Watched this earlier in the evening. Celtic type harp apparently,
about 4-5 foot tall, I think, wasn't paying much attention to the size,
was engrossed in watching the buy make it. He's a lot better than
either Norm OR Roy, he only took a few minutes to make it, not a half
an hour. LOL
I knew the basics of marking a harp, but all the plywood used in it
really surprised me. Not that I mind, plywood has long fascinaed me,
just seing it used like that in making such a really nice harp was a
surprise. By the way, for all you guys that put som much time in
picking out the perfect finish, the finish kinda surprised me too.
Varnish. That's it, nothing exotic at all. They didn't say what brand
or anything, but I would imagine it's a quality brand. But apparently
that's all that was used - and lovely looking it was too. So looks like
some of you guys need to lighten up on your finish wes.
Very intersting show. I'd highly recommend watching if you have
the opportunity. A week ago they show how wooden recorders are made.
Not kiddy toys, but big buck high quality ones. Neat.
JOAT
Custom philosophizing done. No job too small; must be indoor work, with
no heavy lifting.
On Mar 22, 4:54 pm, Carlin <[email protected]> wrote:
> [email protected] (J T) wrote
>
> > was engrossed in watching the buy make it. He's a lot better than
> > either Norm OR Roy, he only took a few minutes to make it, not a half
> > an hour. LOL
>
> Hey, that's an exaggerated claim! It takes them 23 minutes... (hmm, maybe
> 21, I forgot to discount for the intro and finish segments...)
H.I.M. shows three, sometimes four, things being made. The harp was
probably 6-7 minutes. They may have edited the tape, but I'm not
sure. ;)
R
J T wrote:
> Thu, Mar 22, 2007, 3:04pm (EDT-3) [email protected] (RicodJour)
> doth sayeth:
> H.I.M. shows three, sometimes four, things being made. The harp was
> probably 6-7 minutes. They may have edited the tape, but I'm not sure.
> ;)
>
> Nah, they didn't edit the tape, they have an announcer, so the guy
> doesn't wast any time talking.
>
>
>
> JOAT
> Custom philosophizing done. No job too small; must be indoor work, with
> no heavy lifting.
>
>
>
Hey JT, being Irish (all year!) I'd be interested in seeing this ... got
a link or other sort of pointer to it?
Bill
--
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is worth (much) unless backed up with enough genuine information to make
him really know what he's talking about.
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J T wrote:
> Thu, Mar 22, 2007, 9:45pm [email protected] (Bill in Detroit) doth
> declareth:
> Hey JT, being Irish (all year!) I'd be interested in seeing this ... got
> a link or other sort of pointer to it?
>
> best i can say is, it's on the Discovery Channel. Being Irish
> myself, all year long with the exceptiton of St Patrick's Day, I'm
> considering Irish war pipes.
>
The pipes send 'em there, the harp makes 'em glad they came. ;-)
I was at a jazz concert last summer and there was a lady plucking away
at a great harp (and a smaller one, too, by turns) while a fella worked
away on a penny whistle and the rest of the band all chimed in on
something or the other. Great fun.
Bill
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Fri, Mar 23, 2007, 7:00pm [email protected] (Bill=A0in=A0Detroit) doth
sayeth:
<dnip> I was at a jazz concert last summer and there was a lady plucking
away at a great harp (and a smaller one, too, by turns) <snip>
I've watched Celtic Woman a number of times. One of the singers is
a concert harpist I believe is the term, and normally plays at least
once per performance, on a big harp. Great singing, and they include a
very attractive lady who plays rrish fiddle, and who I understand was
the Irish champion several times.
JOAT
Custom philosophizing done. No job too small; must be indoor work, with
no heavy lifting.
Thu, Mar 22, 2007, 9:45pm [email protected] (Bill=A0in=A0Detroit) doth
declareth:
Hey JT, being Irish (all year!) I'd be interested in seeing this ... got
a link or other sort of pointer to it?
best i can say is, it's on the Discovery Channel. Being Irish
myself, all year long with the exceptiton of St Patrick's Day, I'm
considering Irish war pipes.
