell that will work, as it effectively emasculates the work
bench for most woodworking tasks that they're designed for.
That said, many woodworking benches do have a tool "well" built into the
surface that will certainly help keep an expensive tool from hitting a
concrete floor.
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KarlCaillouet@ (the obvious)
On Thu, 10 Jan 2013 11:24:56 -0500, willshak <[email protected]>
>If I see it start to fall, I instinctively swing my foot under it to
>either catch it before it hits the floor or lessen the height before
>hitting.
>I gotta remember not to do that with tools that are more than a few
>pounds in weight.
That would suggest safety shoes with toe, metatarsal and sole
protection thrown in for good measure.
On Sun, 20 Jan 2013 17:57:08 -0500, "John Grossbohlin"
<[email protected]> wrote:
>
>>"John Grossbohlin" wrote in message
>>news:[email protected]...
>
>>>"SonomaProducts.com" wrote in message
>>>news:[email protected]...
>
>>>Bounced my favorite Lie Nielsen low angle (brass) block plane off the
>>>concrete floor. Put a wonderful divit on the leading edge that will have
>>>to be filed off becuase it >actually impengies on the flat face maybe a
>>>1/16th. I guess I finally get to use that granite block and do some
>>>lapping this weekend. I use that little plane almost every >day I am in
>>>the shop.
>
>>I know your pain... My L-N 7 got knocked off the bench during a Boy Scout
>>project. Both the toe and heel suffered the same fate as your low angle...
>>It hit hard enough that the iron and cap popped loose too. I have not had
>>the heart to deal with it yet. The bench wasn't actually in use at the time
>>but while materials were being moved around it got swept off the bench by
>>materials. I can only blame myself for not moving the tools off the bench
>>to a safer location... As a co-worker was fond of saying, "no good deed
>>goes unpunished." ;~)
>>
>
>I finally was of a mind to examine the L-N 7 this afternoon after being
>unwilling to do so for a good 6 maybe even 8 months. All I did after it fell
>was put the iron and cap iron back in place and note the damage to the toe
>and heel. Anyhow, upon inspection I determined that the damage to the body
>was limited to the dents and that it was not twisted, cracked, or otherwise
>beyond repair. I made quick work of restoring functionality to the sole with
>a mill file and some 600 grit emery paper. The small steel adjuster part
>that is screwed to the frog was bent and easily flattened with a brass
>hammer on the anvil part of my vice. The chip breaker had moved on the iron
>so I took that off. While it was off I touched up the edge on my large black
>Arkansas bench stone and reinstalled the cap iron. It looks fine. I
>reassembled the frog and adjusted it and the iron and did some testing. All
>seems OK even if there are some bright, but flat spots on the sole. There
>are enough small scratches on the body from use that I'd anticipate things
>will all blend in over time so nobody would ever know it was damaged. I
>guess I'm lucky it landed on the sole and not the tote!
Excellent news, John. That saves three mortgage payments, eh?
--
The problem with borrowing money from China is
that thirty minutes later, you feel broke again.
--Steve Bridges as Obama
On Wed, 9 Jan 2013 08:52:40 -0800 (PST), "SonomaProducts.com"
<[email protected]> wrote:
>Bounced my favorite Lie Nielsen low angle (brass) block plane off the concrete floor. Put a wonderful divit on the leading edge that will have to be filed off becuase it actually impengies on the flat face maybe a 1/16th. I guess I finally get to use that granite block and do some lapping this weekend. I use that little plane almost every day I am in the shop.
I have that same plane and use it every shop-day as well.
knuttle <[email protected]> wrote in
news:[email protected]:
>
> Has any one tried to place a raised lip around their work bench to
> keep things from accidentally rolling off?
My main bench was designed with clamping in mind. There's no way it would
work. However, on my secondary bench (mitersaw table), I've considered
adding a back so tools don't fall off the back.
Puckdropper
--
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On 1/20/2013 10:02 PM, John Grossbohlin wrote:
>> Excellent news, John. That saves three mortgage payments, eh?
