OT: Biodiesel at Home

Lou wrote:

> I have been so tempted to do this.
> I'm considering buying a 3 yr old truck, something
> just out of warranty to do this with. As for the
> dedicated garage, I'm sure with a little thought
> process and planning, that it could be cut way
> down in size. It's the storage of usable fuel that
> scares me.
> Lou

Farmers have been doing it for decades with little risk


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"Robatoy" <[email protected]> wrote in message
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I wonder how long it will take for some 'agency' to lobby for that
process to be outlawed(taxed??)
Or to make it illegal for the fry-joints to hand the spent oil over to
'non-licensed' people.

It IS toxic waste - in a manner of speaking.

Dave in Houston

On May 18, 9:56 pm, "Mike Marlow" <[email protected]> wrote:
> "Lou" <[email protected]> wrote in message
>
> news:eca92168-37c1-465d-86b2-93e860ce3484@d77g2000hsb.googlegroups.com...
>
> >I have been so tempted to do this.
> > I'm considering buying a 3 yr old truck, something
> > just out of warranty to do this with. As for the
> > dedicated garage, I'm sure with a little thought
> > process and planning, that it could be cut way
> > down in size. It's the storage of usable fuel that
> > scares me.
>
> Diesel isn't a bad storage risk. Much safer than gasoline.
>

The distinction between an inflammable liquid and a
combustible liquid is the flashpoint, that is the temperature
at which vapors above the liquid can be ignited by
an open flame.

Combustible liquids have a flashpoint that is high
enough that the vapors will not form an explosive atmosphere
under ordinary household conditions. I think the standard
is 140 degrees F.

Diesel fuel, fuel oil and kerosene are combustible. To
ignite those, they must be pre-heated, or atomized.

Gasoline is inflammable, it can form an explosive
atmosphere under mundane conditions

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FF

On May 19, 6:04 am, B A R R Y <[email protected]> wrote:
> On Sun, 18 May 2008 21:56:17 -0400, "Mike Marlow"
>
> <[email protected]> wrote:
> >Diesel isn't a bad storage risk. Much safer than gasoline.
>
> Exactly.
>
> How much heating oil is stored in a typical oil heated home?
>

On the order of 300 gallons (might be 388).

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FF

On May 18, 3:36=A0pm, "Garage_Woodworks" <.@.> wrote:
> Anyone here tried making this stuff at home? =A0 I found this youtube vide=
o
> today. =A0He pays 77c/gallon. =A0 Not sure how that math works out when th=
e
> methanol is $2.60/gallon and you need 3 equivalents of methanol per mole o=
f
> triglyceride. =A0Looks like you need to dedicate your garage to the operat=
ion
> and well....my garage is occupado!
>
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3DpL-M2IzYGuU
>
> --
> Brianwww.garagewoodworks.com
>
> "In the land of the blind, the one-eyed man is king."
> Desiderius Erasmus

I wonder how long it will take for some 'agency' to lobby for that
process to be outlawed(taxed??)
Or to make it illegal for the fry-joints to hand the spent oil over to
'non-licensed' people.

Existing fuel tax laws already exist in every state. It's difficult
for ordinary citizens to figure out how to pay the taxes but some have
already been prosecuted for not paying.

"Florida law demands 29 cents per gallon of homemade fuel, but few pay
it, intentionally or because they don't know the rules."

http://www.wesh.com/automotive/16093985/detail.html

There are also strict laws against making distilling equipment
(required to make ethanol). But that hasn't stopped me from making my
own schnapps and whiskey. The government just wants their cut so they
can pay for hookers.

On May 18, 11:23 pm, Mark & Juanita <[email protected]> wrote:
> Mike Marlow wrote:
>
> > "Dave in Houston" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> >news:[email protected]...
> ... snip
>
> >> It IS toxic waste - in a manner of speaking.
>
> > Hell - what isn't these days?
>
> Is there *anything* that is *not* known by the state of California to
> cause cancer?

Raw bear meat.

That give you trichinosis instead.

Have you heard the theory that cancer is caused by
white mice?

