John Grossbohlin wrote:
>
> "Gerald Ross"<[email protected]> wrote in message
> news:[email protected]...
>> CW wrote:
>>> How many here build from plans. Personally, I never have but judging by
>>> the
>>> number of woodworking plans for sale, there must be many who do.
>>>
>>
>> Had a house built in Texas from plans drawn by an architect. My builder
>> (who thinks in 3-D) said a frog would be required where the bath roof
>> joined the roof over the master bedroom. It was. I had never even heard
>> of a roof frog and no view or elevation showed such an animal, but when
>> the house was finished, there it was.
>
> Frog or Cricket?
>
>
Now that you mention it, maybe it WAS a cricket.
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Swingman wrote:
> On 3/17/2012 11:15 AM, CW wrote:
>> How many here build from plans. Personally, I never have but judging
>> by the number of woodworking plans for sale, there must be many who
>> do.
>
> I design everything I do, and the final design documents themselves
> are shop drawings suitable for fabrication.
>
> And when I say everything, I do mean everything, now matter how small
> or menial. :)
>
> As in this morning's shop work - corbels for an island that is going
> into a current kitchen remodel:
>
Well... if the truth were really known, I would use plans to some degree,
but I've tried my hand at Sketchup a couple of times and just did not have
the patience for the learning curve. I wouldn't necessarily plan everything
(other than a scrap paper sketch), but I can see where some things could
benefit from a good plan. The other part of my excuse is that when you live
in a log home, plans just don't work that well. Even Sketchup doesn't deal
with logs well.
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On Sat, 17 Mar 2012 10:15:33 -0700, "CW" <[email protected]> wrote:
>How many here build from plans. Personally, I never have but judging by the
>number of woodworking plans for sale, there must be many who do.
I do, almost always. But then, that's my personality. With my tendency
to be a control freak, I need to know that everything is going to fit
exactly as I designed it. *Then* when it doesn't fit, my creative side
takes over and I usually manage to make that "flaw" appear as a design
feature.
On 3/17/2012 7:15 PM, Doug Miller wrote:
> "CW"<[email protected]> wrote
>> How many here build from plans. Personally, I never have but judging by the
>> number of woodworking plans for sale, there must be many who do.
> My first three pieces of real furniture, I made from purchased plans. After that, I started drawing
> my own. And the plans for this one existed only as an image in my mind.
>
> http://www.milmac.com/Furniture/Steph-and-Matt-WeddingPresent.jpg
Beautiful!
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Dave wrote:
>
> I do, almost always. But then, that's my personality. With my tendency
> to be a control freak, I need to know that everything is going to fit
> exactly as I designed it. *Then* when it doesn't fit, my creative side
> takes over and I usually manage to make that "flaw" appear as a design
> feature.
Flaw? What is this "flaw" thing you speak of?
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"Mike Marlow" <[email protected]> wrote in news:4c71d$4f64d83f
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> Flaw? What is this "flaw" thing you speak of?
>
It can be described simply as an "unplanned change of mind."
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Gerald Ross wrote:
> CW wrote:
>> How many here build from plans. Personally, I never have but judging
>> by the number of woodworking plans for sale, there must be many who
>> do.
>
> Had a house built in Texas from plans drawn by an architect. My
> builder (who thinks in 3-D) said a frog would be required where the
> bath roof joined the roof over the master bedroom. It was. I had
> never even heard of a roof frog and no view or elevation showed such
> an animal, but when the house was finished, there it was.
>
> Also, one of the rear upstairs windows could not be put in as shown in
> the plans, because the roof of the sun room was in the way. But in
> general, plans are nice.
Only for the timid...
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CW wrote:
> How many here build from plans. Personally, I never have but judging
> by the number of woodworking plans for sale, there must be many who
> do.
Nope.
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Very nice layout. I'd move the fridge to where the microwave is.
And move the the mw to just underneath the cabinet to the left
of the sink. You get more storage by converting the space
left by the fridge to a pantry and the steps between the fridge
and the range would be shorter.
My two cents, but I'm not the client nor the cabinet maker.
MJ
On 3/17/2012 11:15 AM, CW wrote:
> How many here build from plans. Personally, I never have but judging by
> the number of woodworking plans for sale, there must be many who do.
