<[email protected]> wrote:
> On Fri, 15 Nov 2013 22:48:31 -0500, [email protected] wrote:
>>>>>>> And that is because the Americans have been first in line in defending
>>>>>>> the world. What will the rest of the world do when the Americans don't
>>>>>>> have the balls any more to look out for the under dog?
>
> Whichever way that people think about the supposed arrogance of the
> US, as a Canadian, I'm glad we share the longest undefended border in
> the world. Well, it was that way until Sept. 11, 2001, when some walls
> went up. But, we're still good neighbours and I know that the US would
> be right there to help us in time of great strife.
+3
On Wed, 13 Nov 2013 19:13:59 -0600, Swingman <[email protected]> wrote:
>On 11/13/2013 6:45 PM, Michael wrote:
>> Knowing what I know now, I would strongly discourage my kid from playing.
>
>How totally asinine and illogical, to even attempt to equate the contact
>in Pop Warner, with the contact in the NFL.
>
>Coddle the little yuppie spawn and raise another generation of
>incapable, progressive thinking girlymen.
They aren't even allowed to play in the dirt.
>How about better helmet designs, for starters?
There is one school of thought that blames the (too good) helmets and
pads for the rise in injuries. They allow one to use one's body as a
weapon without risk to the aggressor. There are a lot of injuries in
rugby but few life-threatening ones.
>This country is fucking toast ...
Indeed it is.
On 11/13/2013 7:26 PM, Lew Hodgett wrote:
> "Swingman" wrote:
>
>> How about better helmet designs, for starters?
> ----------------------------------
> Won't solve the problem of concussions.
>
> The brain floats in the skull.
>
> As a result, a helment protects the skull but not the brain.
"Experts" say that, but "experts" said the same about lobotomies being
good for man.
You will note that most of the headlines stipulate that "brand" of
helmets will not prevent concussions, "or "likely" never will" ... IOW,
the 'click through for revenue' reports are arguably mostly conjecture.
Technology will prevail.
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On Thu, 14 Nov 2013 08:02:33 -0600, Leon <lcb11211@swbelldotnet>
wrote:
>On 11/13/2013 8:00 PM, -MIKE- wrote:
>> On 11/13/13, 7:13 PM, Swingman wrote:
>>> On 11/13/2013 6:45 PM, Michael wrote:
>>>> Knowing what I know now, I would strongly discourage my kid from
>>>> playing.
>>>
>>> How totally asinine and illogical, to even attempt to equate the contact
>>> in Pop Warner, with the contact in the NFL.
>>>
>>> Coddle the little yuppie spawn and raise another generation of
>>> incapable, progressive thinking girlymen.
>>>
>>> How about better helmet designs, for starters?
>>>
>>> This country is fucking toast ...
>>>
>>
>> Agreed.
>> Add to that the fact that they are probably giving everyone a trophy.
>>
>>
>
>
>You two have taken the words right out of my mouth!
With all the tree-huggers, the animal rights activists, the global
warming proponents, the "it's for the children" hand-wringers and the
government knows best loons doing everything they can to protect us
(read, idiots) from ourselves they have forgotten one major point. The
more they protect us from ourselves the more diluted the gene pool
becomes. The end result will be a new and improved breed of idiots
that will need even more protection.
Leon is totally right unless this wussification is stopped.
On Thu, 14 Nov 2013 08:40:33 -0600, Swingman <[email protected]> wrote:
>As expected ... luv you anyway, Bubba! ;)
You're not getting off that easy buddy. Make all the jokes you want,
but anyway you slice it, there's a problem somewhere with any sports
where concussions can and should be expected.
Please, I haven't advocated changing, canceling or doing anything to
those sports, just pointed out a notable problem.
"Leon" <lcb11211@swbelldotnet> wrote
>
> Jeez, might as well withdraw from sex too. That is a sport/exercise that
> does not use a helmet at all and with all of the heads being banged
> against the head board there are sure to be thousands of unreported brain
> injuries.
>
Leon, Don't let those Kalifornia folks find out about this "Safety Measure"!
They are currently considering legislation that will not only require all
porn actors in the state to wear condoms (how do they put condoms on
women?), but eye protection too. Yep, soon in Kalifornia, you need safety
glasses to do the horizontal dance. Add a helmet to the mix, I think most
people would just abstain. Can't get too excited with all that safety gear.
Leon <lcb11211@swbelldotnet> wrote in
news:[email protected]:
>
> My new favorite line is that when we get all this political
> correctness ironed out and every one has his trophy we will need to
> fear an invasion from France, a country that does not invade. They
> will do it just to see if they can, and they will be successful.
>
I'll get MY trophy then, for hiding in a closet!