>
> It sure seemed that way! ;~)
>
> I think the worst part of fixing it was the notion of taking a file to
> an L-N plane... Not sure why considering I've taken files and stones to
> other relatively expensive items and haven't butchered anything (yet).
Probably just due to the fact that the other expensive items were not
the epitome of perfection when first placed in your hands<g>
There is expensive and then there is L-N: expensive AND perfect
On Jan 10, 11:24=A0am, willshak <[email protected]> wrote:
> SonomaProducts.com wrote the following on 1/9/2013 2:19 PM (ET):
>
> > =A0I can only blame myself for not moving the tools off the bench to a =
safer location... As a co-worker was fond of saying, "no good deed goes unp=
unished." ;~) John
>
> > Yeah, one of the first shops I worked in had a rule that no power tool =
could be left on a bench. Anything with a cord had to left on the floor or =
stored on a shelf. They were fanatical about it. You could get fired for le=
aving any power tool on a bench.
>
> > I have always placed chisels far from any edge and used to be as carefu=
l with my planes. Only have to knock a chisel once and try to catch it... o=
uch. Just let it fall is safer but a bad angle and it is lots o grinding.
>
> If I see it start to fall, I instinctively swing my foot under it to
> either catch it before it hits the floor or lessen the height before
> hitting.
> I gotta remember not to do that with tools that are more than a few
> pounds in weight.
You'd be surprised how much a "light weight" 12" Jourgeson
F-clamp smarts when it hits your foot.
Doug Miller <[email protected]> wrote:
> woodchucker <[email protected]> wrote in
> news:[email protected]:
>
>> Its not the butchering, its the pain of having something that was
>> pristine and treasured now imperfect that bothered you. Been there...
>>
>> Once you get over it, it is actually a better tool, since you are not
>> afraid of dinging it again.
>
> Kinda like the first door ding on a new car....
+1 (easier than repeating by you beating to the punch)
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On Wed, 9 Jan 2013 13:29:19 -0500, "John Grossbohlin"
<[email protected]> wrote:
>
>
>>"SonomaProducts.com" wrote in message
>>news:[email protected]...
>
>>Bounced my favorite Lie Nielsen low angle (brass) block plane off the
>>concrete floor. Put a wonderful divit on the leading edge that will have to
>>be filed off becuase it >actually impengies on the flat face maybe a
>>1/16th. I guess I finally get to use that granite block and do some lapping
>>this weekend. I use that little plane almost every >day I am in the shop.
>
>I know your pain... My L-N 7 got knocked off the bench during a Boy Scout
>project. Both the toe and heel suffered the same fate as your low angle...
>It hit hard enough that the iron and cap popped loose too. I have not had
>the heart to deal with it yet. The bench wasn't actually in use at the time
>but while materials were being moved around it got swept off the bench by
>materials. I can only blame myself for not moving the tools off the bench
>to a safer location... As a co-worker was fond of saying, "no good deed
>goes unpunished." ;~)
Did you write to Boy Scout Corporate HQ to see if their insurance
would cover it? LNs ain't cheap.
--
I started out with nothing and
I still have most of it left!
--anon
I can only blame myself for not moving the tools off the bench to a safer location... As a co-worker was fond of saying, "no good deed goes unpunished." ;~) John
Yeah, one of the first shops I worked in had a rule that no power tool could be left on a bench. Anything with a cord had to left on the floor or stored on a shelf. They were fanatical about it. You could get fired for leaving any power tool on a bench.
I have always placed chisels far from any edge and used to be as careful with my planes. Only have to knock a chisel once and try to catch it... ouch. Just let it fall is safer but a bad angle and it is lots o grinding.
On Jan 9, 11:52=A0am, "SonomaProducts.com" <[email protected]> wrote:
> Bounced my favorite Lie Nielsen low angle (brass) block plane off the con=
crete floor. Put a wonderful divit on the leading edge that will have to be=
filed off becuase it actually impengies on the flat face maybe a 1/16th. I=
guess I finally get to use that granite block and do some lapping this wee=
kend. I use that little plane almost every day I am in the shop.
It'll still be flat, though. Cheapest prevention is to keep
it near the center of the bench.
