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"Nick"

11/06/2013 1:19 AM

Any tips please for timber & finish.

A very good friend of mine has a small 60yo sailing boat that she and her
brother have spent the last 4 years restoring. Pretty much completed now
except the frilly curtains. 26ft, I think. That's the length of the boat,
not the curtains.
She (Clare) wants to make a nameboard that will be fixed to the stern.
Lettering will be incised by hand.
Clare is a carver but has no experience of incised lettering.
I suggested a hardwood for durability and gave her some bits of oak, ash,
beech and elm to practice with. She is struggling as the timber is hard and
the process very contrary to her usual discipline.
This is going to live in a seawater environment 24/7. 6 months in/out.

Gave Clare a few bits of softwood to try and she is finding this easier to
work. I think the practice may be improving her technique. I still think
that if the finished article is to have any durability, it should be of
hardwood.

Any suggestions for timber and durable finish please.

Good luck,
Nick


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Dan Coby

in reply to "Nick" on 11/06/2013 1:19 AM

11/06/2013 12:09 AM

On 6/10/2013 5:19 PM, Nick wrote:
> A very good friend of mine has a small 60yo sailing boat that she and her
> brother have spent the last 4 years restoring. Pretty much completed now
> except the frilly curtains. 26ft, I think. That's the length of the boat,
> not the curtains.
> She (Clare) wants to make a nameboard that will be fixed to the stern.
> Lettering will be incised by hand.
> Clare is a carver but has no experience of incised lettering.
> I suggested a hardwood for durability and gave her some bits of oak, ash,
> beech and elm to practice with. She is struggling as the timber is hard and
> the process very contrary to her usual discipline.
> This is going to live in a seawater environment 24/7. 6 months in/out.
>
> Gave Clare a few bits of softwood to try and she is finding this easier to
> work. I think the practice may be improving her technique. I still think
> that if the finished article is to have any durability, it should be of
> hardwood.
>
> Any suggestions for timber and durable finish please.

Episode 307 of "Rough Cut - Woodworking with Tommy Mac" had a picture frame
with hand carved letters. It had tips on how to do the lettering. You might be
able to find it on you local PBS or Create TV station.

The wood that they used was mahogany.


Dan

Gs

"Gramp's shop"

in reply to "Nick" on 11/06/2013 1:19 AM

10/06/2013 5:58 PM

On Monday, June 10, 2013 7:19:53 PM UTC-5, Nick wrote:
> A very good friend of mine has a small 60yo sailing boat that she and her
>
> brother have spent the last 4 years restoring. Pretty much completed now
>
> except the frilly curtains. 26ft, I think. That's the length of the boat,
>
> not the curtains.
>
> She (Clare) wants to make a nameboard that will be fixed to the stern.
>
> Lettering will be incised by hand.
>
> Clare is a carver but has no experience of incised lettering.
>
> I suggested a hardwood for durability and gave her some bits of oak, ash,
>
> beech and elm to practice with. She is struggling as the timber is hard and
>
> the process very contrary to her usual discipline.
>
> This is going to live in a seawater environment 24/7. 6 months in/out.
>
>
>
> Gave Clare a few bits of softwood to try and she is finding this easier to
>
> work. I think the practice may be improving her technique. I still think
>
> that if the finished article is to have any durability, it should be of
>
> hardwood.
>
>
>
> Any suggestions for timber and durable finish please.
>
>
>
> Good luck,
>
> Nick

You can't go wrong with teak. I used to finish all my brightwork with Armada. Of course, anything that sits in the sun for six months will require sanding and refinishing.

LH

"Lew Hodgett"

in reply to "Nick" on 11/06/2013 1:19 AM

10/06/2013 6:43 PM


"Nick" wrote:
<snip>
> She (Clare) wants to make a nameboard that will be fixed to the
> stern. Lettering will be incised by hand.
> Clare is a carver but has no experience of incised lettering.
> I suggested a hardwood for durability and gave her some bits of oak,
> ash, beech and elm to practice with. She is struggling as the timber
> is hard and the process very contrary to her usual discipline.
> This is going to live in a seawater environment 24/7. 6 months
> in/out.
<snip>
> Any suggestions for timber and durable finish please.
-------------------------------------------------
Teak left natural.

If you must finish bright and you are in the UK, check out Epifanes at
a local chandlery.

Lew

Ll

Leon

in reply to "Nick" on 11/06/2013 1:19 AM

11/06/2013 12:48 PM

On 6/11/2013 11:35 AM, SonomaProducts.com wrote:
>
>>
>> I suggested a hardwood for durability and gave her some bits of oak, ash,
>>
>> beech and elm to practice with. She is struggling as the timber is hard and
>>
>> the process very contrary to her usual discipline.
>
> Use Mahogany. It is not so hard that you can't carve it and is great for water resistance. She is never going to carve Ipe (nick named iron wood for good reason).

And the reason I suggested using a router. ;~) If she is struggling
with carving with a hard wood and she ends up using a router, Ipe would
not be out of the question and would probably outlast the boat.


Teak I am not so familiar with but seems like even stringie-er grain
than mohag and probably tought to carve well.
>

Teak is a pretty common marine wood.

Ll

Leon

in reply to "Nick" on 11/06/2013 1:19 AM

10/06/2013 7:55 PM

On 6/10/2013 7:19 PM, Nick wrote:
> A very good friend of mine has a small 60yo sailing boat that she and her
> brother have spent the last 4 years restoring. Pretty much completed now
> except the frilly curtains. 26ft, I think. That's the length of the boat,
> not the curtains.
> She (Clare) wants to make a nameboard that will be fixed to the stern.
> Lettering will be incised by hand.
> Clare is a carver but has no experience of incised lettering.
> I suggested a hardwood for durability and gave her some bits of oak, ash,
> beech and elm to practice with. She is struggling as the timber is hard and
> the process very contrary to her usual discipline.
> This is going to live in a seawater environment 24/7. 6 months in/out.
>
> Gave Clare a few bits of softwood to try and she is finding this easier to
> work. I think the practice may be improving her technique. I still think
> that if the finished article is to have any durability, it should be of
> hardwood.
>
> Any suggestions for timber and durable finish please.
>
> Good luck,
> Nick
>
>

Teak and or Ipe with a spar varnish. nothing is going to be permanent,
expect to refinish every year or two. Use a router to carve with.

Sb

"SonomaProducts.com"

in reply to "Nick" on 11/06/2013 1:19 AM

11/06/2013 9:35 AM


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grain than mohag and probably tought to carve well.

dd

"dadiOH"

in reply to "Nick" on 11/06/2013 1:19 AM

10/06/2013 4:41 PM


"Nick" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
>A very good friend of mine has a small 60yo sailing boat that she and her
>brother have spent the last 4 years restoring. Pretty much completed now
>except the frilly curtains. 26ft, I think. That's the length of the boat,
>not the curtains.
> She (Clare) wants to make a nameboard that will be fixed to the stern.
> Lettering will be incised by hand.
> Clare is a carver but has no experience of incised lettering.
> I suggested a hardwood for durability and gave her some bits of oak, ash,
> beech and elm to practice with. She is struggling as the timber is hard
> and the process very contrary to her usual discipline.
> This is going to live in a seawater environment 24/7. 6 months in/out.
>
> Gave Clare a few bits of softwood to try and she is finding this easier to
> work. I think the practice may be improving her technique. I still think
> that if the finished article is to have any durability, it should be of
> hardwood.
>
> Any suggestions for timber and durable finish please.

Wood...
#1. teak
#2. mahogany

Finish (in order of lasting power)...
#1. paint
#2. oil
#3 poly

dadiOH


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