Do I get a big one for being the biggest coward?
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On 11/14/2013 03:36 PM, Larry W wrote:
> One thing that is becoming quite apparent is that many people who post
> on rec.woodworking must have played tackle football at some point in
> their lives...
>
>
I did play HS and semi-pro football and not sure about concussions, but
on the bus home after a game, I did have to ask a team mate "who won the
game?". Other than that, the only injuries I sustained were a broken
neck, various broken fingers, cleat gouges clear to the shin bones and
dislocated shoulders. Ah, those were he days...
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On 11/16/2013 04:30 PM, Swingman wrote:
> On 11/15/2013 5:44 PM, Tim Daneliuk wrote:
>
>> I often agree with your views, but not in this case.
>
> Subject = "Pop Warner", nothing else:
>
> http://www.popwarner.com/football/footballsafety.htm
>
Once again, the problem is not the injury rate. It's the fact that
head and joint trauma are *cumulative* and ought to be avoided, particularly
in young, growing children.
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On Wednesday, November 13, 2013 6:45:55 PM UTC-6, Michael wrote:
> http://espn.go.com/espn/otl/story/_/page/popwarner/pop-warner-youth-football-participation-drops-nfl-concussion-crisis-seen-causal-factor
>
>
>
> Knowing what I know now, I would strongly discourage my kid from playing.
Wrong newsgroup. Sorry. Do with the post what you will.
On 11/13/2013 7:36 PM, Swingman wrote:
> On 11/13/2013 7:26 PM, Lew Hodgett wrote:
>> "Swingman" wrote:
>>
>>> How about better helmet designs, for starters?
>> ----------------------------------
>> Won't solve the problem of concussions.
>>
>> The brain floats in the skull.
>>
>> As a result, a helment protects the skull but not the brain.
>
> "Experts" say that, but "experts" said the same about lobotomies being
> good for man.
Jeez, might as well withdraw from sex too. That is a sport/exercise
that does not use a helmet at all and with all of the heads being banged
against the head board there are sure to be thousands of unreported
brain injuries.
On 11/13/2013 8:00 PM, -MIKE- wrote:
> On 11/13/13, 7:13 PM, Swingman wrote:
>> On 11/13/2013 6:45 PM, Michael wrote:
>>> Knowing what I know now, I would strongly discourage my kid from
>>> playing.
>>
>> How totally asinine and illogical, to even attempt to equate the contact
>> in Pop Warner, with the contact in the NFL.
>>
>> Coddle the little yuppie spawn and raise another generation of
>> incapable, progressive thinking girlymen.
>>
>> How about better helmet designs, for starters?
>>
>> This country is fucking toast ...
>>
>
> Agreed.
> Add to that the fact that they are probably giving everyone a trophy.
>
>
You two have taken the words right out of my mouth!
On 11/13/2013 6:45 PM, Michael wrote:
> Knowing what I know now, I would strongly discourage my kid from playing.
How totally asinine and illogical, to even attempt to equate the contact
in Pop Warner, with the contact in the NFL.
Coddle the little yuppie spawn and raise another generation of
incapable, progressive thinking girlymen.
How about better helmet designs, for starters?
This country is fucking toast ...
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On Fri, 15 Nov 2013 22:48:31 -0500, [email protected] wrote:
>>>>>> And that is because the Americans have been first in line in defending
>>>>>> the world. What will the rest of the world do when the Americans don't
>>>>>> have the balls any more to look out for the under dog?
Whichever way that people think about the supposed arrogance of the
US, as a Canadian, I'm glad we share the longest undefended border in
the world. Well, it was that way until Sept. 11, 2001, when some walls
went up. But, we're still good neighbours and I know that the US would
be right there to help us in time of great strife.
On 11/15/2013 9:20 AM, Scott Lurndal wrote:
> Leon <lcb11211@swbelldotnet> writes:
>> On 11/14/2013 1:23 PM, scritch wrote:
>>>> With all the tree-huggers, the animal rights activists, the global
>>>> warming proponents, the "it's for the children" hand-wringers and the
>>>> government knows best loons doing everything they can to protect us
>>>> (read, idiots) from ourselves they have forgotten one major point. The
>>>> more they protect us from ourselves the more diluted the gene pool
>>>> becomes. The end result will be a new and improved breed of idiots
>>>> that will need even more protection.
>>>>
>>>> Leon is totally right unless this wussification is stopped.
>>>>
>>>
>>> Regardless of how "wussified" you think Americans are becoming, the rest
>>> of the industrialized world generally reports as being happier in
>>> general, and they live longer and in better health than we do.
