OT - Cheyey Cited For Breaking Law

And the White House tries to pin this on Whittington! Incredible! Tom

J T wrote:
> http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/11340558/
>
> Gotta love Texas, they've definitely got their priorities in order.
> They cite Cheney for not having a bird hunting stamp, but don't say
> anything about him shooting a lawyer. I guess that means you don't need
> a stamp for hunting vermin.

I was talking to my elderly father in Kentucky this morning. He said,
"I don't understand why Cheney is getting so much press over this. The
papers didn't say a thing that time I accidently shot Mr. O'Brian's
beagle hound and you know that dog was worth a lot more to the world
than some Republican lawyer."

That's a really mean thing to say...

about all the perfectly nice vermin out there.

when they said quayle hunting. it made wonder what danny boy did wrong.

Kevin wrote: Never been quail hunting, have you, Tom?
I'll admit it,
no, I've never been quail hunting. But here's what I understand: A line
is formed with the hunting party. Each hunter has a field of
opportunity, and this field does _not_ go afar from perpendicular to
the "party line"( no political joke here). If a flush occurs that isn't
in your window, it's not your bird. Seems pretty straighforward to me.
If Whittington was retrieving his bird, the party should have advanced
as a line to pass the downed bird. Communications must be established
as to the location of the retreiving hunter. If no answer, or in doubt,
_no_ shots are taken. How am I doing? Tom

(Except for misspelling "straightforward", of course) Tom

Doug Payne wrote:
> On 15/02/2006 2:53 PM, Morris Dovey wrote:
>
> > WD (in [email protected]) said:
> > |
> > | Would you be his drinking and hunting partner?
> >
> > ROFLMAO
> >
> > I think I've already used up my lifetime quota of near misses - and
> > I've been shot _at_ twice while hunting. Thanks anyway.
>
> Yeah, me too. There ain't nothin' like the sound of a 30-06 round
> hitting a tree next to your head. And then there was the guy who once
> shot the sh*t out of my decoys. You never saw so much styrofoam carnage
> in your life. When I was a kid, someone shot a palomino horse just down
> the road from our place; claimed he thought it was a moose. Some of the
> locals started painting "COW" and "HORSE" on their animals during
> hunting season.

A farmer up in Michigan did that using yellow paint. He even
painted "DOG" on his dog. Someone shot his tractor. It had
"DEERE" painted on it.

--

FF

I would rather Hunt with Cheney than ride in a car with Ted Kennedy!

What a Jackass stunt! Cheney should not have taken shot behind him.

Pete

Joe wrote: I should mention that I'm not a hunter and I don't know a
thing about
proper hunting procedure or safety.


It's mainly just common sense, such as "know your target and
background". To Cheney's credit, he did accept his responsibility for
the accident. Now, back to the real issues! Tom

Kevin wrote: snip>In brushy cover, towards a setting sun, swinging to
your strong side
(meaning vision obscured by the shotgun)<snip

I don't
understand how your vision could be obscured, and still you'd take the
shot. Is it the heat of the moment? Tom

Enoch Root wrote:
> [email protected] wrote:
> > Doug Payne wrote:
> >
> >>On 15/02/2006 2:53 PM, Morris Dovey wrote:
> >>
> >>
> >>>WD (in [email protected]) said:
> >>>|
> >>>| Would you be his drinking and hunting partner?
> >>>
> >>>ROFLMAO
> >>>
> >>>I think I've already used up my lifetime quota of near misses - and
> >>>I've been shot _at_ twice while hunting. Thanks anyway.
> >>
> >>Yeah, me too. There ain't nothin' like the sound of a 30-06 round
> >>hitting a tree next to your head. And then there was the guy who once
> >>shot the sh*t out of my decoys. You never saw so much styrofoam carnage
> >>in your life. When I was a kid, someone shot a palomino horse just down
> >>the road from our place; claimed he thought it was a moose. Some of the
> >>locals started painting "COW" and "HORSE" on their animals during
> >>hunting season.
> >
> >
> > A farmer up in Michigan did that using yellow paint. He even
> > painted "DOG" on his dog. Someone shot his tractor. It had
> > "DEERE" painted on it.
>
> That's too funny. Ergo, can't be true (hahah). Very much like this story:
>
> http://www.snopes.com/critters/mishaps/hunters.asp
>

I orginally read the story in the Cleveland Plain Dealer which included
a
picture of his dog, with "DOG" painted on his side. They did not
include
any pictures of the alleged bullet hole in his tractor.

--

FF

Enoch Root wrote:
> [email protected] wrote:
> >
> >
> > I orginally read the story in the Cleveland Plain Dealer which included
> > a
> > picture of his dog, with "DOG" painted on his side. They did not
> > include
> > any pictures of the alleged bullet hole in his tractor.
>
> Snopes has an "ostension" category wherein an individual acts out some
> of the details of the legend...
>
> Not saying you're wrong, just that there's a lot of ground for
> interpretation.
>

It is not hard to imagine that farmer making up the story about the
tractor being shot as a joke, or the reporter doing the same,
whether they had heard the joke before or not.

The article, at least, was real.

