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"stryped"

13/09/2006 11:38 AM

Can I convert my router to hold 1/2 inch bits

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I have a Ryobi router my father bought me for Christmas. It uses 1/4
inch bits. Can it be converted to use 1/2 bits? The reason I am asking
is I would like to experiment with raised panel bits in my router table
but I have never been able to find them in 1/4 inch shank size.


This topic has 32 replies

TE

"The3rd Earl Of Derby"

in reply to "stryped" on 13/09/2006 11:38 AM

13/09/2006 8:05 PM

stryped wrote:
> x-no-archive:yes
>
> Is varible speed necessary?

Read and you shall be rewarded.

Section : Understanding routing
http://www.patwarner.com/

--
Sir Benjamin Middlethwaite


bb

"boorite"

in reply to "stryped" on 13/09/2006 11:38 AM

13/09/2006 12:07 PM


Tim W wrote:
> "stryped" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> news:[email protected]...
> > x-no-archive:yes
> >
> > I have a Ryobi router [...]. It uses 1/4
> > inch bits. Can it be converted to use 1/2 bits? [...]
>
> No

That's Jumpin' Jesus on a Pogo Stick No.

bb

"boorite"

in reply to "stryped" on 13/09/2006 11:38 AM

13/09/2006 12:20 PM


The3rd Earl Of Derby wrote:
> The3rd Earl Of Derby wrote:
>
> >
> > No you cant,however if you want raised panel bits for a 1/4" ebay
> >
> > http://tinyurl.co.uk/l2s0
>
> Here's another set if you want to buy now,rather than wait?
> http://tinyurl.co.uk/fhpf
> --
> Sir Benjamin Middlethwaite

Swinging a 2" diameter bit with 1/2" depth of cut on a 1/4" shank at
full speed with 1.5 hp... let us know how that goes.

bb

"boorite"

in reply to "stryped" on 13/09/2006 11:38 AM

13/09/2006 12:29 PM


boorite wrote:

> Swinging a 2" diameter bit with 1/2" depth of cut on a 1/4" shank at
> full speed with 1.5 hp... let us know how that goes.

Also, we'll be wanting to do that in red oak.

ss

"stryped"

in reply to "stryped" on 13/09/2006 11:38 AM

13/09/2006 12:41 PM

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Is varible speed necessary?
Toller wrote:
> "Tim W" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> news:[email protected]...
> >
> > "stryped" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> > news:[email protected]...
> >> x-no-archive:yes
> >>
> >> I have a Ryobi router [...]. It uses 1/4
> >> inch bits. Can it be converted to use 1/2 bits? [...]
> >
> > No
> >
> And it couldn't spin a raised panel bit anyhow; too wimpy and (probably) no
> variable speed.

ss

"stryped"

in reply to "stryped" on 13/09/2006 11:38 AM

13/09/2006 1:17 PM

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What is wrong with Red Oak?
boorite wrote:
> boorite wrote:
>
> > Swinging a 2" diameter bit with 1/2" depth of cut on a 1/4" shank at
> > full speed with 1.5 hp... let us know how that goes.
>
> Also, we'll be wanting to do that in red oak.

bb

"boorite"

in reply to "stryped" on 13/09/2006 11:38 AM

13/09/2006 1:41 PM


stryped wrote:
> x-no-archive:yes
>
> What is wrong with Red Oak?

For the purpose of swinging a 2" diameter panel-raising bit on a 1.5 hp
router, red oak is a bit on the hard side.

The good news: That burning smell is probably the wood.

The bad news: It is probably also the motor.

> boorite wrote:
> > boorite wrote:
> >
> > > Swinging a 2" diameter bit with 1/2" depth of cut on a 1/4" shank at
> > > full speed with 1.5 hp... let us know how that goes.
> >
> > Also, we'll be wanting to do that in red oak.

bb

"boorite"

in reply to "stryped" on 13/09/2006 11:38 AM

13/09/2006 2:19 PM


Rich wrote:
> >>
> >> What is wrong with Red Oak?
> >
> > It's red. Very negative color.
> >
> Unfortunately it won't be red enough to mask the blood when the bit breaks
> and shreds whatever part of your body it hits.

Unless the shank just keels over first.

I'm entirely too amused by this thread, BTW.

bb

"boorite"

in reply to "stryped" on 13/09/2006 11:38 AM

13/09/2006 3:55 PM


Frank Arthur wrote:
> The answer is yes. MLCS sells an adapter that allows 1/2" Router Bits in a
> 1/4"Collet.
> I would not reccomend it because the strain it would place on your routers
> bearings. The length of the adapter would cause much force against the
> bearings. If you do use it take light cuts.
> As far as the people who said it didn't exist thought just because they
> didn't know about the adapter no one would know. It's alled human folly.