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>> And that is because the Americans have been first in line in defending
>> the world. What will the rest of the world do when the Americans don't
>> have the balls any more to look out for the under dog?
>
> Defending the world against what? Aliens? Typhoons?
>
Obviously your head is still in the sand.
On 11/14/2013 1:23 PM, scritch wrote:
> Regardless of how "wussified" you think Americans are becoming, the rest
> of the industrialized world generally reports as being happier in
> general, and they live longer and in better health than we do.
All the more reason to return to those values that enabled us to bailout
"the rest of the industrialized world" when they couldn't do it themselves.
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Leon <lcb11211@swbelldotnet> writes:
>On 11/15/2013 9:20 AM, Scott Lurndal wrote:
>> Leon <lcb11211@swbelldotnet> writes:
>>> On 11/14/2013 1:23 PM, scritch wrote:
>>>>> With all the tree-huggers, the animal rights activists, the global
>>>>> warming proponents, the "it's for the children" hand-wringers and the
>>>>> government knows best loons doing everything they can to protect us
>>>>> (read, idiots) from ourselves they have forgotten one major point. The
>>>>> more they protect us from ourselves the more diluted the gene pool
>>>>> becomes. The end result will be a new and improved breed of idiots
>>>>> that will need even more protection.
>>>>>
>>>>> Leon is totally right unless this wussification is stopped.
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Regardless of how "wussified" you think Americans are becoming, the rest
>>>> of the industrialized world generally reports as being happier in
>>>> general, and they live longer and in better health than we do.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> And that is because the Americans have been first in line in defending
>>> the world. What will the rest of the world do when the Americans don't
>>> have the balls any more to look out for the under dog?
>>
>> Defending the world against what? Aliens? Typhoons?
>>
>
>
>Obviously your head is still in the sand.
No, I just don't buy into the "American Exceptionalism" that you seem
to believe makes America superior to the rest of the world.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/American_exceptionalism
There's no doubt that the US had a key role in winning WWI and WWII.
Since then, the US record has been spotty, to say the least. Particularly
in the 21st century.
But, you are an avowed republican, so you'll ignore everything counter
to the 21st century republican ethos as some "liberal nonsense".
Talk about head in the sand.
On 11/15/2013 5:44 PM, Tim Daneliuk wrote:
> I often agree with your views, but not in this case.
Subject = "Pop Warner", nothing else:
http://www.popwarner.com/football/footballsafety.htm
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On 11/14/2013 8:38 AM, Swingman wrote:
> On 11/14/2013 8:08 AM, Leon wrote:
>
>> Jeez, might as well withdraw from sex too. That is a sport/exercise
>> that does not use a helmet at all and with all of the heads being banged
>> against the head board there are sure to be thousands of unreported
>> brain injuries.
>
> LOL ... this actually happened to a guy who worked for me in the O&G
> business. Jim in with a cut on his temple one morning and we found out,
> through his brother, a co-worker who shared an apartment with him, that
> Jim hit his head on the night stand while banging his girl friend, also
> a co-worker.
>
> Of course when we found out what happened, we made sure both of them
> made it to our usual lunch gathering and presented them with a gift
> wrapped football helmet.
>
> She thought it was hilarious ... didn't even have a red face.
>
If "he" was the one that got hurt, which one was on top? LOL
On 11/14/2013 8:38 AM, [email protected] wrote:
> On Thu, 14 Nov 2013 08:08:01 -0600, Leon <lcb11211@swbelldotnet>
>> Jeez, might as well withdraw from sex too. That is a sport/exercise
>> that does not use a helmet at all and with all of the heads being banged
>> against the head board there are sure to be thousands of unreported
>> brain injuries.
>
> Obviously, all you testosterone junkies feel that contact sports are a
> necessary and needed part of growing up. While I can agree up to a
> point, you're dismissing the fact that concussions can and do
> regularly happen and can be a very debilitating injury.
>
> Your flippant reply is completely ignoring that fact and not on par
> with your usually informative postings.
>
Despite what many think, I am not an expert in all matters. ;~)
Actually I could care less about foot ball, socker, boxing, tennis, all
those contact sports but I don't believe that my lack of interest should
govern others interests.
On 11/14/2013 11:53 AM, Gordon Shumway wrote:
> On Thu, 14 Nov 2013 08:02:33 -0600, Leon <lcb11211@swbelldotnet>
> wrote:
>
>> On 11/13/2013 8:00 PM, -MIKE- wrote:
>>> On 11/13/13, 7:13 PM, Swingman wrote:
>>>> On 11/13/2013 6:45 PM, Michael wrote:
>>>>> Knowing what I know now, I would strongly discourage my kid from
>>>>> playing.
