As soon as I finish tiling our master bath I will be starting on his &
her vanities.
The vanities will have a total of three drawer stacks, each with five
drawers. Being lazy, I have arranged things so that all the drawers are
the same width and length, only two diferent depths, so they will be easy
to make :) I plan to suspend them with oak runners let into the cabinet
sides.
My question is where - if any - is the best place on the drawer sides for
the rabbet for the runners? I have made many drawers like this, always
just cut the rabbets a bit above center but maybe near top is better? Or
centered? Below center? Is there a "best" place?
All opinions welcome, experience and reasons are worth extra points :)
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On Thu, 30 Oct 2014 17:22:21 +0000 (UTC), Larry Blanchard
<[email protected]> wrote:
>On Thu, 30 Oct 2014 12:32:45 -0400, krw wrote:
>
>> Ditto that. Projects like this take time and money. Saving a little
>> money on slides doesn't seem to make much sense, IMO.
>
>For construction grade, I agree. But if I'm making a piece of fine
>furniture, metal drawer slides just seem out of place to me.
They don't to me and I don't understand that mentality at all. I can
understand not wanting the normal side-mounted ball-bearing guides but
bottom-mount guides can't be seen. Our Amish-built dining room and
bedroom furniture is certainly not "construction grade" and use the
bottom-mount self-closing guides throughout. The Cherry isn't even
painted! ;-)
IIRC, this is in a bathroom, so humidity is to be expected. Of course
it's a personal thing, but I wouldn't use anything other (than bottom
mount self-closers).
On Thu, 30 Oct 2014 05:51:45 -0400, Ed Pawlowski <[email protected]> wrote:
>On Thu, 30 Oct 2014 05:21:05 -0400, John Paquay
><[email protected]> wrote:
>
>
>
>>
>>Ball bearing slides pretty much make it a moot point.
>
>That would be my first choice. My bathroom vanities are made by
>Bertch and use self closing glides. Give the drawer a push and it
>closes gently. Sure, they cost a bit more but I figure I'm worth it.
Ditto that. Projects like this take time and money. Saving a little
money on slides doesn't seem to make much sense, IMO. I really like
the bottom-mount Blum slides for this application.
Word of caution - don't store your stash of slides in an open-top
plastic container in the basement under a leaking toilet. :-(
dadiOH wrote:
>
> As soon as I finish tiling our master bath I will be starting on his
> &
> her vanities.
>
> The vanities will have a total of three drawer stacks, each with
> five
> drawers. Being lazy, I have arranged things so that all the drawers
> are
> the same width and length, only two diferent depths, so they will be
> easy to make :) I plan to suspend them with oak runners let into
> the
> cabinet sides.
>
> My question is where - if any - is the best place on the drawer
> sides
> for the rabbet for the runners?
> I have made many drawers like this,
> always just cut the rabbets a bit above center but maybe near top is
> better? Or centered? Below center? Is there a "best" place?
>
> All opinions welcome, experience and reasons are worth extra points
--------------------------------------
Whatever floats your boat.
Lew
"dadiOH" <[email protected]> writes:
>"Leon" <lcb11211@swbelldotnet> wrote in message
>news:[email protected]
>> On 10/29/2014 11:02 AM, dadiOH wrote:
>> >
>> > As soon as I finish tiling our master bath I will be starting on his &
>> > her vanities.
>> >
>> > The vanities will have a total of three drawer stacks, each with five
>> > drawers. Being lazy, I have arranged things so that all the drawers
>> > are
>> > the same width and length, only two diferent depths, so they will be
>> > easy to make :) I plan to suspend them with oak runners let into the
>> > cabinet sides.
>> >
>> > My question is where - if any - is the best place on the drawer sides
>> > for the rabbet for the runners?
>>
>> Rabbet? or Groves for the runners? Why not just let the drawers set on
>> top of the runners?
>
>Dang & blast. Yes, of course, dadoes.
Grooves, surely? A dado is across the grain, a groove with the grain.
On 10/29/2014 11:02 AM, dadiOH wrote:
>
> As soon as I finish tiling our master bath I will be starting on his &
> her vanities.