I design everything I do, and the final design documents themselves are
shop drawings suitable for fabrication.
And when I say everything, I do mean everything, now matter how small or
menial. :)
As in this morning's shop work - corbels for an island that is going
into a current kitchen remodel:
https://picasaweb.google.com/111355467778981859077/EWoodShopJustStuff#5720923702874403682
https://picasaweb.google.com/111355467778981859077/EWoodShopJustStuff#5720602913972071474
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On 3/17/2012 2:04 PM, -MIKE- wrote:
> On 3/17/12 3:04 PM, Swingman wrote:
>> Then, since most it must be approved by a client as well, even to the
>> small details like the aforementioned corbels on the island, it is
>> imperative that the client be able to visualize where they go and what
>> they will look like:
>>
>> https://picasaweb.google.com/111355467778981859077/EWoodShopJustStuff#5720941918512952418
>>
>>
>
> I hope they go right where they will hit that oh so very special place
> on one's knee. :-)
Things are not always what they seem (you gotta keep up early to fool an
old fox). Three fold purpose:
1. Keep the insisted upon 12", granite cantilever intact.
2. Discourage the chair occupants from falling off the 3" height
difference between the kitchen and living room.
3. Reminder that they buy (lower) chairs from somewhere else besides
Google 3D Warehouse bar stool models. :)
> Great modelling. I'm sure that does wonders for client relations.
Thanks, it does. This is just a very simple remodel/refinish with regard
to the kitchen.
The two wall cabinets to the left of the sink and the island are new
additions, all other cabinets remain from the previous installation and
just get a facelift.
Three existing bathrooms were stripped to the studs and completely
redone ... shower pans, new tubs, tile and surrounds.
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On 3/17/2012 3:06 PM, MJ wrote:
> Very nice layout. I'd move the fridge to where the microwave is.
> And move the the mw to just underneath the cabinet to the left
> of the sink. You get more storage by converting the space
> left by the fridge to a pantry and the steps between the fridge
> and the range would be shorter.
>
> My two cents, but I'm not the client nor the cabinet maker.
And that two cents would have ended up costing you a fortune to move the
existing electric and plumbing. :)
What you apparently missed in the discussion is that only the two wall
cabinets, and the island, are new cabinets.
ALL the others are existing cabinets that _remain_ , along with
appliances that they house, and will be refinished.
My choice would have been to go to the studs and redo the entire
kitchen. Since the house is on the market, the owner decided not to
spend that kind of money.
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On 3/17/2012 8:15 PM, Doug Miller wrote:
> "CW"<[email protected]> wrote in
> news:[email protected]:
>
>> How many here build from plans. Personally, I never have but judging by the
>> number of woodworking plans for sale, there must be many who do.
>>
> My first three pieces of real furniture, I made from purchased plans. After that, I started drawing
> my own. And the plans for this one existed only as an image in my mind.
>
> http://www.milmac.com/Furniture/Steph-and-Matt-WeddingPresent.jpg
>
Very nice Doug. Is that cherry and quarter sawn elm?
"Gerald Ross" <[email protected]> wrote in message
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> CW wrote:
>> How many here build from plans. Personally, I never have but judging by
>> the
>> number of woodworking plans for sale, there must be many who do.
>>
>
> Had a house built in Texas from plans drawn by an architect. My builder
> (who thinks in 3-D) said a frog would be required where the bath roof
> joined the roof over the master bedroom. It was. I had never even heard
> of a roof frog and no view or elevation showed such an animal, but when
> the house was finished, there it was.
Frog or Cricket?
"CW" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> How many here build from plans. Personally, I never have but judging by
> the number of woodworking plans for sale, there must be many who do.
I sketch on yellow sticky notes most of the time... gross dimensions
only.... probably doesn't count?
"CW" <[email protected]> wrote in
news:[email protected]:
> How many here build from plans. Personally, I never have but judging by the
> number of woodworking plans for sale, there must be many who do.
>
My first three pieces of real furniture, I made from purchased plans. After that, I started drawing
my own. And the plans for this one existed only as an image in my mind.
http://www.milmac.com/Furniture/Steph-and-Matt-WeddingPresent.jpg
"CW" <[email protected]> wrote in
news:[email protected]:
> How many here build from plans. Personally, I never have but judging
> by the number of woodworking plans for sale, there must be many who
> do.
