I am an old time wrecker from years ago. I still try to keep up with it as
much as I can, but due to frequent travels I can't participate as much as I
want to. I would like to share my perspective with you all about the
current status of the group.
I have always appreciated what an invaluable wealth of information this
newsgroup has always been. I've been a frequent reader and occasional
poster for many years under various munges of this email address going back
to the mid 1990s. I've also always liked the frank, open nature of the
discussions in here. Any wrecker will understand that this is a home for
woodworkers, and their lives. The occasional off-topic thread, gloat, rant,
or personal story is always refreshing here.
In recent times, specifically the past year, I have noticed that our group
has attracted some particularly vulgar trolls. We have always had a handful
of trolls here and there, but I don't remember ever seeing it this bad. I
am no prude to locker room language, but I think we can all agree that
these trolls have gone past the line.
Some of you might reply to me and say that I should ignore them, and that I
am feeding the trolls. That may be partially true, but we really need to do
something about this. Just because you ignore the crap, does not mean that
it is not here. Some people cannot killfile. Others choose not to killfile.
The very task of setting up troll filters can be a very nasty experience in
itself...having to sit around and ponder various combinations of filthy
words and phrases. And this rewards the trolls further because they have
forced you to waste your personal time due to their actions.
Have you read the wreck FAQ lately? The FAQ is X-rated. There are more
references to profanity and sexual acts than there are to woodworking on
the FAQ. My kids read the wreck. I actually directed them to look up the
FAQ on Google and then they had to read all that filth. This is another
victory for the trolls.
Ignoring the trolls does not prevent their garbage from being permanently
archived in Google Groups. I was searching the archives for something JOAT
posted a while ago. It took me a while to find what I was looking for. I
had to sift through sexually explicit subject titles. I clicked a link to
what I thought was going to be a table, and it was a hardcore porn image.
And my mother-in-law was sitting right next to me. That really was
embarrassing.
I am willing to do anything in my power to help resolve this problem.
Enough is enough.
SOMETHING NEEDS TO BE DONE. IGNORING IS NOT WORKING. IF ANYONE WANTS TO
COLLECTIVELY GET TOGETHER AND DO SOMETHING ABOUT THIS, EMAIL ME.
Warren Z
Y'know, I spend about 30-45 seconds a week adjusting my kill-files for
the wreck, and they work just fine. If you choose not to filter, or to
access newsgroups in such a way that you cannot filter, that's your
choice, your problem, your responsibility.
As for Google searches of the wreck, well... you're choosing to use a
non-filtered source. Act responsibly. Don't click on links you're not
confident of with your MIL sitting next to you.
I suppose you could lobby whatever government oversees whatever country
you live in and ask them to please monitor everyone's behaviour all the
time so that your sensibilities aren't offended.
Have you joined the class action lawsuit claiming damages because
people saw a 5 second peek of Janet's nipple? There's a cause worth
fighting for (although it could have been worse... It could have been
Michael's).
djb
--
Is it time to change my sig line yet?
Nice pick, Myx.
-JBB
"Myxylplyk" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
>
> "Warren Z" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> news:[email protected]...
> > TROLL BAITING SNIPPED<<
>
> Nice troll...did you enjoy it...i did...lol now i'm feeding a troll....
>
>
Warren Z makes a case:
>SOMETHING NEEDS TO BE DONE. IGNORING IS NOT WORKING. IF ANYONE WANTS TO
>COLLECTIVELY GET TOGETHER AND DO SOMETHING ABOUT THIS, EMAIL ME.
But what?
If you think it's bad here, take a quick gander at rec.photo.digital.
AFAIK, the only way to work it without changing the basis the NG is to kill
file or ignore. Anything else changes things that probably should stay the
same.
Now, if there were some day to trace these turkeys down and declare open
season, at least just before Thanksgiving....:) (just in case anyone things I'm
serious).
Charlie Self
"We're 269 days from the election, and that's several political lifetimes."
TERRY HOLT, Bush campaign spokesman.
http://hometown.aol.com/charliediy/myhomepage/business.html
Are there moderated usenet groups?
try posting to rec.humor.funny ......
-Dan V.
On 7 Feb 2004 11:39:34 GMT, Warren Z <[email protected]> wrote:
>I am an old time wrecker from years ago. I still try to keep up with it as
>much as I can, but due to frequent travels I can't participate as much as I
>want to. I would like to share my perspective with you all about the
>current status of the group.
