>There was an episode of "American Chopper" where one of the employees got
>his hand caught in a drill press. The cause was some loose string on the
>gloves he was wearing getting caught in the drill bit. Sucked his hand in
>quicker than anything and cut it up pretty good.
30 years ago a drill press caught me, but I was luckier. A long (metal) chip
whipped around and snagged the glove I was wearing. It *instantly* snatched the
glove right off my hand with tremendous force. It was like a magic trick. I can
still recall the feeling as I looked down at the glove spinning around the
table knowing that my hand should be in there.
--
Dennis
On Wed, 18 Apr 2007 18:55:53 GMT, "trs80" <[email protected]> wrote:
>Can someone point to sources online that document the safety issues of
>wearing gloves when using machinery or with woodworking power tools?
>thanks
>
It's not rocket science. Use gloves while you're lugging around your
lumber. Take them off while cutting on the tablesaw. Use a pushstick
and a featherboard.
a loose glove fed by itself isn't too good at illustrating real world
in-use conditions.
consider the blade slowed to near stalling by a bound board, like
right before a kickback. add to that the glove being held stretched a
bit by your sweaty hands in contact with the wood and the potential
for unpredictable behavior from the objects in question go up a bit.
no gloves around machinery for *me*
On Apr 18, 7:18=EF=BF=BDpm, [email protected] (J T) wrote:
> Wed, Apr 18, 2007, 6:55pm (EDT+4) [email protected] (trs80) doth burble:
> Can someone point to sources online that document the safety issues of
> wearing gloves when using machinery or with woodworking power tools?
> thanks
>
> =A0 =A0 =A0Yeah. =A0I damnall sure value my body parts, so I don't wear g=
loves.
> You make your own decision.
>
> JOAT
> I have anal glaucoma. =A0I can't see my ass going to work today.
Years ago, I was helping edit a book for a major publisher: the photo
they had of someone using a circular saw (Skil saw type) was of
someone wearing one of those huge, cuffed gloves that are useful
handling materials on oil rigs and nowhere else. They actually argued
that it was SAFER that way, until I pointed out something that doesn't
apply to most of today's work gloves: the leather palms let things
slip very easily. Today, the immensely strong and durable fabrics are
the problem. If your glove gets snatched or grabbed, and you've got
that wrist strap secured (as it should be to keep it from getting
caught), then your hand is going with that glove into whatever did the
catching, be it shaper, jointer, drill press, table saw or whatever.
Use gloves for handling material. Operate machinery without gloves.
That includes feeding material into tools such as planers.
There are times when I wear "gloves" to do some tasks. I find that
wearing tight latex gloves can offer a better grip on some wood and
tools. I think grip is important when feeding stock into a bench
planer, TS, bench router, etc. Latex gloves still leave you a "feel"
and are thin enough so that if there is a chance of some bit being
caught up, it should rip through without pulling your hand in.
FoggyTown
On Apr 19, 4:58 pm, FoggyTown <[email protected]> wrote:
> There are times when I wear "gloves" to do some tasks. I find that
> wearing tight latex gloves can offer a better grip on some wood and
> tools. I think grip is important when feeding stock into a bench
> planer, TS, bench router, etc. Latex gloves still leave you a "feel"
> and are thin enough so that if there is a chance of some bit being
> caught up, it should rip through without pulling your hand in.
>
> FoggyTown
While I agree that I wouldn't wear gloves for all the reasons
mentioned. I was just reading a mag, might have been FW, and they
show somebody wearing gloves using the TS. They even pointed out that
they lessened the chance of kickback due to slippage.
As I said, I wouldn't do it.
-Jim
On Apr 19, 5:14=EF=BF=BDpm, jtpr <[email protected]> wrote:
> On Apr 19, 4:58 pm, FoggyTown <[email protected]> wrote:
>
> > There are times when I wear "gloves" to do some tasks. =A0I find that
> > wearing tight latex gloves can offer a better grip on some wood and
> > tools. =A0I think grip is important when feeding stock into a bench
> > planer, TS, bench router, etc. =A0Latex gloves still leave you a "feel"
> > and are thin enough so that if there is a chance of some bit being
> > caught up, it should rip through without pulling your hand in.
>
> > FoggyTown
>
> While I agree that I wouldn't wear gloves for all the reasons
> mentioned. =A0I was just reading a mag, might have been FW, and they
> show somebody wearing gloves using the TS. =A0They even pointed out that
> they lessened the chance of kickback due to slippage.
>
> As I said, I wouldn't =A0do it.
>
> -Jim
LOL. When I've gotten kickback, the only "slippage" was between my
ears. Slippage. That's pure nonsense. Featherboards and push sticks,
not gloves.
On Apr 22, 12:41 pm, "Swingman" <[email protected]> wrote:
> "Mike Richardson" wrote in message
> > Use gloves for handling material. Operate machinery without gloves.
> > That includes feeding material into tools such as planers.