JOAT
Custom philosophizing done. No job too small; must be indoor work, with
no heavy lifting.
Thu, Mar 22, 2007, 3:04pm (EDT-3) [email protected] (RicodJour)
doth sayeth:
H.I.M. shows three, sometimes four, things being made. The harp was
probably 6-7 minutes. They may have edited the tape, but I'm not sure.
;)
Nah, they didn't edit the tape, they have an announcer, so the guy
doesn't wast any time talking.
JOAT
Custom philosophizing done. No job too small; must be indoor work, with
no heavy lifting.
On Mar 23, 4:14 pm, "Joe AutoDrill" <[email protected]> wrote:
> "J T" <[email protected]> wrote in message
>
> news:[email protected]...
>
>
>
> > Watched this earlier in the evening. Celtic type harp apparently,
> > about 4-5 foot tall, I think, wasn't paying much attention to the size,
> > was engrossed in watching the buy make it. He's a lot better than
> > either Norm OR Roy, he only took a few minutes to make it, not a half
> > an hour. LOL
>
> > I knew the basics of marking a harp, but all the plywood used in it
> > really surprised me. Not that I mind, plywood has long fascinaed me,
> > just seing it used like that in making such a really nice harp was a
> > surprise.
Materials can be overrated. Ovation makes guitars with fiberglass
bodies which can potentially sound very nice. I've made flutes from
copper and PVC. The PVC usually sounds better.
> > By the way, for all you guys that put som much time in
> > picking out the perfect finish, the finish kinda surprised me too.
> > Varnish. That's it, nothing exotic at all. They didn't say what brand
> > or anything, but I would imagine it's a quality brand. But apparently
> > that's all that was used - and lovely looking it was too. So looks like
> > some of you guys need to lighten up on your finish wes.
Likely spirit varnish, same stuff they use on violins, which _can_ be
cooked up from exotic ingredients like amber or copal.
> > Very intersting show. I'd highly recommend watching if you have
> > the opportunity. A week ago they show how wooden recorders are made.
> > Not kiddy toys, but big buck high quality ones. Neat.
>
> I was REALLY looking forward to the harp episode because I recently quoted a
> product to a harp maker... All those holes they drill for the pins and
> tightening dohickys (?!?) are done automatically or by hand depending on the
> shop.
Tapered pegs, with square posts so a wrench can grab them. I've seen
six-spindle turrets specifically for drilling guitar headstocks.
> I recently quoted a multiple spindle drilling head to do all the holes at
> once, on that nice contour... I hope I get the job so I can ask for a
> sample harp. <grin>
>
> It was amazing to see just how everything was assembled too. They use a
> wood glue that they claim is dry in 1/2 hour?!? I need to find myself some
> of that the next time I'm doing a repair job so I don't have to clamp, sleep
> and then unclamp.
Doesn't hide glue dry as soon as it's cool? It remains choice for
luthiery because it doesn't creep under string tension. Has a few
other tricks; wide soundboards can be joined without clamps by simply
rubbing two narrower glued boards together until the glue
solidifies.
On Mar 23, 10:22 pm, [email protected] (J T) wrote:
> Fri, Mar 23, 2007, 4:40pm (EDT-3) [email protected]
> (Father Haskell) doth sayeth
> Materials can be overrated. Ovation makes guitars with fiberglass bodies
> which can potentially sound very nice. <snp>
>
> I don't know about that. I'd a lot rather make a wooden boat than
> a figreglass boat. I'd a lot rather own a wood guitar too. Fibreglass
> is just 'stuff', but wood is wood.
It doesn't matter if all people hear is a recording.
On Mar 28, 5:52 pm, Jedd Haas <[email protected]> wrote:
> In article <[email protected]>,
> Mike Hartigan <[email protected]> wrote:
>
> > In article <[email protected]>,
> > [email protected] says...