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FF

On May 19, 2:14 pm, Tanus <[email protected]> wrote:
> Fred the Red Shirt wrote:
>
>
>
> > On May 18, 9:56 pm, "Mike Marlow" <[email protected]> wrote:
> >> "Lou" <[email protected]> wrote in message
>
> >>news:eca92168-37c1-465d-86b2-93e860ce3484@d77g2000hsb.googlegroups.com...
>
> >>> I have been so tempted to do this.
> >>> I'm considering buying a 3 yr old truck, something
> >>> just out of warranty to do this with. As for the
> >>> dedicated garage, I'm sure with a little thought
> >>> process and planning, that it could be cut way
> >>> down in size. It's the storage of usable fuel that
> >>> scares me.
> >> Diesel isn't a bad storage risk. Much safer than gasoline.
>
> > The distinction between an inflammable liquid and a
> > combustible liquid is the flashpoint, that is the temperature
> > at which vapors above the liquid can be ignited by
> > an open flame.
>
> > Combustible liquids have a flashpoint that is high
> > enough that the vapors will not form an explosive atmosphere
> > under ordinary household conditions. I think the standard
> > is 140 degrees F.
>
> > Diesel fuel, fuel oil and kerosene are combustible. To
> > ignite those, they must be pre-heated, or atomized.
>
> > Gasoline is inflammable, it can form an explosive
> > atmosphere under mundane conditions
>
> ...
> You sure about kerosene in that list, Fred?

Yes.

> I run a kerosene heater and
> the liquid just wicks up and is lit without being atomized. Granted it's
> much less volatile than gas, and its flashpoint is higher, but from what
> I've seen it doesn't need to be an aerosol to be lit.
>

It must be heated or atomized.

What ignites it--something hot?

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"Dave in Houston" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
>
> "Robatoy" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> news:7470346d-4643-4a53-941f-aaa258882cfb@d45g2000hsc.googlegroups.com...
>
> I wonder how long it will take for some 'agency' to lobby for that
> process to be outlawed(taxed??)
> Or to make it illegal for the fry-joints to hand the spent oil over to
> 'non-licensed' people.
>

That's already happening. People have been prosecuted for violating zoning
laws and other obscure reasons - for just doing it in their own garage for
their own use.


> It IS toxic waste - in a manner of speaking.
>

Hell - what isn't these days?

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-Mike-
[email protected]

Mike Marlow wrote:

>
> "Dave in Houston" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> news:[email protected]...
... snip
>
>> It IS toxic waste - in a manner of speaking.
>>
>
> Hell - what isn't these days?
>

Is there *anything* that is *not* known by the state of California to
cause cancer? I know I can't buy anything without that label on it. I
would think the list of things not known by California to cause cancer
would be shorter. It might thus be an environmentally friendly change then
to require that labels only be applied to products not known by the state
of California to cause cancer -- it might cut down on the use of that
carcinogenic ink.

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"Mark & Juanita" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> Mike Marlow wrote:
>
> Is there *anything* that is *not* known by the state of California to
> cause cancer?

[snip]


Apparently not! Recently I purchased an electrical EXTENSION CORD. You
know the thing you use when the outlet is too far away to plug in the table
lamp. This EXTENSION CORD had the ubiquitous California warning. Don't see
how plugging in my table lamp is likely to give me cancer.

Guess Cal's gubmint is just a whole lot smarted than we are here in the
Midwest.

GWK

"Lou" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:eca92168-37c1-465d-86b2-93e860ce3484@d77g2000hsb.googlegroups.com...
>I have been so tempted to do this.
> I'm considering buying a 3 yr old truck, something
> just out of warranty to do this with. As for the
> dedicated garage, I'm sure with a little thought
> process and planning, that it could be cut way
> down in size. It's the storage of usable fuel that
> scares me.
>

Diesel isn't a bad storage risk. Much safer than gasoline.

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-Mike-
[email protected]

On May 18, 3:36 pm, "Garage_Woodworks" <.@.> wrote:
> Anyone here tried making this stuff at home? I found this youtube video
> today. He pays 77c/gallon.
> ... Looks like you need to dedicate your garage to the operation
> and well....my garage is occupado!
>
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pL-M2IzYGuU
>

You probably could fit all of the equipment in the back
of a pickup truck. Diesel powered, of course.

