I recently received (from my wife, God bless her) a new Grizzly 1023S
table saw. Expecting to spend some time with tune up, I've been
disappointed to find a .012 dip in the middle right side of the table
(but not the wings). Everything else measures flat within a few thou.
Consequently, the flat extension wing won't line up with the middle of
the table top. Grizz support claims the dip is within factory
tolerances (".015 corner-to-corner" I was told) and recommend that I
flex the wings to accomodate the dip.
My question to those who would know better--should I quit being a baby
and try to make it work or should I send this thing back and look
elsewhere for a saw? I'm not a full-time ww nor am I making puzzle
boxes, but it seems irritating and the few boards that I've run across
the table get caught momentarily on the resulting ridge.
Thanks for your time.
"martin" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> Isnt it the whole point of buying a grizzly cabinet saw which is a lot
> cheaper then others but once tune its a wonderful machine.
>
> --
I am confused by your reply. Are you suggesting that the OP keep or return
the saw?
Bob McBreen - Yarrow Point, WA
"Caveman Lawyer" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> I recently received (from my wife, God bless her) a new Grizzly 1023S
> table saw. Expecting to spend some time with tune up, I've been
> disappointed to find a .012 dip in the middle right side of the table
> (but not the wings). Everything else measures flat within a few thou.
>
> Consequently, the flat extension wing won't line up with the middle of
> the table top. Grizz support claims the dip is within factory
> tolerances (".015 corner-to-corner" I was told) and recommend that I
> flex the wings to accomodate the dip.
>
> My question to those who would know better--should I quit being a baby
> and try to make it work or should I send this thing back and look
> elsewhere for a saw? I'm not a full-time ww nor am I making puzzle
> boxes, but it seems irritating and the few boards that I've run across
> the table get caught momentarily on the resulting ridge.
>
> Thanks for your time.
This may be a stupid question - but how do you measure a dip in the middle
of the saw? I will be purchasing one in the next couple of months so when I
get it what should I be measuring and with what and how?
Thanks
A little followup/clarification:
On the specs/tolerances, there was apparently some misunderstanding
prior to my purchase. I had actually called Grizz before ordering the
ts and was told that their tolerances were .006 per foot. To me, this
means that over any 12 inch section there will not be a discrepancy
greater than .006. To them, as best as I can understand from their
phone tech, it means that over a 2.5 foot table, they accept variances
of up to .015 at any point across the table surface. Therefore they
viewed the .012 dip as within tolerances whereas I viewed it as
exceeding tolerances.
As for exchanges/returns, their email support was more forgiving than
the phone support and after several emails, they have offered to
exchange the table top. I have to haul the old one to UPS and they
will reimburse shipping expenses if they agree with my measurements,
so a bit of work for me but not too bad.
Finally, my previous experience with Grizz had been pretty good. They
took back a bandsaw I bought about 4 years ago without complaint after
I couldn't get the blade to track so I was comfortable with their
customer service. And I'm very happy with a drill press I picked up
from them several months ago.
Thanks for all the responses. Rec.ww has been a great resource for
me.
[email protected] (Caveman Lawyer) wrote in message news:<[email protected]>...
> My question to those who would know better--should I quit being a baby
> and try to make it work or should I send this thing back and look
> elsewhere for a saw? I'm not a full-time ww nor am I making puzzle
> boxes, but it seems irritating and the few boards that I've run across
> the table get caught momentarily on the resulting ridge.
>
> Thanks for your time.
I believe this thread has gone to a level far beyond what is practical .. .. .. I have had a 1023 Grizz for about 9 years
now and I don't have a clue to this day exactly how flat it is. I also don't believe it much matters by the time I drop
on my homemade plywood panel cutting sled or my homemade mdf tennoning jig, etc.
I wonder how many of you are using plywood & mdf jigs on your "perfect" saws and have no idea what the TRUE level of
perfection is that you are dealing with ?? ?? ??
If .015" is within spec. for a number of respected manufacturers, why all the fuss ?? ?? ??
If there's a gradual "dip" that in no way affects performance, who cares ?? ?? ?? If, on the other hand there is a
visible or detectable "ridge" which interferes with your use of the tool, by all means return it. Keep in mind that IF
your degree of accuracy in making the measurements is incorrect or inadequate, YOU will be responsible for the shipping &
handling of the returned pieces, BOTH WAYS !! !! !!
They are a generally a great company to do business with, but they cannot and I assure you they WILL NOT absorb costs
associated with frivolous complaints. Now before I get flamed for that statement, I am in no way calling your complaint
frivolous .. .. .. but if they measure it and find you to be wrong .. .. .. THEY CERTAINLY WILL !! !! !!
None of us can see, measure, feel, or appraise the effects of your described defect, therefore no one can give absolutely
perfect advice .. .. the decision must be yours and yours alone. Good luck with whichever route you choose based on
your own instincts and the advice & opinions you've received here. Just please bear in mind, IF YOU ARE WRONG .. .. ..
it will be somewhat costly on your part.
Again .. best of luck .. .. ..
Caveman Lawyer wrote:
> A little followup/clarification:
>
> On the specs/tolerances, there was apparently some misunderstanding
> prior to my purchase. I had actually called Grizz before ordering the
> ts and was told that their tolerances were .006 per foot. To me, this
> means that over any 12 inch section there will not be a discrepancy
> greater than .006. To them, as best as I can understand from their
> phone tech, it means that over a 2.5 foot table, they accept variances
> of up to .015 at any point across the table surface. Therefore they
> viewed the .012 dip as within tolerances whereas I viewed it as
> exceeding tolerances.
>
> As for exchanges/returns, their email support was more forgiving than
> the phone support and after several emails, they have offered to
> exchange the table top. I have to haul the old one to UPS and they
> will reimburse shipping expenses if they agree with my measurements,
> so a bit of work for me but not too bad.
>
<<<__ Bob __>>>
Does Leneave have a web site? Can't find one.
"Wilson Lamb" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> Well, it is within spec., even though I don't think it will affect your
> work, especially at the hacker level.
> Will they take it back?
> Talk to Greg Leneave, Leneave Machinery, Charlotte, NC. I got a planer
> from him that was both good and cheap, about $300 less than Delta. He
> claims to do his own QC in Taiwan. His cabinet saw is right at $1K. He
has
> a lot more to lose from bad stuff than Griz does, since it's a family
> outfit.