> > > Fri, Mar 23, 2007, 4:40pm (EDT-3) [email protected]
> > > (Father Haskell) doth sayeth
> > > Materials can be overrated. Ovation makes guitars with fiberglass bodies
Just a guess - you once lost a "Battle of the Bands" to a band that
used an Ovation as a lead instrument, right?
On Mar 29, 7:47 am, [email protected] wrote:
> On Mar 28, 5:52 pm, Jedd Haas <[email protected]> wrote:
>
> > In article <[email protected]>,
> > Mike Hartigan <[email protected]> wrote:
>
> > > In article <[email protected]>,
> > > [email protected] says...
> > > > Fri, Mar 23, 2007, 4:40pm (EDT-3) [email protected]
> > > > (Father Haskell) doth sayeth
> > > > Materials can be overrated. Ovation makes guitars with fiberglass bodies
>
> Just a guess - you once lost a "Battle of the Bands" to a band that
> used an Ovation as a lead instrument, right?
That was actually a response to Jedd's 'crap' comment. Evidently, I
was a bit too aggressive in my snipping.
Fri, Mar 23, 2007, 4:40pm (EDT-3) [email protected]
(Father=A0Haskell) doth sayeth
Materials can be overrated. Ovation makes guitars with fiberglass bodies
which can potentially sound very nice. <snp>
I don't know about that. I'd a lot rather make a wooden boat than
a figreglass boat. I'd a lot rather own a wood guitar too. Fibreglass
is just 'stuff', but wood is wood.
JOAT
Custom philosophizing done. No job too small; must be indoor work, with
no heavy lifting.
In article <[email protected]>,=20
[email protected] says...
> Fri, Mar 23, 2007, 4:40pm (EDT-3) [email protected]
> (Father=A0Haskell) doth sayeth
> Materials can be overrated. Ovation makes guitars with fiberglass bodies
> which can potentially sound very nice. <snp>
>=20
> I don't know about that. I'd a lot rather make a wooden boat than
> a figreglass boat. I'd a lot rather own a wood guitar too. Fibreglass
> is just 'stuff', but wood is wood.
You'd be amazed at the incredible music that has been coming out of=20
Ovation's 'plastic' guitars over the past 40 years or so. (I don't=20
think it's fiberglass, but it sure ain't wood.) Actually, the tops -=20
generally considered to be the most important acoustic component -=20
are still made from wood. Just the backs and sides that are plastic. =20
It's bowl shaped, so it's one piece.
On Mar 28, 2:02 pm, "Swingman" <[email protected]> wrote:
> "J T" wrote in message
> >The quality of the
> >music depends on the musician, whatever the instrument is made from. I
> >may have to put in my powertools music CD when I drive to town today.
>
> Bingo! ... From firsthand experience/observation, Itzhak Perlman can make an
> early 20th century Montgomery Ward "student violin" sound like an 18th
> century Cremona instrument.
>
> Or, as guitarist Tony Rice aptly puts it when remarking upon a similar
> discussion: "The tone is ultimately in the hands (of the player)".
Indeed! While a true master can finesse the Pieta from a lowly lump
of rock, or a symphony from a long neck Schlitz bottle, mere mortals
need the crutch of good acoustic tone. To that end, the 'plastic'
body of an Ovation is not lacking, IMO.
Wed, Mar 28, 2007, 11:21am (EDT-3) [email protected] doth sayeth:
Indeed! While a true master can finesse the Pieta from a lowly lump of
rock, or a symphony from a long neck Schlitz bottle, mere mortals need
the crutch of good acoustic tone. To that end, the 'plastic' body of an
Ovation is not lacking, IMO.
For my trip to town today listened to my CD, Power Tool Classics.
Nothing quite listing In The Hall Of The Mountain Kink, or Ride Of The
Valkyries, WITH power tools. I skipped the ce cream tho, and bought a
pack of bananana (I know how to spell it, I'm just not sure where to
stop) flavored popsicles instead.