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FF

I have been so tempted to do this.
I'm considering buying a 3 yr old truck, something
just out of warranty to do this with. As for the
dedicated garage, I'm sure with a little thought
process and planning, that it could be cut way
down in size. It's the storage of usable fuel that
scares me.
Lou

On Sun, 18 May 2008 13:23:30 -0700 (PDT), Robatoy
<[email protected]> wrote:


>Or to make it illegal for the fry-joints to hand the spent oil over to
>'non-licensed' people.

McDonalds is using their own oil to power their own vehicles in the
UK.

<http://www.autobloggreen.com/2007/07/02/mcdonalds-will-make-biodiesel-from-its-own-waste-grease-for-tru/>

My home town has (4) biodiesel plants who have to _buy_ the oil,
because most restaurants have already figured out that it's worth
something.

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Fred the Red Shirt wrote:
> On May 18, 9:56 pm, "Mike Marlow" <[email protected]> wrote:
>> "Lou" <[email protected]> wrote in message
>>
>> news:eca92168-37c1-465d-86b2-93e860ce3484@d77g2000hsb.googlegroups.com...
>>
>>> I have been so tempted to do this.
>>> I'm considering buying a 3 yr old truck, something
>>> just out of warranty to do this with. As for the
>>> dedicated garage, I'm sure with a little thought
>>> process and planning, that it could be cut way
>>> down in size. It's the storage of usable fuel that
>>> scares me.
>> Diesel isn't a bad storage risk. Much safer than gasoline.
>>
>
> The distinction between an inflammable liquid and a
> combustible liquid is the flashpoint, that is the temperature
> at which vapors above the liquid can be ignited by
> an open flame.
>
> Combustible liquids have a flashpoint that is high
> enough that the vapors will not form an explosive atmosphere
> under ordinary household conditions. I think the standard
> is 140 degrees F.
>
> Diesel fuel, fuel oil and kerosene are combustible. To
> ignite those, they must be pre-heated, or atomized.
>
> Gasoline is inflammable, it can form an explosive
> atmosphere under mundane conditions
>
> --
>
> FF
>

You sure about kerosene in that list, Fred? I run a kerosene heater and
the liquid just wicks up and is lit without being atomized. Granted it's
much less volatile than gas, and its flashpoint is higher, but from what
I've seen it doesn't need to be an aerosol to be lit.

Tanus

Fred the Red Shirt wrote:
> On May 19, 2:14 pm, Tanus <[email protected]> wrote:
>> Fred the Red Shirt wrote:
>>
>>
>>
>>> On May 18, 9:56 pm, "Mike Marlow" <[email protected]> wrote:
>>>> "Lou" <[email protected]> wrote in message
>>>> news:eca92168-37c1-465d-86b2-93e860ce3484@d77g2000hsb.googlegroups.com...
>>>>> I have been so tempted to do this.
>>>>> I'm considering buying a 3 yr old truck, something
>>>>> just out of warranty to do this with. As for the
>>>>> dedicated garage, I'm sure with a little thought
>>>>> process and planning, that it could be cut way
>>>>> down in size. It's the storage of usable fuel that
>>>>> scares me.
>>>> Diesel isn't a bad storage risk. Much safer than gasoline.
>>> The distinction between an inflammable liquid and a
>>> combustible liquid is the flashpoint, that is the temperature
>>> at which vapors above the liquid can be ignited by
>>> an open flame.
>>> Combustible liquids have a flashpoint that is high
>>> enough that the vapors will not form an explosive atmosphere
>>> under ordinary household conditions. I think the standard
>>> is 140 degrees F.
>>> Diesel fuel, fuel oil and kerosene are combustible. To
>>> ignite those, they must be pre-heated, or atomized.
>>> Gasoline is inflammable, it can form an explosive
>>> atmosphere under mundane conditions
>> ...
>> You sure about kerosene in that list, Fred?
>
> Yes.
>
>> I run a kerosene heater and
>> the liquid just wicks up and is lit without being atomized. Granted it's
>> much less volatile than gas, and its flashpoint is higher, but from what
>> I've seen it doesn't need to be an aerosol to be lit.
>>
>
> It must be heated or atomized.
>
> What ignites it--something hot?
>
> --
>
> FF
>

Yes, it must be heated to light. I use a cigarette lighter.