> Wilson
> "Caveman Lawyer" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> news:[email protected]...
> > I recently received (from my wife, God bless her) a new Grizzly 1023S
> > table saw. Expecting to spend some time with tune up, I've been
> > disappointed to find a .012 dip in the middle right side of the table
> > (but not the wings). Everything else measures flat within a few thou.
> >
> > Consequently, the flat extension wing won't line up with the middle of
> > the table top. Grizz support claims the dip is within factory
> > tolerances (".015 corner-to-corner" I was told) and recommend that I
> > flex the wings to accomodate the dip.
> >
> > My question to those who would know better--should I quit being a baby
> > and try to make it work or should I send this thing back and look
> > elsewhere for a saw? I'm not a full-time ww nor am I making puzzle
> > boxes, but it seems irritating and the few boards that I've run across
> > the table get caught momentarily on the resulting ridge.
> >
> > Thanks for your time.
>
>
And she's considered one of the smart Ivy League educated professionals?
Sure hope those degrees help pay off that debt in time to retire!
B a r r y B u r k e J r . wrote:
> On 9 Jan 2004 11:03:18 -0800, [email protected] (Larry Bud)
> wrote:
>
>
>>>One of the women I know, a Yale and Stanford educated psychiatrist,
>>>who finished school with over $235,000 of debt. <G>
>>
>>Wow, that's nuts! :-)
>
>
>
> She's 45 and still paying. It was left in deferral for a while, so it
> probably got even bigger. <G>
>
> Barry
i've read most of the replies and the posters seem to concentrate on
the lack of precision you'll have, as well as what your financial
situation is.
:-)
personally, if i was running boards through a TS and they "get caught
momentarily on the resulting ridge", i'd consider that a safety hazard
and return the saw immediately. you are asking to lose a finger with
a problem like that.
andy b.
On 8 Jan 2004 09:07:58 -0800, [email protected] (Caveman
Lawyer) wrote:
>I recently received (from my wife, God bless her) a new Grizzly 1023S
>table saw. Expecting to spend some time with tune up, I've been
>disappointed to find a .012 dip in the middle right side of the table
>(but not the wings). Everything else measures flat within a few thou.
>
>Consequently, the flat extension wing won't line up with the middle of
>the table top. Grizz support claims the dip is within factory
>tolerances (".015 corner-to-corner" I was told) and recommend that I
>flex the wings to accomodate the dip.
>
>My question to those who would know better--should I quit being a baby
>and try to make it work or should I send this thing back and look
>elsewhere for a saw? I'm not a full-time ww nor am I making puzzle
>boxes, but it seems irritating and the few boards that I've run across
>the table get caught momentarily on the resulting ridge.
>
>Thanks for your time.
> personally, if i was running boards through a TS and they "get caught
> momentarily on the resulting ridge", i'd consider that a safety hazard
> and return the saw immediately. you are asking to lose a finger with
> a problem like that.
Unless I'm missing something here, how would a board get caught on the
ridge when it would be running parallel to the direction the boards
are pushed?
well, then, a RICH woodworker!!
dave
mttt wrote:
> "Bay Area Dave" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> news:[email protected]...
>
>>
>>what makes you think that purchase will break his bank account?? Are you
>>privvy to his personal data?
>
>
> He's a lawyer - I hate him. No, wait he's a woodworker, he's a great guy.
> No - he's a lawyer, but a woodworking lawyer...
>
> Arrrrg! I'm so confused! :)
>
>
Groggy wrote:
> Place a good metal straight edge across the table diagonally. Then measure
> any gaps with feeler gauges.
I have yet to see a good straight edge at the BORG. So if your thinking
of buying one there forget it.
Look in grainger or online for Starrett, Lufkin, any others?
You should think of investing in a rule longer than one foot. A two foot
rule cost more than twice a one foot rule, and if your going to buy a
rule you might as well get a square head with it as a set. I would
suggest a iron head Starrett 11H-24-4R (~ $90). If you were using the
set in anything more abrasive than wood dust I would suggest getting a
33H-24-4R. The 33H is a forged steel head.
<http://www.grainger.com/Grainger/wwg/viewCatalogPDF.shtml?browserCompatable=true&adobeCompatable=true&CatPage=1316>
--
Mark
N.E. Ohio
Never argue with a fool, a bystander can't tell you apart. (S. Clemens,
A.K.A. Mark Twain)
When in doubt hit the throttle. It may not help but it sure ends the
suspense. (Gaz, r.moto)
On Fri, 09 Jan 2004 05:16:06 GMT, Larry Jaques
<novalidaddress@di\/ersify.com> wrote:
>Take a picture and send it to Grizzly's QA manager with an
>explanation. If they don't respond, bondo (or lead) it in.
They advertise "At Grizzly, You Can Expect Excellence! at
<http://www.grizzly.com/index.cfm?>.
Having to bondo or lead in the top of a brand new saw is unacceptable.
I would calmly and respectfully move up the chain until I was
satisfied. If all else fails, I'd photograph the problems, write up
ONLY the facts, with no subjective commentary, and place it on the
web.
I would send the first link to Grizzly, and again give them a chance
to fix it. Next, I'd start posting the link to every newsgroup, bbs,
and chat area where it was on-topic.
Barry
Not if they claim it's "in spec". I had a similar conversation with
Delta, only the discrepancy on mine was much less, but since it was my
first expensive TS, I thought I'd inquire.
dave
Montyhp wrote:
> My guess is, if you complain loud enough to grizz they will send you a new
> table.
>
> Montyhp
> "hamrdog" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> news:[email protected]...
>
>>i've read most of the replies and the posters seem to concentrate on
>>the lack of precision you'll have, as well as what your financial
>>situation is.
>>:-)
>>
>>personally, if i was running boards through a TS and they "get caught
>>momentarily on the resulting ridge", i'd consider that a safety hazard
>>and return the saw immediately. you are asking to lose a finger with
>>a problem like that.
>>
>>andy b.
>>
>>
>>On 8 Jan 2004 09:07:58 -0800, [email protected] (Caveman
>>Lawyer) wrote:
>>
>>
>>>I recently received (from my wife, God bless her) a new Grizzly 1023S
>>>table saw. Expecting to spend some time with tune up, I've been
>>>disappointed to find a .012 dip in the middle right side of the table
>>>(but not the wings). Everything else measures flat within a few thou.