I've never bought an actual plan. I've used plans in magazines and books.
Magazine plans ALWAYS get modified because they're never right. :) I also
use pictures of what I might want or just an idea in the ol cabbage. These
get planned enough to start. Once I've started I go to the cad program and
work out specific dimensions or lengths & joints. Works good for me.
Leon <lcb11211@swbelldotnet> wrote in
news:[email protected]:
> On 3/17/2012 8:15 PM, Doug Miller wrote:
>> "CW"<[email protected]> wrote in
>> news:[email protected]:
>>
>>> How many here build from plans. Personally, I never have but judging by the
>>> number of woodworking plans for sale, there must be many who do.
>>>
>> My first three pieces of real furniture, I made from purchased plans. After that, I started
drawing
>> my own. And the plans for this one existed only as an image in my mind.
>>
>> http://www.milmac.com/Furniture/Steph-and-Matt-WeddingPresent.jpg
>>
>
> Very nice Doug. Is that cherry and quarter sawn elm?
>
Thanks, Leon. The legs are cherry, and the rest is quarter-sawn American sycamore (which
we have a *lot* of in Indiana).
Hanging in the gara-shop is a sign given by my wife.
"We Don't Make Mistakes, We Do Variations"
Sigh.
On Sat, 17 Mar 2012 13:37:22 -0400, Dave <[email protected]> wrote:
>On Sat, 17 Mar 2012 10:15:33 -0700, "CW" <[email protected]> wrote:
>>How many here build from plans. Personally, I never have but judging by the
>>number of woodworking plans for sale, there must be many who do.
>
>I do, almost always. But then, that's my personality. With my tendency
>to be a control freak, I need to know that everything is going to fit
>exactly as I designed it. *Then* when it doesn't fit, my creative side
>takes over and I usually manage to make that "flaw" appear as a design
>feature.
Nice work. Nice grain. Good use of figure.. not yours the woods 8>)
On 3/19/2012 2:40 PM, Leon wrote:
> On 3/17/2012 8:15 PM, Doug Miller wrote:
>> "CW"<[email protected]> wrote in
>> news:[email protected]:
>>
>>> How many here build from plans. Personally, I never have but judging
>>> by the
>>> number of woodworking plans for sale, there must be many who do.
>>>
>> My first three pieces of real furniture, I made from purchased plans.
>> After that, I started drawing
>> my own. And the plans for this one existed only as an image in my mind.
>>
>> http://www.milmac.com/Furniture/Steph-and-Matt-WeddingPresent.jpg
>>
>
> Very nice Doug. Is that cherry and quarter sawn elm?
CW wrote:
> How many here build from plans. Personally, I never have but judging by the
> number of woodworking plans for sale, there must be many who do.
>
Had a house built in Texas from plans drawn by an architect. My
builder (who thinks in 3-D) said a frog would be required where the
bath roof joined the roof over the master bedroom. It was. I had
never even heard of a roof frog and no view or elevation showed such
an animal, but when the house was finished, there it was.
Also, one of the rear upstairs windows could not be put in as shown in
the plans, because the roof of the sun room was in the way. But in
general, plans are nice.
--
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Every vision has an equal and opposite
revision.
On 3/17/2012 12:38 PM, Mike Marlow wrote:
> Swingman wrote:
>> On 3/17/2012 11:15 AM, CW wrote:
>>> How many here build from plans. Personally, I never have but judging
>>> by the number of woodworking plans for sale, there must be many who
>>> do.
>>
>> I design everything I do, and the final design documents themselves
>> are shop drawings suitable for fabrication.
>>
>> And when I say everything, I do mean everything, now matter how small
>> or menial. :)
>>
>> As in this morning's shop work - corbels for an island that is going
>> into a current kitchen remodel:
>>
>
> Well... if the truth were really known, I would use plans to some degree,
> but I've tried my hand at Sketchup a couple of times and just did not have
> the patience for the learning curve. I wouldn't necessarily plan everything
> (other than a scrap paper sketch), but I can see where some things could
> benefit from a good plan. The other part of my excuse is that when you live
> in a log home, plans just don't work that well. Even Sketchup doesn't deal
> with logs well.
Because most everything I do must fit in a set-in-concrete space, it is
difficult to operate without a well defined, carefully thought out plan,
and one that must be followed, to a 1/32", in most instances.
