Just a warning to those ordering heavy equipment...
My Grizzly bandsaw arrived this week. Before shipping Grizzly sent an email
asking me to agree to shipping terms which included a statement that the
driver would not assist in unloading the package from the truck. I figured
that it was just BS and agreed. Not only would the driver not assist, they
wanted $50 to operate the lift!!! Fortunately there were 2 boxes (dividing
the load) and a friend and I were able to muscle the boxes off the truck.
Sure enough on the FedEx receipt was information detailing extra charges for
lift use. Geez for the price I paid to ship the thing I would think lift
use would be included. What a rip/scam!
On Aug 8, 3:19 pm, "M.Paul" <[email protected]> wrote:
> Just a warning to those ordering heavy equipment...
> My Grizzly bandsaw arrived this week. Before shipping Grizzly sent an email
> asking me to agree to shipping terms which included a statement that the
> driver would not assist in unloading the package from the truck. I figured
> that it was just BS and agreed. Not only would the driver not assist, they
> wanted $50 to operate the lift!!! Fortunately there were 2 boxes (dividing
> the load) and a friend and I were able to muscle the boxes off the truck.
> Sure enough on the FedEx receipt was information detailing extra charges for
> lift use. Geez for the price I paid to ship the thing I would think lift
> use would be included. What a rip/scam!
As John Clarke notes that's SOP. I'm a little surprised at the refusal
to use the lift gate, though. Never had that happen. There is usually
an extra charge for sending the gear out on a liftgate equipped truck,
not for using the damfool gate after arrival at the delivery point.
Stupid of FedEx, IMO.
In the good, old days, I used to get gear delivered at the top of my
drive (couple tight turns that a semi can't negotiate decently), onto
my pick-up. The driver, except for one with a bad back, always helped.
That brought him 10 bucks. I built my shop so that a full-sized pick-
up could back right up to the sliding doors and drop the load, which
means that for anything 500 pounds and down, I could usually at least
walk it off. For 500 and up, I called a friend. Usually, anyway. Some
machines walk more easily than others, and I equipped the shop with an
engine crane (best $150 I EVER spent) and a variety of come-alongs to
move the larger iron. I think the worst was a Grizz 24" bandsaw at
something like a very tall 750 pounds.
That said, there is NO requirement that a driver touch the material on
his truck for most companies. That's a big draw when companies are
short of drivers and hiring. No load handling.
Today's driver is usually in a fancy uniform, while these guys were in
ratty old khakis or jeans, so maybe that's the real difference.
On Aug 9, 12:56 pm, Tom Watson <[email protected]> wrote:
SNIP of some pretty precise info
> Now, WTF was it about the above that you did not understand?
You sound as confused as I am. I don't know how it could be clearer.
This is the guy that necessitates the warnings on paint that says not
to ingest it. He is the guy that requires a sticker that says hot
soldering irons can cause burns. He is the guy that needs to read the
warning on a bag of charcoal to tell him not to barbecue in the house,
or heat his house with an open charcoal pit. This is the person that
has to be reminded at the propane filling station that open flames or
leaking gas could cause explosions.
How long does the cycle of Darwinism take to work again?
Robert
"M.Paul" <[email protected]> wrote in message
>
>
> Actually we were joking around especially after I had to walk down the
> street to prevent him from delivering my saw to a neighbor at the end of
> the street - he didn't check the street address (urban area - number
> painted on curb) just thought that because there were a couple of
> contruction trucks parked down the street, that must be where the saw
> goes. He was very pleasant, just made it very clear that no help
> unloading was to be offered.
*************************************
I can understand the guy not helping lift the packages. He is not allowed to
as he can get injured and may even have a bad back already. What amazes me
is that he could stand there and watch you struggle and demand $50 to use
the lift. He may have been laughing with you on the outside, but inside he
was being a real prick.
Drivers are like any cross section of society. Most are nice people but
there are always a few jerks.
On Fri, 8 Aug 2008 12:19:20 -0700, "M.Paul"
<[email protected]> wrote:
>Just a warning to those ordering heavy equipment...