>
>I have always appreciated what an invaluable wealth of information this
>newsgroup has always been. I've been a frequent reader and occasional
>poster for many years under various munges of this email address going back
>to the mid 1990s. I've also always liked the frank, open nature of the
>discussions in here. Any wrecker will understand that this is a home for
>woodworkers, and their lives. The occasional off-topic thread, gloat, rant,
>or personal story is always refreshing here.
>
>In recent times, specifically the past year, I have noticed that our group
>has attracted some particularly vulgar trolls. We have always had a handful
>of trolls here and there, but I don't remember ever seeing it this bad. I
>am no prude to locker room language, but I think we can all agree that
>these trolls have gone past the line.
>
>Some of you might reply to me and say that I should ignore them, and that I
>am feeding the trolls. That may be partially true, but we really need to do
>something about this. Just because you ignore the crap, does not mean that
>it is not here. Some people cannot killfile. Others choose not to killfile.
>The very task of setting up troll filters can be a very nasty experience in
>itself...having to sit around and ponder various combinations of filthy
>words and phrases. And this rewards the trolls further because they have
>forced you to waste your personal time due to their actions.
>
>Have you read the wreck FAQ lately? The FAQ is X-rated. There are more
>references to profanity and sexual acts than there are to woodworking on
>the FAQ. My kids read the wreck. I actually directed them to look up the
>FAQ on Google and then they had to read all that filth. This is another
>victory for the trolls.
>
>Ignoring the trolls does not prevent their garbage from being permanently
>archived in Google Groups. I was searching the archives for something JOAT
>posted a while ago. It took me a while to find what I was looking for. I
>had to sift through sexually explicit subject titles. I clicked a link to
>what I thought was going to be a table, and it was a hardcore porn image.
>And my mother-in-law was sitting right next to me. That really was
>embarrassing.
>
>I am willing to do anything in my power to help resolve this problem.
>Enough is enough.
>
>SOMETHING NEEDS TO BE DONE. IGNORING IS NOT WORKING. IF ANYONE WANTS TO
>COLLECTIVELY GET TOGETHER AND DO SOMETHING ABOUT THIS, EMAIL ME.
>
>Warren Z
"KYHighlander" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
>
> If the Second Amendment were interpreted as loosely as the First we'd all
be
> buying rocket launchers and M203's at the local gun store.
>
Or, we would be required to bear arms.
Frank
Frank Ketchum writes:
>
>"KYHighlander" <[email protected]> wrote in message
>news:[email protected]...
>>
>> If the Second Amendment were interpreted as loosely as the First we'd all
>be
>> buying rocket launchers and M203's at the local gun store.
>>
>
>Or, we would be required to bear arms.
Or arm bears.
There are substantive differences in the two amendments, anyway.
Charlie Self
"Everything has its limit - iron ore cannot be educated into gold." Mark Twain
http://hometown.aol.com/charliediy/myhomepage/business.html
Locally speaking I think some people wish that they could arm crows.
Ok Nevermind.
--
"Charlie Self" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> Doug Winterburn writes:
>
> >> There are substantive differences in the two amendments, anyway.
> >>
> >
> >...and similarities. The Bill of Rights are all concerned with
> >_individual_ rights (individual bears aren't mentioned).
>
> True. Not menitoning bears was a major oversight, one that proves our
Founding
> Fathers were not perfect.
>
> Charlie Self
> "Everything has its limit - iron ore cannot be educated into gold." Mark
Twain
>
> http://hometown.aol.com/charliediy/myhomepage/business.html
Doug Winterburn writes:
>> There are substantive differences in the two amendments, anyway.
>>
>
>...and similarities. The Bill of Rights are all concerned with
>_individual_ rights (individual bears aren't mentioned).
True. Not menitoning bears was a major oversight, one that proves our Founding
Fathers were not perfect.
Charlie Self
"Everything has its limit - iron ore cannot be educated into gold." Mark Twain
http://hometown.aol.com/charliediy/myhomepage/business.html
I miss the old "troll for catches" posts I don't see those much anymore.
--
"Myxylplyk" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
>
> "Warren Z" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> news:[email protected]...
> > TROLL BAITING SNIPPED<<
>
> Nice troll...did you enjoy it...i did...lol now i'm feeding a troll....