Then, since most it must be approved by a client as well, even to the
small details like the aforementioned corbels on the island, it is
imperative that the client be able to visualize where they go and what
they will look like:
https://picasaweb.google.com/111355467778981859077/EWoodShopJustStuff#5720941918512952418
That is where 3D modeling software comes in ... AAMOF, it is no longer
just desirable, it is basically a necessity to compete in today's market.
Actually, I would take it one step further with technology if I could
justify it ... the 3D printing of the above model.
... although it is a bit pricey to add the cost to a job just yet, but
it won't be long.
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CW wrote:
> How many here build from plans. Personally, I never have but judging
> by the number of woodworking plans for sale, there must be many who
> do.
I don't know if you'd call them "plans" but I roughly sketch what I want on
a legal pad - no scale - and dimension it. I also roughly draw larger
details of a few key areas to show what goes to what, how deep dados/rabbets
are to be etc. From those, I often make up a cut list so I can do things
that have width and/or length at the same time. Check them off as I do
them, label them too.
The only time I ever did real, to scale, accurate plans was for my kitchen.
Took nearly as long to do that as it did to build it out.
As far as other peoples plans, I hate them...I find them hard to read.
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If depends, if its something Ive built before like fireplace mantels or
similar I will work from whats in my head. If its something a customers
needs to see then I will draw it up in Sketch-up. Actually Sketch-up is a
great selling tool.
CW wrote:
> How many here build from plans. Personally, I never have but judging by
> the number of woodworking plans for sale, there must be many who do.
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On 3/17/12 3:04 PM, Swingman wrote:
> Then, since most it must be approved by a client as well, even to the
> small details like the aforementioned corbels on the island, it is
> imperative that the client be able to visualize where they go and what
> they will look like:
>
> https://picasaweb.google.com/111355467778981859077/EWoodShopJustStuff#5720941918512952418
>
I hope they go right where they will hit that oh so very special place
on one's knee. :-)
Great modelling. I'm sure that does wonders for client relations.
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On Sat, 17 Mar 2012 10:15:33 -0700, CW wrote:
> How many here build from plans. Personally, I never have but judging by
> the number of woodworking plans for sale, there must be many who do.
The only plan I ever bought was for a railroad clock and I wound up
making minor modifications to it. But I do usually draw up plans before
any complicated project. I've been using TurboCad under XP, but I keep
looking for a decent CAD package for Linux. I have 4 of them on the
system now but haven't had the time to check them out.
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On 3/17/2012 7:00 PM, Larry Blanchard wrote:
> On Sat, 17 Mar 2012 10:15:33 -0700, CW wrote:
>
>> How many here build from plans. Personally, I never have but judging by
>> the number of woodworking plans for sale, there must be many who do.
>
> The only plan I ever bought was for a railroad clock and I wound up
> making minor modifications to it. But I do usually draw up plans before
> any complicated project. I've been using TurboCad under XP, but I keep
> looking for a decent CAD package for Linux. I have 4 of them on the
> system now but haven't had the time to check them out.
I've been using TurboCAD for years, and I'm quite comfortable with it. I
really tried to convert to the Sketchup way of thinking (I did Karl, really I
did) but I just haven't been able to wrap my mind around it. I recently
upgraded from TurboCAD V8 Professional (which I got on eBay years ago at a
decent price) to V16 Deluxe (it was TOO costly to go to a recent version of
Professional), and I'm very happy with it.
I normally use TurboCAD's 3D features to construct a nice (sometimes very
detailed) model of the thing I want to build, up to the point where I have just
enough detail to define the cutting list, then I never finish the damn drawing
to the point where it could be considered "a plan". I could probably sell some
of my plans if I had the patience to do that. :-)
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On Sat, 17 Mar 2012 10:15:33 -0700, "CW" <[email protected]> wrote:
>How many here build from plans. Personally, I never have but judging by the
>number of woodworking plans for sale, there must be many who do.
I have a couple of times. I don't mind paying if they are sensibly
priced and I like the design.
I made a Tudor bench from American Furniture a few years back. Liked
it so much, I made on as a gift for a friend.
Third from the bottom on the left side
http://www.americanfurnituredsgn.com/Gallery%20of%20Customer%20Projects.html