>My Grizzly bandsaw arrived this week. Before shipping Grizzly sent an email
>asking me to agree to shipping terms which included a statement that the
>driver would not assist in unloading the package from the truck. I figured
>that it was just BS and agreed. Not only would the driver not assist, they
>wanted $50 to operate the lift!!! Fortunately there were 2 boxes (dividing
>the load) and a friend and I were able to muscle the boxes off the truck.
>Sure enough on the FedEx receipt was information detailing extra charges for
>lift use. Geez for the price I paid to ship the thing I would think lift
>use would be included. What a rip/scam!
>
From the Grizzly website:
"Truck drivers are subject to a number of regulations, one of which is
that they are not required to give assistance unloading. Please be
prepared for this "curbside" delivery, as you are responsible for
unloading the item(s) and placing them in your shop. This normally
takes a couple of "friends". Your location must be tractor-trailer
accessible. We recommend that you make arrangements with the trucking
company to take delivery at the freight terminal if you can. They
will load it onto your vehicle. Make sure your vehicle is capable of
handling the weight. Also, bring plenty of tie downs to properly
secure the load.
We have a discounted lift program available. Please ask your order
taker for more details."
Now, WTF was it about the above that you did not understand?
Regards, Tom.
Thos. J. Watson - Cabinetmaker
http://home.comcast.net/~tjwatson1/
tjwatson1ATcomcastDOTnet
On 2008-08-08 19:10:32 -0700, "David G. Nagel"
<[email protected]> said:
> B A R R Y wrote:
>> J. Clarke wrote:
>>>
>>> Standard operating procedure. If you don't have a loading dock and a
>>> forklift then make sure that it's absolutely clear how the load will be
>>> gotten off the truck _in_ _advance_.
>>>
>>
>> Better mail order houses will explicitly state at time of order that
>> the truck driver will not unload, and lift gate or straight truck
>> service may cost more.
>>
>> The beef is with the machine dealer, not the trucking company.
>
>
> Gentlemen;
>
> It is usually a union thing. Most if not all trucking company drivers
> are members of the Teamsters Union.
>
> Dave N
You obviously know NOTHING of freight industry or the Teamsters Union.
On 2008-08-09 14:16:20 -0700, "todd" <[email protected]> said:
>
> "Tom Watson" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> news:[email protected]...
>> On Fri, 8 Aug 2008 12:19:20 -0700, "M.Paul"
>> <[email protected]> wrote:
>>
>>> Just a warning to those ordering heavy equipment...
>>> My Grizzly bandsaw arrived this week. Before shipping Grizzly sent an
>>> email
>>> asking me to agree to shipping terms which included a statement that the
>>> driver would not assist in unloading the package from the truck. I
>>> figured
>>> that it was just BS and agreed. Not only would the driver not assist,
>>> they
>>> wanted $50 to operate the lift!!! Fortunately there were 2 boxes
>>> (dividing
>>> the load) and a friend and I were able to muscle the boxes off the truck.
>>> Sure enough on the FedEx receipt was information detailing extra charges
>>> for
>>> lift use. Geez for the price I paid to ship the thing I would think lift
>>> use would be included. What a rip/scam!
>>>
>>
>>
>> From the Grizzly website:
>>
>> "Truck drivers are subject to a number of regulations, one of which is
>> that they are not required to give assistance unloading. Please be
>> prepared for this "curbside" delivery, as you are responsible for
>> unloading the item(s) and placing them in your shop. This normally
>> takes a couple of "friends". Your location must be tractor-trailer
>> accessible. We recommend that you make arrangements with the trucking
>> company to take delivery at the freight terminal if you can. They
>> will load it onto your vehicle. Make sure your vehicle is capable of
>> handling the weight. Also, bring plenty of tie downs to properly
>> secure the load.
>>
>> We have a discounted lift program available. Please ask your order
>> taker for more details."
>>
>>
>> Now, WTF was it about the above that you did not understand?