--

FF

Note followups.

Odinn wrote:
> On 2/17/2006 6:11 PM Edwin Pawlowski mumbled something about the following:
> > "Odinn" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> >
> >>> How could Cheney not know he was in that direction? He had gone out for
> >>> a kill, Cheney and others had gone off after another covey and flushed
> >>> it. I'm sorry, but when hunting in a group, you ALWAYS know what
> >>> direction the rest of the members in the group are.
> >
> > Right. That is why there has never been a hunting accident before.
> >
> >
>
> Most hunting accidents I've heard or known about were because of people
> not paying attention because they were newbies or drunk. In this case,
> I believe it is the former, but it could have been the latter.
>

Two weeks ago, in papers filed in preparation for the LIbby trial, it
was
revealed that libby claimed under oath that he was instructed by his
superiors to release classified information to reporters. AFAIK, Libby
only had two superiors, the Vice President and the President. The
VP doe s not have authorization to declassify material that was
classified by the CIA. Shooting his freind pused that story out of
the news. Almost makes you wonder if he did it on purpose, sort
of like 'leaking' pictures of Saddam Hussein in his underwear to push
the Dilawar and Habbibullah story out of the news.

--

FF

JGS wrote:

> One day a Jew, a Hindu, and a lawyer all arrived at their hotel to find
> that there had been a mix-up with the bookings, and that there was only
> one room left for them to share. The manager explained that this room
> only had two beds, but that there was a barn at a neighbouring farm
> which the farmer, an old friend of his, would let one of them sleep in
> free of charge. They complained a bit, but since there was nowhere else
> to go, the Jew graciously said he'd sleep in the barn.
>
> The Hindu and the lawyer were just settling down to sleep in their room,
> when there was a knock on the door. It was the Jew. "I'm sorry," he
> said, "but there's a pig in that barn and because I'm Jewish I feel
> uncomfortable about sharing the barn with it."
>
> "No problem," said the Hindu. "I'll sleep out there instead." So off he
> went to the barn, leaving the lawyer and the Jew to share the room. They
> were just settling down to sleep, when there was a knock on the door. It
> was the Hindu. "I'm sorry," he said, "but there's a cow in that barn and
> because I'm a Hindu I feel uncomfortable about sharing the barn with
> it."
>
> The lawyer grudgingly agreed to give up his bed and stomped off to the
> barn, leaving the Jew and the Hindu to share the room. The Jew and the
> Hindu were just settling down to sleep, when here was a knock on the
> door. It was the cow and the pig.
Had to share this one...
mahalo,
jo4hn

In article <[email protected]>, tom
<[email protected]> wrote:

> And the White House tries to pin this on Whittington! Incredible! Tom
>

Never been quail hunting, have you, Tom?

Kevin

In article <[email protected]>, tom
<[email protected]> wrote:

> Kevin wrote: Never been quail hunting, have you, Tom?
> I'll admit it,
> no, I've never been quail hunting. But here's what I understand: A line
> is formed with the hunting party. Each hunter has a field of
> opportunity, and this field does _not_ go afar from perpendicular to
> the "party line"( no political joke here). If a flush occurs that isn't
> in your window, it's not your bird. Seems pretty straighforward to me.
> If Whittington was retrieving his bird, the party should have advanced
> as a line to pass the downed bird. Communications must be established
> as to the location of the retreiving hunter. If no answer, or in doubt,
> _no_ shots are taken. How am I doing? Tom

You've got the procedure right, except for one thing: if *any*one is
coming on line with the shooters, it's his responsibility to warn them
of the approach.

In brushy cover, towards a setting sun, swinging to your strong side
(meaning vision obscured by the shotgun), it would be very easy to
sweep someone who appeared unannounced.

Kevin

In article <[email protected]>, tom
<[email protected]> wrote:

> I don't
> understand how your vision could be obscured, and still you'd take the
> shot. Is it the heat of the moment? Tom

No, it's the nature of shooting birds on the wing.

All the pontificating others have done about the rules of gun safety,
including "know what's behind your target and beyond it", is sound
advice when hunting big game with a rifle. With a rifle, the bullet can
be deadly out to a couple of miles; with birdshot, as we've seen, 30
yards is unpleasant but imminently survivable.

With big game, standing still or moving slowly at 75-300 yards, you
position your rifle within a degree or two before even beginning to
aim, much less take the rifle off safety; with birds, hunters have a
shooting lane that covers up to a 120 degree arc, and ranges from 5-35
yards.

With big game, hunters stalk for hours of even days, and usually have
the target in sight for several minutes while preparing for the shot;
with birds, there is usually a second or less from flush to fire, and
within two seconds they're completely out of range.

Before the Cheney accident, a poll was taken of ~850 South Dakota bird
hunters. IIRC, 468, or 55%, reported having been peppered with shot
while hunting. It's not pleasant, but it's almost never deadly.

Like Nahm says, "There's no more important safety rule than to wear
these, your safety glasses."

Too few people wear safety glasses, either in the wood shop or while
shooting.