>
> While I'm used to seeing it in the Sears Craftsman catalog these past few
> years since the advent of the dufus era, was surprised to see the picture in
> April 07 FWW, in the article on corner miter joinery, of a glove on the
> feeding hand at the table saw with the caption encouraging it.
What do you want to bet that it is a directive from the Taunton legal
department?
who's cynical now, eh?
(didn't make it to Dave Eisan's yesterday... I was bach-ing it and got
downright lazy. Started to shine up the bikes so we can peddle our
winter-fattened butts out to the park for some freedom fries.)
Glorious weather. 70 blue skies, no wind.
On Apr 22, 1:00 pm, "Morris Dovey" <[email protected]> wrote:
> Robatoy wrote:
>
> | (didn't make it to Dave Eisan's yesterday... I was bach-ing it and
> | got downright lazy. Started to shine up the bikes so we can peddle
> | our winter-fattened butts out to the park for some freedom fries.)
>
> Did you shine the Handel bars, too? 8-)
>
I'm stumped. Still laughing... but stumped.
I have no polish to shine with, so I'll put it on my chopin liszt.
I practically became un-Ravel-led at the thought that there weren't
any bicycle related puns coming to me...
the word GerSchwinn 'spoke' to me...PachaBel was too much of
stretch... so I'm stumped.
r
On Apr 23, 8:07=EF=BF=BDam, Mike <[email protected]> wrote:
> On Fri, 20 Apr 2007 19:43:48 -0600, Dave Balderstone
>
> <dave@N_O_T_T_H_I_Sbalderstone.ca> wrote:
>
> Maybe. I'm about to roll to 48, and in shop at school I learned about
> the risks of loose clothing, jewellery, watches, neckties, gloves, etc
> in relation to power tools.
>
> Teaching of shop declined seriously in the intervening years, to the
> point that kids are graduating high school without knowing how to do
> things I (and you) take for granted.
>
> Most of them can't even make a watering can from a tomato juice can
> and
> some sheet metal using snips, a brake, and a REAL soldering iron (the
> kind that needs a torch).
>
> --
> I am extraordinarily patient, provided I get my own way in the end.
> - Margaret Thatcher
>
> Well for a start blame Mararet Thatcher, she killed off the concept of
> apprenticeships in about 1981 choosing to squander oil revenues on
> unemployment benefit rather than national infrastructure for instance.
> Follow that with decimation of manufacturing industry and, with those
> emerging from secondary "education" in the 1980's breeding the 20+
> year olds of today, its no wonder we have a nation of media studies
> graduates with the rest stuck in a darkened room smoking crack,
> shooting up heroin or endlessly playing on games consoles. =A0Those
> 1980's parents meanwhile are morbidly obese, incapable of work and a
> burden on the state.
>
> --
I'm not sure how wearing gloves with power machinery gets crossed up
with anything Margaret Thatcher did in Britain, but you can rest
assured, this is a trend in the U.S., too, and has absolutely nothing
to do with the federal government. Local school districts have been
closing down woodworking and metalworking programs at a hot pace for a
couple decades now. Very little remains, and this used to be one of
the biggest furniture building areas in the world.
On Apr 23, 10:07=EF=BF=BDam, "George" <[email protected]> wrote:
> "Charlie Self" <[email protected]> wrote in message
>
> news:[email protected]...
>
> I'm not sure how wearing gloves with power machinery gets crossed up
> with anything Margaret Thatcher did in Britain, but you can rest
> assured, this is a trend in the U.S., too, and has absolutely nothing
> to do with the federal government.
>
> Are you sure? =A0What percentage lawyers, and a current one hoping to crow
> atop the congressional dungheap with an interesting background.http://en.=
wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Edwards#Legal_career
>
> Liability. =A0Of course it would be easier on the poor IA teachers around=
all
> that dangerous equipment if they could throw the bums out, instead of giv=
ing
> them continuous attention out of fear they will hurt themselves or others,
> prompting a lawsuit.
Oh, for Christ's sake. This is a thread about safety. Save the
political bullshit for campaigns.
On Apr 18, 6:48 pm, "Leon" <[email protected]> wrote:
> "trs80" <[email protected]> wrote in message
>
> news:[email protected]...
>
> > Can someone point to sources online that document the safety issues of
> > wearing gloves when using machinery or with woodworking power tools?
> > thanks
>
> Common sense should equate that loose clothing near power tools is not safe.
>
> With that said, gloves are more dangerous around some tools than others.
> Several years ago this topic came up and I performed an experiment with a TS
> and a canvas/leather glove. I used a stick to push this glove into the
> spinning blade several times. On no occasion did the blade grab the glove or
> move the glove. The blade simply cut the glove as long as I pushed it into
> the blade. When I stopped pushing the glove simply sat still with the blade
> running through it. I got the same results with both the leather fingers
> and the canvas cuff end of the glove. Having said that, I still do not
> recommend using gloves around most power tools. Accidents can happen.
Front end of the blade cuts. Back end pulls things in, with
potentially
violent force. Perform the same experiment, but with the back end of
the blade.