>
> After reading the responses, I guess I could understand if the trucking
> company sent out a truck without a lift gate. I imagine they're in shorter
> supply than trucks without one. But once it was there, I don't see what the
> driver gained by not using it. He just guaranteed himself a longer stop and
> no tip. If it was me, I wouldn't have complained, but it would have given
> me a chuckle.
>
> todd
From a retired ABF driver
When ABF is required or requested to employ mechanical loading or
unloading devices to accomplish pickup or delivery of freight, an
additional charge of $4.50 per 100 pounds of actual weight will be
assessed, but not less than $121.65 nor more than $257.15 per shipment
per trailer.
The charges for this service shall be paid by the party for whom the
service is performed. On single line shipments, the charges may be
guaranteed by the shipper.
At locations where ABF does not maintain suitable equipment and elects
to outsource lifting or lowering devices to accomplish pickup or
delivery, additional equipment charges incurred by ABF will be
collected from the party requesting this service.
ABF is not obligated to perform this service where suitable equipment
or operators are unavailable, nor at locations inaccessible to our
vehicles, or where the safety of our vehicles or personnel is
jeopardized.
I think you would have gotten off easy with a $50 lift charge.
On 2008-08-10 15:55:42 -0700, "David G. Nagel"
<[email protected]> said:
> Vidkid26 wrote:
>> On 2008-08-08 19:10:32 -0700, "David G. Nagel"
>> <[email protected]> said:
>>
>>> B A R R Y wrote:
>>>> J. Clarke wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> Standard operating procedure. If you don't have a loading dock and a
>>>>> forklift then make sure that it's absolutely clear how the load will be
>>>>> gotten off the truck _in_ _advance_.
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Better mail order houses will explicitly state at time of order that
>>>> the truck driver will not unload, and lift gate or straight truck
>>>> service may cost more.
>>>>
>>>> The beef is with the machine dealer, not the trucking company.
>>>
>>>
>>> Gentlemen;
>>>
>>> It is usually a union thing. Most if not all trucking company drivers
>>> are members of the Teamsters Union.
>>>
>>> Dave N
>>
>> You obviously know NOTHING of freight industry or the Teamsters Union.
>>
> You obviously know NOTHING of what I know. I was not blaming the
> Teamster Union for the clause in their contracts that limit the manual
> labor involved in making a delivery. If the employer wants the driver
> to off load the delivery then the driver will be compensated and
> insured. As the man said: been there, done that, got the bill for it.
>
> Dave N
What you don't know , is that there is no clause in the Teamster
contract that limit the manual labor involved in making a delivery when
it pertains to a residential delivery. Its governed by the taffifs
charged by the company. When it requires a lifgate a charge is applied
and proper equiptment is supplied, including labor.
On 2008-08-10 16:16:27 -0700, Tom Watson <[email protected]> said:
> On Sun, 10 Aug 2008 22:56:31 GMT, Vidkid26 <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>
>
>> From a retired ABF driver
>>
>> When ABF is required or requested to employ mechanical loading or
>> unloading devices to accomplish pickup or delivery of freight, an
>> additional charge of $4.50 per 100 pounds of actual weight will be
>> assessed, but not less than $121.65 nor more than $257.15 per shipment
>> per trailer.
>> The charges for this service shall be paid by the party for whom the
>> service is performed. On single line shipments, the charges may be
>> guaranteed by the shipper.
>> At locations where ABF does not maintain suitable equipment and elects
>> to outsource lifting or lowering devices to accomplish pickup or
>> delivery, additional equipment charges incurred by ABF will be
>> collected from the party requesting this service.
>> ABF is not obligated to perform this service where suitable equipment
>> or operators are unavailable, nor at locations inaccessible to our
>> vehicles, or where the safety of our vehicles or personnel is
>> jeopardized.
>> I think you would have gotten off easy with a $50 lift charge.
>
>
> As part of my job as a project manager for a millwork company that
> made store fixtures I negotiated rates with trucking firms for
> deliveries all over the country.
>
> Although we always tried to use dedicated trailers, there were times
> when this was not possible, as in shipments to stores that were
> already open and needed only some replacement pieces.