I's sure a music connysewer such as yourself will truely appreciate
this site.
http://cigarboxguitars.com/workshops/How_To_Build_A_CBG.php
JOAT
Custom philosophizing done. No job too small; must be indoor work, with
no heavy lifting.
Wed, Mar 28, 2007, 6:37am (EDT-1) [email protected]
(Mike=A0Hartigan) doth sayeth:
You'd be amazed at the incredible music that has been coming out of
Ovation's 'plastic' guitars over the past 40 years or so. (I don't think
it's fiberglass, but it sure ain't wood.) Actually, the tops - generally
considered to be the most important acoustic component - are still made
from wood. Just the backs and sides that are plastic. It's bowl shaped,
so it's one piece.
And there's an aluminum violin in th HenryFord Greenfield museum
that's supposed to have a very good sign.
Here's a partial quote of what I said'
"I'd a lot rather make a wooden boat than a figreglass boat. I'd a lot
rather own a wood guitar too."
You guys seem to be missing the point. "I" do not want to make a
guitar, or a boat, out of anything but wood. If someone else wants to
make either from anything other than wood, that is teir choice. As far
as listening to music, I don't care what the instrument is made from -
it would seem that some of you have apparently never heard of, or heard,
a gut-bucket bass, or other homemade instruments. The quality of the
music depends on the musician, whatever the instrument is made from. I
may have to put in my powertools music CD when I drive to town today.
JOAT
Custom philosophizing done. No job too small; must be indoor work, with
no heavy lifting.
<[email protected]> wrote in message
> Indeed! While a true master can finesse the Pieta from a lowly lump
> of rock, or a symphony from a long neck Schlitz bottle, mere mortals
> need the crutch of good acoustic tone. To that end, the 'plastic'
> body of an Ovation is not lacking, IMO.
To take that one further, and as one who made a good deal of his living in
years past getting an "acoustic guitar sound" worthy of recording in the
studio, an Ovation is one of the easiest guitars to mic and get a nice
acoustic sound quickly and without a lot of fuss ... AAMOF. they will often
sound better miced than the most expensive of Martins, which are generally
difficult to mic without much fussing with mic placement and EQ.
The term "Hammered dog shit" comes immediately to mind when you plug one in,
though! ;)
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"J T" wrote in message
>The quality of the
>music depends on the musician, whatever the instrument is made from. I
>may have to put in my powertools music CD when I drive to town today.
Bingo! ... From firsthand experience/observation, Itzhak Perlman can make an
early 20th century Montgomery Ward "student violin" sound like an 18th
century Cremona instrument.
Or, as guitarist Tony Rice aptly puts it when remarking upon a similar
discussion: "The tone is ultimately in the hands (of the player)".
--
www.e-woodshop.net
Last update: 2/20/07
In article <[email protected]>,
Mike Hartigan <[email protected]> wrote:
> In article <[email protected]>,
> [email protected] says...
> > Fri, Mar 23, 2007, 4:40pm (EDT-3) [email protected]
> > (Father Haskell) doth sayeth
> > Materials can be overrated. Ovation makes guitars with fiberglass bodies
> > which can potentially sound very nice. <snp>
Unfortunately, Ovations sound like crap.
--
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>> I was REALLY looking forward to the harp episode because I recently
>> quoted a
>> product to a harp maker... All those holes they drill for the pins and
>> tightening dohickys (?!?) are done automatically or by hand depending on
>> the
>> shop.
>
> Tapered pegs, with square posts so a wrench can grab them. I've seen
> six-spindle turrets specifically for drilling guitar headstocks.
I'll send photos of just such a multiple spindle drilling head I made about
2 years ago if anyone wants to see one close up... Sorta... :)
Shoot me an e-mail or I'll post it up somewhere for all to view.
Regards,
Joe Agro, Jr.
(800) 871-5022
01.908.542.0244
Automatic / Pneumatic Drills: http://www.AutoDrill.com
Multiple Spindle Drills: http://www.Multi-Drill.com
V8013-R
"Joe AutoDrill" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:F8PNh.3643$xE.780@trnddc08...