>>>
>>>Consequently, the flat extension wing won't line up with the middle of
>>>the table top. Grizz support claims the dip is within factory
>>>tolerances (".015 corner-to-corner" I was told) and recommend that I
>>>flex the wings to accomodate the dip.
>>>
>>>My question to those who would know better--should I quit being a baby
>>>and try to make it work or should I send this thing back and look
>>>elsewhere for a saw? I'm not a full-time ww nor am I making puzzle
>>>boxes, but it seems irritating and the few boards that I've run across
>>>the table get caught momentarily on the resulting ridge.
>>>
>>>Thanks for your time.
>>
>
>
Isnt it the whole point of buying a grizzly cabinet saw which is a lot
cheaper then others but once tune its a wonderful machine.
--
Knowledge speaks, wisdom listen.....
Jimi Hendrix
"Caveman Lawyer" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> I recently received (from my wife, God bless her) a new Grizzly 1023S
> table saw. Expecting to spend some time with tune up, I've been
> disappointed to find a .012 dip in the middle right side of the table
> (but not the wings). Everything else measures flat within a few thou.
>
> Consequently, the flat extension wing won't line up with the middle of
> the table top. Grizz support claims the dip is within factory
> tolerances (".015 corner-to-corner" I was told) and recommend that I
> flex the wings to accomodate the dip.
>
> My question to those who would know better--should I quit being a baby
> and try to make it work or should I send this thing back and look
> elsewhere for a saw? I'm not a full-time ww nor am I making puzzle
> boxes, but it seems irritating and the few boards that I've run across
> the table get caught momentarily on the resulting ridge.
>
> Thanks for your time.
In article <[email protected]>,
BIG JOE <[email protected]> wrote:
>It wouldn't hurt to mention you have a few thousand friends on rec
>woodworking anxiously waiting to see how Grizzly handles this
>potentially unsafe situation.
It wouldn't help much either if past experience is any guide.
--
Larry Wasserman Baltimore, Maryland
[email protected]
Executive summary: send it back and don't buy another Grizz.
10 page thesis to follow.
Bob
"Caveman Lawyer" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> I recently received (from my wife, God bless her) a new Grizzly 1023S
> table saw. Expecting to spend some time with tune up, I've been
> disappointed to find a .012 dip in the middle right side of the table
> (but not the wings). Everything else measures flat within a few thou.
>
> Consequently, the flat extension wing won't line up with the middle of
> the table top. Grizz support claims the dip is within factory
> tolerances (".015 corner-to-corner" I was told) and recommend that I
> flex the wings to accomodate the dip.
>
> My question to those who would know better--should I quit being a baby
> and try to make it work or should I send this thing back and look
> elsewhere for a saw? I'm not a full-time ww nor am I making puzzle
> boxes, but it seems irritating and the few boards that I've run across
> the table get caught momentarily on the resulting ridge.
>
> Thanks for your time.
straight edge and feeler gauge(s)
Dave
Eric Scantlebury wrote:
> "Caveman Lawyer" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> news:[email protected]...
>
>>I recently received (from my wife, God bless her) a new Grizzly 1023S
>>table saw. Expecting to spend some time with tune up, I've been
>>disappointed to find a .012 dip in the middle right side of the table
>>(but not the wings). Everything else measures flat within a few thou.
>>
>>Consequently, the flat extension wing won't line up with the middle of
>>the table top. Grizz support claims the dip is within factory
>>tolerances (".015 corner-to-corner" I was told) and recommend that I
>>flex the wings to accomodate the dip.
>>
>>My question to those who would know better--should I quit being a baby
>>and try to make it work or should I send this thing back and look
>>elsewhere for a saw? I'm not a full-time ww nor am I making puzzle
>>boxes, but it seems irritating and the few boards that I've run across
>>the table get caught momentarily on the resulting ridge.
>>
>>Thanks for your time.
>
>
> This may be a stupid question - but how do you measure a dip in the middle
> of the saw? I will be purchasing one in the next couple of months so when I
> get it what should I be measuring and with what and how?
>
> Thanks
>
>
Caveman Lawyer wrote:
> I've been
> disappointed to find a .012 dip in the middle right side of the table
> (but not the wings). Everything else measures flat within a few thou.
From their site:
Solid cast iron table is first heat treated to remove warpage, then
milled perfectly flat and ground to a mirror-like finish
http://www.grizzly.com/products/item.cfm?ItemNumber=G1023S
12 thousandths isn't perfectly flat.
>
> ... Grizz support claims the dip is within factory
> tolerances (".015 corner-to-corner" I was told) and recommend that I
> flex the wings to accomodate the dip.
Flex cast iron? Yeah, it's doable. A bottle jack, some chain, a few
pieces of wood. Not that you need that much force but you would need
that much control. And unless you glued it together with Loc-Tite (and
letting it cure for a day with the chains in place) I wouldn't count on
it staying. I'm not familiar with the webbing under either the Griz
table or extensions so when pressure was released I don't know which
would dominate.
> ... it seems irritating and the few boards that I've run across
> the table get caught momentarily on the resulting ridge.
This is where I scratch my head, the wings run parallel to the blade and
the dip is 1/80th of an inch. If the gap were perpendicular to movement
I could see it, or maybe your bearing down and gouging the wood??
Lastly I would like to know your method of measurement and your tooling.
I don't know many people willing to cough up the $80 or so for a 2'
Starrett steel rule, or even the $60 or so for a good combination
square. I'm one of these jerks who pay forty something dollars retail
for a forged steel square head.
--
Mark
N.E. Ohio
Never argue with a fool, a bystander can't tell you apart. (S. Clemens,
A.K.A. Mark Twain)
When in doubt hit the throttle. It may not help but it sure ends the
suspense. (Gaz, r.moto)
And how would that affect a dado cut?
--
Knowledge speaks, wisdom listen.....
Jimi Hendrix
"Bay Area Dave" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> I'd be unhappy with that much of a dip in the middle. I'd expect that to
> affect the accuracy of dado and molding operations.
>
> dave
>
> Caveman Lawyer wrote:
>
> > I recently received (from my wife, God bless her) a new Grizzly 1023S
> > table saw. Expecting to spend some time with tune up, I've been
> > disappointed to find a .012 dip in the middle right side of the table
> > (but not the wings). Everything else measures flat within a few thou.