Kevin

On 2/17/2006 6:34 AM Charles Self mumbled something about the following:
> "Odinn" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> news:[email protected]...
>> On 2/15/2006 11:00 PM Joe Barta mumbled something about the following:
>>> sumdume wrote:
>>>
>>>> I would rather Hunt with Cheney than ride in a car with Ted Kennedy!
>>> I'd bet a night out partying with Uncle Ted might be fun ;-)
>>>
>>>> What a Jackass stunt! Cheney should not have taken shot behind him.
>>> According to his interview today, the man shot was about 30 yds to
>>> Cheney's right, in a bit of a gully and some brush. Add to that, the
>>> setting sun was in that direction as well. Cheney claims he just didn't
>>> expect his friend to be there and didn't see him until it was too late.
>>>
>>> I should mention that I'm not a hunter and I don't know a thing about
>>> proper hunting procedure or safety.
>>>
>> How could Cheney not know he was in that direction? He had gone out for a
>> kill, Cheney and others had gone off after another covey and flushed it.
>> I'm sorry, but when hunting in a group, you ALWAYS know what direction the
>> rest of the members in the group are.
>>
>
> Misfunctioning mouse. Sorry about the blanks.
>
> I found a wonderful solution to hunting accidents. I stay in the house
> during hunting seasons, or in my yard (not always safe, since there are
> pastures and woods all around).
>
> Every year, someone gets nailed, usually a lot worse than Whittington,
> around here, even since the hunters shut up and let a blaze orange law
> scrape by a few years ago. It has dropped off with the bright colors, but
> the accidents still happen.
>
> Cheney and Whittington were both lucky it was no worse, regardless of who
> was at fault. Even 28 gauge pellets can be rough if enough of them strike in
> the right place (as Mr. Whittington's heart attack shows). An inch or two to
> the right and he'd be minus at least an eye.
>
> This is not a political incident, so I don't get the blathering.
>
>

I wasn't trying to make it a political incident, merely pointing out
that Cheney should have known the direction Whittington was in and not
shot in that direction, even tho Whittington apparently didn't announce
himself (not so sure about this, since he was still a good distance away
and in a gully). I've been hunting all my life, and I RARELY go hunting
with others because of the lack of attention most people have. The few
people I do go hunting with are my cousins, whom I've been hunting with
all my life (unless they are drinking, then we don't go hunting, which
is very seldom, as they take their hunting seriously as well). I didn't
even trust my son until after he spent some time in the Marines. He's a
much more attentive person while hunting now.

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rot13 [email protected] to reply

One day a Jew, a Hindu, and a lawyer all arrived at their hotel to find
that there had been a mix-up with the bookings, and that there was only
one room left for them to share. The manager explained that this room
only had two beds, but that there was a barn at a neighbouring farm
which the farmer, an old friend of his, would let one of them sleep in
free of charge. They complained a bit, but since there was nowhere else
to go, the Jew graciously said he'd sleep in the barn.

The Hindu and the lawyer were just settling down to sleep in their room,
when there was a knock on the door. It was the Jew. "I'm sorry," he
said, "but there's a pig in that barn and because I'm Jewish I feel
uncomfortable about sharing the barn with it."

"No problem," said the Hindu. "I'll sleep out there instead." So off he
went to the barn, leaving the lawyer and the Jew to share the room. They
were just settling down to sleep, when there was a knock on the door. It
was the Hindu. "I'm sorry," he said, "but there's a cow in that barn and
because I'm a Hindu I feel uncomfortable about sharing the barn with
it."

The lawyer grudgingly agreed to give up his bed and stomped off to the
barn, leaving the Jew and the Hindu to share the room. The Jew and the
Hindu were just settling down to sleep, when here was a knock on the
door. It was the cow and the pig.

J T wrote:

> http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/11340558/
>
> Gotta love Texas, they've definitely got their priorities in order.
> They cite Cheney for not having a bird hunting stamp, but don't say
> anything about him shooting a lawyer. I guess that means you don't need
> a stamp for hunting vermin.
>
> JOAT
> I'm busy now, can I ignore you some other time?

On Wed, 15 Feb 2006 10:22:44 -0600, "Morris Dovey" <[email protected]> wrote:

>Leon (in [email protected]) said:
>
>| range when shooting. Just plain stupid and I am betting Cheney will
>| never make that mistake again.
>
>My bet is that Harry Whittington will choose his hunting partners more
>carefully in the future.

Would you be his drinking and hunting partner?

Doug Miller (in [email protected])
said:

| In article <[email protected]>,
| [email protected] (J T) wrote:
|| http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/11340558/
||
|| Gotta love Texas, they've definitely got their priorities in
|| order. They cite Cheney for not having a bird hunting stamp, but
|| don't say anything about him shooting a lawyer. I guess that
|| means you don't need a stamp for hunting vermin.
|
| I didn't think you needed a license to hunt lawyers --? Wonder if
| Texas might
| actually have a *bounty* on them.

If so, this could be the beginning of serious campaign finance reform.