>
> I was always able to spec LTL shipments with lift gates and driver
> assistance at rates substantially below the published market rates.
>
> I would suspect that an outfit like Grizzly has agreements with
> multiple providers about this but the deal has to be made when the
> truck is ordered, not to be negotiated by the customer once the
> delivery arrives.
>
> Of course, when there was a problem, a cup of coffee and a dead
> president went a long way to smooth things over.
>
>
>
> Regards, Tom.
>
> Thos. J. Watson - Cabinetmaker
> http://home.comcast.net/~tjwatson1/
> tjwatson1ATcomcastDOTnet
I agree. it burns my pies when someone puts the blame on the driver.
Most people have no idea the restraints or problems envolved in a
typical residential freight delivery. Every delivery is unique. After
doing them for more than 25 years, I think I am well qualified. One of
the reasons for retirement was that I had had enough of dealing with
guys lik the OP
On 2008-08-09 10:56:33 -0700, Tom Watson <[email protected]> said:
> On Fri, 8 Aug 2008 12:19:20 -0700, "M.Paul"
> <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>> Just a warning to those ordering heavy equipment...
>> My Grizzly bandsaw arrived this week. Before shipping Grizzly sent an email
>> asking me to agree to shipping terms which included a statement that the
>> driver would not assist in unloading the package from the truck. I figured
>> that it was just BS and agreed. Not only would the driver not assist, they
>> wanted $50 to operate the lift!!! Fortunately there were 2 boxes (dividing
>> the load) and a friend and I were able to muscle the boxes off the truck.
>> Sure enough on the FedEx receipt was information detailing extra charges for
>> lift use. Geez for the price I paid to ship the thing I would think lift
>> use would be included. What a rip/scam!
>>
>
>
> From the Grizzly website:
>
> "Truck drivers are subject to a number of regulations, one of which is
> that they are not required to give assistance unloading. Please be
> prepared for this "curbside" delivery, as you are responsible for
> unloading the item(s) and placing them in your shop. This normally
> takes a couple of "friends". Your location must be tractor-trailer
> accessible. We recommend that you make arrangements with the trucking
> company to take delivery at the freight terminal if you can. They
> will load it onto your vehicle. Make sure your vehicle is capable of
> handling the weight. Also, bring plenty of tie downs to properly
> secure the load.
>
> We have a discounted lift program available. Please ask your order
> taker for more details."
>
>
> Now, WTF was it about the above that you did not understand?
>
>
>
>
>
>
> Regards, Tom.
>
> Thos. J. Watson - Cabinetmaker
> http://home.comcast.net/~tjwatson1/
> tjwatson1ATcomcastDOTnet
This is taken directly from the rec.anti FAQ
13. WHAT SHOULD I DO WHEN THE TRUCKDRIVER REFUSES TO UNLOAD AND SET UP
MY NEW 2000LB MAIL ORDER BLURFL?
Truck Drivers should be required to break their backs because you
ordered from a mail-order company to get a price break and not from
your local dealer. To hell with OSHA and all other stupid government
regulations. Its a real ripoff when you pay $25.00 for shipping 1000
pounds across the continent and then have to pay a whole bunch more to
get it unloaded at your house. Lift gates should be compulsory on all
semi trailers, to force the freight companies to deal fairly with
their hobbyist woodworking customer, who are the largest part of their
business. Do they think everybody has a loading dock in their
workshop? Its obviously not the mail order company since they always
make sure they get the best, fastest, and most expensive shipping
methods and always specify FAS delivery.
Its sad that some people actually believe this :)
Vid...
On Aug 9, 6:49 pm, "J. Clarke" <[email protected]> wrote:
> [email protected] wrote:
> This is the person who makes you wish they did not put the "do not
> eat" label on Claymores.
No kidding...
But the strange thing is that they obviously don't comprehend or
believe the things they read, so how in the hell do they get this far?
Robert
Well, this is certainly one of the stranger whines I have seen here
lately. Here's what I read:
" I knowing entered into a written contract after reading it and
understanding its contents. My confirmation of understanding its
terms and conditions is verified by my signature agreeing to them.