"Leon" <[email protected]> writes:
>With that said, gloves are more dangerous around some tools than others.
>Several years ago this topic came up and I performed an experiment with a TS
>and a canvas/leather glove. I used a stick to push this glove into the
>spinning blade several times. On no occasion did the blade grab the glove or
>move the glove. The blade simply cut the glove as long as I pushed it into
>the blade. When I stopped pushing the glove simply sat still with the blade
I'm damn sure not going to wear gloves after an incident on my CMS a few
years back.
I had on a pair of those cheapie canvas/leather gloves. The blade
caught the cuff of the glove and pulled it in slightly. I ended up not
getting hurt, but I damn sure had to check my undies.
Briasn Elfert
Puckdropper <[email protected]> writes:
>What about bench grinders? To me, they seem to be a safer tool with
>gloves than without.
While not entirely the same, I always wear gloves with my angle grinder.
The sparks would burn my hands all up without them.
The grinder spins so fast I don't believe gloves or no gloves will matter.
A cutting or grinding wheel doesn't have teeth so less likely to grab a
glove.
Brian Elfert
Brian Elfert wrote:
> "Leon" <[email protected]> writes:
>
>
>
>> With that said, gloves are more dangerous around some tools than others.
>> Several years ago this topic came up and I performed an experiment with a TS
>> and a canvas/leather glove. I used a stick to push this glove into the
>> spinning blade several times. On no occasion did the blade grab the glove or
>> move the glove. The blade simply cut the glove as long as I pushed it into
>> the blade. When I stopped pushing the glove simply sat still with the blade
>
> I'm damn sure not going to wear gloves after an incident on my CMS a few
> years back.
>
> I had on a pair of those cheapie canvas/leather gloves. The blade
> caught the cuff of the glove and pulled it in slightly. I ended up not
> getting hurt, but I damn sure had to check my undies.
>
> Briasn Elfert
>
>
One lingerie check is usually all it takes. I got 3 fingers (that's all
that would fit) pulled into a snag grinder many years ago. Fortunately
it was already spinning down. Somebody spoke to me, I turned the grinder
off, flipped open my face shield and grabbed for the grinder to change
hands while standing up.
That's all it took.
I've gotten 'pink spray' a couple of times since ... but the grinder
wanted the whole glove and-everything-in-it.
I'm not going to give a saw blade a chance.
Bill
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Mike wrote:
> On Fri, 20 Apr 2007 19:43:48 -0600, Dave Balderstone
> <dave@N_O_T_T_H_I_Sbalderstone.ca> wrote:
>
> Maybe. I'm about to roll to 48, and in shop at school I learned about
> the risks of loose clothing, jewellery, watches, neckties, gloves, etc
> in relation to power tools.
I'm 31. I didn't take shop in school, so I don't know what they
taught...but I assume they still cover this. I did make a bent-shaft
paddle in the school shop over noon hours after showing the shop teacher
that I knew what I was doing around the tools.
> Most of them can't even make a watering can from a tomato juice can
> and
> some sheet metal using snips, a brake, and a REAL soldering iron (the
> kind that needs a torch).
I've never done anything like that but I've done electronics soldering
and torch pipe-sweating so I'm fairly sure I could figure it out if I
had to.
Chris
Mike Richardson wrote:
> Second that - especially when metalworking in welding gloves - not as
> much feel, you tend to rub up against the wheel too often, and as in
> kickback - when it grabs - it all happens very quickly.
>
> No gloves for me..
>
> 8.9.10. phew.
>
> Mike
> Brisbane Aus.
>
Putting safety first means being able to count to ten without undressing.
When I worked in a one-man maintenance department, the 'safety
inspector' would try to put a dime between the grinding wheel and the
rest. If he succeeded, I got written up.
The other plants got written up so often they removed the rests. ;-))))
Bill
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Wed, Apr 18, 2007, 6:55pm (EDT+4) [email protected] (trs80) doth burble:
Can someone point to sources online that document the safety issues of
wearing gloves when using machinery or with woodworking power tools?
thanks
Yeah. I damnall sure value my body parts, so I don't wear gloves.
You make your own decision.
JOAT
I have anal glaucoma. I can't see my ass going to work today.
In article <[email protected]>,
Charlie Self <[email protected]> wrote:
> On Apr 19, 5:14?pm, jtpr <[email protected]> wrote:
> > On Apr 19, 4:58 pm, FoggyTown <[email protected]> wrote:
> >
> > > There are times when I wear "gloves" to do some tasks. I find that
> > > wearing tight latex gloves can offer a better grip on some wood and
> > > tools. I think grip is important when feeding stock into a bench
> > > planer, TS, bench router, etc.
In article <[email protected]>,
Patriarch <[email protected]> wrote:
> "Swingman" <[email protected]> wrote in
> news:[email protected]:
>
> > "Drew Lawson" wrote in message
> >
> >> about in passing. But none of the substance of the discussion was
> >> already between my ears when I started working on stuff a year or
> >> so ago.