--
Morris Dovey
DeSoto Solar
DeSoto, Iowa USA
http://www.iedu.com/DeSoto

WD (in [email protected]) said:

| On Wed, 15 Feb 2006 10:22:44 -0600, "Morris Dovey"
| <[email protected]> wrote:
|
|| Leon (in [email protected]) said:
||
||| range when shooting. Just plain stupid and I am betting Cheney
||| will never make that mistake again.
||
|| My bet is that Harry Whittington will choose his hunting partners
|| more carefully in the future.
|
| Would you be his drinking and hunting partner?

ROFLMAO

I think I've already used up my lifetime quota of near misses - and
I've been shot _at_ twice while hunting. Thanks anyway.

--
Morris Dovey
DeSoto Solar
DeSoto, Iowa USA
http://www.iedu.com/DeSoto

[email protected] wrote:
> Doug Payne wrote:
>
>>On 15/02/2006 2:53 PM, Morris Dovey wrote:
>>
>>
>>>WD (in [email protected]) said:
>>>|
>>>| Would you be his drinking and hunting partner?
>>>
>>>ROFLMAO
>>>
>>>I think I've already used up my lifetime quota of near misses - and
>>>I've been shot _at_ twice while hunting. Thanks anyway.
>>
>>Yeah, me too. There ain't nothin' like the sound of a 30-06 round
>>hitting a tree next to your head. And then there was the guy who once
>>shot the sh*t out of my decoys. You never saw so much styrofoam carnage
>>in your life. When I was a kid, someone shot a palomino horse just down
>>the road from our place; claimed he thought it was a moose. Some of the
>>locals started painting "COW" and "HORSE" on their animals during
>>hunting season.
>
>
> A farmer up in Michigan did that using yellow paint. He even
> painted "DOG" on his dog. Someone shot his tractor. It had
> "DEERE" painted on it.

That's too funny. Ergo, can't be true (hahah). Very much like this story:

http://www.snopes.com/critters/mishaps/hunters.asp

er
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Joe Barta (in [email protected]) said:

| It's interesting what we think and why we think it. Or maybe why we
| think we think it ;-)

Attorneys are trained to (and practice at) being able to argue any
point from either (complaint or defense) side convincingly.

There's a built-in occupational hazard there - in that the person
learns to de-value justice (in favor of /law/) and rationalize/justify
behaviors that the same person would never have considered had they
not become an attorney.

As far as I can tell, it takes a person with unusually strong
principles to practice law without falling into the "two-face" trap.
Regrettably, the 50% rule applies as much to lawyers as to any other
group.

It becomes a bit scary when one considers the number of lawyers
holding political office.

--
Morris Dovey
DeSoto Solar
DeSoto, Iowa USA
http://www.iedu.com/DeSoto

[email protected] wrote:
> Enoch Root wrote:
>
>>[email protected] wrote:
>>
>>>Doug Payne wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>>On 15/02/2006 2:53 PM, Morris Dovey wrote:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>WD (in [email protected]) said:
>>>>>|
>>>>>| Would you be his drinking and hunting partner?
>>>>>
>>>>>ROFLMAO
>>>>>
>>>>>I think I've already used up my lifetime quota of near misses - and
>>>>>I've been shot _at_ twice while hunting. Thanks anyway.
>>>>
>>>>Yeah, me too. There ain't nothin' like the sound of a 30-06 round
>>>>hitting a tree next to your head. And then there was the guy who once
>>>>shot the sh*t out of my decoys. You never saw so much styrofoam carnage
>>>>in your life. When I was a kid, someone shot a palomino horse just down
>>>>the road from our place; claimed he thought it was a moose. Some of the
>>>>locals started painting "COW" and "HORSE" on their animals during
>>>>hunting season.
>>>
>>>
>>>A farmer up in Michigan did that using yellow paint. He even
>>>painted "DOG" on his dog. Someone shot his tractor. It had
>>>"DEERE" painted on it.
>>
>>That's too funny. Ergo, can't be true (hahah). Very much like this story:
>>
>>http://www.snopes.com/critters/mishaps/hunters.asp
>>
>
>
> I orginally read the story in the Cleveland Plain Dealer which included
> a
> picture of his dog, with "DOG" painted on his side. They did not
> include
> any pictures of the alleged bullet hole in his tractor.

Snopes has an "ostension" category wherein an individual acts out some
of the details of the legend...

Not saying you're wrong, just that there's a lot of ground for
interpretation.

er
--
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On 2/15/2006 11:00 PM Joe Barta mumbled something about the following:
> sumdume wrote:
>
>> I would rather Hunt with Cheney than ride in a car with Ted Kennedy!
>
> I'd bet a night out partying with Uncle Ted might be fun ;-)
>
>> What a Jackass stunt! Cheney should not have taken shot behind him.
>
> According to his interview today, the man shot was about 30 yds to
> Cheney's right, in a bit of a gully and some brush. Add to that, the
> setting sun was in that direction as well. Cheney claims he just
> didn't expect his friend to be there and didn't see him until it was
> too late.
>
> I should mention that I'm not a hunter and I don't know a thing about
> proper hunting procedure or safety.
>

How could Cheney not know he was in that direction? He had gone out for
a kill, Cheney and others had gone off after another covey and flushed
it. I'm sorry, but when hunting in a group, you ALWAYS know what
direction the rest of the members in the group are.