>
>
I understand your concerns, especially since I have a new young daughter. I
am really not looking forward to teaching her about the internet and all the
bad that it contains. However, it contains too much good not to introduce
her to it. It just will have to be under a supervisory condition until she
is about 35 years old (just kidding).
Anyway, as I see it, one of the great things about this country is free
speech. What a person does with that freedom is basically a reflection of
that individual. If someone decides to post a lot of garbage, then that is
a direct reflection of that person. Will that fact stop trolls, no way. My
point is that the small price I pay for free speech (having to filter the
trolls) is worth it to me. If someone is not able to filter trolls for
whatever reason, then I can see discussing options, or even investigating
new software tools.
I am using Outlook express for quite some time now and am very pleased with
it. Yes, it did take a minimal time investment to get it to the point that
it does filter 90% of the garbage.
Stephen R.
"Warren Z" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> I am an old time wrecker from years ago. I still try to keep up with it as
> much as I can, but due to frequent travels I can't participate as much as
I
> want to. I would like to share my perspective with you all about the
> current status of the group.
>
> I have always appreciated what an invaluable wealth of information this
> newsgroup has always been. I've been a frequent reader and occasional
> poster for many years under various munges of this email address going
back
> to the mid 1990s. I've also always liked the frank, open nature of the
> discussions in here. Any wrecker will understand that this is a home for
> woodworkers, and their lives. The occasional off-topic thread, gloat,
rant,
> or personal story is always refreshing here.
>
> In recent times, specifically the past year, I have noticed that our group
> has attracted some particularly vulgar trolls. We have always had a
handful
> of trolls here and there, but I don't remember ever seeing it this bad. I
> am no prude to locker room language, but I think we can all agree that
> these trolls have gone past the line.
>
> Some of you might reply to me and say that I should ignore them, and that
I
> am feeding the trolls. That may be partially true, but we really need to
do
> something about this. Just because you ignore the crap, does not mean that
> it is not here. Some people cannot killfile. Others choose not to
killfile.
> The very task of setting up troll filters can be a very nasty experience
in
> itself...having to sit around and ponder various combinations of filthy
> words and phrases. And this rewards the trolls further because they have
> forced you to waste your personal time due to their actions.
>
> Have you read the wreck FAQ lately? The FAQ is X-rated. There are more
> references to profanity and sexual acts than there are to woodworking on
> the FAQ. My kids read the wreck. I actually directed them to look up the
> FAQ on Google and then they had to read all that filth. This is another
> victory for the trolls.
>
> Ignoring the trolls does not prevent their garbage from being permanently
> archived in Google Groups. I was searching the archives for something JOAT
> posted a while ago. It took me a while to find what I was looking for. I
> had to sift through sexually explicit subject titles. I clicked a link to
> what I thought was going to be a table, and it was a hardcore porn image.
> And my mother-in-law was sitting right next to me. That really was
> embarrassing.
>
> I am willing to do anything in my power to help resolve this problem.
> Enough is enough.
>
> SOMETHING NEEDS TO BE DONE. IGNORING IS NOT WORKING. IF ANYONE WANTS TO
> COLLECTIVELY GET TOGETHER AND DO SOMETHING ABOUT THIS, EMAIL ME.
>
> Warren Z
Warren Z wrote:
> SOMETHING NEEDS TO BE DONE. IGNORING IS NOT WORKING. IF ANYONE WANTS TO
> COLLECTIVELY GET TOGETHER AND DO SOMETHING ABOUT THIS, EMAIL ME.
So find him, then tell his mother what he's been doing with his computer.
She'll smash it with a sledge hammer, and that will be the end of it.
First you have to find him.
--
Michael McIntyre ---- Silvan <[email protected]>
Linux fanatic, and certified Geek; registered Linux user #243621
http://www.geocities.com/Paris/Rue/5407/
>
> Anyway, as I see it, one of the great things about this country is free
> speech. What a person does with that freedom is basically a reflection of
> that individual.
The constitutional interpretation of free speech that is now excepted is
totally bastardized as to what Jefferson and the founders had in mind. They
meant for political speech to be protected and free, if they had seen the
filth Warren is referring to they would have thrown a fit.
If the Second Amendment were interpreted as loosely as the First we'd all be
buying rocket launchers and M203's at the local gun store.
KY
"Warren Z" <[email protected]> wrote in message
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> TROLL BAITING SNIPPED<<
Nice troll...did you enjoy it...i did...lol now i'm feeding a troll....