> >
> > Consequently, the flat extension wing won't line up with the middle of
> > the table top. Grizz support claims the dip is within factory
> > tolerances (".015 corner-to-corner" I was told) and recommend that I
> > flex the wings to accomodate the dip.
> >
> > My question to those who would know better--should I quit being a baby
> > and try to make it work or should I send this thing back and look
> > elsewhere for a saw? I'm not a full-time ww nor am I making puzzle
> > boxes, but it seems irritating and the few boards that I've run across
> > the table get caught momentarily on the resulting ridge.
> >
> > Thanks for your time.
>
Well, it is within spec., even though I don't think it will affect your
work, especially at the hacker level.
Will they take it back?
Talk to Greg Leneave, Leneave Machinery, Charlotte, NC. I got a planer
from him that was both good and cheap, about $300 less than Delta. He
claims to do his own QC in Taiwan. His cabinet saw is right at $1K. He has
a lot more to lose from bad stuff than Griz does, since it's a family
outfit.
Wilson
"Caveman Lawyer" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> I recently received (from my wife, God bless her) a new Grizzly 1023S
> table saw. Expecting to spend some time with tune up, I've been
> disappointed to find a .012 dip in the middle right side of the table
> (but not the wings). Everything else measures flat within a few thou.
>
> Consequently, the flat extension wing won't line up with the middle of
> the table top. Grizz support claims the dip is within factory
> tolerances (".015 corner-to-corner" I was told) and recommend that I
> flex the wings to accomodate the dip.
>
> My question to those who would know better--should I quit being a baby
> and try to make it work or should I send this thing back and look
> elsewhere for a saw? I'm not a full-time ww nor am I making puzzle
> boxes, but it seems irritating and the few boards that I've run across
> the table get caught momentarily on the resulting ridge.
>
> Thanks for your time.
You are right; if they "guarantee" satisfaction, then they'd have no way
to refuse just because it's within their specs.
dave
Montyhp wrote:
> I guess I would have to look at their web page to see if they guarantee
> satisfaction. I wouldn't be satisfied.
>
> Montyhp
>
> "Bay Area Dave" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> news:[email protected]...
>
>>Not if they claim it's "in spec". I had a similar conversation with
>>Delta, only the discrepancy on mine was much less, but since it was my
>>first expensive TS, I thought I'd inquire.
>>
>>dave
>>
>>Montyhp wrote:
>>
>>
>>>My guess is, if you complain loud enough to grizz they will send you a
>
> new
>
>>>table.
>>>
>>>Montyhp
>>>"hamrdog" <[email protected]> wrote in message
>>>news:[email protected]...
>>>
>>>
>>>>i've read most of the replies and the posters seem to concentrate on
>>>>the lack of precision you'll have, as well as what your financial
>>>>situation is.
>>>>:-)
>>>>
>>>>personally, if i was running boards through a TS and they "get caught
>>>>momentarily on the resulting ridge", i'd consider that a safety hazard
>>>>and return the saw immediately. you are asking to lose a finger with
>>>>a problem like that.
>>>>
>>>>andy b.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>On 8 Jan 2004 09:07:58 -0800, [email protected] (Caveman
>>>>Lawyer) wrote:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>I recently received (from my wife, God bless her) a new Grizzly 1023S
>>>>>table saw. Expecting to spend some time with tune up, I've been
>>>>>disappointed to find a .012 dip in the middle right side of the table
>>>>>(but not the wings). Everything else measures flat within a few thou.
>>>>>
>>>>>Consequently, the flat extension wing won't line up with the middle of
>>>>>the table top. Grizz support claims the dip is within factory
>>>>>tolerances (".015 corner-to-corner" I was told) and recommend that I
>>>>>flex the wings to accomodate the dip.
>>>>>
>>>>>My question to those who would know better--should I quit being a baby
>>>>>and try to make it work or should I send this thing back and look
>>>>>elsewhere for a saw? I'm not a full-time ww nor am I making puzzle
>>>>>boxes, but it seems irritating and the few boards that I've run across
>>>>>the table get caught momentarily on the resulting ridge.
>>>>>
>>>>>Thanks for your time.
>>>>
>>>
>
>
But they may make him pay for the return shipping unless that is also
included in the guarantee. If such a small .012 dip is killing him, then I
agree with the idea of sending it back and pay twice the price for what is
really next to nothing. I myself would either file it smooth or tap the
wing into place with a hammer and get to making dust. I am looking into
upgrading my contractors saw next month and it will probably be a Grizzly.
--
If at first you don't succeed, you're not cut out for skydiving
"Bay Area Dave" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:RkpLb.7559$%[email protected]...
> You are right; if they "guarantee" satisfaction, then they'd have no way
> to refuse just because it's within their specs.
>
> dave
>
> Montyhp wrote:
>
> > I guess I would have to look at their web page to see if they guarantee
> > satisfaction. I wouldn't be satisfied.
> >
> > Montyhp
> >
> > "Bay Area Dave" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> > news:[email protected]...
> >
> >>Not if they claim it's "in spec". I had a similar conversation with
> >>Delta, only the discrepancy on mine was much less, but since it was my
> >>first expensive TS, I thought I'd inquire.
> >>
> >>dave
> >>
> >>Montyhp wrote:
> >>
> >>
> >>>My guess is, if you complain loud enough to grizz they will send you a
> >
> > new
> >
> >>>table.
> >>>
> >>>Montyhp
> >>>"hamrdog" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> >>>news:[email protected]...
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>>i've read most of the replies and the posters seem to concentrate on
> >>>>the lack of precision you'll have, as well as what your financial
> >>>>situation is.
> >>>>:-)
> >>>>
> >>>>personally, if i was running boards through a TS and they "get caught
> >>>>momentarily on the resulting ridge", i'd consider that a safety hazard
> >>>>and return the saw immediately. you are asking to lose a finger with
> >>>>a problem like that.
> >>>>
> >>>>andy b.
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>On 8 Jan 2004 09:07:58 -0800, [email protected] (Caveman
> >>>>Lawyer) wrote:
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>>I recently received (from my wife, God bless her) a new Grizzly 1023S
> >>>>>table saw. Expecting to spend some time with tune up, I've been
> >>>>>disappointed to find a .012 dip in the middle right side of the table
> >>>>>(but not the wings). Everything else measures flat within a few
thou.