>>>>
>>>> How totally asinine and illogical, to even attempt to equate the contact
>>>> in Pop Warner, with the contact in the NFL.
>>>>
>>>> Coddle the little yuppie spawn and raise another generation of
>>>> incapable, progressive thinking girlymen.
>>>>
>>>> How about better helmet designs, for starters?
>>>>
>>>> This country is fucking toast ...
>>>>
>>>
>>> Agreed.
>>> Add to that the fact that they are probably giving everyone a trophy.
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>> You two have taken the words right out of my mouth!
>
> With all the tree-huggers, the animal rights activists, the global
> warming proponents, the "it's for the children" hand-wringers and the
> government knows best loons doing everything they can to protect us
> (read, idiots) from ourselves they have forgotten one major point. The
> more they protect us from ourselves the more diluted the gene pool
> becomes. The end result will be a new and improved breed of idiots
> that will need even more protection.
>
> Leon is totally right unless this wussification is stopped.
>
My new favorite line is that when we get all this political correctness
ironed out and every one has his trophy we will need to fear an invasion
from France, a country that does not invade. They will do it just to
see if they can, and they will be successful.
On Thu, 14 Nov 2013 12:28:31 -0600, Leon <lcb11211@swbelldotnet>
>My new favorite line is that when we get all this political correctness
>ironed out and every one has his trophy we will need to fear an invasion
>from France, a country that does not invade. They will do it just to
>see if they can, and they will be successful.
Well, you don't have to worry about France invading and cleaning out
your workshop. I'll invade it first.
On 11/14/2013 4:36 PM, Larry W wrote:
> One thing that is becoming quite apparent is that many people who post
> on rec.woodworking must have played tackle football at some point in
> their lives...
>
>
Never played tackle, played touch football bare footed "in the street".
Sometimes a touch is all it took to crash and burn on the gravel on
asphalt surface. In hind site that was probably worse than being
tackled on grass.
On 11/14/2013 1:23 PM, scritch wrote:
>> With all the tree-huggers, the animal rights activists, the global
>> warming proponents, the "it's for the children" hand-wringers and the
>> government knows best loons doing everything they can to protect us
>> (read, idiots) from ourselves they have forgotten one major point. The
>> more they protect us from ourselves the more diluted the gene pool
>> becomes. The end result will be a new and improved breed of idiots
>> that will need even more protection.
>>
>> Leon is totally right unless this wussification is stopped.
>>
>
> Regardless of how "wussified" you think Americans are becoming, the rest
> of the industrialized world generally reports as being happier in
> general, and they live longer and in better health than we do.
>
>
And that is because the Americans have been first in line in defending
the world. What will the rest of the world do when the Americans don't
have the balls any more to look out for the under dog?
Leon <lcb11211@swbelldotnet> writes:
>On 11/14/2013 1:23 PM, scritch wrote:
>>> With all the tree-huggers, the animal rights activists, the global
>>> warming proponents, the "it's for the children" hand-wringers and the
>>> government knows best loons doing everything they can to protect us
>>> (read, idiots) from ourselves they have forgotten one major point. The
>>> more they protect us from ourselves the more diluted the gene pool
>>> becomes. The end result will be a new and improved breed of idiots
>>> that will need even more protection.
>>>
>>> Leon is totally right unless this wussification is stopped.
>>>
>>
>> Regardless of how "wussified" you think Americans are becoming, the rest
>> of the industrialized world generally reports as being happier in
>> general, and they live longer and in better health than we do.
>>
>>
>
>
>And that is because the Americans have been first in line in defending
>the world. What will the rest of the world do when the Americans don't
>have the balls any more to look out for the under dog?
Defending the world against what? Aliens? Typhoons?
On 11/14/2013 8:38 AM, [email protected] wrote:
> Your flippant reply is completely ignoring that fact and not on par
> with your usually informative postings.
As expected ... luv you anyway, Bubba! ;)
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On 11/14/2013 8:08 AM, Leon wrote:
> Jeez, might as well withdraw from sex too. That is a sport/exercise
> that does not use a helmet at all and with all of the heads being banged
> against the head board there are sure to be thousands of unreported
> brain injuries.
LOL ... this actually happened to a guy who worked for me in the O&G
business. Jim in with a cut on his temple one morning and we found out,
through his brother, a co-worker who shared an apartment with him, that
Jim hit his head on the night stand while banging his girl friend, also
a co-worker.
Of course when we found out what happened, we made sure both of them
made it to our usual lunch gathering and presented them with a gift
wrapped football helmet.
She thought it was hilarious ... didn't even have a red face.