"Gramp's shop" wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
On Wednesday, January 9, 2013 10:52:40 AM UTC-6, SonomaProducts.com wrote:
> >Bounced my favorite Lie Nielsen low angle (brass) block plane off the
> >concrete floor. Put a wonderful divit on > >the leading edge that will
> >have to be filed off becuase it actually impengies on the flat face maybe
> >a 1/16th. > >I guess I finally get to use that granite block and do some
> >lapping this weekend. I use that little plane almost > >every day I am in
> >the shop.
> >
>Ouch. My worst was when the stock miter gauge from my Delta TS took a dive
>and got knocked out of whack. >Could not get it consistently square, so
>used that as an excuse to get the Incra.
>
>Larry
You can only get away with that strategy for so long before it is questioned
by others with influence.... ;~)
John
>"SonomaProducts.com" wrote in message
>news:[email protected]...
>>I can only blame myself for not moving the tools off the bench to a safer
>>location... As a co-worker was fond of saying, "no good deed goes
>>unpunished." ;~) John
>Yeah, one of the first shops I worked in had a rule that no power tool
>could be left on a bench. Anything with a cord had to left on the floor or
>stored on a shelf. They >were fanatical about it. You could get fired for
>leaving any power tool on a bench.
>I have always placed chisels far from any edge and used to be as careful
>with my planes. Only have to knock a chisel once and try to catch it...
>ouch. Just let it fall is >safer but a bad angle and it is lots o grinding.
I'm generally much more careful about things like this... but due to the
project the shop was very cluttered and there wasn't much room to maneuver.
I recall that during one of my son's projects he accidently stabbed the
Record vice with my 1/2" chisel and broke a corner off the edge. A few days
later he dropped it and broke the other corner off. The chisel lost about
1/4" in length due to those two incidents. Oh well... I'd rather have the
boys learning and doing than spend much time worrying about the infrequent
accidental damage to my tools.
John
"woodchucker" wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
>On 1/20/2013 11:02 PM, John Grossbohlin wrote:
>
>
>> >"Larry Jaques" wrote in message
>> >news:[email protected]...
>>> Excellent news, John. That saves three mortgage payments, eh?
>
>> It sure seemed that way! ;~)
>
> >I think the worst part of fixing it was the notion of taking a file to
> >an L-N plane... Not sure why considering I've taken files and stones to
>> other relatively expensive items and haven't butchered anything (yet).
>
>> John
>
>
>
>Its not the butchering, its the pain of having something that was pristine
>and treasured now imperfect that bothered you. Been there...
>
>Once you get over it, it is actually a better tool, since you are not
>afraid of dinging it again.
I was like that with my first L-N plane... a 4. After that one I just used
them and let my kids use the stuff... planes, saws, etc. I figured out that
the kids are much more interested if they enjoy success. I recall the dull,
crappy old hand tools of my grandfather's that had been neglected and abused
by the time I got to them... from trying to use them I was of the mind that
you NEEDED power tools to do woodworking as hand tools were useless. ;~)
After my stint at Colonial Williamsburg I had a different opinion.
RE L-N stuff, I bought a 5 simply because my kids couldn't handle the 7 and
the York pitch 4 is all wrong for almost all planning--too specialized.
Funny thing about the 5 is it became my most used and favorite plane... even
if it was for the kids!
John
...whom has mastered the art of the sale.
"woodchucker" wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
>John, didn't you just replace that switch not too long ago, or needed
>info on wiring it???
>John, seems like too many things went wrong during their time there.
>Was there a little devil in the group?
>Let's see
>Forrest blade 134
>Switch 50-200
>Plane $425
>New tire $30
>you had a very expensive day....
The project took me about 220 hours spread over a number of months... Much
of it I worked on alone. It's the same switch as discussed about a year ago.
During the project before that it was giving me grief. Once I got into this
project it was worse. After cleaning it with contact cleaner, adjusting it,
etc. it still didn't work so I replaced it. The plane accident happened near
the end of the project.
As I recall the switch was $150 so yes it was an expensive project. However,
the tire and switch failures during the project were a coincidence. They
could have failed on the next project or the project after that... so they
don't count against the project! I believe I can fix the plane to full
function even if it doesn't have that "factory" look any more.