> >>>>>
> >>>>>Consequently, the flat extension wing won't line up with the middle
of
> >>>>>the table top. Grizz support claims the dip is within factory
> >>>>>tolerances (".015 corner-to-corner" I was told) and recommend that I
> >>>>>flex the wings to accomodate the dip.
> >>>>>
> >>>>>My question to those who would know better--should I quit being a
baby
> >>>>>and try to make it work or should I send this thing back and look
> >>>>>elsewhere for a saw? I'm not a full-time ww nor am I making puzzle
> >>>>>boxes, but it seems irritating and the few boards that I've run
across
> >>>>>the table get caught momentarily on the resulting ridge.
> >>>>>
> >>>>>Thanks for your time.
> >>>>
> >>>
> >
> >
>
depth of cut would vary between the beginning and middle of a piece of
material that you can't/don't shove down hard enough to reach the bottom
of the dip. the leading edge would probably have a deeper cut as it
would be relatively easy to get the leading edge to conform to the dip.
Think of a soup bowl. you can put the end of a spoon down in the
bowl, but you can't get the length of the spoon to rest on the bottom.
this is an exaggeration, but applicable analogy. No?
dave
martin wrote:
> And how would that affect a dado cut?
>
> --
> Knowledge speaks, wisdom listen.....
> Jimi Hendrix
> "Bay Area Dave" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> news:[email protected]...
>
>>I'd be unhappy with that much of a dip in the middle. I'd expect that to
>>affect the accuracy of dado and molding operations.
>>
>>dave
>>
>>Caveman Lawyer wrote:
>>
>>
>>>I recently received (from my wife, God bless her) a new Grizzly 1023S
>>>table saw. Expecting to spend some time with tune up, I've been
>>>disappointed to find a .012 dip in the middle right side of the table
>>>(but not the wings). Everything else measures flat within a few thou.
>>>
>>>Consequently, the flat extension wing won't line up with the middle of
>>>the table top. Grizz support claims the dip is within factory
>>>tolerances (".015 corner-to-corner" I was told) and recommend that I
>>>flex the wings to accomodate the dip.
>>>
>>>My question to those who would know better--should I quit being a baby
>>>and try to make it work or should I send this thing back and look
>>>elsewhere for a saw? I'm not a full-time ww nor am I making puzzle
>>>boxes, but it seems irritating and the few boards that I've run across
>>>the table get caught momentarily on the resulting ridge.
>>>
>>>Thanks for your time.
>>
>
>
Or any money left to eat with.
--
If at first you don't succeed, you're not cut out for skydiving
"Phisherman" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> Send it back and get a PM66. You won't have these complaints.
>
>
> On 8 Jan 2004 09:07:58 -0800, [email protected] (Caveman
> Lawyer) wrote:
>
> >I recently received (from my wife, God bless her) a new Grizzly 1023S
> >table saw. Expecting to spend some time with tune up, I've been
> >disappointed to find a .012 dip in the middle right side of the table
> >(but not the wings). Everything else measures flat within a few thou.
> >
> >Consequently, the flat extension wing won't line up with the middle of
> >the table top. Grizz support claims the dip is within factory
> >tolerances (".015 corner-to-corner" I was told) and recommend that I
> >flex the wings to accomodate the dip.
> >
> >My question to those who would know better--should I quit being a baby
> >and try to make it work or should I send this thing back and look
> >elsewhere for a saw? I'm not a full-time ww nor am I making puzzle
> >boxes, but it seems irritating and the few boards that I've run across
> >the table get caught momentarily on the resulting ridge.
> >
> >Thanks for your time.
>
You are "comfortable with their service". That's great! But how
comfortable are you with their products??
dave
Caveman Lawyer wrote:
snip
> Finally, my previous experience with Grizz had been pretty good. They
> took back a bandsaw I bought about 4 years ago without complaint after
> I couldn't get the blade to track so I was comfortable with their
> customer service. And I'm very happy with a drill press I picked up
> from them several months ago.
B a r r y B u r k e J r . <[email protected]>
wrote in news:[email protected]:
> On 9 Jan 2004 11:03:18 -0800, [email protected] (Larry Bud)
> wrote:
>
>>> One of the women I know, a Yale and Stanford educated psychiatrist,
>>> who finished school with over $235,000 of debt. <G>
>>
>>Wow, that's nuts! :-)
>
>
> She's 45 and still paying. It was left in deferral for a while, so it
> probably got even bigger. <G>
>
> Barry
>
Funny isn't it. A doctor incurs hundreds of thousands of dollars of
debt and it takes dozens of years to pay it off. My sister in law, a
high school graduate, had 4 chicken houses put in their property at a
cost of 2 million. She paid it off in 4 years.
Woodworker, getting there, Lawyer!!!! How dare you. Next you will be
calling my mother names :-)
--
If at first you don't succeed, you're not cut out for skydiving
"mttt" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
>
> "Bay Area Dave" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> news:[email protected]...
> >
> >
> > what makes you think that purchase will break his bank account?? Are you
> > privvy to his personal data?
>
> He's a lawyer - I hate him. No, wait he's a woodworker, he's a great guy.
> No - he's a lawyer, but a woodworking lawyer...
>
> Arrrrg! I'm so confused! :)
>
>
[email protected] (Caveman Lawyer) wrote in message news:<[email protected]>...
> I recently received (from my wife, God bless her) a new Grizzly 1023S
> table saw. Expecting to spend some time with tune up, I've been
> disappointed to find a .012 dip in the middle right side of the table
> (but not the wings). Everything else measures flat within a few thou.
This is not too terribly unexpected. People will say "you should have
bought a XYZ instead." Baloney. Even Powermatic only guarantees .01"
flatness. So you'd be 0.002" better off for $1200 extra. Hmmmph.
And if you were to complain to Powermatic about a 0.01" dip, they'll
tell you to flatten out yourself with a hammer. Seriously.
Now, I was curious about the Unisaws too (could this be a legit reason
to spend the extra money on one), before I recently decided to take
the plunge and purchase a G1023. So at the local junior college, I
measured two Unisaws and found them to be within 0.010" and 0.011".