>
> The vanities will have a total of three drawer stacks, each with five
> drawers. Being lazy, I have arranged things so that all the drawers are
> the same width and length, only two diferent depths, so they will be
> easy to make :) I plan to suspend them with oak runners let into the
> cabinet sides.
>
> My question is where - if any - is the best place on the drawer sides
> for the rabbet for the runners?
Rabbet? or Groves for the runners? Why not just let the drawers set on
top of the runners?
I have made many drawers like this,
> always just cut the rabbets a bit above center but maybe near top is
> better? Or centered? Below center? Is there a "best" place?
>
> All opinions welcome, experience and reasons are worth extra points :)
>
Greg Guarino <[email protected]> wrote in news:m2rcsg$o33$1@dont-
email.me:
> I have no experience, but I think I can give a reason (Physics). I think
> the closer the runners are to the height of the handles, the more likely
> the drawer will pull straight out, as opposed to tilting forward or back
> and jamming in the slots.
Well, that certainly does make sense. I was thinking that all
the examples I could think of of that style had the runner
pretty much centered, but couldn't think of any reason I'd
ever heard for doing it that way. But I think you have it.
John
On 10/29/2014 2:54 PM, dadiOH wrote:
> "Leon" <lcb11211@swbelldotnet> wrote in message
> news:[email protected]
>> On 10/29/2014 11:02 AM, dadiOH wrote:
>> >
>> > As soon as I finish tiling our master bath I will be starting on his &
>> > her vanities.
>> >
>> > The vanities will have a total of three drawer stacks, each with five
>> > drawers. Being lazy, I have arranged things so that all the drawers
>> > are
>> > the same width and length, only two diferent depths, so they will be
>> > easy to make :) I plan to suspend them with oak runners let into the
>> > cabinet sides.
>> >
>> > My question is where - if any - is the best place on the drawer sides
>> > for the rabbet for the runners?
>>
>> Rabbet? or Groves for the runners? Why not just let the drawers set on
>> top of the runners?
>
> Dang & blast. Yes, of course, dadoes.
>
> The drawers can't sit on top of the runners because there is nothing to
> impede lateral motion.
>
I'm still confused, how do runners that slip inside the length of the
drawer lessen lateral motion over the drawer sides simply sitting on top
of the slides. I have never had issue with that set up?
On Thu, 30 Oct 2014 05:21:05 -0400, John Paquay
<[email protected]> wrote:
>
>Ball bearing slides pretty much make it a moot point.
That would be my first choice. My bathroom vanities are made by
Bertch and use self closing glides. Give the drawer a push and it
closes gently. Sure, they cost a bit more but I figure I'm worth it.
On 10/30/2014 1:17 PM, dadiOH wrote:
> "Ed Pawlowski" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> news:[email protected]
>> On Thu, 30 Oct 2014 05:21:05 -0400, John Paquay
>> <[email protected]> wrote:
>>
>>
>>
>> > > Ball bearing slides pretty much make it a moot point.
>>
>> That would be my first choice. My bathroom vanities are made by
>> Bertch and use self closing glides. Give the drawer a push and it
>> closes gently. Sure, they cost a bit more but I figure I'm worth it.
>
> Obviously, you don't make vanities so what do you make?
>
I make whatever I choose to make. Time constraints were such that it
was smarter to buy rather than make. If your wife was recovering from
major surgery would you take care of her needs or build a cabinet?
I subbed out 95% of the bathroom work. Got rid of the tub and have a
60" shower that is easily accessed.
On 10/29/2014 12:02 PM, dadiOH wrote:
> My question is where - if any - is the best place on the drawer sides
> for the rabbet for the runners? I have made many drawers like this,
> always just cut the rabbets a bit above center but maybe near top is
> better? Or centered? Below center? Is there a "best" place?
>
> All opinions welcome, experience and reasons are worth extra points :)
I have no experience, but I think I can give a reason (Physics). I think
the closer the runners are to the height of the handles, the more likely
the drawer will pull straight out, as opposed to tilting forward or back
and jamming in the slots.