John
On 1/9/2013 4:14 PM, knuttle wrote:
> On 1/9/2013 2:19 PM, SonomaProducts.com wrote:
>> I can only blame myself for not moving the tools off the bench to a
>> safer location... As a co-worker was fond of saying, "no good deed
>> goes unpunished." ;~) John
>>
>> Yeah, one of the first shops I worked in had a rule that no power tool
>> could be left on a bench. Anything with a cord had to left on the
>> floor or stored on a shelf. They were fanatical about it. You could
>> get fired for leaving any power tool on a bench.
>>
>> I have always placed chisels far from any edge and used to be as
>> careful with my planes. Only have to knock a chisel once and try to
>> catch it... ouch. Just let it fall is safer but a bad angle and it is
>> lots o grinding.
>>
>
> Has any one tried to place a raised lip around their work bench to keep
> things from accidentally rolling off?
Why would you do that? How would you clamp something to your bench and
overhang the edge?
How would that stop something from going over. Imagine a 1/8 inch lip,
if you pushed enough the plane would roll over and go over anyway.
Same with a 1/2 lip. So what would be the point.
Wells are used on some benches. That might have helped, but not guaranteed.
--
Jeff
On 1/9/2013 11:52 AM, SonomaProducts.com wrote:
> Bounced my favorite Lie Nielsen low angle (brass) block plane off the concrete floor. Put a wonderful divit on the leading edge that will have to be filed off becuase it actually impengies on the flat face maybe a 1/16th. I guess I finally get to use that granite block and do some lapping this weekend. I use that little plane almost every day I am in the shop.
>
That's why I put commercial floor tiling in. In most cases my floor gets
the divot removed. not the tool.
I realize your shop is much bigger and too costly to tile, but maybe
work areas could get a ply underlayment.
Sorry for your loss.
BTW that tiling didn't help my Makita LS1013 from it's demise.. when I
dropped it down the stairs to the basement. Destroyed the casting, the
bars... total wreck.. and boy do I miss that Miter saw.. Huge table,
smooth glide. I have not purchased another yet. Looking too, but the
Kapex is too much... The glide looks nice, but is missing a laser.. not
that the laser is that valuable for fine work, but for rough cutting
lumber it would be nice.
--
Jeff
>"SonomaProducts.com" wrote in message
>news:[email protected]...
>Bounced my favorite Lie Nielsen low angle (brass) block plane off the
>concrete floor. Put a wonderful divit on the leading edge that will have to
>be filed off becuase it >actually impengies on the flat face maybe a
>1/16th. I guess I finally get to use that granite block and do some lapping
>this weekend. I use that little plane almost every >day I am in the shop.
I know your pain... My L-N 7 got knocked off the bench during a Boy Scout
project. Both the toe and heel suffered the same fate as your low angle...
It hit hard enough that the iron and cap popped loose too. I have not had
the heart to deal with it yet. The bench wasn't actually in use at the time
but while materials were being moved around it got swept off the bench by
materials. I can only blame myself for not moving the tools off the bench
to a safer location... As a co-worker was fond of saying, "no good deed
goes unpunished." ;~)
John
Larry Jaques <[email protected]> wrote in
news:[email protected]:
> On Sun, 20 Jan 2013 17:57:08 -0500, "John Grossbohlin"
> <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>>
>>>"John Grossbohlin" wrote in message
>>>news:[email protected]...
>>
>>>>"SonomaProducts.com" wrote in message
>>>>news:[email protected]...
>>
>>>>Bounced my favorite Lie Nielsen low angle (brass) block plane off
>>>>the concrete floor. Put a wonderful divit on the leading edge that
>>>>will have to be filed off becuase it >actually impengies on the flat
>>>>face maybe a 1/16th. I guess I finally get to use that granite block
>>>>and do some lapping this weekend. I use that little plane almost
>>>>every >day I am in the shop.