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On Sat, 16 Nov 2013 22:25:13 -0500, "Mike Marlow"
>Yes - the problem is the injury rate. If there is no injury rate in a given
>level of a sport, the then effects at other levels of that sport -
>cumulative or not, are irrelevant. That's where a little common sense comes
>into play.
No, you're not understanding what the information is saying. The
injury rate you're referring to only records what can immediately be
seen. The head trauma being discussed does not show up for some time.
It is an injury, just that it can't be seen or recognized as such in
its early stages.
The biggest problem with this type of head trauma is that it can and
often does have a catastrophic effect later in life ~ much more so
than some effect that might be noticed as an injury and qualify for
your early injury rate.
On 14 Nov 2013 18:49:18 GMT, Puckdropper
<puckdropper(at)yahoo(dot)com> wrote:
>Leon <lcb11211@swbelldotnet> wrote in
>news:[email protected]:
>
>>
>> My new favorite line is that when we get all this political
>> correctness ironed out and every one has his trophy we will need to
>> fear an invasion from France, a country that does not invade. They
>> will do it just to see if they can, and they will be successful.
>>
>
>I'll get MY trophy then, for hiding in a closet!
>
>Do I get a big one for being the biggest coward?
I think you get the Order of DeGaulle medal.
On 11/13/13, 7:13 PM, Swingman wrote:
> On 11/13/2013 6:45 PM, Michael wrote:
>> Knowing what I know now, I would strongly discourage my kid from playing.
>
> How totally asinine and illogical, to even attempt to equate the contact
> in Pop Warner, with the contact in the NFL.
>
> Coddle the little yuppie spawn and raise another generation of
> incapable, progressive thinking girlymen.
>
> How about better helmet designs, for starters?
>
> This country is fucking toast ...
>
Agreed.
Add to that the fact that they are probably giving everyone a trophy.
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On Sat, 16 Nov 2013 03:03:31 -0500, [email protected] wrote:
>On Fri, 15 Nov 2013 22:48:31 -0500, [email protected] wrote:
>>>>>>> And that is because the Americans have been first in line in defending
>>>>>>> the world. What will the rest of the world do when the Americans don't
>>>>>>> have the balls any more to look out for the under dog?
>
>Whichever way that people think about the supposed arrogance of the
>US, as a Canadian, I'm glad we share the longest undefended border in
>the world. Well, it was that way until Sept. 11, 2001, when some walls
>went up. But, we're still good neighbours and I know that the US would
>be right there to help us in time of great strife.
You betcha. Paranoia has caused all sorts of silliness. TSA, anyone?
Maybe a couple of Lag Bolts through the helmet, to secure the brain?
john
"Lew Hodgett" wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
"Swingman" wrote:
> How about better helmet designs, for starters?
----------------------------------
Won't solve the problem of concussions.
The brain floats in the skull.
As a result, a helment protects the skull but not the brain.
Lew
> With all the tree-huggers, the animal rights activists, the global
> warming proponents, the "it's for the children" hand-wringers and the
> government knows best loons doing everything they can to protect us
> (read, idiots) from ourselves they have forgotten one major point. The
> more they protect us from ourselves the more diluted the gene pool
> becomes. The end result will be a new and improved breed of idiots
> that will need even more protection.
>
> Leon is totally right unless this wussification is stopped.
>
Regardless of how "wussified" you think Americans are becoming, the rest
of the industrialized world generally reports as being happier in
general, and they live longer and in better health than we do.
In article <[email protected]>,
Leon <lcb11211@swbelldotnet> wrote:
>On 11/13/2013 7:36 PM, Swingman wrote:
>> On 11/13/2013 7:26 PM, Lew Hodgett wrote:
>>> "Swingman" wrote:
>>>
>>>> How about better helmet designs, for starters?
>>> ----------------------------------
>>> Won't solve the problem of concussions.
>>>
>>> The brain floats in the skull.
>>>
>>> As a result, a helment protects the skull but not the brain.
>>
>> "Experts" say that, but "experts" said the same about lobotomies being
>> good for man.
>
>
>Jeez, might as well withdraw from sex too. That is a sport/exercise
>that does not use a helmet at all and with all of the heads being banged
>against the head board there are sure to be thousands of unreported
>brain injuries.
In my younger days I was certainly temporarily left senseless in the
aftermath on more than one occasion...
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One thing that is becoming quite apparent is that many people who post
on rec.woodworking must have played tackle football at some point in
their lives...
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with the average voter. (Winston Churchill)
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Gordon Shumway wrote:
>
> With all the tree-huggers, the animal rights activists, the global
> warming proponents, the "it's for the children" hand-wringers and the
> government knows best loons doing everything they can to protect us
> (read, idiots) from ourselves they have forgotten one major point. The
> more they protect us from ourselves the more diluted the gene pool
> becomes. The end result will be a new and improved breed of idiots
> that will need even more protection.