Is it now? I think it's folly to suppose that MLCS or anyone sells such
a product. I think you've misread just slightly. If not, please tell us
what particular adapter lets you use a 1/2" shank in a 1/4" collet.

d

in reply to "stryped" on 13/09/2006 11:38 AM

13/09/2006 4:01 PM


boorite wrote:

>If not, please tell us
> what particular adapter lets you use a 1/2" shank in a 1/4" collet.

Oh, you can get these things alright. I mention them only to make it
quite plain that there's no earthly way I'd be in the same workshop as
one of them in use. I'd rather use a spindle moulder with a French
cutter in it.

> That's Jumpin' Jesus on a Pogo Stick No.

Probably not how I would have worded it, but I can't quibble with the
sentiment 8-)

bb

"boorite"

in reply to "stryped" on 13/09/2006 11:38 AM

13/09/2006 4:09 PM


[email protected] wrote:
> boorite wrote:
>
> >If not, please tell us
> > what particular adapter lets you use a 1/2" shank in a 1/4" collet.
>
> Oh, you can get these things alright. I mention them only to make it
> quite plain that there's no earthly way I'd be in the same workshop as
> one of them in use. I'd rather use a spindle moulder with a French
> cutter in it.

You've gotta be kidding. The only adapters I've seen at MLCS or
anywhere else are sleeves or extensions that enable a larger collet to
take a smaller shank. I can't think how it would even work in the
opposite direction. Do you have an example of one?

I'm with you. If these things do exist, I don't want them anywhere near
me.

Anyway, the OP's question was "can I do this," not "does a product
exist that falsely claims it can do this." I'd still say the answer is
"Jumpin' Jesus No!" :-D "Human folly" would be supposing otherwise.

AW

"A.M. Wood"

in reply to "stryped" on 13/09/2006 11:38 AM

14/09/2006 9:28 PM


Edwin Pawlowski wrote:

> All you need is to add this
> http://www.coastaltool.com/cgi-bin/SoftCart.exe/a/port/pr7538.htm?L+coastest+pzjq9814ff6e396e+1158249687

I've used this upgrade/adapter kit for the Ryobi router and it works
great with 1/2 inch bits.

Would recommend this to anyone.

Ll

"Locutus"

in reply to "stryped" on 13/09/2006 11:38 AM

13/09/2006 4:27 PM


"stryped" <[email protected]> wrote in message
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> x-no-archive:yes
>
> What is wrong with Red Oak?

It's red. Very negative color.

Ll

"Locutus"

in reply to "stryped" on 13/09/2006 11:38 AM

14/09/2006 10:35 AM


"dadiOH" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:JGdOg.9418$Rw2.198@trnddc02...
> stryped wrote:
>> x-no-archive:yes
>>
>> I have a Ryobi router my father bought me for Christmas. It uses 1/4
>> inch bits. Can it be converted to use 1/2 bits?
>
> That depends. Many routers are made to use either 1/4" or 1/2"
> collets...if your router is one of those and you merely lack the 1/2"
> collet, you can certainly buy one made for the router.
>
> If you are unsure, unscrew the collet retaining nut, remove the collet
> and measure the inside diameter of the cylinder into which the collet
> fits...does it measure considerably *over* 1/2"?
> ________________
>
>> The reason I am
>> asking is I would like to experiment with raised panel bits in my
>> router table but I have never been able to find them in 1/4 inch
>> shank size.
>
> I know of one made for that purpose - use it with some frequency - but
> don't recall where I got it at the moment. If I remember, I'll post
> the info. However, you don't need special bits to raise a panel...you
> can do it with straight bits, with cove bits, with ogee bits and
> others. All are available with 1/4" shanks.
>
> --

You can also make raised panels with your tablesaw.

Rh

"Rich"

in reply to "stryped" on 13/09/2006 11:38 AM

13/09/2006 9:07 PM


>>
>> What is wrong with Red Oak?
>
> It's red. Very negative color.
>
Unfortunately it won't be red enough to mask the blood when the bit breaks
and shreds whatever part of your body it hits.

Cc

"CW"

in reply to "stryped" on 13/09/2006 11:38 AM

15/09/2006 2:35 AM

Likely not one on the market but, easy enough to do. I could make you one in
about an hour. It sure wouldn't be a good thing to do.