--
Odinn
RCOS #7 SENS BS ???

"The more I study religions the more I am convinced that man never
worshiped anything but himself." -- Sir Richard Francis Burton

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rot13 [email protected] to reply

In article <[email protected]>, [email protected] (J T) wrote:
>http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/11340558/
>
> Gotta love Texas, they've definitely got their priorities in order.
>They cite Cheney for not having a bird hunting stamp, but don't say
>anything about him shooting a lawyer. I guess that means you don't need
>a stamp for hunting vermin.

I didn't think you needed a license to hunt lawyers --? Wonder if Texas might
actually have a *bounty* on them.

--
Regards,
Doug Miller (alphageek at milmac dot com)

It's time to throw all their damned tea in the harbor again.

"J T" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/11340558/
>
I guess that means you don't need a stamp for hunting vermin.

That is correct. Thank goodness.

Robatoy wrote:

> (Is this thread spiralling out of control?)

You'll have that.

All this lawyer-bashing is interesting. Talk about "group-think".
Plumbers probably rip off an awful lot of people... but are there any
plumber jokes? What about "why don't sharks eat auto mechanics?" I
know, has no flavor.

There was time when being a lawyer was considered an honorable
profession. Now it's an honorable profession to GO in... not BE in.
Case in point... if I said I had a son working his way through law
school it might elicit an "aw, that's swell" response. "What a good
boy... he's gonna be a lawyer!"

But once he's a lawyer... or lawyers in general... errbody KNOWS what
those damn lawyers are like. Oddly, I wonder if we feel the same about
female lawyers? The whole lawyer-bashing business does seem to work
better when we just assume it's male lawyers we're talking about.

It's interesting what we think and why we think it. Or maybe why we
think we think it ;-)

Rambling... again. If only my trust fund would run out... then I'd be
forced to do something more useful with my time :-)

Joe Barta

Leon wrote:

> Or could it be that lawyers had to get a degree to learn to screw
> people, plumbers and mechanics come by it naturally. LOL

That's pretty damn funny :-)

sumdume wrote:

> I would rather Hunt with Cheney than ride in a car with Ted Kennedy!

I'd bet a night out partying with Uncle Ted might be fun ;-)

> What a Jackass stunt! Cheney should not have taken shot behind him.

According to his interview today, the man shot was about 30 yds to
Cheney's right, in a bit of a gully and some brush. Add to that, the
setting sun was in that direction as well. Cheney claims he just
didn't expect his friend to be there and didn't see him until it was
too late.

I should mention that I'm not a hunter and I don't know a thing about
proper hunting procedure or safety.

Joe Barta

JGS <[email protected]> wrote in news:[email protected]:

>
> One day a Jew, a Hindu, and a lawyer all arrived at their hotel to find
> that there had been a mix-up with the bookings, and that there was only
> one room left for them to share. The manager explained that this room
> only had two beds, but that there was a barn at a neighbouring farm
> which the farmer, an old friend of his, would let one of them sleep in
> free of charge. They complained a bit, but since there was nowhere else
> to go, the Jew graciously said he'd sleep in the barn.
>
> The Hindu and the lawyer were just settling down to sleep in their room,
> when there was a knock on the door. It was the Jew. "I'm sorry," he
> said, "but there's a pig in that barn and because I'm Jewish I feel
> uncomfortable about sharing the barn with it."
>
> "No problem," said the Hindu. "I'll sleep out there instead." So off he
> went to the barn, leaving the lawyer and the Jew to share the room. They
> were just settling down to sleep, when there was a knock on the door. It
> was the Hindu. "I'm sorry," he said, "but there's a cow in that barn and
> because I'm a Hindu I feel uncomfortable about sharing the barn with
> it."
>
> The lawyer grudgingly agreed to give up his bed and stomped off to the
> barn, leaving the Jew and the Hindu to share the room. The Jew and the
> Hindu were just settling down to sleep, when here was a knock on the
> door. It was the cow and the pig.

I heard that Vice President Cheney telephoned President Clinton the other
day. It sorta went like this:
"Bill, Dick Cheney. How about going quail hunting this weekend? And bring
the wife."

"Kevin Craig" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:150220060226259106%[email protected]...
> In article <[email protected]>, tom

>
> Never been quail hunting, have you, Tom?


Well while quail tend to run around on the ground and you do tend to shoot
low, there is no excuse for not knowing what is in your range when shooting.
Just plain stupid and I am betting Cheney will never make that mistake
again. When there are people out retrieving birds all guns should be
pointed down.

"Joe Barta" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> Robatoy wrote:
>
>> (Is this thread spiralling out of control?)
>
> You'll have that.
>
> All this lawyer-bashing is interesting. Talk about "group-think".
> Plumbers probably rip off an awful lot of people... but are there any
> plumber jokes? What about "why don't sharks eat auto mechanics?" I
> know, has no flavor.

