Democrats
* Richard Gephardt: Air National Guard, 1965-71
* David Bonior: Staff Sgt., Air Force 1968-72
* Tom Daschle: 1st Lt., Air Force SAC 1969-72.
* Al Gore: enlisted Aug. 1969; sent to Vietnam Jan. 1971 as an army
journalist in 20th Engineer Brigade.
* Bob Kerrey: Lt. j.g. Navy 1966-69; Medal of Honor, Vietnam.
* Daniel Inouye: Army 1943-47; Medal of Honor, WWII.
* John Kerry: Lt., Navy 1966-70; Silver Star, Bronze Star with Combat
V, Purple Hearts.
* Charles Rangel: Staff Sgt., Army 1948-52; Bronze Star, Korea.
* Max Cleland: Captain, Army 1965-68; Silver Star & Bronze Star,
Vietnam. Lost both legs and one arm attempting to pick up a grenade
dropped by another soldier.
* Ted Kennedy: Army, 1951-53.
* Tom Harkin: Lt., Navy, 1962-67; Naval Reserve,1968-74.
* Jack Reed: Army Ranger, 1971-1979; Captain, Army Reserve 1979-91.
* Fritz Hollings: Army officer in WWII; Bronze Star and seven campaign
ribbons.
* Leonard Boswell: Lt. Col., Army 1956-76; Vietnam, DFCs, Bronze Stars,
and Soldier¹s Medal.
* Pete Peterson: Air Force Captain, POW. Purple Heart, Silver Star and
Legion of Merit.
* Mike Thompson: Staff sergeant, 173rd Airborne, Purple Heart.
* Bill McBride: Candidate for Fla. Governor. Marine in Vietnam; Bronze
Star with Combat V.
* Gray Davis: Army Captain in Vietnam, Bronze Star.
* Pete Stark: Air Force 1955-57
* Chuck Robb: Vietnam
* Howell Heflin: Silver Star
* George McGovern: Silver Star & DFC during WWII.
* Bill Clinton: Did not serve. Student deferments. Entered draft but
received #311.
* Jimmy Carter: Seven years in the Navy. Graduate of Naval Academy,
Annapolis, MD.
* Walter Mondale: Army 1951-1953
* John Glenn: WWII and Korea; six DFCs and Air Medal with 18 Clusters.
* Tom Lantos: Served in Hungarian underground in WWII.
Republicans
* Dennis Hastert: did not serve.
* Tom Delay: did not serve.
* Roy Blunt: did not serve.
* Bill Frist: did not serve.
* Mitch McConnell: did not serve.
* Rick Santorum: did not serve.
* Trent Lott: did not serve.
* Dick Cheney: did not serve. Five deferments. ³I had other priorities
in the ¹60s other than military service,² Cheney told a reporter in 1989.
* John Ashcroft: did not serve. Seven deferments to teach business.
* Jeb Bush: did not serve.
* Karl Rove: did not serve.
* Saxby Chambliss: did not serve. ³Bad knee.² The man who attacked Max
Cleland¹s patriotism.
* Paul Wolfowitz: did not serve.
* Vin Weber: did not serve.
* Richard Perle: did not serve.
* Douglas Feith: did not serve.
* Eliot Abrams: did not serve.
* Richard Shelby: did not serve.
* Jon Kyl: did not serve.
* Tim Hutchison: did not serve.
* Christopher Cox: did not serve.
* Newt Gingrich: did not serve.
* Don Rumsfeld: served in Navy (1954-57) as flight instructor.
* George W. Bush: failed to complete his six-year Air National Guard
tour of duty; asked for and received an assignment to Alabama so he
could campaign for family friend running for U.S. Senate; failed to show
up for required medical exam, disappeared from duty.
* Ronald Reagan: due to poor eyesight, served in a non-combat role
making movies.
* ³B-1² Bob Dornan: Consciously enlisted after fighting was over in
Korea.
* Phil Gramm: did not serve.
* John McCain: Silver Star, Bronze Star, Legion of Merit, Purple Heart
and Distinguished Flying Cross.