Better than what Grizzly guarantees, but not appreciably better than
your 0.012".
I think your issue is the wing alignment problem. Your dip, while
within spec, is causing it. So I'd approach it from that angle with
Grizzly rather than complaining about the 0.012" itself. When they
spec "corner to corner" you make the assumption that imperfections
will be gradual, and typically they are. "Corner to corner" also
implies that front to rear should actually be LESS than 0.015" also.
But in your case, however, there is a blunt imperfection and the end
result is the alignment problem. I'd be very surprised if they were
unwilling to address that for you, based on my own personal
experiences with their customer service and most other people's as
well.
Let us know what happens.
Brian.
Bay Area Dave <[email protected]> wrote in message news:<[email protected]>...
> Not if they claim it's "in spec". I had a similar conversation with
> Delta, only the discrepancy on mine was much less, but since it was my
> first expensive TS, I thought I'd inquire.
>
> dave
>
Do tell. Afterall, the published flatness tolerance for the Delta
Unisaw is also 0.015".
Brian.
Here is an article you should read that deals with flattening a new
Delta Unisaw table.
http://www.puzzlecraft.com/Projects/HTMAP/07saw.htm
Brian.
[email protected] (Caveman Lawyer) wrote in message news:<[email protected]>...
> I recently received (from my wife, God bless her) a new Grizzly 1023S
> table saw. Expecting to spend some time with tune up, I've been
> disappointed to find a .012 dip in the middle right side of the table
> (but not the wings). Everything else measures flat within a few thou.
>
> Consequently, the flat extension wing won't line up with the middle of
> the table top. Grizz support claims the dip is within factory
> tolerances (".015 corner-to-corner" I was told) and recommend that I
> flex the wings to accomodate the dip.
>
> My question to those who would know better--should I quit being a baby
> and try to make it work or should I send this thing back and look
> elsewhere for a saw? I'm not a full-time ww nor am I making puzzle
> boxes, but it seems irritating and the few boards that I've run across
> the table get caught momentarily on the resulting ridge.
>
> Thanks for your time.
"Bay Area Dave" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
>
>
> what makes you think that purchase will break his bank account?? Are you
> privvy to his personal data?
He's a lawyer - I hate him. No, wait he's a woodworker, he's a great guy.
No - he's a lawyer, but a woodworking lawyer...
Arrrrg! I'm so confused! :)
Place a good metal straight edge across the table diagonally. Then measure
any gaps with feeler gauges.
Greg
Tip: Cut a kerf in a couple of blocks just wide enough to hold the straight
edge vertical. Then put the blocks over the straight edge to hold it while
you move around checking for gaps and measuring etc. A light behind the
straight edge will help to show any gaps.
"Eric Scantlebury" wrote in message ...
> This may be a stupid question - but how do you measure a dip in the
middle
> of the saw? I will be purchasing one in the next couple of months so when
I
> get it what should I be measuring and with what and how?
>
> Thanks
>
>
On 8 Jan 2004 09:07:58 -0800, [email protected] (Caveman
Lawyer) brought forth from the murky depths:
>I recently received (from my wife, God bless her) a new Grizzly 1023S
>table saw. Expecting to spend some time with tune up, I've been
>disappointed to find a .012 dip in the middle right side of the table
>(but not the wings). Everything else measures flat within a few thou.
How long is the dip? 1"? 6"? A foot long? How wide?
>Consequently, the flat extension wing won't line up with the middle of
>the table top. Grizz support claims the dip is within factory
>tolerances (".015 corner-to-corner" I was told) and recommend that I
>flex the wings to accomodate the dip.
Slap that telephone drone upside the haid, suh.
>My question to those who would know better--should I quit being a baby
>and try to make it work or should I send this thing back and look
>elsewhere for a saw? I'm not a full-time ww nor am I making puzzle
>boxes, but it seems irritating and the few boards that I've run across
>the table get caught momentarily on the resulting ridge.
Take a picture and send it to Grizzly's QA manager with an
explanation. If they don't respond, bondo (or lead) it in.
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Send it back and get a PM66. You won't have these complaints.
On 8 Jan 2004 09:07:58 -0800, [email protected] (Caveman
Lawyer) wrote:
>I recently received (from my wife, God bless her) a new Grizzly 1023S
>table saw. Expecting to spend some time with tune up, I've been
>disappointed to find a .012 dip in the middle right side of the table
>(but not the wings). Everything else measures flat within a few thou.
>
>Consequently, the flat extension wing won't line up with the middle of
>the table top. Grizz support claims the dip is within factory
>tolerances (".015 corner-to-corner" I was told) and recommend that I
>flex the wings to accomodate the dip.
>
>My question to those who would know better--should I quit being a baby
>and try to make it work or should I send this thing back and look
>elsewhere for a saw? I'm not a full-time ww nor am I making puzzle
>boxes, but it seems irritating and the few boards that I've run across
>the table get caught momentarily on the resulting ridge.
>
>Thanks for your time.
"Eric Scantlebury" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
>
> "Caveman Lawyer" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> news:[email protected]...
> > I recently received (from my wife, God bless her) a new Grizzly 1023S
> > table saw. Expecting to spend some time with tune up, I've been
> > disappointed to find a .012 dip in the middle right side of the table
> > (but not the wings). Everything else measures flat within a few thou.
> >
> > Consequently, the flat extension wing won't line up with the middle of
> > the table top. Grizz support claims the dip is within factory
> > tolerances (".015 corner-to-corner" I was told) and recommend that I
> > flex the wings to accomodate the dip.
> >
> > My question to those who would know better--should I quit being a baby
> > and try to make it work or should I send this thing back and look
> > elsewhere for a saw? I'm not a full-time ww nor am I making puzzle
> > boxes, but it seems irritating and the few boards that I've run across
> > the table get caught momentarily on the resulting ridge.
> >
> > Thanks for your time.
>
> This may be a stupid question - but how do you measure a dip in the
middle
> of the saw? I will be purchasing one in the next couple of months so when
I
> get it what should I be measuring and with what and how?
>
> Thanks
>
>
Good straight edge and feeler gauge
John
On Thu, 8 Jan 2004 17:08:04 -0500, "Eric Scantlebury"
<[email protected]> wrote:
>
>"Caveman Lawyer" <[email protected]> wrote in message
>news:[email protected]...