"Leon" <lcb11211@swbelldotnet> wrote in message
news:[email protected]
> On 10/29/2014 11:02 AM, dadiOH wrote:
> >
> > As soon as I finish tiling our master bath I will be starting on his &
> > her vanities.
> >
> > The vanities will have a total of three drawer stacks, each with five
> > drawers. Being lazy, I have arranged things so that all the drawers
> > are
> > the same width and length, only two diferent depths, so they will be
> > easy to make :) I plan to suspend them with oak runners let into the
> > cabinet sides.
> >
> > My question is where - if any - is the best place on the drawer sides
> > for the rabbet for the runners?
>
> Rabbet? or Groves for the runners? Why not just let the drawers set on
> top of the runners?
Dang & blast. Yes, of course, dadoes.
The drawers can't sit on top of the runners because there is nothing to
impede lateral motion.
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"Greg Guarino" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]
> On 10/29/2014 12:02 PM, dadiOH wrote:
> > My question is where - if any - is the best place on the drawer sides
> > for the rabbet for the runners? I have made many drawers like this,
> > always just cut the rabbets a bit above center but maybe near top is
> > better? Or centered? Below center? Is there a "best" place?
> >
> > All opinions welcome, experience and reasons are worth extra points :)
>
> I have no experience, but I think I can give a reason (Physics). I think
> the closer the runners are to the height of the handles, the more likely
> the drawer will pull straight out, as opposed to tilting forward or back
> and jamming in the slots.
That makes sense, thanks, Greg.
In this case, there will be no pulls, just an arc cut out of the top of
the front. These drawers will be recessed about 3" into the cabinets.
The 3" is to make room for sort of a medicine cabinet thingy hanging on
the back of the doors that cover the cabinets.
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"Scott Lurndal" <[email protected]> wrote in message
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> "dadiOH" <[email protected]> writes:
> > "Leon" <lcb11211@swbelldotnet> wrote in message
> > news:[email protected]
> > > On 10/29/2014 11:02 AM, dadiOH wrote:
> > > >
> > > > As soon as I finish tiling our master bath I will be starting on
> > > > his & her vanities.
> > > >
> > > > The vanities will have a total of three drawer stacks, each with
> > > > five drawers. Being lazy, I have arranged things so that all the
> > > > drawers are
> > > > the same width and length, only two diferent depths, so they will
> > > > be
> > > > easy to make :) I plan to suspend them with oak runners let into
> > > > the cabinet sides.
> > > >
> > > > My question is where - if any - is the best place on the drawer
> > > > sides for the rabbet for the runners?
> > >
> > > Rabbet? or Groves for the runners? Why not just let the drawers set
> > > on top of the runners?
> >
> > Dang & blast. Yes, of course, dadoes.
>
> Grooves, surely? A dado is across the grain, a groove with the grain.
What, I can't make vertical grain sides?? :)
How about "lengthwise excavation" :)
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"Leon" <lcb11211@swbelldotnet> wrote in message
news:[email protected]
> On 10/29/2014 2:54 PM, dadiOH wrote:
> > "Leon" <lcb11211@swbelldotnet> wrote in message
> > news:[email protected]
> > > On 10/29/2014 11:02 AM, dadiOH wrote:
> > > >
> > > > As soon as I finish tiling our master bath I will be starting on
> > > > his & her vanities.
> > > >
> > > > The vanities will have a total of three drawer stacks, each with
> > > > five drawers. Being lazy, I have arranged things so that all the
> > > > drawers are
> > > > the same width and length, only two diferent depths, so they will
> > > > be
> > > > easy to make :) I plan to suspend them with oak runners let into
> > > > the cabinet sides.
> > > >
> > > > My question is where - if any - is the best place on the drawer
> > > > sides for the rabbet for the runners?
> > >
> > > Rabbet? or Groves for the runners? Why not just let the drawers set
> > > on top of the runners?
> >
> > Dang & blast. Yes, of course, dadoes.
> >
> > The drawers can't sit on top of the runners because there is nothing
> > to
> > impede lateral motion.
> >
>
> I'm still confused, how do runners that slip inside the length of the
> drawer lessen lateral motion over the drawer sides simply sitting on top
> of the slides. I have never had issue with that set up?