* Dana Rohrabacher: did not serve.
* John M. McHugh: did not serve.
* JC Watts: did not serve.
* Jack Kemp: did not serve. ³Knee problem,² although continued playing
in the NFL for 8 years.
* Dan Quayle: Journalism unit of the Indiana National Guard.
* Rudy Giuliani: did not serve.
* George Pataki: did not serve.
* Spencer Abraham: did not serve.
* John Engler: did not serve.
* Lindsey Graham: National Guard lawyer.
* Arnold Schwarzenegger: AWOL from Austrian army base.
Pundits & Preachers
* Sean Hannity: did not serve.
* Rush Limbaugh: did not serve (4-F with a pilonidal cyst.¹)
* Bill O¹Reilly: did not serve.
* Michael Savage: did not serve.
* George Will: did not serve.
* Chris Matthews: did not serve.
* Paul Gigot: did not serve.
* Bill Bennett: did not serve.
* Pat Buchanan: did not serve.
* John Wayne: did not serve.
* Bill Kristol: did not serve.
* Kenneth Starr: did not serve.
* Antonin Scalia: did not serve.
* Clarence Thomas: did not serve.
* Ralph Reed: did not serve.
* Michael Medved: did not serve.
* Charlie Daniels: did not serve.
* Ted Nugent: did not serve. (He only shoots at things that don¹t shoot
That's all you really know isn't it, how to curse and swear? And the
really sad part is that you do that poorly too. There's no logic or
reason to your discourse, just a pile of cursing and abusive language.
I'd call you senile, but you're long past that level of interaction.
What does it feel like to be the poster boy for lack of education and
how to be low in life? Your family whom I feel sorry for, must cringe
at the thought of you. I can just envision it during the holidays.
"Damn, it's time to visit uncle curse-a-lot again. Well, we'll say hi
and leave as soon as possible."
Thu, Jan 19, 2006, 3:00am (EST+5) [email protected]
(1968.9.44.64) doth burble something:
<snipped all>
Hi there Buttercup, from the subject, I figured you'd head the
list.
Hard to understand just what you're trying to say there. You just
list a bunch of people who have, and not, had military service. I'm
guessing the Republicans and Democrats are all politicians. Then those
that're left are not. Are you impling that they "all" disrespect our
serviceman, and women, in Iraq? You even list Ronald Reagan, but he
seems to have died. That alone makes the credibility of your list
suspect. What'd you do, just copy someone else's list?
I "was" amused by you listing the infamous Mass Senator Kennedy's
two years of military service - he couldn't even do that right.
http://www.nndb.com/people/623/000023554/
You don't even have to ask, I spent time in Nam. And, no I do not
disrespect any of our servicepeople in Iraq, nor any of the other
military over there - just so it's clear.
JOAT
If you can't say anything nice about someone, you must be talking about
Hilary Clinton.
I love you stop feeding the trolls, you guy's keep me pretty busy. Going to
War and Dying are two of many missions of the Military. If we discount the
Iraq and the War on Error, you have a lot of other issues. National Guard
Troops and Reservist taking a good brunt of the fight. Equipping our
soldiers in direct action with equipment circa Korean War and Vietnam.
Un-Armored Hummers being used as APC's. If you look majority of these deaths
aren't actual combat but IED's, Christ you can't even die valiantly charging
the Muslim machine gun nest with grenade pin in your teeth. Instead sitting
in their GM with the tunes and the AC on swooping down the road and going
up in smoke without so much as a shot being fired..................Sad Waste
"S.A. Airborne" <S.A. @ airborne.com> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> Stop feeding the troll, and maybe he'll crawl back under his bridge and
> stop
> bothering people....
> Then again, perhaps not - thank God for 'kill-file'!
>
> A question for the more intellectual patrons of this group:
> Have people that join the Armed Forces (the majority obviously purely for
> the various benefits available), forgotten that if one voluntarily joins
> the
> military one may actually be required to wage war at some stage?