>> I recently received (from my wife, God bless her) a new Grizzly 1023S
>> table saw. Expecting to spend some time with tune up, I've been
>> disappointed to find a .012 dip in the middle right side of the table
>> (but not the wings). Everything else measures flat within a few thou.
>>
>> Consequently, the flat extension wing won't line up with the middle of
>> the table top. Grizz support claims the dip is within factory
>> tolerances (".015 corner-to-corner" I was told) and recommend that I
>> flex the wings to accomodate the dip.
>>
>> My question to those who would know better--should I quit being a baby
>> and try to make it work or should I send this thing back and look
>> elsewhere for a saw? I'm not a full-time ww nor am I making puzzle
>> boxes, but it seems irritating and the few boards that I've run across
>> the table get caught momentarily on the resulting ridge.
>>
>> Thanks for your time.
>
>This may be a stupid question - but how do you measure a dip in the middle
>of the saw? I will be purchasing one in the next couple of months so when I
>get it what should I be measuring and with what and how?
>
>Thanks
>
I'd be unhappy with that much of a dip in the middle. I'd expect that to
affect the accuracy of dado and molding operations.
dave
Caveman Lawyer wrote:
> I recently received (from my wife, God bless her) a new Grizzly 1023S
> table saw. Expecting to spend some time with tune up, I've been
> disappointed to find a .012 dip in the middle right side of the table
> (but not the wings). Everything else measures flat within a few thou.
>
> Consequently, the flat extension wing won't line up with the middle of
> the table top. Grizz support claims the dip is within factory
> tolerances (".015 corner-to-corner" I was told) and recommend that I
> flex the wings to accomodate the dip.
>
> My question to those who would know better--should I quit being a baby
> and try to make it work or should I send this thing back and look
> elsewhere for a saw? I'm not a full-time ww nor am I making puzzle
> boxes, but it seems irritating and the few boards that I've run across
> the table get caught momentarily on the resulting ridge.
>
> Thanks for your time.
In article <[email protected]>,
Brian <[email protected]> wrote:
>Here is an article you should read that deals with flattening a new
>Delta Unisaw table.
>
>http://www.puzzlecraft.com/Projects/HTMAP/07saw.htm
>
>Brian.
>
>
<...previous quote snipped...>
OH NO WHAT HAVE YOU DONE!
Besides isn't that a contractor saw?
--
Larry Wasserman Baltimore, Maryland
[email protected]
"Eric Scantlebury" <[email protected]> writes:
>This may be a stupid question - but how do you measure a dip in the middle
>of the saw? I will be purchasing one in the next couple of months so when I
>get it what should I be measuring and with what and how?
>
Straight edge and a set of feeler gauges.
I "justify" all my purchases BEFORE plonking my money down. If I find
that I was duped by hype, then it goes back for a refund. I haven't
can't think of a single item I've got that I "justify" in my mind for
comfort's sake.
dave
Brian wrote:
> "Bay Area Dave" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> news:[email protected]...
>
>>You are "comfortable with their service". That's great! But how
>>comfortable are you with their products??
>>
>
>
> Probably more comfortable than the people who have spent significantly more
> money on a different name brand with the same tolerances and are trying to
> justify doing so in their minds.
>
> Brian.
>
>
On Fri, 09 Jan 2004 01:16:49 GMT, Bay Area Dave <[email protected]> wrote:
>well, then, a RICH woodworker!!
I know plenty of lawyers, and even several doctors, who are far from
rich. They've got a lot of competition, and some of them finish
school with hundreds of thousands of debt.
One of the women I know, a Yale and Stanford educated psychiatrist,
who finished school with over $235,000 of debt. <G>
Barry
On 9 Jan 2004 11:03:18 -0800, [email protected] (Larry Bud)
wrote:
>> One of the women I know, a Yale and Stanford educated psychiatrist,
>> who finished school with over $235,000 of debt. <G>
>
>Wow, that's nuts! :-)
She's 45 and still paying. It was left in deferral for a while, so it
probably got even bigger. <G>
Barry
My guess is, if you complain loud enough to grizz they will send you a new
table.
Montyhp
"hamrdog" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> i've read most of the replies and the posters seem to concentrate on
> the lack of precision you'll have, as well as what your financial
> situation is.
> :-)
>
> personally, if i was running boards through a TS and they "get caught
> momentarily on the resulting ridge", i'd consider that a safety hazard
> and return the saw immediately. you are asking to lose a finger with
> a problem like that.
>
> andy b.
>
>
> On 8 Jan 2004 09:07:58 -0800, [email protected] (Caveman
> Lawyer) wrote:
>
> >I recently received (from my wife, God bless her) a new Grizzly 1023S
> >table saw. Expecting to spend some time with tune up, I've been
> >disappointed to find a .012 dip in the middle right side of the table
> >(but not the wings). Everything else measures flat within a few thou.
> >
> >Consequently, the flat extension wing won't line up with the middle of
> >the table top. Grizz support claims the dip is within factory
> >tolerances (".015 corner-to-corner" I was told) and recommend that I
> >flex the wings to accomodate the dip.
> >
> >My question to those who would know better--should I quit being a baby
> >and try to make it work or should I send this thing back and look
> >elsewhere for a saw? I'm not a full-time ww nor am I making puzzle
> >boxes, but it seems irritating and the few boards that I've run across
> >the table get caught momentarily on the resulting ridge.
> >
> >Thanks for your time.
>
I guess I would have to look at their web page to see if they guarantee
satisfaction. I wouldn't be satisfied.
Montyhp
"Bay Area Dave" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> Not if they claim it's "in spec". I had a similar conversation with
> Delta, only the discrepancy on mine was much less, but since it was my
> first expensive TS, I thought I'd inquire.
>
> dave
>
> Montyhp wrote:
>
> > My guess is, if you complain loud enough to grizz they will send you a
new
> > table.
> >
> > Montyhp
> > "hamrdog" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> > news:[email protected]...
> >
> >>i've read most of the replies and the posters seem to concentrate on
> >>the lack of precision you'll have, as well as what your financial
> >>situation is.
> >>:-)
> >>
> >>personally, if i was running boards through a TS and they "get caught
> >>momentarily on the resulting ridge", i'd consider that a safety hazard
> >>and return the saw immediately. you are asking to lose a finger with
> >>a problem like that.