>>> I was REALLY looking forward to the harp episode because I recently
>>> quoted a
>>> product to a harp maker... All those holes they drill for the pins and
>>> tightening dohickys (?!?) are done automatically or by hand depending on
>>> the
>>> shop.
>>
>> Tapered pegs, with square posts so a wrench can grab them. I've seen
>> six-spindle turrets specifically for drilling guitar headstocks.
>
> I'll send photos of just such a multiple spindle drilling head I made
> about 2 years ago if anyone wants to see one close up... Sorta... :)
>
> Shoot me an e-mail or I'll post it up somewhere for all to view.
>
Actually, made a PDF and put it up on yousendit... Will be there for a few
days. Seven from today according to them...
http://download.yousendit.com/F215121071082BBB
If it's not accessible, e-mail me directly for the PDF or JPEGs...
Regards,
Joe Agro, Jr.
(800) 871-5022
01.908.542.0244
Automatic / Pneumatic Drills: http://www.AutoDrill.com
Multiple Spindle Drills: http://www.Multi-Drill.com
V8013-R
"J T" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> Watched this earlier in the evening. Celtic type harp apparently,
> about 4-5 foot tall, I think, wasn't paying much attention to the size,
> was engrossed in watching the buy make it. He's a lot better than
> either Norm OR Roy, he only took a few minutes to make it, not a half
> an hour. LOL
>
> I knew the basics of marking a harp, but all the plywood used in it
> really surprised me. Not that I mind, plywood has long fascinaed me,
> just seing it used like that in making such a really nice harp was a
> surprise. By the way, for all you guys that put som much time in
> picking out the perfect finish, the finish kinda surprised me too.
> Varnish. That's it, nothing exotic at all. They didn't say what brand
> or anything, but I would imagine it's a quality brand. But apparently
> that's all that was used - and lovely looking it was too. So looks like
> some of you guys need to lighten up on your finish wes.
>
> Very intersting show. I'd highly recommend watching if you have
> the opportunity. A week ago they show how wooden recorders are made.
> Not kiddy toys, but big buck high quality ones. Neat.
I was REALLY looking forward to the harp episode because I recently quoted a
product to a harp maker... All those holes they drill for the pins and
tightening dohickys (?!?) are done automatically or by hand depending on the
shop.
I recently quoted a multiple spindle drilling head to do all the holes at
once, on that nice contour... I hope I get the job so I can ask for a
sample harp. <grin>
It was amazing to see just how everything was assembled too. They use a
wood glue that they claim is dry in 1/2 hour?!? I need to find myself some
of that the next time I'm doing a repair job so I don't have to clamp, sleep
and then unclamp.
Anyhow... Great show. I can't get enough of it. It has replaced
Mythbusters as my evening viewing favorite.
Regards,
Joe Agro, Jr.
(800) 871-5022
01.908.542.0244
Automatic / Pneumatic Drills: http://www.AutoDrill.com
Multiple Spindle Drills: http://www.Multi-Drill.com
V8013-R
Fri, Mar 23, 2007, 8:14pm (EDT+4) [email protected] (Joe=A0AutoDrill)
doth sayeth:
<snip> Anyhow... Great show. I can't get enough of it. It has replaced
Mythbusters as my evening viewing favorite.
Yep, very interesting show. I have rarely watched Mythbusters for
awhile now, not because How It's Made has replaced it, but because
Mythbusters just seems a bit silly n most cases. Durty Jobs now is
great entertainment.
JOAT
Custom philosophizing done. No job too small; must be indoor work, with
no heavy lifting.
[email protected] (J T) wrote in news:25505-46009C6D-1342@storefull-
3336.bay.webtv.net:
> was engrossed in watching the buy make it. He's a lot better than
> either Norm OR Roy, he only took a few minutes to make it, not a half
> an hour. LOL
>
Hey, that's an exaggerated claim! It takes them 23 minutes... (hmm, maybe
21, I forgot to discount for the intro and finish segments...)
-- Kurt