>
> I have just spent 2 years in a certain rather sandy environment, being
> paid
> by Uncle Sam to assist in "the war against terror". Nearly all the
> servicemen and women that I spoke with expressed dismay that, after
> signing
> up for (amongst others) primarily educational and medical benefits, they
> actually had to go to war.
> Truly incredible, as far as I am concerned. Another example of people who
> are unwilling to make a sacrifice for the country that has given them
> opportunities unavailable anywhere else in the world.
>
> Back to lurk-mode.....
>
>
>
> "Upscale" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> news:[email protected]...
>> That's all you really know isn't it, how to curse and swear? And the
>> really sad part is that you do that poorly too. There's no logic or
>> reason to your discourse, just a pile of cursing and abusive language.
>> I'd call you senile, but you're long past that level of interaction.
>>
>> What does it feel like to be the poster boy for lack of education and
>> how to be low in life? Your family whom I feel sorry for, must cringe
>> at the thought of you. I can just envision it during the holidays.
>> "Damn, it's time to visit uncle curse-a-lot again. Well, we'll say hi
>> and leave as soon as possible."
>>
>
>
"S.A. Airborne" <S.A. @ airborne.com> wrote in
news:[email protected]:
> Stop feeding the troll, and maybe he'll crawl back under his bridge
> and stop bothering people....
> Then again, perhaps not - thank God for 'kill-file'!
>
> A question for the more intellectual patrons of this group:
> Have people that join the Armed Forces (the majority obviously purely
> for the various benefits available), forgotten that if one voluntarily
> joins the military one may actually be required to wage war at some
> stage?
>
> I have just spent 2 years in a certain rather sandy environment, being
> paid by Uncle Sam to assist in "the war against terror". Nearly all
> the servicemen and women that I spoke with expressed dismay that,
> after signing up for (amongst others) primarily educational and
> medical benefits, they actually had to go to war.
> Truly incredible, as far as I am concerned. Another example of people
> who are unwilling to make a sacrifice for the country that has given
> them opportunities unavailable anywhere else in the world.
>
> Back to lurk-mode.....
>
>
>
>
You're partialy correct. If I were a reservist, I would truly gripe about
being activated. Activation never happens when it is convenient.After a
long period of peace, many people will join the reserves for benefits, to
wear a uniform, etc. I think many have a secret desire to be a warrior,
but believe it will never happen. When it happens most acquit themselves
very well. Don't know what you are trying to say. Are reservists a
griping bunch of malcontents that feel sorry for themselves? Look at the
history of reserve outfits in WWII, Korea, and Nam. Military people
gripe, it keeps us aware of the situation.
I joined the military when I was eighteen. I didn't really want to go
to war, but wanted to get my life on a different track and a judge
thought that would be a good idea (there wasn't a war when I enlisted,
but six months later there was). Sandy environment doesn't sound too bad
(but where I was, water was very plentiful). We couldn't get a 'heart by
going on sick call (ala Kerry), corpsmen made the call 'Nuff of that
(the devil made me do it).
Don't sell reservists short. Unlike regulars, they have a very
mainstream life; just like real civilians. They buy houses, have
children, start businesses, change jobs, etc. They don't get up every
morning in a barracks with the next four years planned for them. They
give up a hell of a lot more than we regulars ever did. We knew what was
in the offing. A reservist goes to drills and doesn't really think about
activation because 'it probably won't happen'. When it happens they and
their families live with it.
Served with some reservists. They were the same Marines.
Hank
Hey you still drooling shit? Yup looks like ya dribbled on your tshirt
again.
"J T" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> Thu, Jan 19, 2006, 3:00am (EST+5) [email protected]
> (1968.9.44.64) doth burble something:
> <snipped all>
>
> Hi there Buttercup, from the subject, I figured you'd head the
> list.
>
> Hard to understand just what you're trying to say there. You just
> list a bunch of people who have, and not, had military service. I'm
> guessing the Republicans and Democrats are all politicians. Then those
> that're left are not. Are you impling that they "all" disrespect our
> serviceman, and women, in Iraq? You even list Ronald Reagan, but he
> seems to have died. That alone makes the credibility of your list
> suspect. What'd you do, just copy someone else's list?