Perhaps we are misunderstanding each other...
If you make something like a web frame and sit a drawer on it, the drawer
will slide in and out; it will also move side to side as there is nothing
to stop it from doing do.
If you make grooves in the drawer sides and fit a piece to wood to it
(slightly sloppy, 1/32 max.) and attach that piece of wood to a partition
side, the drawer will move in and out but cannot move side to side (except
for the "slightly sloppy") because the piece of wood prevents it.
--
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<[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]
> On Thu, 30 Oct 2014 05:51:45 -0400, Ed Pawlowski <[email protected]> wrote:
>
> > On Thu, 30 Oct 2014 05:21:05 -0400, John Paquay
> > <[email protected]> wrote:
> >
> >
> >
> > >
> > > Ball bearing slides pretty much make it a moot point.
> >
> > That would be my first choice. My bathroom vanities are made by
> > Bertch and use self closing glides. Give the drawer a push and it
> > closes gently. Sure, they cost a bit more but I figure I'm worth it.
>
> Ditto that. Projects like this take time and money. Saving a little
> money on slides doesn't seem to make much sense, IMO. I really like
> the bottom-mount Blum slides for this application.
In my case, saving money doesn't enter into it. Not that I don't use
slides, have a kitchen full of them.
In this case, it is simpler and more precise for me to simply plow grooves
in the partition sides...one setup and I can do all. I take a length of
oak that I have on hand (and for which I will probably have no future use)
and fit it to the grooves, one size fits all. After I make the drawers,
I'll plow grooves in them - sides, fronts and backs - and again, one setup
does all. To me, that is easier, faster and simpler than fitting 60
separate slide pieces for the 15 drawers, YMMV.
Besides, I enjoy doing it. :)
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"Ed Pawlowski" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]
> On Thu, 30 Oct 2014 05:21:05 -0400, John Paquay
> <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>
>
> >
> > Ball bearing slides pretty much make it a moot point.
>
> That would be my first choice. My bathroom vanities are made by
> Bertch and use self closing glides. Give the drawer a push and it
> closes gently. Sure, they cost a bit more but I figure I'm worth it.
Obviously, you don't make vanities so what do you make?
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"Leon" <lcb11211@swbelldotnet> wrote in message
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> On 10/30/2014 12:02 PM, dadiOH wrote:
> > "Leon" <lcb11211@swbelldotnet> wrote in message
> > news:[email protected]
> > > On 10/29/2014 2:54 PM, dadiOH wrote:
> > > > "Leon" <lcb11211@swbelldotnet> wrote in message
> > > > news:[email protected]
> > > > > On 10/29/2014 11:02 AM, dadiOH wrote:
> > > > > >
> > > > > > As soon as I finish tiling our master bath I will be starting
> > > > > > on
> > > > > > his & her vanities.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > The vanities will have a total of three drawer stacks, each
> > > > > > with
> > > > > > five drawers. Being lazy, I have arranged things so that all
> > > > > > the drawers are
> > > > > > the same width and length, only two diferent depths, so they
> > > will > > > be
> > > > > > easy to make :) I plan to suspend them with oak runners let
> > > > > > into the cabinet sides.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > My question is where - if any - is the best place on the
> > > > > > drawer
> > > > > > sides for the rabbet for the runners?
> > > > >
> > > > > Rabbet? or Groves for the runners? Why not just let the drawers
> > > > > set on top of the runners?
> > > >
> > > > Dang & blast. Yes, of course, dadoes.
> > > >
> > > > The drawers can't sit on top of the runners because there is
> > > > nothing
> > > > to
> > > > impede lateral motion.
> > > >
> > >
> > > I'm still confused, how do runners that slip inside the length of
> > > the
> > > drawer lessen lateral motion over the drawer sides simply sitting on
> > > top of the slides. I have never had issue with that set up?
> >
> > Perhaps we are misunderstanding each other...
> >
> > If you make something like a web frame and sit a drawer on it, the
> > drawer will slide in and out; it will also move side to side as there
> > is
> > nothing to stop it from doing do.