"boorite" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> "does a product
> exist that falsely claims it can do this." I'd still say the answer is
> "Jumpin' Jesus No!" :-D "Human folly" would be supposing otherwise.
>

MD

"Morris Dovey"

in reply to "stryped" on 13/09/2006 11:38 AM

13/09/2006 6:47 PM

stryped (in [email protected])
said:

| I have a Ryobi router my father bought me for Christmas. It uses 1/4
| inch bits. Can it be converted to use 1/2 bits? The reason I am
| asking is I would like to experiment with raised panel bits in my
| router table but I have never been able to find them in 1/4 inch
| shank size.

That conversion would probably pose a serious risk of personal injury.
I strongly suggest you consider a more robust, more powerful router
with speed control for this kind of router table use. Of course, these
large bits should not be used for freehand routing.

--
Morris Dovey
DeSoto Solar
DeSoto, Iowa USA
http://www.iedu.com/DeSoto

TE

"The3rd Earl Of Derby"

in reply to "stryped" on 13/09/2006 11:38 AM

13/09/2006 7:08 PM

The3rd Earl Of Derby wrote:

>
> No you cant,however if you want raised panel bits for a 1/4" ebay
>
> http://tinyurl.co.uk/l2s0

Here's another set if you want to buy now,rather than wait?
http://tinyurl.co.uk/fhpf
--
Sir Benjamin Middlethwaite


dd

"dadiOH"

in reply to "stryped" on 13/09/2006 11:38 AM

14/09/2006 2:28 PM

stryped wrote:
> x-no-archive:yes
>
> I have a Ryobi router my father bought me for Christmas. It uses 1/4
> inch bits. Can it be converted to use 1/2 bits?

That depends. Many routers are made to use either 1/4" or 1/2"
collets...if your router is one of those and you merely lack the 1/2"
collet, you can certainly buy one made for the router.

If you are unsure, unscrew the collet retaining nut, remove the collet
and measure the inside diameter of the cylinder into which the collet
fits...does it measure considerably *over* 1/2"?
________________

> The reason I am
> asking is I would like to experiment with raised panel bits in my
> router table but I have never been able to find them in 1/4 inch
> shank size.

I know of one made for that purpose - use it with some frequency - but
don't recall where I got it at the moment. If I remember, I'll post
the info. However, you don't need special bits to raise a panel...you
can do it with straight bits, with cove bits, with ogee bits and
others. All are available with 1/4" shanks.

--

dadiOH
____________________________

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LP/cassette and tips & tricks on this and that.
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EP

"Edwin Pawlowski"

in reply to "stryped" on 13/09/2006 11:38 AM

15/09/2006 2:58 AM


"CW" <[email protected]> wrote in message
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> Sorry about that Toller. Guess I'm stuck in asshole mode today.
>

I always thought that was one of your finer traits :)

Cc

"CW"

in reply to "stryped" on 13/09/2006 11:38 AM

15/09/2006 2:31 AM

Sorry about that Toller. Guess I'm stuck in asshole mode today.

"CW" <[email protected]> wrote in message
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> And we all know that raised panel bits are the only ones with 1/2" shanks.
>
> "Toller" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> news:[email protected]...
> > >
> > And it couldn't spin a raised panel bit anyhow; too wimpy and (probably)
> no
> > variable speed.
> >
> >
>
>

TE

"The3rd Earl Of Derby"

in reply to "stryped" on 13/09/2006 11:38 AM

13/09/2006 7:38 PM

boorite wrote:
> The3rd Earl Of Derby wrote:
>> The3rd Earl Of Derby wrote:
>>
>>>
>>> No you cant,however if you want raised panel bits for a 1/4" ebay
>>>
>>> http://tinyurl.co.uk/l2s0
>>
>> Here's another set if you want to buy now,rather than wait?
>> http://tinyurl.co.uk/fhpf
>> --
>> Sir Benjamin Middlethwaite
>
> Swinging a 2" diameter bit with 1/2" depth of cut on a 1/4" shank at
> full speed with 1.5 hp... let us know how that goes.

What are you telling me for? tell the OP I just pointed out where to obtain
1/4" shaft RP bits.

--
Sir Benjamin Middlethwaite


TT

"Toller"

in reply to "stryped" on 13/09/2006 11:38 AM

13/09/2006 7:06 PM


"Tim W" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
>
> "stryped" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> news:[email protected]...
>> x-no-archive:yes
>>
>> I have a Ryobi router [...]. It uses 1/4
>> inch bits. Can it be converted to use 1/2 bits? [...]
>
> No
>
And it couldn't spin a raised panel bit anyhow; too wimpy and (probably) no
variable speed.