>
> I "was" amused by you listing the infamous Mass Senator Kennedy's
> two years of military service - he couldn't even do that right.
> http://www.nndb.com/people/623/000023554/
>
> You don't even have to ask, I spent time in Nam. And, no I do not
> disrespect any of our servicepeople in Iraq, nor any of the other
> military over there - just so it's clear.
>
>
>
> JOAT
> If you can't say anything nice about someone, you must be talking about
> Hilary Clinton.
>
you are dumber then shit...............
"J T" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> Thu, Jan 19, 2006, 3:03pm (EST+5) [email protected] (2001.9.11.9.45) hath
> burbled some stuff I snipped:
> <snip>
>
> That you Buttercup? With a new e-mail address? Server dumped you?
> Not sure if it's you or not. You're certainly not showing any more
> imagination than before, so I'm thinking you're the same person. On the
> other hand, you are using caps and pnctuation. Not that I'm really
> interested, it's still typical troll stuff - dull, boring, and "nots" -
> not interesting, not amusing, not original, and so on. It has been
> mildly entertaining, but not enough to merit continuing this dialog.
> You have a nice next life.
>
>
>
> JOAT
> If you can't say anything nice about someone, you must be talking about
> Hilary Clinton.
>
Thu, Jan 19, 2006, 3:03pm (EST+5) [email protected] (2001.9.11.9.45) hath
burbled some stuff I snipped:
<snip>
That you Buttercup? With a new e-mail address? Server dumped you?
Not sure if it's you or not. You're certainly not showing any more
imagination than before, so I'm thinking you're the same person. On the
other hand, you are using caps and pnctuation. Not that I'm really
interested, it's still typical troll stuff - dull, boring, and "nots" -
not interesting, not amusing, not original, and so on. It has been
mildly entertaining, but not enough to merit continuing this dialog.
You have a nice next life.
JOAT
If you can't say anything nice about someone, you must be talking about
Hilary Clinton.
See I left another turd.............. smile Upturd~
"Upscale" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> That's all you really know isn't it, how to curse and swear? And the
> really sad part is that you do that poorly too. There's no logic or
> reason to your discourse, just a pile of cursing and abusive language.
> I'd call you senile, but you're long past that level of interaction.
>
> What does it feel like to be the poster boy for lack of education and
> how to be low in life? Your family whom I feel sorry for, must cringe
> at the thought of you. I can just envision it during the holidays.
> "Damn, it's time to visit uncle curse-a-lot again. Well, we'll say hi
> and leave as soon as possible."
>
Stop feeding the troll, and maybe he'll crawl back under his bridge and stop
bothering people....
Then again, perhaps not - thank God for 'kill-file'!
A question for the more intellectual patrons of this group:
Have people that join the Armed Forces (the majority obviously purely for
the various benefits available), forgotten that if one voluntarily joins the
military one may actually be required to wage war at some stage?
I have just spent 2 years in a certain rather sandy environment, being paid
by Uncle Sam to assist in "the war against terror". Nearly all the
servicemen and women that I spoke with expressed dismay that, after signing
up for (amongst others) primarily educational and medical benefits, they
actually had to go to war.
Truly incredible, as far as I am concerned. Another example of people who
are unwilling to make a sacrifice for the country that has given them
opportunities unavailable anywhere else in the world.
Back to lurk-mode.....
"Upscale" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> That's all you really know isn't it, how to curse and swear? And the
> really sad part is that you do that poorly too. There's no logic or
> reason to your discourse, just a pile of cursing and abusive language.
> I'd call you senile, but you're long past that level of interaction.
>
> What does it feel like to be the poster boy for lack of education and
> how to be low in life? Your family whom I feel sorry for, must cringe
> at the thought of you. I can just envision it during the holidays.
> "Damn, it's time to visit uncle curse-a-lot again. Well, we'll say hi
> and leave as soon as possible."
>