>
> Gotcha! I was visualizing solid walls that the slides attached to also.
> The walls/panels would prevent the drawer from sliding side to side.
I need space between drawer sides and partitions so that the sides can
clear the face frame.
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On 10/30/2014 12:02 PM, dadiOH wrote:
> "Leon" <lcb11211@swbelldotnet> wrote in message
> news:[email protected]
>> On 10/29/2014 2:54 PM, dadiOH wrote:
>> > "Leon" <lcb11211@swbelldotnet> wrote in message
>> > news:[email protected]
>> > > On 10/29/2014 11:02 AM, dadiOH wrote:
>> > > >
>> > > > As soon as I finish tiling our master bath I will be starting on
>> > > > his & her vanities.
>> > > >
>> > > > The vanities will have a total of three drawer stacks, each with
>> > > > five drawers. Being lazy, I have arranged things so that all the
>> > > > drawers are
>> > > > the same width and length, only two diferent depths, so they
>> will > > > be
>> > > > easy to make :) I plan to suspend them with oak runners let into
>> > > > the cabinet sides.
>> > > >
>> > > > My question is where - if any - is the best place on the drawer
>> > > > sides for the rabbet for the runners?
>> > >
>> > > Rabbet? or Groves for the runners? Why not just let the drawers set
>> > > on top of the runners?
>> >
>> > Dang & blast. Yes, of course, dadoes.
>> >
>> > The drawers can't sit on top of the runners because there is nothing
>> > to
>> > impede lateral motion.
>> >
>>
>> I'm still confused, how do runners that slip inside the length of the
>> drawer lessen lateral motion over the drawer sides simply sitting on top
>> of the slides. I have never had issue with that set up?
>
> Perhaps we are misunderstanding each other...
>
> If you make something like a web frame and sit a drawer on it, the
> drawer will slide in and out; it will also move side to side as there is
> nothing to stop it from doing do.
Gotcha! I was visualizing solid walls that the slides attached to also.
The walls/panels would prevent the drawer from sliding side to side.
>
> If you make grooves in the drawer sides and fit a piece to wood to it
> (slightly sloppy, 1/32 max.) and attach that piece of wood to a
> partition side, the drawer will move in and out but cannot move side to
> side (except for the "slightly sloppy") because the piece of wood
> prevents it.
>
>
On 10/29/2014 11:02 AM, dadiOH wrote:
>
> As soon as I finish tiling our master bath I will be starting on his &
> her vanities.
>
> The vanities will have a total of three drawer stacks, each with five
> drawers. Being lazy, I have arranged things so that all the drawers are
> the same width and length, only two diferent depths, so they will be
> easy to make :) I plan to suspend them with oak runners let into the
> cabinet sides.
>
> My question is where - if any - is the best place on the drawer sides
> for the rabbet for the runners? I have made many drawers like this,
> always just cut the rabbets a bit above center but maybe near top is
> better? Or centered? Below center? Is there a "best" place?
>
> All opinions welcome, experience and reasons are worth extra points :)
>
And now for an opinion. If you pull the drawer completely out, would it
be easier to see the slide to reinsert the drawer if the grove in the
drawer side was closer to the top? Just a thought. Otherwise I don't
see any advantage.
On 10/29/2014 2:50 PM, Greg Guarino wrote:
> On 10/29/2014 12:02 PM, dadiOH wrote:
>> My question is where - if any - is the best place on the drawer sides
>> for the rabbet for the runners? I have made many drawers like this,
>> always just cut the rabbets a bit above center but maybe near top is
>> better? Or centered? Below center? Is there a "best" place?
>>
>> All opinions welcome, experience and reasons are worth extra points :)
>
> I have no experience, but I think I can give a reason (Physics). I think
> the closer the runners are to the height of the handles, the more likely
> the drawer will pull straight out, as opposed to tilting forward or back
> and jamming in the slots.
+10 extra points for Greg's reasoning.
Definitely, placing the runner guides at (or as near as possible to) the
same height as the pull will provide the smoothest action. Even in a
case where the drawer will be very heavily loaded, this works well.
Ball bearing slides pretty much make it a moot point.
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