> >
> > I stand corrected.
> >
> > Just as with IQ in the general population, it's a good bet that half
> > the woodworker's instinctively know that wearing gloves around
> > woodworking machinery is not a good idea and are in no need of further
> > "documentation".
> >
> > Making you absolutely correct for the remainder ...
> >
>
> Maybe it's an age thing...
Maybe. I'm about to roll to 48, and in shop at school I learned about
the risks of loose clothing, jewellery, watches, neckties, gloves, etc
in relation to power tools.
Teaching of shop declined seriously in the intervening years, to the
point that kids are graduating high school without knowing how to do
things I (and you) take for granted.
Most of them can't even make a watering can from a tomato juice can and
some sheet metal using snips, a brake, and a REAL soldering iron (the
kind that needs a torch).
--
I am extraordinarily patient, provided I get my own way in the end.
- Margaret Thatcher
There was an episode of "American Chopper" where one of the employees got
his hand caught in a drill press. The cause was some loose string on the
gloves he was wearing getting caught in the drill bit. Sucked his hand in
quicker than anything and cut it up pretty good.
Leave the gloves off when near the things that spin. Unless you would rather
spend 4 hours in the ER rather than 4 minutes picking out splinters.
Allen
"trs80" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> Can someone point to sources online that document the safety issues of
> wearing gloves when using machinery or with woodworking power tools?
> thanks
>
"Leon" <[email protected]> wrote in
news:[email protected]:
>
> To qualify a bit more, it is not likely a spinning blade will pull a
> glove in and especially if there is resistance. The glove is likely
> to be cut and cut much easier than wood. I still don't recommend a
> glove around a TS as the glove could get caught up on a guard, miter
> gauge, fence or what ever and your natural pushing motion could be
> detoured into the blade.
>
> More dangerous IMHO are gloves around a lathe, drill press, or
> OSSander. Basically tools that can wind the glove up with you inside.
>
> Gloves with a chainsaw, hammer drill, most portable sanders, etc..,
> not so bad.
>
>
What about bench grinders? To me, they seem to be a safer tool with
gloves than without.
Puckdropper
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"Swingman" <[email protected]> wrote in
news:[email protected]:
> "trs80" wrote in message
>> Can someone point to sources online that document the safety issues
>> of wearing gloves when using machinery or with woodworking power
>> tools? thanks
>
> Sad how the internet is taking the place of the brain these days. All
> the documentation necessary should be between the woodworker's ears.
>
Really? Hm... let's see. I'm using the table saw for the first time.
It's easy, right? Just push the wood into the blade. All the
documentation's between my ears, so let's go. OOMPH! *time passes, the
user recovers* Lucky for him, he put on goalie equipment before he
started. Unluckily for him, it was like taking a Bobby Hull slapshot
from only twenty feet.
It's often better to read documentation on the internet about how to use
the saw and what to avoid than it is to find out first hand. There are
things that happen to others that haven't happened yet to you but could
actually be worse.
No, you shouldn't wear gloves or be reading the documentation while
you're working, but at least have sense enough to read and remember what
you read.
Puckdropper
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"Swingman" <[email protected]> wrote in
news:[email protected]:
> "Puckdropper" wrote in message
>
>> "Swingman" wrote in
>>
>>
>> > "trs80" wrote in message
>> >> Can someone point to sources online that document the safety
>> >> issues of wearing gloves when using machinery or with woodworking
>> >> power tools? thanks
>> >
>> > Sad how the internet is taking the place of the brain these days.
>> > All the documentation necessary should be between the woodworker's
>> > ears.
>> >
>>
>> Really? Hm... let's see. I'm using the table saw for the first
>> time.
>
> Don't look now but you dropped your puck ... the conversation and
> reply is NOT about using table saws.
>
> Refer to the subject line if in doubt.
>
Right. It's about wearing gloves and using power tools. Your reply was
about how users should know the stuff rather than using the Internet as a
repository of knowledge.
So, if I dropped the puck between the wrong two players, how did I do so?
1. A table saw is a power tool.
2. The example given applies directly to your reply about 'noin' stuff.
3. The guy's obviously using it wrong, something the issue of wearing
gloves while using power tools entails.
4. Usenet posts, just like real life conversations sometimes drift or
temporarily leave out all the elements first present in the converstion.
Puckdropper
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Robatoy wrote:
| (didn't make it to Dave Eisan's yesterday... I was bach-ing it and
| got downright lazy. Started to shine up the bikes so we can peddle
| our winter-fattened butts out to the park for some freedom fries.)
Did you shine the Handel bars, too? 8-)
--
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DeSoto Solar
DeSoto, Iowa USA
http://www.iedu.com/DeSoto/
Robatoy wrote:
| I have no polish to shine with, so I'll put it on my chopin liszt.
|
| I practically became un-Ravel-led at the thought that there weren't
| any bicycle related puns coming to me...
| the word GerSchwinn 'spoke' to me...PachaBel was too much of
| stretch... so I'm stumped.