Well... those sorry bastards not only did what they said they would
do, but stuck straight to the contract.
They didn't give me anything extra, nor did they operate outside the
terms of the signed agreement.
What bunch of sorry asses."
Nitwits like that are the reason people need detailed contracts. To
steal from Mark Twain, "folks seem to 'disremeber' the things they
want to pretty easy".
Believe it or not, I have a client like that about once a year. For
example: "Well Robert, I know you said you and your guys specifically
wouldn't do the electrical work and that you would call a licensed
electrician if I decided to change the plugs, but how hard is it to
change out and those kitchen plugs and convert them to the GFE things
you are talking about?"
Using the bizarre logic of the OP, the remind me of how much they are
spending with me (on a job I had to use a sharp pencil to get!), and
yet want even more free.
Yet as with the last guy that approached me with that, he was stumped
at my analogy. He was an accountant. So I said, "If I came in one
day and paid off my account as per our agreement for your services,
how would you respond if I told you that you should give me two free
hours of accounting/tax time simply because I paid my bill?"
I could see the gear grinding, but alas, no answer. Worse, he was now
embarrassed so he acted like a prick for a few days.
Sometimes with the old farts I get the old "well, in my day we used to
do electrical work with a set of broken pliers, a chipped screwdriver
and some bailing wire, and we never burned anything down." I hand
them a pair of pliers and s screwdriver; "there's always another
chance for you, sir".
I have a friend that has been shuffling freight for many years in the
business. He told YEARS ago that simply because there is a gate on
the truck, the driver may not be authorized or qualified to use it.
And like the poster above that got a tiny package in a huge truck,
they have to send the truck at hand or the one that makes the most
sense when they are fulfilling their contractual obligations. It is
not the responsibility of the company to make sure it makes sense to
the guy that gets the package.
Further, the OP shows his ignorance of the business world by never
having had the pleasure of being sued. If the driver does something
that the company was not contracted to do and there is a problem, who
pays? Who pays if the items falls off the lift, the lift
malfunctions, etc.?
If the driver doesn't have to push, heave, lift, pry, strain or
anything else, chances of injury are small. So no back injuries
likely. Shipping is less as less coverage is needed, and only one guy
is needed for the delivery.
About four years ago, this same guy bought an entire Jet shop from
Amazon. I sat and listened while he organized the delivery. "Who do
you guys use? Do they have lifts, are they available? What is box
floor height? Can I switch freighters?"
He had all his stuff sent to the DSL distribution point, and sent a
"hot shot" moving company out there to retrieve all of it for him.
Amazon shipping: free. Burly guys that thought picking up
>palletized< machines was a piece of cake with their pallet jack,
delivery of same to the driveway next to the garage (shop) door: $175
for his tablesaw, 15" planer, monster dust collector, and 16" bandaw.
I guess none of that matters, though. I am still shaking my head...
...they told me in writing they were going to do something and they
did it...
To complain about that is odd indeed.
I should have such luck on a daily basis.
Robert
DHL doesn't deliver to physical address in MAINE
they drop ship to nearest post office .you must pick up there
"J. Clarke" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> M.Paul wrote:
>> Just a warning to those ordering heavy equipment...
>> My Grizzly bandsaw arrived this week. Before shipping Grizzly sent
>> an email asking me to agree to shipping terms which included a
>> statement that the driver would not assist in unloading the package
>> from the truck. I figured that it was just BS and agreed. Not only
>> would the driver not assist, they wanted $50 to operate the lift!!!
>> Fortunately there were 2 boxes (dividing the load) and a friend and
>> I
>> were able to muscle the boxes off the truck. Sure enough on the
>> FedEx
>> receipt was information detailing extra charges for lift use. Geez
>> for the price I paid to ship the thing I would think lift use would
>> be included. What a rip/scam!
>
> Standard operating procedure. If you don't have a loading dock and a
> forklift then make sure that it's absolutely clear how the load will
> be gotten off the truck _in_ _advance_.
>
> --
> --
> --John
> to email, dial "usenet" and validate
> (was jclarke at eye bee em dot net)
>
>
Hello, Edwin!