>>
>>>I know your pain... My L-N 7 got knocked off the bench during a Boy
>>>Scout project. Both the toe and heel suffered the same fate as your
>>>low angle... It hit hard enough that the iron and cap popped loose
>>>too. I have not had the heart to deal with it yet. The bench wasn't
>>>actually in use at the time but while materials were being moved
>>>around it got swept off the bench by materials. I can only blame
>>>myself for not moving the tools off the bench to a safer location...
>>>As a co-worker was fond of saying, "no good deed goes unpunished."
>>>;~)
>>>
>>
>>I finally was of a mind to examine the L-N 7 this afternoon after
>>being unwilling to do so for a good 6 maybe even 8 months. All I did
>>after it fell was put the iron and cap iron back in place and note the
>>damage to the toe and heel. Anyhow, upon inspection I determined that
>>the damage to the body was limited to the dents and that it was not
>>twisted, cracked, or otherwise beyond repair. I made quick work of
>>restoring functionality to the sole with a mill file and some 600 grit
>>emery paper. The small steel adjuster part that is screwed to the frog
>>was bent and easily flattened with a brass hammer on the anvil part of
>>my vice. The chip breaker had moved on the iron so I took that off.
>>While it was off I touched up the edge on my large black Arkansas
>>bench stone and reinstalled the cap iron. It looks fine. I reassembled
>>the frog and adjusted it and the iron and did some testing. All seems
>>OK even if there are some bright, but flat spots on the sole. There
>>are enough small scratches on the body from use that I'd anticipate
>>things will all blend in over time so nobody would ever know it was
>>damaged. I guess I'm lucky it landed on the sole and not the tote!
>
> Excellent news, John. That saves three mortgage payments, eh?
>
+1
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Han
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woodchucker <[email protected]> wrote in
news:[email protected]:
> Its not the butchering, its the pain of having something that was
> pristine and treasured now imperfect that bothered you. Been there...
>
> Once you get over it, it is actually a better tool, since you are not
> afraid of dinging it again.
Kinda like the first door ding on a new car....
On 1/21/2013 5:56 PM, John Grossbohlin wrote:
>
>
> "woodchucker" wrote in message
> news:[email protected]...
>
>> On 1/20/2013 11:02 PM, John Grossbohlin wrote:
>>
>>
>>> >"Larry Jaques" wrote in message
>>> >news:[email protected]...
>
>>>> Excellent news, John. That saves three mortgage payments, eh?
>>
>>> It sure seemed that way! ;~)
>>
>> >I think the worst part of fixing it was the notion of taking a file to
>> >an L-N plane... Not sure why considering I've taken files and stones to
>>> other relatively expensive items and haven't butchered anything (yet).
>>
>>> John
>>
>>
>>
>> Its not the butchering, its the pain of having something that was
>> pristine and treasured now imperfect that bothered you. Been there...
>>
>> Once you get over it, it is actually a better tool, since you are not
>> afraid of dinging it again.
>
> I was like that with my first L-N plane... a 4. After that one I just
> used them and let my kids use the stuff... planes, saws, etc. I figured
> out that the kids are much more interested if they enjoy success. I
> recall the dull, crappy old hand tools of my grandfather's that had been
> neglected and abused by the time I got to them... from trying to use
> them I was of the mind that you NEEDED power tools to do woodworking as
> hand tools were useless. ;~) After my stint at Colonial Williamsburg I
> had a different opinion.
>
> RE L-N stuff, I bought a 5 simply because my kids couldn't handle the 7
> and the York pitch 4 is all wrong for almost all planning--too
> specialized. Funny thing about the 5 is it became my most used and
> favorite plane... even if it was for the kids!
>
> John
> ...whom has mastered the art of the sale.
>
What's wrong with a 5?
As a matter of fact, my favorite plane is my #5, I have 2. One an old
refinished stanley and the other a veritas low angle, so I can change
the pitch of the blade at will.
I just finished today refinishing a 5 1/4 Junior Jack... that might
become a favorite too. I picked it up at a garage sale for $1 about 5
years ago. It was pretty badly rusted and was painted. It looks awesome
now, and works just as well. I wish I had a york pitched #4... ,
actually, I would like to find a 4 1/2... And like you I love working
with planes, the finish is just astounding when planed. Plus nice and
quiet. Don't get me wrong I love my power tools, but having really good
working planes makes it really nice.