FA

"Frank Arthur"

in reply to "stryped" on 13/09/2006 11:38 AM

13/09/2006 6:06 PM

The answer is yes. MLCS sells an adapter that allows 1/2" Router Bits in a
1/4"Collet.
I would not reccomend it because the strain it would place on your routers
bearings. The length of the adapter would cause much force against the
bearings. If you do use it take light cuts.
As far as the people who said it didn't exist thought just because they
didn't know about the adapter no one would know. It's alled human folly.



"stryped" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> x-no-archive:yes
>
> I have a Ryobi router my father bought me for Christmas. It uses 1/4
> inch bits. Can it be converted to use 1/2 bits? The reason I am asking
> is I would like to experiment with raised panel bits in my router table
> but I have never been able to find them in 1/4 inch shank size.
>

l

in reply to "stryped" on 13/09/2006 11:38 AM

13/09/2006 10:23 PM

In article <[email protected]>,
Locutus <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>"stryped" <[email protected]> wrote in message
>news:[email protected]...
>> x-no-archive:yes
>>
>> What is wrong with Red Oak?
>
>It's red. Very negative color.
>
>

Yeah, read for "stop" or "danger"

Best to use green wood...
--

Larry Wasserman Baltimore, Maryland
[email protected]

RP

"R. Pierce Butler"

in reply to "stryped" on 13/09/2006 11:38 AM

13/09/2006 11:16 PM

"stryped" <[email protected]> wrote in
news:[email protected]:

> x-no-archive:yes
>
> Is varible speed necessary?

yes


> Toller wrote:
>> "Tim W" <[email protected]> wrote in message
>> news:[email protected]...
>> >
>> > "stryped" <[email protected]> wrote in message
>> > news:[email protected]...
>> >> x-no-archive:yes
>> >>
>> >> I have a Ryobi router [...]. It uses 1/4
>> >> inch bits. Can it be converted to use 1/2 bits? [...]
>> >
>> > No
>> >
>> And it couldn't spin a raised panel bit anyhow; too wimpy and
>> (probably) no variable speed.
>

TE

"The3rd Earl Of Derby"

in reply to "stryped" on 13/09/2006 11:38 AM

13/09/2006 6:46 PM

stryped wrote:
> x-no-archive:yes
>
> I have a Ryobi router my father bought me for Christmas. It uses 1/4
> inch bits. Can it be converted to use 1/2 bits? The reason I am asking
> is I would like to experiment with raised panel bits in my router
> table but I have never been able to find them in 1/4 inch shank size.

No you cant,however if you want raised panel bits for a 1/4" ebay

http://tinyurl.co.uk/l2s0

--
Sir Benjamin Middlethwaite


Uu

"Upscale"

in reply to "stryped" on 13/09/2006 11:38 AM

13/09/2006 9:36 PM

"boorite" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> You've gotta be kidding. The only adapters I've seen at MLCS or
> anywhere else are sleeves or extensions that enable a larger collet to
> take a smaller shank. I can't think how it would even work in the
> opposite direction. Do you have an example of one?

Looking at his picture sample, it looks like a simple extension, not a 1/4"
to 1/2" adapter.

Cc

"CW"

in reply to "stryped" on 13/09/2006 11:38 AM

15/09/2006 2:26 AM

And we all know that raised panel bits are the only ones with 1/2" shanks.

"Toller" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> >
> And it couldn't spin a raised panel bit anyhow; too wimpy and (probably)
no
> variable speed.
>
>

EP

"Edwin Pawlowski"

in reply to "stryped" on 13/09/2006 11:38 AM

14/09/2006 3:43 AM


"stryped" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> x-no-archive:yes
>
> I have a Ryobi router my father bought me for Christmas. It uses 1/4
> inch bits. Can it be converted to use 1/2 bits? The reason I am asking
> is I would like to experiment with raised panel bits in my router table
> but I have never been able to find them in 1/4 inch shank size.
>

All you need is to add this
http://www.coastaltool.com/cgi-bin/SoftCart.exe/a/port/pr7538.htm?L+coastest+pzjq9814ff6e396e+1158249687

TW

"Tim W"

in reply to "stryped" on 13/09/2006 11:38 AM

13/09/2006 6:36 PM


"stryped" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> x-no-archive:yes
>
> I have a Ryobi router [...]. It uses 1/4
> inch bits. Can it be converted to use 1/2 bits? [...]

No

DD

DJ Delorie

in reply to "stryped" on 13/09/2006 11:38 AM

13/09/2006 6:32 PM


"Frank Arthur" <[email protected]> writes:
> Use with 1/2" collet routers only.

Unfortunately, he doesn't have a 1/2" collet router:

> It uses 1/4 inch bits.


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