>
The "end result" is already visible in our lives. It exists in the current
crop of parents of the future generation of even greater idiots.
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Doug Winterburn wrote:
> On 11/14/2013 03:36 PM, Larry W wrote:
>> One thing that is becoming quite apparent is that many people who
>> post on rec.woodworking must have played tackle football at some
>> point in their lives...
>>
>>
> I did play HS and semi-pro football and not sure about concussions,
> but on the bus home after a game, I did have to ask a team mate "who
> won the game?". Other than that, the only injuries I sustained were
> a broken neck, various broken fingers, cleat gouges clear to the shin
> bones and dislocated shoulders. Ah, those were he days...
I wasn't asking teamates anything. I was asking cheerleaders - and I didn't
have to ask what to ask them...
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scritch wrote:
>> With all the tree-huggers, the animal rights activists, the global
>> warming proponents, the "it's for the children" hand-wringers and the
>> government knows best loons doing everything they can to protect us
>> (read, idiots) from ourselves they have forgotten one major point.
>> The more they protect us from ourselves the more diluted the gene
>> pool becomes. The end result will be a new and improved breed of
>> idiots that will need even more protection.
>>
>> Leon is totally right unless this wussification is stopped.
>>
>
> Regardless of how "wussified" you think Americans are becoming, the
> rest of the industrialized world generally reports as being happier in
> general, and they live longer and in better health than we do.
Refernces? In other words - Bullshit.
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Swingman wrote:
> On 11/14/2013 1:23 PM, scritch wrote:
>
>> Regardless of how "wussified" you think Americans are becoming, the
>> rest of the industrialized world generally reports as being happier
>> in general, and they live longer and in better health than we do.
>
> All the more reason to return to those values that enabled us to
> bailout "the rest of the industrialized world" when they couldn't do
> it themselves.
And - how much even happier they were when we did it. I guess their
happiness is what it's all about.
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Leon wrote:
> On 11/14/2013 1:23 PM, scritch wrote:
>>> With all the tree-huggers, the animal rights activists, the global
>>> warming proponents, the "it's for the children" hand-wringers and
>>> the government knows best loons doing everything they can to
>>> protect us (read, idiots) from ourselves they have forgotten one
>>> major point. The more they protect us from ourselves the more
>>> diluted the gene pool becomes. The end result will be a new and
>>> improved breed of idiots that will need even more protection.
>>>
>>> Leon is totally right unless this wussification is stopped.
>>>
>>
>> Regardless of how "wussified" you think Americans are becoming, the
>> rest of the industrialized world generally reports as being happier
>> in general, and they live longer and in better health than we do.
>>
>>
>
>
> And that is because the Americans have been first in line in defending
> the world. What will the rest of the world do when the Americans
> don't have the balls any more to look out for the under dog?
They'll be stepping up in-turn to cry "unfair" now that they don't have a
big brother to protect their "happiness".
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Tim Daneliuk wrote:
> On 11/16/2013 04:30 PM, Swingman wrote:
>> On 11/15/2013 5:44 PM, Tim Daneliuk wrote:
>>
>>> I often agree with your views, but not in this case.
>>
>> Subject = "Pop Warner", nothing else:
>>
>> http://www.popwarner.com/football/footballsafety.htm
>>
>
>
> Once again, the problem is not the injury rate. It's the fact that
> head and joint trauma are *cumulative* and ought to be avoided,
> particularly in young, growing children.
Yes - the problem is the injury rate. If there is no injury rate in a given
level of a sport, the then effects at other levels of that sport -
cumulative or not, are irrelevant. That's where a little common sense comes
into play.
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[email protected] wrote:
> On Sat, 16 Nov 2013 22:25:13 -0500, "Mike Marlow"
>> Yes - the problem is the injury rate. If there is no injury rate in
>> a given level of a sport, the then effects at other levels of that
>> sport - cumulative or not, are irrelevant. That's where a little
>> common sense comes into play.
>
> No, you're not understanding what the information is saying. The
> injury rate you're referring to only records what can immediately be
> seen. The head trauma being discussed does not show up for some time.
> It is an injury, just that it can't be seen or recognized as such in
> its early stages.
I went back and looked at the article again. It really does not say that in
that manner. Head traumas like concussions do have immediately visible
indicators, however you are correct in that multiple occurrances of these
traumas can have a cumulative effect that appears later in life. As stated
in the article though, there is less science and more emotional reaction
going on right now. Not to minimize concussions, but they are visible and
there is a prescribed course of action should one occur. A simple
concussion does not just lead to later issues as implied.