--
Jeff
"John Grossbohlin" wrote in message
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>"Larry Jaques" wrote in message
>news:[email protected]...
>
>On Wed, 9 Jan 2013 13:29:19 -0500, "John Grossbohlin"
><[email protected]> wrote:
>
>
>
>>>"SonomaProducts.com" wrote in message
>
>>I know your pain... My L-N 7 got knocked off the bench during a Boy Scout
>>project. Both the toe and heel suffered the same fate as your low angle...
>
>
>Did you write to Boy Scout Corporate HQ to see if their insurance
>would cover it? LNs ain't cheap.
This is a "donation..." ;~)
As it was, the Unit put up about half the money for materials and a friend
of mine, whom wishes to remain anonymous, put up the other half. I supplied
the labor, my shop, electric, and tool maintenance and repair. Wouldn't you
know it... during that project the magnetic switch on my cabinet saw died,
the lower tire on my bandsaw broke (apparently at the seam), a nail embedded
in the rough cut pine damaged a bunch of teeth on one of my Forrest blades,
and the plane hit the floor. It is what it is... the boys benefited, the
switch and tire probably would have failed on the next project anyway and
that isn't the first time I've hit something embedded in virgin rough cut
and I doubt if it will be the last.
John
John.... Look at it this way. If you did not have any bad luck, you would
not have any luck at all. :>) Sorry, had to say it. ww
"Larry Jaques" wrote in message
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>On Wed, 9 Jan 2013 16:15:07 -0500, "John Grossbohlin"
><[email protected]> wrote:
>
>>>Did you write to Boy Scout Corporate HQ to see if their insurance
>>>would cover it? LNs ain't cheap.
>>
>>This is a "donation..." ;~)
>
>The meet was, but not the tool abuse. Oh, well. Just bondo the LN
>and be done with it, wot?
I am involved with fund raising for the local Boy Scout Council and attended
a Unit meeting last night where finances were discussed. From this I know
all too well that some things just need to be let go... In this case I see
no liability on anyone's part but my own and I'm rather confident that the
plane can be repaired to function properly. If not... I'll use my
grandfather's Millers Falls No 7 and, when there are enough nickels saved
up, buy a new L-N.
John
>"John Grossbohlin" wrote in message
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>>"SonomaProducts.com" wrote in message
>>news:[email protected]...
>>Bounced my favorite Lie Nielsen low angle (brass) block plane off the
>>concrete floor. Put a wonderful divit on the leading edge that will have
>>to be filed off becuase it >actually impengies on the flat face maybe a
>>1/16th. I guess I finally get to use that granite block and do some
>>lapping this weekend. I use that little plane almost every >day I am in
>>the shop.
>I know your pain... My L-N 7 got knocked off the bench during a Boy Scout
>project. Both the toe and heel suffered the same fate as your low angle...
>It hit hard enough that the iron and cap popped loose too. I have not had
>the heart to deal with it yet. The bench wasn't actually in use at the time
>but while materials were being moved around it got swept off the bench by
>materials. I can only blame myself for not moving the tools off the bench
>to a safer location... As a co-worker was fond of saying, "no good deed
>goes unpunished." ;~)
>
I finally was of a mind to examine the L-N 7 this afternoon after being
unwilling to do so for a good 6 maybe even 8 months. All I did after it fell
was put the iron and cap iron back in place and note the damage to the toe
and heel. Anyhow, upon inspection I determined that the damage to the body
was limited to the dents and that it was not twisted, cracked, or otherwise
beyond repair. I made quick work of restoring functionality to the sole with
a mill file and some 600 grit emery paper. The small steel adjuster part
that is screwed to the frog was bent and easily flattened with a brass
hammer on the anvil part of my vice. The chip breaker had moved on the iron
so I took that off. While it was off I touched up the edge on my large black
Arkansas bench stone and reinstalled the cap iron. It looks fine. I
reassembled the frog and adjusted it and the iron and did some testing. All
seems OK even if there are some bright, but flat spots on the sole. There
are enough small scratches on the body from use that I'd anticipate things
will all blend in over time so nobody would ever know it was damaged. I
guess I'm lucky it landed on the sole and not the tote!