Perhaps it is the snooty arrogant attitude that most lawyers have.
Plumbers and mechanics are mostly normal all the time.
Or could it be that lawyers had to get a degree to learn to screw people,
plumbers and mechanics come by it naturally. LOL

"George Max" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> On 14 Feb 2006 09:41:20 -0800, "tom" <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>>And the White House tries to pin this on Whittington! Incredible! Tom
>
> Isn't it always open season on lawyers? ;)
>
> What's the difference between a lawyer and a vulture?
>
> The lawyer can take his wingtips off.

What's the difference between a lawyer and a carp?

One is a bottom feeding scum sucker...

The other's a fish.

"Odinn" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> On 2/15/2006 11:00 PM Joe Barta mumbled something about the following:
>> sumdume wrote:
>>
>>> I would rather Hunt with Cheney than ride in a car with Ted Kennedy!
>>
>> I'd bet a night out partying with Uncle Ted might be fun ;-)
>>
>>> What a Jackass stunt! Cheney should not have taken shot behind him.
>>
>> According to his interview today, the man shot was about 30 yds to
>> Cheney's right, in a bit of a gully and some brush. Add to that, the
>> setting sun was in that direction as well. Cheney claims he just didn't
>> expect his friend to be there and didn't see him until it was too late.
>>
>> I should mention that I'm not a hunter and I don't know a thing about
>> proper hunting procedure or safety.
>>
>
> How could Cheney not know he was in that direction? He had gone out for a
> kill, Cheney and others had gone off after another covey and flushed it.
> I'm sorry, but when hunting in a group, you ALWAYS know what direction the
> rest of the members in the group are.
>
> --
> Odinn
> RCOS #7 SENS BS ???
>
> "The more I study religions the more I am convinced that man never
> worshiped anything but himself." -- Sir Richard Francis Burton
>
> Reeky's unofficial homepage ... http://www.reeky.org
> '03 FLHTI ........... http://www.sloanclan.org/gallery/ElectraGlide
> '97 VN1500D ......... http://www.sloanclan.org/gallery/VulcanClassic
> Atlanta Biker Net ... http://www.atlantabiker.net
> Vulcan Riders Assoc . http://www.vulcanriders.org
>
> rot13 [email protected] to reply

In article <bCrIf.76629$_D1.19368@trnddc03>,
"Al Reid" <[email protected]> wrote:

> "George Max" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> news:[email protected]...
> > On 14 Feb 2006 09:41:20 -0800, "tom" <[email protected]> wrote:
> >
> >>And the White House tries to pin this on Whittington! Incredible! Tom
> >
> > Isn't it always open season on lawyers? ;)
> >
> > What's the difference between a lawyer and a vulture?
> >
> > The lawyer can take his wingtips off.
>
> What's the difference between a lawyer and a carp?
>
> One is a bottom feeding scum sucker...
>
> The other's a fish.

Good news: A bus with lawyers tumbled off a cliff. All died.
Bad news: There were empty seats.

What is brown and looks good on a lawyer?
.
.
.
.
.

A Doberman.
















(Is this thread spiralling out of control?)

In article <[email protected]>,
"Leon" <[email protected]> wrote:

> "Joe Barta" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> news:[email protected]...
> > Robatoy wrote:
> >
> >> (Is this thread spiralling out of control?)
> >
> > You'll have that.
> >
> > All this lawyer-bashing is interesting. Talk about "group-think".
> > Plumbers probably rip off an awful lot of people... but are there any
> > plumber jokes? What about "why don't sharks eat auto mechanics?" I
> > know, has no flavor.
>
> Perhaps it is the snooty arrogant attitude that most lawyers have.
> Plumbers and mechanics are mostly normal all the time.
> Or could it be that lawyers had to get a degree to learn to screw people,
> plumbers and mechanics come by it naturally. LOL

Damn, Leon... that was a new keyboard...

On 15/02/2006 2:53 PM, Morris Dovey wrote:

> WD (in [email protected]) said:
> |
> | Would you be his drinking and hunting partner?
>
> ROFLMAO
>
> I think I've already used up my lifetime quota of near misses - and
> I've been shot _at_ twice while hunting. Thanks anyway.

Yeah, me too. There ain't nothin' like the sound of a 30-06 round
hitting a tree next to your head. And then there was the guy who once
shot the sh*t out of my decoys. You never saw so much styrofoam carnage
in your life. When I was a kid, someone shot a palomino horse just down
the road from our place; claimed he thought it was a moose. Some of the
locals started painting "COW" and "HORSE" on their animals during
hunting season.

On 15/02/2006 4:01 PM, [email protected] wrote:

> A farmer up in Michigan did that using yellow paint. He even
> painted "DOG" on his dog. Someone shot his tractor. It had
> "DEERE" painted on it.

Prolly the same hunter. The palomino story comes from when I lived in N.
Ontario, just across the border from MI.

On Wed, 15 Feb 2006 00:28:16 GMT, Joe Barta <[email protected]> wrote:

>Robatoy wrote:
>
>> (Is this thread spiralling out of control?)
>
>You'll have that.
>
>All this lawyer-bashing is interesting. Talk about "group-think".
>Plumbers probably rip off an awful lot of people... but are there any
>plumber jokes?