Hmm. I got to thinking about alternative-energy biking and somehow
ended up pondering paisley sails, Rose-Marie, and tires (gRacing
Slick's, because "the ones that mother gives you don't do anything at
all"). Considered punning down the road to Windslow, AZ - but got
detoured onto the B5 and rOde to Joy instead - and that /really/ upset
Rose-Marie...
...then I woke up and decided that too much coffee before bed wasn't a
good idea.
I like "GerSchwinn" :-)
--
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DeSoto Solar
DeSoto, Iowa USA
http://www.iedu.com/DeSoto/interest.html
"Leon" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
>
> "Puckdropper" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> news:[email protected]...
>>>
>>
>> What about bench grinders? To me, they seem to be a safer tool with
>> gloves than without.
>
> Let your gut feelings be your guide.
Leave the gloves for handling firewood. Re- read the safety rules for your
equipment. I'm pretty sure that somewhere in there along with no loose
clothing, jewelry, watches or ties, it also states no gloves! these rules
are written for one reason: To protect you! (Also, if they protect you, they
also cover their own butts against lawsuits from people foolish enough to
wear loose items around moving equipment.
Brian
<[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
>a loose glove fed by itself isn't too good at illustrating real world
> in-use conditions.
>
> consider the blade slowed to near stalling by a bound board, like
> right before a kickback. add to that the glove being held stretched a
> bit by your sweaty hands in contact with the wood and the potential
> for unpredictable behavior from the objects in question go up a bit.
>
> no gloves around machinery for *me*
>
I'll say again,
Having said that, I still do not
recommend using gloves around most power tools. Accidents can happen.
"Drew Lawson" wrote in message
> about in passing. But none of the substance of the discussion was
> already between my ears when I started working on stuff a year or
> so ago.
I stand corrected.
Just as with IQ in the general population, it's a good bet that half the
woodworker's instinctively know that wearing gloves around woodworking
machinery is not a good idea and are in no need of further "documentation".
Making you absolutely correct for the remainder ...
--
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Last update: 2/20/07
On 19 Apr 2007 16:20:25 -0700, Charlie Self <[email protected]>
wrote:
>On Apr 19, 5:14?pm, jtpr <[email protected]> wrote:
>> On Apr 19, 4:58 pm, FoggyTown <[email protected]> wrote:
>>
>> > There are times when I wear "gloves" to do some tasks. find that
>> > wearing tight latex gloves can offer a better grip on some wood and
>> > tools. think grip is important when feeding stock into a bench
>> > planer, TS, bench router, etc. atex gloves still leave you a "feel"
>> > and are thin enough so that if there is a chance of some bit being
>> > caught up, it should rip through without pulling your hand in.
>>
>> > FoggyTown
>>
>> While I agree that I wouldn't wear gloves for all the reasons
>> mentioned. was just reading a mag, might have been FW, and they
>> show somebody wearing gloves using the TS. hey even pointed out that
>> they lessened the chance of kickback due to slippage.
>>
>> As I said, I wouldn't $o it.
>>
>> -Jim
>
>LOL. When I've gotten kickback, the only "slippage" was between my
>ears. Slippage. That's pure nonsense. Featherboards and push sticks,
>not gloves.
I agree. Plus, working with an alert and clear mind will help
question procedures that can be done in a safer manner.
"trs80" wrote in message
> Can someone point to sources online that document the safety issues of
> wearing gloves when using machinery or with woodworking power tools?
> thanks
Sad how the internet is taking the place of the brain these days. All the
documentation necessary should be between the woodworker's ears.
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Last update: 2/20/07
like cloths....the music comes back in style. R&R will never die. But I
dont see (or hope) bell bottom pants come back. Love to see braless halter
tops in vogue again.
"Patriarch" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> "Swingman" <[email protected]> wrote in
> news:[email protected]:
>
>> "Drew Lawson" wrote in message
>>
>>> about in passing. But none of the substance of the discussion was
>>> already between my ears when I started working on stuff a year or
>>> so ago.
>>
>> I stand corrected.
>>
>> Just as with IQ in the general population, it's a good bet that half
>> the woodworker's instinctively know that wearing gloves around
>> woodworking machinery is not a good idea and are in no need of further
>> "documentation".
>>
>> Making you absolutely correct for the remainder ...
>>
>
> Maybe it's an age thing...
>
> I'm in my mid-50's. Growing up, I did a bunch of building and
> construction activities with my dad, some for money, many for
> charitable activities.
>
> My wife and I raised 4 sons. We did as much as possible with the boys,
> but not nearly as much as I did with my dad. My sons were deep into
> sports and other great activities, but the 80's and the 60's were very
> different decades.
>
> I watch my eldest son in my shop today, and cringe. He's 33, and a
> really bright fellow, but he's had no shop classes, built very few
> buildings (or septic tank leach fields), and laid little to no concrete,
> all staples of my youth.
>
> But they are really good with equipment and systems that didn't really
> exist in my youth.