>
> The biggest problem with this type of head trauma is that it can and
> often does have a catastrophic effect later in life ~ much more so
> than some effect that might be noticed as an injury and qualify for
> your early injury rate.
That's the point of the article - there is no evidence that it often does.
Take a second look at the article.
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[email protected] wrote:
> On Sun, 17 Nov 2013 08:30:57 -0500, "Mike Marlow"
>> That's the point of the article - there is no evidence that it often
>> does. Take a second look at the article.
>
> That's just one article. There's many articles and examples to the
> contrary. Consider Muhammid Ali. He's been diagnosed with Parkinson's
> syndrome, a condition which is often associated with boxers.
I do not disagree with that but the Mayo Clinic does not suggest the degree
of alarm that was raised by the one article. Certainly - guys like Ali
represent the seriousness of prolonged injury, but that is not the point
that has been challenged.
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On 11/16/2013 5:25 PM, Tim Daneliuk wrote:
> On 11/16/2013 04:30 PM, Swingman wrote:
>> On 11/15/2013 5:44 PM, Tim Daneliuk wrote:
>>
>>> I often agree with your views, but not in this case.
>>
>> Subject = "Pop Warner", nothing else:
>>
>> http://www.popwarner.com/football/footballsafety.htm
>
> Once again, the problem is not the injury rate.
Once again, I did not state that it was.
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On 11/13/2013 07:13 PM, Swingman wrote:
> On 11/13/2013 6:45 PM, Michael wrote:
>> Knowing what I know now, I would strongly discourage my kid from playing.
>
> How totally asinine and illogical, to even attempt to equate the contact in Pop Warner, with the contact in the NFL.
>
> Coddle the little yuppie spawn and raise another generation of incapable, progressive thinking girlymen.
>
> How about better helmet designs, for starters?
>
> This country is fucking toast ...
>
I often agree with your views, but not in this case. Concussion damage
is cumulative. So is a lot of joint damage. What you're not understanding
is that - even at these fairly low levels of play - there is intense
competitiveness, the kids are getting bigger and faster, and the long term
harm they're enduring is very real. The kids playing High School football
today would have been the equal (in size and speed) of a college player
a few decades ago, and possibly a pro from a few decades before that.
It is flatly irresponsible - bordering on child abuse - to expose younger
children to this kind of cumulative damage. If it makes you feel better,
I feel the same way about letting said yuppie spawn play soccer and
field the ball with their foreheads. Ditto Rugby.
That said, the biggest harm for the upper levels of play - High School,
College, and Pro - is the *presence* of plastic helmets. A good many
concussions are a consequence of these players being coached to use
their helmets as weapons. I heard a guy on the radio who had played
in the days of the leather headgear who said concussions were fairly
rare in his day because that kind of head-as-a-weapon playing simply
wasn't possible with leather "helmets".
Then there's the thug factor of the modern pro game that has diminished
the sport to the point of unwatchability. I'd don't think I've seen
5 games in 10 years and I don't miss it. There are far better things
to do than watching gangbangers legally beat each other into an
early grave ...
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On Fri, 15 Nov 2013 12:40:31 -0600, Leon <lcb11211@swbelldotnet>
wrote:
>On 11/15/2013 12:05 PM, Scott Lurndal wrote:
>> Leon <lcb11211@swbelldotnet> writes:
>>> On 11/15/2013 9:20 AM, Scott Lurndal wrote:
>>>> Leon <lcb11211@swbelldotnet> writes:
>>>>> On 11/14/2013 1:23 PM, scritch wrote:
>>>>>>> With all the tree-huggers, the animal rights activists, the global
>>>>>>> warming proponents, the "it's for the children" hand-wringers and the
>>>>>>> government knows best loons doing everything they can to protect us
>>>>>>> (read, idiots) from ourselves they have forgotten one major point. The
>>>>>>> more they protect us from ourselves the more diluted the gene pool
>>>>>>> becomes. The end result will be a new and improved breed of idiots
>>>>>>> that will need even more protection.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Leon is totally right unless this wussification is stopped.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Regardless of how "wussified" you think Americans are becoming, the rest
>>>>>> of the industrialized world generally reports as being happier in
>>>>>> general, and they live longer and in better health than we do.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> And that is because the Americans have been first in line in defending
>>>>> the world. What will the rest of the world do when the Americans don't
>>>>> have the balls any more to look out for the under dog?
>>>>
>>>> Defending the world against what? Aliens? Typhoons?
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Obviously your head is still in the sand.
>>
>>
>> No, I just don't buy into the "American Exceptionalism" that you seem
>> to believe makes America superior to the rest of the world.