Tanus

Lee Michaels wrote:
> "Mark & Juanita" <[email protected]> wrote
>>
>> Is there *anything* that is *not* known by the state of California
>> to cause cancer?
>
> Yep, soon they will require labels on vitamins. And there is talk
> of
> banning vitamins from all the toxic cancer they create.
>
> Apparently they don't know about the smog in LA.

They need to put a warning on politicians. Warning--voting for this
_moron_ will be hazardous to your life, liberty, and pursuit of
happiness.

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--John
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(was jclarke at eye bee em dot net)

Lex wrote:
> Robatoy wrote:
>> On May 18, 3:36 pm, "Garage_Woodworks" <.@.> wrote:
>>> Anyone here tried making this stuff at home? I found this youtube
>>> video
>>> today. He pays 77c/gallon. Not sure how that math works out when the
>>> methanol is $2.60/gallon and you need 3 equivalents of methanol per
>>> mole of
>>> triglyceride. Looks like you need to dedicate your garage to the
>>> operation
>>> and well....my garage is occupado!
>>>
>>> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pL-M2IzYGuU
>>>
>>> --
>>> Brianwww.garagewoodworks.com
>>>
>>> "In the land of the blind, the one-eyed man is king."
>>> Desiderius Erasmus
>>
>> I wonder how long it will take for some 'agency' to lobby for that
>> process to be outlawed(taxed??)
>> Or to make it illegal for the fry-joints to hand the spent oil over to
>> 'non-licensed' people.
>
> Not very long... Just leave it to the Peoples Republic of Illinois...
> http://www.treehugger.com/files/2007/03/illinois_man_fi.php

Republican State Senator has introduced a State bill "...which would
curtail government interference regarding alternative fuels, such as
vegetable oil..."I would agree that the bond is not acceptable, $2,500
bond," Watson said, adding that David Wetzel should be commended for his
innovative efforts." (His car) gets 46 miles per gallon running on
vegetable oil. We all should be thinking about doing without gasoline if
we're trying to end foreign dependency."

It'll never pass here in the Peoples Republic... NEVER!
Sad but true....

"Mark & Juanita" <[email protected]> wrote
>
> Is there *anything* that is *not* known by the state of California to
> cause cancer?

Yep, soon they will require labels on vitamins. And there is talk of
banning vitamins from all the toxic cancer they create.

Apparently they don't know about the smog in LA.

On Sun, 18 May 2008 21:56:17 -0400, "Mike Marlow"
<[email protected]> wrote:

>Diesel isn't a bad storage risk. Much safer than gasoline.


Exactly.

How much heating oil is stored in a typical oil heated home?

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On Mon, 19 May 2008 07:59:34 -0700 (PDT), Fred the Red Shirt
<[email protected]> wrote:

>On May 19, 6:04 am, B A R R Y <[email protected]> wrote:
>> On Sun, 18 May 2008 21:56:17 -0400, "Mike Marlow"
>>
>> <[email protected]> wrote:
>> >Diesel isn't a bad storage risk. Much safer than gasoline.
>>
>> Exactly.
>>
>> How much heating oil is stored in a typical oil heated home?
>>
>
>On the order of 300 gallons (might be 388).


That was a rhetorical question to make a point, but I'd guess about
the same. <G>

The point was that LOTS of people already have nearly the same
substance, in a decent amount, INSIDE THE HOUSE (like my basement).

I rented a house that had twin 500's!

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Robatoy wrote:
> On May 18, 3:36 pm, "Garage_Woodworks" <.@.> wrote:
>> Anyone here tried making this stuff at home? I found this youtube video
>> today. He pays 77c/gallon. Not sure how that math works out when the
>> methanol is $2.60/gallon and you need 3 equivalents of methanol per mole of
>> triglyceride. Looks like you need to dedicate your garage to the operation
>> and well....my garage is occupado!
>>
>> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pL-M2IzYGuU
>>
>> --
>> Brianwww.garagewoodworks.com
>>
>> "In the land of the blind, the one-eyed man is king."
>> Desiderius Erasmus
>
> I wonder how long it will take for some 'agency' to lobby for that
> process to be outlawed(taxed??)
> Or to make it illegal for the fry-joints to hand the spent oil over to
> 'non-licensed' people.

Not very long... Just leave it to the Peoples Republic of Illinois...
http://www.treehugger.com/files/2007/03/illinois_man_fi.php