John
> Has any one tried to place a raised lip around their work bench to keep =
things from accidentally rolling off?
Wouldn't work for me. I clamp stuff down to the table as a pretty standard =
course of work. Most every assembly. I do have one small section where I ha=
ve 2 vertical miter bar channels in the side of the table (it has a hard fa=
cia about 5" deep) and a board with locking knobs so I can slide it up and =
lock it to create an indexing edge when I want to line up items for assembl=
y. Not sure the descripton is understandable but I use it quite often.
On 1/9/2013 4:15 PM, John Grossbohlin wrote:
>> "Larry Jaques" wrote in message
>> news:[email protected]...
>>
>> On Wed, 9 Jan 2013 13:29:19 -0500, "John Grossbohlin"
>> <[email protected]> wrote:
>>
>>
>>
>>>> "SonomaProducts.com" wrote in message
>>
>>> I know your pain... My L-N 7 got knocked off the bench during a Boy
>>> Scout
>>> project. Both the toe and heel suffered the same fate as your low
>>> angle...
>>
>>
>> Did you write to Boy Scout Corporate HQ to see if their insurance
>> would cover it? LNs ain't cheap.
>
> This is a "donation..." ;~)
>
> As it was, the Unit put up about half the money for materials and a
> friend of mine, whom wishes to remain anonymous, put up the other half.
> I supplied the labor, my shop, electric, and tool maintenance and
> repair. Wouldn't you know it... during that project the magnetic switch
> on my cabinet saw died, the lower tire on my bandsaw broke (apparently
> at the seam), a nail embedded in the rough cut pine damaged a bunch of
> teeth on one of my Forrest blades, and the plane hit the floor. It is
> what it is... the boys benefited, the switch and tire probably would
> have failed on the next project anyway and that isn't the first time
> I've hit something embedded in virgin rough cut and I doubt if it will
> be the last.
>
> John
John, didn't you just replace that switch not too long ago, or needed
info on wiring it???
John, seems like too many things went wrong during their time there.
Was there a little devil in the group?
Let's see
Forrest blade 134
Switch 50-200
Plane $425
New tire $30
you had a very expensive day....
--
Jeff
On 1/9/2013 2:19 PM, SonomaProducts.com wrote:
> I can only blame myself for not moving the tools off the bench to a safer location... As a co-worker was fond of saying, "no good deed goes unpunished." ;~) John
>
> Yeah, one of the first shops I worked in had a rule that no power tool could be left on a bench. Anything with a cord had to left on the floor or stored on a shelf. They were fanatical about it. You could get fired for leaving any power tool on a bench.
>
> I have always placed chisels far from any edge and used to be as careful with my planes. Only have to knock a chisel once and try to catch it... ouch. Just let it fall is safer but a bad angle and it is lots o grinding.
>
Has any one tried to place a raised lip around their work bench to keep
things from accidentally rolling off?
SonomaProducts.com wrote the following on 1/9/2013 2:19 PM (ET):
> I can only blame myself for not moving the tools off the bench to a safer location... As a co-worker was fond of saying, "no good deed goes unpunished." ;~) John
>
> Yeah, one of the first shops I worked in had a rule that no power tool could be left on a bench. Anything with a cord had to left on the floor or stored on a shelf. They were fanatical about it. You could get fired for leaving any power tool on a bench.
>
> I have always placed chisels far from any edge and used to be as careful with my planes. Only have to knock a chisel once and try to catch it... ouch. Just let it fall is safer but a bad angle and it is lots o grinding.
If I see it start to fall, I instinctively swing my foot under it to
either catch it before it hits the floor or lessen the height before
hitting.
I gotta remember not to do that with tools that are more than a few
pounds in weight.
--
Bill
In Hamptonburgh, NY
In the original Orange County. Est. 1683
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On Wed, 9 Jan 2013 16:15:07 -0500, "John Grossbohlin"
<[email protected]> wrote:
>>"Larry Jaques" wrote in message
>>news:[email protected]...
