Wondering which type of raised panel router bit, vertical or horizontal is
inherently safer. I have the router table, and 3-1/4 hp variable speed
router to handle either. I would think that placing the panel horizontally,
flat on the table and feeding it into the bit would be preferred, but I
think that I would have to add a collet extension to be able to raise the
bit high enough. Does spinning a 2-1/2" to 3-1/2" bit on a collet extension
create a problem? I don't have a whole lot in the router, Woodcraft and
Freud were dumping a 3-1/4 hp last year for $125 or so, it's worked well
under the table so far, I guess I could give the extension a shot and see
what happens. Are featherboards and an extended fence enough to make a
vertical approach safe and reliable? Thanks, it's always a pleasure to tap
the experience out there.
alexy <[email protected]> wrote:
>"Lew Hodgett" <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>>"joe" wrote:
>>
>>> Vertical is safer, yes, but I prefer to have gravity holding the
>>> board to
>>> the table rather than having to push it against a fence (by whatever
>>> means).
>>> I've gotten better *results* with horizontal bits.
>>
>>I'm with Joe; however, even with a featherboard(s) being used as hold
>>downs, it is important to make sure the panel is FULLY supported by
>>the table or runout roller support.
>>
>>Lew
>>
>
>I'm surprised no one has mentioned yet the possibility of using the
>smaller "vertical" bit horizontally. FWW had plans for a horizontal
>router table as well as for a "versatile" router table used
>conventionally, vertically, or overhead, and there are a few others
s/b "horizontally"
>floating around the net. Seems to give the safety and better dust
>collection of the smaller bit, with the solidity of horizontally held
>workpiece. Can't do anything for slower tip speed, if you think that
>is an issue.
>
>No experience here; just have seen write-ups.
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There's another difference to consider - back cutting.
Panel raising bits that also make the "back cut" say you
a set up and another operation. Horizontal panel raising bits
that cut not only the raised panel but the "back cut" as
well - at the same time - are available (Somerfeld for example)
whereas vertical panel raising bits require that you make
the "back cut" after panel raising.
If you get the right set - rail, stile and panel raising bit - they're
matched. Getting their set ups right can be a trial and error, time
consuming process - so I go with three routers, each mounted to
its own router table insert plate - each with its own zero clearance
fence insert - and sample set up block. If I need to make another
rail, stile or panel, I just pop in the already set up routers, install
the appropriate zero clearance fence insert - and start cutting.
Either way you choose to go - DO NOT try raising panels in one pass
and For The Love Of God - use a push block - or two and don't stand
In The Line Of Fire. It's not just the table saw that can Kick Back.
http://web.hypersurf.com/~charlie2/Mentoring_LinenCabinet/Mentoring_LinenCabinet8.html
"Upscale" <[email protected]> wrote in message
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> "d.williams" <[email protected]> wrote in message
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>> Wondering which type of raised panel router bit, vertical or horizontal
>> is
>> inherently safer.
>
> With the wood properly supported and with a high enough fence, most would
> agree that a vertical raised panel but is safer.
>
>
Vertical is safer, yes, but I prefer to have gravity holding the board to
the table rather than having to push it against a fence (by whatever means).
I've gotten better *results* with horizontal bits.
If safety is the main concern, go vertical.
"joe" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> Vertical is safer, yes, but I prefer to have gravity holding the board to
> the table rather than having to push it against a fence (by whatever
means).
> I've gotten better *results* with horizontal bits.
>
> If safety is the main concern, go vertical.
Quality of cut is not something I've considered. So far, I've only used a
horizontal panel bit. Have you tried both types? With a horizontal bit, the
panel being cut should be fed through repeatedly until proper depth of cut
is achieved. I wonder about doing something similar with a vertical bit to
get a better result?
If you've tried both types of bits, can I assume you've used a featherboard
with the vertical bit?
"joe" wrote:
> Vertical is safer, yes, but I prefer to have gravity holding the
> board to
> the table rather than having to push it against a fence (by whatever
> means).
> I've gotten better *results* with horizontal bits.
I'm with Joe; however, even with a featherboard(s) being used as hold
downs, it is important to make sure the panel is FULLY supported by
the table or runout roller support.