>
> And they love the same music I do. ;)
>
> Patriarch
I have a friend that I call 9 fingers........NO GLOVES!!!!!!!
"trs80" <[email protected]> wrote in message
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> Can someone point to sources online that document the safety issues of
> wearing gloves when using machinery or with woodworking power tools?
> thanks
>
"trs80" <[email protected]> wrote in message
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> Can someone point to sources online that document the safety issues of
> wearing gloves when using machinery or with woodworking power tools?
> thanks
Common sense should equate that loose clothing near power tools is not safe.
With that said, gloves are more dangerous around some tools than others.
Several years ago this topic came up and I performed an experiment with a TS
and a canvas/leather glove. I used a stick to push this glove into the
spinning blade several times. On no occasion did the blade grab the glove or
move the glove. The blade simply cut the glove as long as I pushed it into
the blade. When I stopped pushing the glove simply sat still with the blade
running through it. I got the same results with both the leather fingers
and the canvas cuff end of the glove. Having said that, I still do not
recommend using gloves around most power tools. Accidents can happen.
"Patriarch" wrote in message
> Maybe it's an age thing...
You bet it is ... leaving me with little patience for coddling the male of
the species for any reason. If I'd had any sons, I'd bet that would have
wished I'd only had daughters, which I have. ;)
> (or septic tank leach fields)
That brought back memories. Raised on a small farm, digging 100' increments
of septic tank field lines was one of the punishments for my getting into
(frequent) trouble.
The other of Dad's "favorite" punishments, if it didn't warrant the
immediate laying on of a leather strap (or perhaps, and depending upon the
severity of the offense, in addition thereto), was digging post holes (there
were no gas operated post hole diggers in those days!) for so many feet of
fence.
This was in addition to feeding and haying twice a day (250 +/- rabbits, a
feed lot calf or two, 10 or so horses, the chickens, ducks and geese, and
various other critters), keeping two 1/2 acre gardens up to ideal,
maintaining the grass and flower beds on the 2 1/2 acres around the house,
and the never ending, daily mucking out of stalls ... all being just every
day stuff that was expected to "earn your keep".
In this day and age, the kid's themselves would call CPS! ;)
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"Charlie Self" <[email protected]> wrote in message
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On Apr 18, 7:18�pm, [email protected] (J T) wrote:
Snip
Years ago, I was helping edit a book for a major publisher: the photo
they had of someone using a circular saw (Skil saw type) was of
someone wearing one of those huge, cuffed gloves that are useful
handling materials on oil rigs and nowhere else. They actually argued
that it was SAFER that way, until I pointed out something that doesn't
apply to most of today's work gloves: the leather palms let things
slip very easily. Today, the immensely strong and durable fabrics are
the problem. If your glove gets snatched or grabbed, and you've got
that wrist strap secured (as it should be to keep it from getting
caught), then your hand is going with that glove into whatever did the
catching, be it shaper, jointer, drill press, table saw or whatever.
Snip
SHUDDER
Use gloves for handling material. Operate machinery without gloves.
That includes feeding material into tools such as planers.
AGREED
Bench grinders and sanders (stationary) are the worst. Glove gets puled
between wheel and guard. Seen it a few times.
"Puckdropper" <[email protected]> wrote in message
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>
> What about bench grinders? To me, they seem to be a safer tool with
> gloves than without.
>
> Puckdropper
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"Swingman" <[email protected]> wrote in
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> "Drew Lawson" wrote in message
>
>> about in passing. But none of the substance of the discussion was
>> already between my ears when I started working on stuff a year or
>> so ago.
>
> I stand corrected.
>
> Just as with IQ in the general population, it's a good bet that half
> the woodworker's instinctively know that wearing gloves around
> woodworking machinery is not a good idea and are in no need of further
> "documentation".
>
> Making you absolutely correct for the remainder ...
>
Maybe it's an age thing...
I'm in my mid-50's. Growing up, I did a bunch of building and
construction activities with my dad, some for money, many for
charitable activities.
My wife and I raised 4 sons. We did as much as possible with the boys,
but not nearly as much as I did with my dad. My sons were deep into
sports and other great activities, but the 80's and the 60's were very
different decades.
I watch my eldest son in my shop today, and cringe. He's 33, and a
really bright fellow, but he's had no shop classes, built very few
buildings (or septic tank leach fields), and laid little to no concrete,
all staples of my youth.
But they are really good with equipment and systems that didn't really
exist in my youth.
And they love the same music I do. ;)
Patriarch
"Puckdropper" <[email protected]> wrote in message
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>>
>
> What about bench grinders? To me, they seem to be a safer tool with
> gloves than without.
Let your gut feelings be your guide.
jtpr wrote:
> They even pointed out that
> they lessened the chance of kickback due to slippage.
Kickback happens because fences, blades, and splitters are poorly
aligned, along with a board that's able to rotate and catch a rising
tooth. "Slippage" has nothing to do with it.