>>
>>On Wed, 9 Jan 2013 13:29:19 -0500, "John Grossbohlin"
>><[email protected]> wrote:
>>
>>
>>
>>>>"SonomaProducts.com" wrote in message
>>
>>>I know your pain... My L-N 7 got knocked off the bench during a Boy Scout
>>>project. Both the toe and heel suffered the same fate as your low angle...
>>
>>
>>Did you write to Boy Scout Corporate HQ to see if their insurance
>>would cover it? LNs ain't cheap.
>
>This is a "donation..." ;~)
The meet was, but not the tool abuse. Oh, well. Just bondo the LN
and be done with it, wot?
>As it was, the Unit put up about half the money for materials and a friend
>of mine, whom wishes to remain anonymous, put up the other half. I supplied
>the labor, my shop, electric, and tool maintenance and repair. Wouldn't you
>know it... during that project the magnetic switch on my cabinet saw died,
>the lower tire on my bandsaw broke (apparently at the seam), a nail embedded
>in the rough cut pine damaged a bunch of teeth on one of my Forrest blades,
>and the plane hit the floor. It is what it is... the boys benefited, the
>switch and tire probably would have failed on the next project anyway and
>that isn't the first time I've hit something embedded in virgin rough cut
>and I doubt if it will be the last.
Ouch! Um, I'd be certain to never again volunteer my shop for
anything, John. You have serious karma issues. <titter>
--
I started out with nothing and
I still have most of it left!
--anon
On 1/9/2013 12:29 PM, John Grossbohlin wrote:
> I know your pain... My L-N 7 got knocked off the bench during a Boy
> Scout project. Both the toe and heel suffered the same fate as your low
> angle... It hit hard enough that the iron and cap popped loose too. I
> have not had the heart to deal with it yet.
Throughout 99% of the long history of planes, when they were indeed the
indispensable, exalted king tool of the wood shop, there was no such
thing as a concrete floor, or a 'garage shop' with one ... ;)
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On 1/20/2013 11:02 PM, John Grossbohlin wrote:
>
>
>> "Larry Jaques" wrote in message
>> news:[email protected]...
>>
>> On Sun, 20 Jan 2013 17:57:08 -0500, "John Grossbohlin"
>> <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>>> I finally was of a mind to examine the L-N 7 this afternoon after being
>>> unwilling to do so for a good 6 maybe even 8 months. All I did after
>>> it fell
>>> was put the iron and cap iron back in place and note the damage to
>>> the toe
>>> and heel. Anyhow, upon inspection I determined that the damage to
>>> the body
>>> was limited to the dents and that it was not twisted, cracked, or
>>> otherwise
>>> beyond repair. I made quick work of restoring functionality to the
>>> sole with
>>> a mill file and some 600 grit emery paper. The small steel adjuster part
>>> that is screwed to the frog was bent and easily flattened with a brass
>>> hammer on the anvil part of my vice. The chip breaker had moved on
>>> the iron
>>> so I took that off. While it was off I touched up the edge on my
>>> large black
>>> Arkansas bench stone and reinstalled the cap iron. It looks fine. I
>>> reassembled the frog and adjusted it and the iron and did some
>>> testing. All
>>> seems OK even if there are some bright, but flat spots on the sole.
>>> There
>>> are enough small scratches on the body from use that I'd anticipate
>>> things
>>> will all blend in over time so nobody would ever know it was damaged. I
>>> guess I'm lucky it landed on the sole and not the tote!
>>
>> Excellent news, John. That saves three mortgage payments, eh?
>
> It sure seemed that way! ;~)
>
> I think the worst part of fixing it was the notion of taking a file to
> an L-N plane... Not sure why considering I've taken files and stones to
> other relatively expensive items and haven't butchered anything (yet).
>
> John
>
>
Its not the butchering, its the pain of having something that was
pristine and treasured now imperfect that bothered you. Been there...
Once you get over it, it is actually a better tool, since you are not
afraid of dinging it again.
--
Jeff