In what way is a Doctor & Plumber alike?

They both bury their mistakes.

----------------------------------

How many plumbers does it take to screw in a light bulb?

Three...

A boss to tell a plumber, a plumber to tell a helper, a helper to get
his electrician friend to do it on the side.

Two...

One to get the beer and one to call the electrician.


> What about "why don't sharks eat auto mechanics?" I
>know, has no flavor.

When my husband and I arrived at an automobile dealership to pick up
our car, we were told that the keys had been accidentally locked in
it. We went to the service department and found a mechanic working
feverishly to unlock the driver's side door.

As I watched from the passenger's side, I instinctively tried the door
handle and discovered it was open. "Hey," I announced to the
technician, "It's open!"

"I know," answered the young man. "I already got that side."

>
>There was time when being a lawyer was considered an honorable
>profession.

Are you a lawyer?

The lawyers I know think most lawyer jokes are pretty funny....

I'm an engineer:

Three freshman engineering students were sitting around one day
arguing about who might've designed the human body. The first one
said, "It must've been a mechanical engineer. The human body has all
those levers and pivots and stuff - a mechanical engineer must have
designed all that."

The second one said, "No, it had to have been an electrical engineer.
The complex way the nerves are wired up to the brain must have been
designed by an electrical engineer."

Then the third one said, "No, it was a civil engineer. Who else would
have run a waste water line through a recreational area?"

My wife is a blonde... <G>

Barry

"Odinn" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> On 2/15/2006 11:00 PM Joe Barta mumbled something about the following:
>> sumdume wrote:
>>
>>> I would rather Hunt with Cheney than ride in a car with Ted Kennedy!
>>
>> I'd bet a night out partying with Uncle Ted might be fun ;-)
>>
>>> What a Jackass stunt! Cheney should not have taken shot behind him.
>>
>> According to his interview today, the man shot was about 30 yds to
>> Cheney's right, in a bit of a gully and some brush. Add to that, the
>> setting sun was in that direction as well. Cheney claims he just didn't
>> expect his friend to be there and didn't see him until it was too late.
>>
>> I should mention that I'm not a hunter and I don't know a thing about
>> proper hunting procedure or safety.
>>
>
> How could Cheney not know he was in that direction? He had gone out for a
> kill, Cheney and others had gone off after another covey and flushed it.
> I'm sorry, but when hunting in a group, you ALWAYS know what direction the
> rest of the members in the group are.
>

Misfunctioning mouse. Sorry about the blanks.

I found a wonderful solution to hunting accidents. I stay in the house
during hunting seasons, or in my yard (not always safe, since there are
pastures and woods all around).

Every year, someone gets nailed, usually a lot worse than Whittington,
around here, even since the hunters shut up and let a blaze orange law
scrape by a few years ago. It has dropped off with the bright colors, but
the accidents still happen.

Cheney and Whittington were both lucky it was no worse, regardless of who
was at fault. Even 28 gauge pellets can be rough if enough of them strike in
the right place (as Mr. Whittington's heart attack shows). An inch or two to
the right and he'd be minus at least an eye.

This is not a political incident, so I don't get the blathering.

On Tue, 14 Feb 2006 11:32:10 -0500, [email protected] (J T)
wrote:

>http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/11340558/
>
> Gotta love Texas, they've definitely got their priorities in order.
>They cite Cheney for not having a bird hunting stamp, but don't say
>anything about him shooting a lawyer. I guess that means you don't need
>a stamp for hunting vermin.

This link now shows "breaking news" that the guy was hit in the heart
too and suffered a minor heart attack.

A lawyer friend of Dick's with a heart, that's a strange one.

"Odinn" <[email protected]> wrote in message

>> How could Cheney not know he was in that direction? He had gone out for
>> a kill, Cheney and others had gone off after another covey and flushed
>> it. I'm sorry, but when hunting in a group, you ALWAYS know what
>> direction the rest of the members in the group are.

Right. That is why there has never been a hunting accident before.

Leon (in [email protected]) said:

| range when shooting. Just plain stupid and I am betting Cheney will
| never make that mistake again.

My bet is that Harry Whittington will choose his hunting partners more
carefully in the future.

--
Morris Dovey
DeSoto Solar
DeSoto, Iowa USA
http://www.iedu.com/DeSoto

"Odinn" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> On 2/15/2006 11:00 PM Joe Barta mumbled something about the following:
>> sumdume wrote:
>>
>>> I would rather Hunt with Cheney than ride in a car with Ted Kennedy!
>>
>> I'd bet a night out partying with Uncle Ted might be fun ;-)
>>
>>> What a Jackass stunt! Cheney should not have taken shot behind him.
>>
>> According to his interview today, the man shot was about 30 yds to
>> Cheney's right, in a bit of a gully and some brush. Add to that, the
>> setting sun was in that direction as well. Cheney claims he just didn't
>> expect his friend to be there and didn't see him until it was too late.
>>
>> I should mention that I'm not a hunter and I don't know a thing about
>> proper hunting procedure or safety.
>>
>
> How could Cheney not know he was in that direction? He had gone out for a
> kill, Cheney and others had gone off after another covey and flushed it.
> I'm sorry, but when hunting in a group, you ALWAYS know what direction the
> rest of the members in the group are.
>
> --
> Odinn
> RCOS #7 SENS BS ???
>
> "The more I study religions the more I am convinced that man never
> worshiped anything but himself." -- Sir Richard Francis Burton
>
> Reeky's unofficial homepage ... http://www.reeky.org
> '03 FLHTI ........... http://www.sloanclan.org/gallery/ElectraGlide
> '97 VN1500D ......... http://www.sloanclan.org/gallery/VulcanClassic
> Atlanta Biker Net ... http://www.atlantabiker.net
> Vulcan Riders Assoc . http://www.vulcanriders.org
>
> rot13 [email protected] to reply