You wrote on Fri, 8 Aug 2008 23:53:14 -0400:
EP> "M.Paul" <[email protected]> wrote in message
EP> news:[email protected]...
>> Before shipping Grizzly sent an email asking me to agree to shipping
>> terms which included a statement that the driver would not assist in
>> unloading the package from the truck. I figured that it was just BS
>> and agreed.
EP> Well that was dumb.
I guess that I have just been spoiled by other deliveries where the same BS
was stated yet the driver was happy to not only help unload but also help
move to yard or garage location. Costco deliveries come to mind.
>> Not only would the driver not assist, they wanted $50 to operate the
EP>
>> lift!!!
EP> That is BS. It would only take the driver a few minutes
EP> and get him
EP> a tip.
EP> I have to wonder if you were maybe a little
EP> feisty when you learned
EP> the
EP> driver would not help so he decided
EP> to be a prick about the lift
EP> gate. If
EP> you specify lift gate
EP> delivery there is often a charge for it as
EP> they have
EP> to send a
EP> trailer that is equipped. Never had a driver with one
EP> that was
EP>
EP> equipped hesitate to use it though.
Actually we were joking around especially after I had to walk down the
street to prevent him from delivering my saw to a neighbor at the end of the
street - he didn't check the street address (urban area - number painted on
curb) just thought that because there were a couple of contruction trucks
parked down the street, that must be where the saw goes. He was very
pleasant, just made it very clear that no help unloading was to be offered.
[email protected] wrote:
> It seems to many these days to simply mean a tacit agreement, molded
> to their advantage as needed.
Translated into lawyerese: "It was merely a statement of /intent/."
>-(
--
Morris Dovey
DeSoto Solar
DeSoto, Iowa USA
http://www.iedu.com/DeSoto/
Vidkid26 <[email protected]> wrote in news:2008081016302143658-
vidkid@nowherecom:
>
> I agree. it burns my pies when someone puts the blame on the driver.
> Most people have no idea the restraints or problems envolved in a
> typical residential freight delivery. Every delivery is unique. After
> doing them for more than 25 years, I think I am well qualified. One of
> the reasons for retirement was that I had had enough of dealing with
> guys lik the OP
>
Just out of curiosity, how difficult would it be to unload say a 700 lb
tool (we'll say its packaged in a rectangular carton) from the truck to the
bed of a pickup? (A full size pickup, not a refrigerator mover.) I think
there's a height difference of about a foot, maybe 16". Would some kind of
ramp make it that much easier?
I'm not planing to do this any time soon, just asking because I'm curious.
Puckdropper
--
If you're quiet, your teeth never touch your ankles.
To email me directly, send a message to puckdropper (at) fastmail.fm
On Aug 9, 11:46 am, Charlie Self <[email protected]> wrote:
> Reminds me of a boss I had maybe five or six years ago. She asked me
> to talk another writer out of a deal she'd made with him, because, "it
> wasn't a contract, just a letter." Ah, the blessings of having leaders
> with MBAs!
And we shall be blessed even further. Many of these self serving
nitwits deem it necessary to procreate, so we will have even more of
their offspring among us that don't understand what a contract
actually means.
It seems to many these days to simply mean a tacit agreement, molded
to their advantage as needed.
What happened to the good old days about being pissed off because
someone lied to you and didn't do what they agreed to do?
Man do I feel like a dinosaur.
Robert
On Aug 10, 11:53=A0am, LRod <[email protected]> wrote:
> On Sun, 10 Aug 2008 10:36:27 +0300, "Rick Samuel"
>
> <[email protected]> wrote:
>
> >> This is the guy that necessitates the warnings on paint that says not
> >> to ingest it. =A0He is the guy that requires a sticker that says hot
> >> soldering irons can cause burns. =A0He is the guy that needs to read t=
he
> >> warning on a bag of charcoal to tell him not to barbecue in the house,
> >> or heat his house with an open charcoal pit. This is the person that
> >> has to be reminded at the propane filling station that open flames or
> >> leaking gas could cause explosions.