With everything properly aligned, including a splitter, you can actually
stop and let go of the work. Nothing will happen if the splitter and/or
featherboards keep the work off the rising teeth.
A setup poorly enough aligned will overcome Kung-Fu grip on a saw with
enough power. <G>
"Charlie Self" <[email protected]> wrote in message
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I'm not sure how wearing gloves with power machinery gets crossed up
with anything Margaret Thatcher did in Britain, but you can rest
assured, this is a trend in the U.S., too, and has absolutely nothing
to do with the federal government.
Are you sure? What percentage lawyers, and a current one hoping to crow
atop the congressional dungheap with an interesting background.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Edwards#Legal_career
Liability. Of course it would be easier on the poor IA teachers around all
that dangerous equipment if they could throw the bums out, instead of giving
them continuous attention out of fear they will hurt themselves or others,
prompting a lawsuit.
On Fri, 20 Apr 2007 19:43:48 -0600, Dave Balderstone
<dave@N_O_T_T_H_I_Sbalderstone.ca> wrote:
Maybe. I'm about to roll to 48, and in shop at school I learned about
the risks of loose clothing, jewellery, watches, neckties, gloves, etc
in relation to power tools.
Teaching of shop declined seriously in the intervening years, to the
point that kids are graduating high school without knowing how to do
things I (and you) take for granted.
Most of them can't even make a watering can from a tomato juice can
and
some sheet metal using snips, a brake, and a REAL soldering iron (the
kind that needs a torch).
--
I am extraordinarily patient, provided I get my own way in the end.
- Margaret Thatcher
Well for a start blame Mararet Thatcher, she killed off the concept of
apprenticeships in about 1981 choosing to squander oil revenues on
unemployment benefit rather than national infrastructure for instance.
Follow that with decimation of manufacturing industry and, with those
emerging from secondary "education" in the 1980's breeding the 20+
year olds of today, its no wonder we have a nation of media studies
graduates with the rest stuck in a darkened room smoking crack,
shooting up heroin or endlessly playing on games consoles. Those
1980's parents meanwhile are morbidly obese, incapable of work and a
burden on the state.
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In article <[email protected]>, trs80 <[email protected]> wrote:
>Can someone point to sources online that document the safety issues of
>wearing gloves when using machinery or with woodworking power tools?
>thanks
>
>
You'll have to do a little looking but www.osha.gov is a good start.
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There are no stupid questions, but there are lots of stupid answers.
Larry Wasserman - Baltimore Maryland - lwasserm(a)sdf. lonestar. org
In article <[email protected]>,
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Brian Elfert <[email protected]> wrote:
>Puckdropper <[email protected]> writes:
>
>>What about bench grinders? To me, they seem to be a safer tool with
>>gloves than without.
>
>While not entirely the same, I always wear gloves with my angle grinder.
>The sparks would burn my hands all up without them.
>
>The grinder spins so fast I don't believe gloves or no gloves will matter.
>A cutting or grinding wheel doesn't have teeth so less likely to grab a
>glove.
>
>Brian Elfert
A cylindrical solid steel shaft doesn't have teeth either, yet I can
personally attest that it can grab a glove and cause injury.
Please note that I am not arguing against your choice of wearing gloves
when operating the angle grinder, I suppose that might be reasonable though
when using one myself, I do not wear them.
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Larry Wasserman - Baltimore Maryland - lwasserm(a)sdf. lonestar. org
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"Swingman" <[email protected]> writes:
>"trs80" wrote in message
>> Can someone point to sources online that document the safety issues of
>> wearing gloves when using machinery or with woodworking power tools?
>> thanks
>
>Sad how the internet is taking the place of the brain these days. All the
>documentation necessary should be between the woodworker's ears.
For what it's worth: I like to think of myself as a reasonably
intelligent person, but one who is deeply inexperienced with power
tools. I took wood shop in 1975 and have forgotten most of it,
except the part about jointers taking off fingers. (Oh, and that
lathes are cool.)
This discussion has been very enlightening to me. Most of it
involves tools I don't have yet, or tools that I don't use gloves
with anyway, but it has answered some points that I've wondered
about in passing. But none of the substance of the discussion was
already between my ears when I started working on stuff a year or
so ago.
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Drew Lawson http://www.furrfu.com/ [email protected]
"Please understand that we are considerably less interested
in you than you are."
-- Madeleine Page, on the deep truths of alt.folklore.urban
<[email protected]> wrote in message
> consider the blade slowed to near stalling by a bound board, like
> right before a kickback. add to that the glove being held stretched a
> bit by your sweaty hands in contact with the wood and the potential
> for unpredictable behavior from the objects in question go up a bit.
>
> no gloves around machinery for *me*
Gloves also increase the size of your hands too and alters your spatial
senses. That quck brush of a bare finger gets you closer with a glove over
it.
"Leon" <[email protected]> wrote in message
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>
> I'll say again,
>
> Having said that, I still do not
> recommend using gloves around most power tools. Accidents can happen.