On 14 Feb 2006 09:41:20 -0800, "tom" <[email protected]> wrote:

>And the White House tries to pin this on Whittington! Incredible! Tom

Isn't it always open season on lawyers? ;)

What's the difference between a lawyer and a vulture?

The lawyer can take his wingtips off.

On Wed, 15 Feb 2006 02:26:25 -0600, Kevin Craig opined:

>> And the White House tries to pin this on Whittington! Incredible! Tom
>>
>
> Never been quail hunting, have you, Tom?

Looks like a situation requiring the word "and." Whittington screwed up,
AND Cheney screwed up. Still, the basic rules of firearm safety say that
you're responsible for your shot. "Know what you are shooting at, and
what's beyond."

Stuff happens. The most significant result of this mishap is the
outpouring of sympathy from Leno et al. "When people hear that he shot a
lawyer, the first thing they ask is, 'Why didn't you give him the other
barrel?'"

--
"Keep your ass behind you"
wreck20051219 at spambob.net

On Sat, 18 Feb 2006 14:54:00 -0600, Kevin Craig <[email protected]>
wrote:

>Before the Cheney accident, a poll was taken of ~850 South Dakota bird
>hunters. IIRC, 468, or 55%, reported having been peppered with shot
>while hunting. It's not pleasant, but it's almost never deadly.

As a "pepperee" I think of that as being a bit farther down range.
This guy was "shot".
Whittingham was hit virtually point blank where the line of sight and
line of fire are on a similar plane not as the shot was falling
through the terminal portion of the trajectory.
I do understand how this happens if you are concentrating on the bird
and downrange objects are out of your focus as you swing.

"J T" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/11340558/
>
> Gotta love Texas, they've definitely got their priorities in order.
> They cite Cheney for not having a bird hunting stamp, but don't say
> anything about him shooting a lawyer. I guess that means you don't need
> a stamp for hunting vermin.
>
>
>
> JOAT
> I'm busy now, can I ignore you some other time?
>

On 2/17/2006 6:11 PM Edwin Pawlowski mumbled something about the following:
> "Odinn" <[email protected]> wrote in message
>
>>> How could Cheney not know he was in that direction? He had gone out for
>>> a kill, Cheney and others had gone off after another covey and flushed
>>> it. I'm sorry, but when hunting in a group, you ALWAYS know what
>>> direction the rest of the members in the group are.
>
> Right. That is why there has never been a hunting accident before.
>
>

Most hunting accidents I've heard or known about were because of people
not paying attention because they were newbies or drunk. In this case,
I believe it is the former, but it could have been the latter.

--
Odinn
RCOS #7 SENS BS ???

"The more I study religions the more I am convinced that man never
worshiped anything but himself." -- Sir Richard Francis Burton

Reeky's unofficial homepage ... http://www.reeky.org
'03 FLHTI ........... http://www.sloanclan.org/gallery/ElectraGlide
'97 VN1500D ......... http://www.sloanclan.org/gallery/VulcanClassic
Atlanta Biker Net ... http://www.atlantabiker.net
Vulcan Riders Assoc . http://www.vulcanriders.org

rot13 [email protected] to reply

"Joe Barta" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...

>
> All this lawyer-bashing is interesting. Talk about "group-think".
> Plumbers probably rip off an awful lot of people... but are there any
> plumber jokes? What about "why don't sharks eat auto mechanics?" I
> know, has no flavor.
>
> There was time when being a lawyer was considered an honorable
> profession.

Yes, it used to be honorable. Which came first, the greedy lawyer or the
greedy injured party looking to make a big haul because they tripped on a
banana peel? Stub your toe, sue for $500,000 and give the lawyer 50%.
Something is wrong with or society that allows it to happen. It is the guy
advertising on TV that mostly give the bad name..

"Joe Barta" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> sumdume wrote:
<snip>

>
> I should mention that I'm not a hunter and I don't know a thing about
> proper hunting procedure or safety.
>
> Joe Barta
>

Any sportsman who is qualified to possess a weapon knows the 4 rules of gun
handling:
1. Always treat a gun as if it is loaded.

2. Never point it at anything you wouldn't want to shoot.

3. Never put your finger on the trigger until you're sure of your target.

4. And always check in front of, to either side, and down range from your
target before you pull the trigger.



Seems vice-king Cheney violated three out of four of those rules.