>>
>> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/American_exceptionalism
>>
>> There's no doubt that the US had a key role in winning WWI and WWII.
>>
>> Since then, the US record has been spotty, to say the least. Particularly
>> in the 21st century.
>>
>> But, you are an avowed republican, so you'll ignore everything counter
>> to the 21st century republican ethos as some "liberal nonsense".
>>
>> Talk about head in the sand.
>>
>
>Snore
+1
Scott is a charter member of the blame-America-first crowd.
On Sun, 17 Nov 2013 08:30:57 -0500, "Mike Marlow"
>That's the point of the article - there is no evidence that it often does.
>Take a second look at the article.
That's just one article. There's many articles and examples to the
contrary. Consider Muhammid Ali. He's been diagnosed with Parkinson's
syndrome, a condition which is often associated with boxers.
On 11/14/2013 12:44 PM, [email protected] wrote:
> On Thu, 14 Nov 2013 12:28:31 -0600, Leon <lcb11211@swbelldotnet>
>> My new favorite line is that when we get all this political correctness
>> ironed out and every one has his trophy we will need to fear an invasion
>>from France, a country that does not invade. They will do it just to
>> see if they can, and they will be successful.
>
> Well, you don't have to worry about France invading and cleaning out
> your workshop. I'll invade it first.
>
;~)
On Thu, 14 Nov 2013 08:08:01 -0600, Leon <lcb11211@swbelldotnet>
>Jeez, might as well withdraw from sex too. That is a sport/exercise
>that does not use a helmet at all and with all of the heads being banged
>against the head board there are sure to be thousands of unreported
>brain injuries.
Obviously, all you testosterone junkies feel that contact sports are a
necessary and needed part of growing up. While I can agree up to a
point, you're dismissing the fact that concussions can and do
regularly happen and can be a very debilitating injury.
Your flippant reply is completely ignoring that fact and not on par
with your usually informative postings.
On 11/15/2013 12:05 PM, Scott Lurndal wrote:
> Leon <lcb11211@swbelldotnet> writes:
>> On 11/15/2013 9:20 AM, Scott Lurndal wrote:
>>> Leon <lcb11211@swbelldotnet> writes:
>>>> On 11/14/2013 1:23 PM, scritch wrote:
>>>>>> With all the tree-huggers, the animal rights activists, the global
>>>>>> warming proponents, the "it's for the children" hand-wringers and the
>>>>>> government knows best loons doing everything they can to protect us
>>>>>> (read, idiots) from ourselves they have forgotten one major point. The
>>>>>> more they protect us from ourselves the more diluted the gene pool
>>>>>> becomes. The end result will be a new and improved breed of idiots
>>>>>> that will need even more protection.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Leon is totally right unless this wussification is stopped.
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Regardless of how "wussified" you think Americans are becoming, the rest
>>>>> of the industrialized world generally reports as being happier in
>>>>> general, and they live longer and in better health than we do.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> And that is because the Americans have been first in line in defending
>>>> the world. What will the rest of the world do when the Americans don't
>>>> have the balls any more to look out for the under dog?
>>>
>>> Defending the world against what? Aliens? Typhoons?
>>>
>>
>>
>> Obviously your head is still in the sand.
>
>
> No, I just don't buy into the "American Exceptionalism" that you seem
> to believe makes America superior to the rest of the world.
>
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/American_exceptionalism
>
> There's no doubt that the US had a key role in winning WWI and WWII.
>
> Since then, the US record has been spotty, to say the least. Particularly
> in the 21st century.
>
> But, you are an avowed republican, so you'll ignore everything counter
> to the 21st century republican ethos as some "liberal nonsense".
>
> Talk about head in the sand.
>
Snore
On Thu, 14 Nov 2013 11:23:45 -0800, scritch <[email protected]>
wrote:
>> With all the tree-huggers, the animal rights activists, the global
>> warming proponents, the "it's for the children" hand-wringers and the
>> government knows best loons doing everything they can to protect us
>> (read, idiots) from ourselves they have forgotten one major point. The
>> more they protect us from ourselves the more diluted the gene pool
>> becomes. The end result will be a new and improved breed of idiots
>> that will need even more protection.
>>
>> Leon is totally right unless this wussification is stopped.
>>
>
>Regardless of how "wussified" you think Americans are becoming, the rest
>of the industrialized world generally reports as being happier in
>general, and they live longer and in better health than we do.
>
For the sake of argument I'll accept what you say as the truth, even
though I personally don't care how happy the rest of the world is.
We will see how happy they are when we are no longer capable of being
the worlds police because our government has wussified our military to
the point of being fearful of most others while the radical muslims
are free to terrorize these "happy" people at will.