>
>
To qualify a bit more, it is not likely a spinning blade will pull a glove
in and especially if there is resistance. The glove is likely to be cut and
cut much easier than wood. I still don't recommend a glove around a TS as
the glove could get caught up on a guard, miter gauge, fence or what ever
and your natural pushing motion could be detoured into the blade.
More dangerous IMHO are gloves around a lathe, drill press, or OSSander.
Basically tools that can wind the glove up with you inside.
Gloves with a chainsaw, hammer drill, most portable sanders, etc.., not so
bad.
On Fri, 20 Apr 2007 19:34:48 GMT, "trs80" <[email protected]> wrote:
>like cloths....the music comes back in style. R&R will never die. But I
>dont see (or hope) bell bottom pants come back. Love to see braless halter
>tops in vogue again.
Were you not paying attention during the early years of this decade?
Bell-bottoms already came back, then went back out.
Oddly enough, I thought they were much more flattering this time
around, probably since they were being worn by lovely young women and
not, you know, Mom.
- Ken
>
>"Patriarch" <[email protected]> wrote in message
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>> "Swingman" <[email protected]> wrote in
>> news:[email protected]:
>>
>>> "Drew Lawson" wrote in message
>>>
>>>> about in passing. But none of the substance of the discussion was
>>>> already between my ears when I started working on stuff a year or
>>>> so ago.
>>>
>>> I stand corrected.
>>>
>>> Just as with IQ in the general population, it's a good bet that half
>>> the woodworker's instinctively know that wearing gloves around
>>> woodworking machinery is not a good idea and are in no need of further
>>> "documentation".
>>>
>>> Making you absolutely correct for the remainder ...
>>>
>>
>> Maybe it's an age thing...
>>
>> I'm in my mid-50's. Growing up, I did a bunch of building and
>> construction activities with my dad, some for money, many for
>> charitable activities.
>>
>> My wife and I raised 4 sons. We did as much as possible with the boys,
>> but not nearly as much as I did with my dad. My sons were deep into
>> sports and other great activities, but the 80's and the 60's were very
>> different decades.
>>
>> I watch my eldest son in my shop today, and cringe. He's 33, and a
>> really bright fellow, but he's had no shop classes, built very few
>> buildings (or septic tank leach fields), and laid little to no concrete,
>> all staples of my youth.
>>
>> But they are really good with equipment and systems that didn't really
>> exist in my youth.
>>
>> And they love the same music I do. ;)
>>
>> Patriarch
>
"Puckdropper" wrote in message
> "Swingman" wrote in
>
>
> > "trs80" wrote in message
> >> Can someone point to sources online that document the safety issues
> >> of wearing gloves when using machinery or with woodworking power
> >> tools? thanks
> >
> > Sad how the internet is taking the place of the brain these days. All
> > the documentation necessary should be between the woodworker's ears.
> >
>
> Really? Hm... let's see. I'm using the table saw for the first time.
Don't look now but you dropped your puck ... the conversation and reply is
NOT about using table saws.
Refer to the subject line if in doubt.
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On Fri, 20 Apr 2007 19:34:48 GMT, "trs80" <[email protected]> wrote:
I think you are a troll
Second that - especially when metalworking in welding gloves - not as much
feel, you tend to rub up against the wheel too often, and as in kickback -
when it grabs - it all happens very quickly.
No gloves for me..
8.9.10. phew.
Mike
Brisbane Aus.
"CW" <[email protected]> wrote in message
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> Bench grinders and sanders (stationary) are the worst. Glove gets puled
> between wheel and guard. Seen it a few times.
>
> "Puckdropper" <[email protected]> wrote in message
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>>
>> What about bench grinders? To me, they seem to be a safer tool with
>> gloves than without.
>>
>> Puckdropper
>> --
>> Wise is the man who attempts to answer his question before asking it.
>>
>> To email me directly, send a message to puckdropper (at) fastmail.fm
>
>
On Wed, 18 Apr 2007 18:55:53 GMT, "trs80" <[email protected]> wrote:
>Can someone point to sources online that document the safety issues of
>wearing gloves when using machinery or with woodworking power tools?
>thanks
>
Use Google--there's a bundle out there. Besides that, most owner's
manuals state this in the safety section. If you want more evidence,
ask a firend who has worked at a hospital for a few years--lots of
stories to tell.
I have a friend that I call 9 finger....NUF SAID!!!!
"trs80" <[email protected]> wrote in message
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> Can someone point to sources online that document the safety issues of
> wearing gloves when using machinery or with woodworking power tools?
> thanks
>
"Mike Richardson" wrote in message
> Use gloves for handling material. Operate machinery without gloves.
> That includes feeding material into tools such as planers.
While I'm used to seeing it in the Sears Craftsman catalog these past few
years since the advent of the dufus era, was surprised to see the picture in
April 07 FWW, in the article on corner miter joinery, of a glove on the
feeding hand at the table saw with the caption encouraging it.
The dufus era is rapidly reaching its pinnacle.
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