Lew
"d.williams" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> Wondering which type of raised panel router bit, vertical or horizontal is
> inherently safer. I have the router table, and 3-1/4 hp variable speed
> router to handle either. I would think that placing the panel
> horizontally, flat on the table and feeding it into the bit would be
> preferred, but I think that I would have to add a collet extension to be
> able to raise the bit high enough. Does spinning a 2-1/2" to 3-1/2" bit on
> a collet extension create a problem? I don't have a whole lot in the
> router, Woodcraft and Freud were dumping a 3-1/4 hp last year for $125 or
> so, it's worked well under the table so far, I guess I could give the
> extension a shot and see what happens. Are featherboards and an extended
> fence enough to make a vertical approach safe and reliable? Thanks, it's
> always a pleasure to tap the experience out there.
>
Normally either bit will be shielded by the work during the milling
operation. I have go to think that using the wider horizontal bit would
yield smoother results with less preparation. That is what I have always
used. The vertical bit could leave small scallops.
If you go with the horizontal bit, use a router speed in the 10,000 range or
go with the vertical bit. You really do not want to be spinning a 3+"
diameter bit a full speed.
"Upscale" <[email protected]> wrote in message
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>
> "joe" <[email protected]> wrote in message
>> Vertical is safer, yes, but I prefer to have gravity holding the board
>> to
>> the table rather than having to push it against a fence (by whatever
> means).
>> I've gotten better *results* with horizontal bits.
>>
>> If safety is the main concern, go vertical.
>
> Quality of cut is not something I've considered. So far, I've only used a
> horizontal panel bit. Have you tried both types? With a horizontal bit,
> the
> panel being cut should be fed through repeatedly until proper depth of cut
> is achieved. I wonder about doing something similar with a vertical bit to
> get a better result?
>
> If you've tried both types of bits, can I assume you've used a
> featherboard
> with the vertical bit?
>
>
I have used both and I prefer the horizontal mainly because I was never able
to get rid of all traces of "wiggle" when standing a panel on edge,
regardless of the height of the fence. And, yes, I used featherboards for
both operations.
Joe
"d.williams" <[email protected]> wrote in message
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> Wondering which type of raised panel router bit, vertical or horizontal is
> inherently safer.
With the wood properly supported and with a high enough fence, most would
agree that a vertical raised panel but is safer.
On Dec 7, 10:05=A0pm, "Upscale" <[email protected]> wrote:
> "joe" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> > Vertical is =A0safer, yes, but I prefer to have gravity holding the boa=
rd to
> > the table rather than having to push it against a fence (by whatever
> means).
> > I've gotten better *results* with horizontal bits.
>
> > If safety is the main concern, go vertical.
>
> Quality of cut is not something I've considered. So far, I've only used a
> horizontal panel bit. Have you tried both types? With a horizontal bit, t=
he
> panel being cut should be fed through repeatedly until proper depth of cu=
t
> is achieved. I wonder about doing something similar with a vertical bit t=
o
> get a better result?
>
> If you've tried both types of bits, can I assume you've used a featherboa=
rd
> with the vertical bit?
One of the things that I do like about the vertical bits is that chip
collection is a lot easier.
The drawback, is that the speed of the cutter, at the tip, relative to
the wood being cut, is a bit slow.
The increase in safety by using a vertical bit, is undeniable.
"Lew Hodgett" <[email protected]> wrote:
>"joe" wrote:
>
>> Vertical is safer, yes, but I prefer to have gravity holding the
>> board to
>> the table rather than having to push it against a fence (by whatever
>> means).
>> I've gotten better *results* with horizontal bits.
>
>I'm with Joe; however, even with a featherboard(s) being used as hold
>downs, it is important to make sure the panel is FULLY supported by
>the table or runout roller support.
>
>Lew
>
I'm surprised no one has mentioned yet the possibility of using the
smaller "vertical" bit horizontally. FWW had plans for a horizontal
router table as well as for a "versatile" router table used
conventionally, vertically, or overhead, and there are a few others
floating around the net. Seems to give the safety and better dust
collection of the smaller bit, with the solidity of horizontally held
workpiece. Can't do anything for slower tip speed, if you think that
is an issue.
No experience here; just have seen write-ups.
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