> >>
> >>andy b.
> >>
> >>
> >>On 8 Jan 2004 09:07:58 -0800, [email protected] (Caveman
> >>Lawyer) wrote:
> >>
> >>
> >>>I recently received (from my wife, God bless her) a new Grizzly 1023S
> >>>table saw. Expecting to spend some time with tune up, I've been
> >>>disappointed to find a .012 dip in the middle right side of the table
> >>>(but not the wings). Everything else measures flat within a few thou.
> >>>
> >>>Consequently, the flat extension wing won't line up with the middle of
> >>>the table top. Grizz support claims the dip is within factory
> >>>tolerances (".015 corner-to-corner" I was told) and recommend that I
> >>>flex the wings to accomodate the dip.
> >>>
> >>>My question to those who would know better--should I quit being a baby
> >>>and try to make it work or should I send this thing back and look
> >>>elsewhere for a saw? I'm not a full-time ww nor am I making puzzle
> >>>boxes, but it seems irritating and the few boards that I've run across
> >>>the table get caught momentarily on the resulting ridge.
> >>>
> >>>Thanks for your time.
> >>
> >
> >
>
I would try to just exchange the table top. The shipping will still be
somewhat expensive.
I only say this because (so far) my Grizz 1023SL is "perfect." so I know
Grizzly can make a good saw.
Montyhp
"Tbone" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> But they may make him pay for the return shipping unless that is also
> included in the guarantee. If such a small .012 dip is killing him, then
I
> agree with the idea of sending it back and pay twice the price for what is
> really next to nothing. I myself would either file it smooth or tap the
> wing into place with a hammer and get to making dust. I am looking into
> upgrading my contractors saw next month and it will probably be a Grizzly.
>
> --
> If at first you don't succeed, you're not cut out for skydiving
>
>
> "Bay Area Dave" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> news:RkpLb.7559$%[email protected]...
> > You are right; if they "guarantee" satisfaction, then they'd have no way
> > to refuse just because it's within their specs.
> >
> > dave
> >
> > Montyhp wrote:
> >
> > > I guess I would have to look at their web page to see if they
guarantee
> > > satisfaction. I wouldn't be satisfied.
> > >
> > > Montyhp
> > >
> > > "Bay Area Dave" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> > > news:[email protected]...
> > >
> > >>Not if they claim it's "in spec". I had a similar conversation with
> > >>Delta, only the discrepancy on mine was much less, but since it was my
> > >>first expensive TS, I thought I'd inquire.
> > >>
> > >>dave
> > >>
> > >>Montyhp wrote:
> > >>
> > >>
> > >>>My guess is, if you complain loud enough to grizz they will send you
a
> > >
> > > new
> > >
> > >>>table.
> > >>>
> > >>>Montyhp
> > >>>"hamrdog" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> > >>>news:[email protected]...
> > >>>
> > >>>
> > >>>>i've read most of the replies and the posters seem to concentrate on
> > >>>>the lack of precision you'll have, as well as what your financial
> > >>>>situation is.
> > >>>>:-)
> > >>>>
> > >>>>personally, if i was running boards through a TS and they "get
caught
> > >>>>momentarily on the resulting ridge", i'd consider that a safety
hazard
> > >>>>and return the saw immediately. you are asking to lose a finger
with
> > >>>>a problem like that.
> > >>>>
> > >>>>andy b.
> > >>>>
> > >>>>
> > >>>>On 8 Jan 2004 09:07:58 -0800, [email protected] (Caveman
> > >>>>Lawyer) wrote:
> > >>>>
> > >>>>
> > >>>>
> > >>>>>I recently received (from my wife, God bless her) a new Grizzly
1023S
> > >>>>>table saw. Expecting to spend some time with tune up, I've been
> > >>>>>disappointed to find a .012 dip in the middle right side of the
table
> > >>>>>(but not the wings). Everything else measures flat within a few
> thou.
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>>Consequently, the flat extension wing won't line up with the middle
> of
> > >>>>>the table top. Grizz support claims the dip is within factory
> > >>>>>tolerances (".015 corner-to-corner" I was told) and recommend that
I
> > >>>>>flex the wings to accomodate the dip.
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>>My question to those who would know better--should I quit being a
> baby
> > >>>>>and try to make it work or should I send this thing back and look
> > >>>>>elsewhere for a saw? I'm not a full-time ww nor am I making puzzle
> > >>>>>boxes, but it seems irritating and the few boards that I've run
> across
> > >>>>>the table get caught momentarily on the resulting ridge.
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>>Thanks for your time.
> > >>>>
> > >>>
> > >
> > >
> >
>
>
> >Here is an article you should read that deals with flattening a new
> >Delta Unisaw table.
> >
> >http://www.puzzlecraft.com/Projects/HTMAP/07saw.htm
> >
> >Brian.
> >
> >
> <...previous quote snipped...>
>
>
> OH NO WHAT HAVE YOU DONE!
>
> Besides isn't that a contractor saw?
Heh. Same procedure you would use on a cabinet saw. Notice, if you read,
that he makes reference the Delta Unisaw tolerances as a motivation for
performing the procedure.
Brian.
> Solid cast iron table is first heat treated to remove warpage, then
> milled perfectly flat and ground to a mirror-like finish
>
> http://www.grizzly.com/products/item.cfm?ItemNumber=G1023S
>
> 12 thousandths isn't perfectly flat.
>
>
Perfect doesn't exist and shouldn't be used as a descriptor, but even so it
is about as perfect as any of them. Powermatic claims to be 2 thousandths
flatter, while Delta's tolerances could land you a Unisaw 3 thousandths
worse.
I have a G1023S arriving today in about 3 hours. I'll take the time to see
where it comes in.
Brian.
"Bay Area Dave" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> You are "comfortable with their service". That's great! But how
> comfortable are you with their products??
>
Probably more comfortable than the people who have spent significantly more
money on a different name brand with the same tolerances and are trying to
justify doing so in their minds.
Brian.
Eric Scantlebury wrote:
>> This may be a stupid question - but how do you measure a dip in the
>> middle of the saw? I will be purchasing one in the next couple of
>> months so when I get it what should I be measuring and with what and
>> how?
Don't feel too bad. I was wondering myself. I had a mental image of some sort
of dial gauge.
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