> >> Robert
>
> > My dad worked for the Federal Trade Comm. =A0A law suit came in from a =
guy
> >who used a gas powered rotary lawnmower to trim the sides of his hedges.
> >Picked it up, flipped it 90 degrees and trimmed away, till...OOOPS!! =A0=
He was
> >hurt, it's the lawnmower company's fault.
>
> Wow! Maybe you can get a case number or some other positive
> identifying data about that case, because Snopes has been looking for
> something to confirm that story (which has been around for years) but
> hasn't been able to find anything.
>
> But don't listen to me:
>
> http://www.snopes.com/legal/trimmer.asp
>
*IF* a gasoline powered lawnmower could run on it's side, it wouldn't
run that way for long as my intuition tells me that the oil from the
crank-case would take out the piston pretty quickly (maybe a 2
stroke?) and as those mowers have no fuel-pump, I can't imagine it
running for very long.
I say shenanigans!!
B A R R Y wrote:
> Edwin Pawlowski wrote:
>>
>> If you specify lift gate delivery there is often a charge for it as
>> they have to send a trailer that is equipped. Never had a driver with
>> one that was equipped hesitate to use it though.
>
> Oddly enough, all three big tools I've mail ordered were AIR FREIGHTED
> to Bradley Airport, and delivered by EGL, complete with straight truck,
> pallet jack, and lift gate. The air freight thing always makes me
> wonder...
>
> I also have experience with other trucking companies, not with power
> tools, sending 53' trailers for residential delivery.
A few years ago I bought my wife one of those Endless Pools. It comes as
a kit and weights about 1500 lbs. There was an optional charge of $50 to
have the parts off loaded and placed where I wanted them, which was in
the basement. I also requested the delivery be made using a straight
truck as I lived at the end of a residential street. Well, the delivery
was made using a full size single axle semi. There were two men on the
truck and they worked their a's off. I backed my utility trailer down
the drive (100') and they loaded the parts on it then unloaded it and
took the parts down the basement. Best $50 I ever spent. Of course this
was on the back end of a $20,000 swimming pool. Also the best money I
ever spent. Nothing like going down stairs, stripping off and jumping in
for a swim each night.
Dave Nagel
If any of you guys buy one of these Endless Pools give them my name so I
can get the $200 finder's fee. HI HI...
Edwin Pawlowski wrote:
>
> If you specify lift gate delivery there is often a charge for it as they have
> to send a trailer that is equipped. Never had a driver with one that was
> equipped hesitate to use it though.
Oddly enough, all three big tools I've mail ordered were AIR FREIGHTED
to Bradley Airport, and delivered by EGL, complete with straight truck,
pallet jack, and lift gate. The air freight thing always makes me
wonder...
I also have experience with other trucking companies, not with power
tools, sending 53' trailers for residential delivery.
B A R R Y wrote:
> J. Clarke wrote:
>>
>> Standard operating procedure. If you don't have a loading dock and a
>> forklift then make sure that it's absolutely clear how the load will
>> be gotten off the truck _in_ _advance_.
>>
>
> Better mail order houses will explicitly state at time of order that the
> truck driver will not unload, and lift gate or straight truck service
> may cost more.
>
> The beef is with the machine dealer, not the trucking company.
Gentlemen;
It is usually a union thing. Most if not all trucking company drivers
are members of the Teamsters Union.
Dave N
M.Paul wrote:
> Just a warning to those ordering heavy equipment...
> My Grizzly bandsaw arrived this week. Before shipping Grizzly sent an email
> asking me to agree to shipping terms which included a statement that the
> driver would not assist in unloading the package from the truck. I figured
> that it was just BS and agreed. Not only would the driver not assist, they
> wanted $50 to operate the lift!!! Fortunately there were 2 boxes (dividing
> the load) and a friend and I were able to muscle the boxes off the truck.
> Sure enough on the FedEx receipt was information detailing extra charges for
> lift use. Geez for the price I paid to ship the thing I would think lift
> use would be included. What a rip/scam!
>
>
When FedEx delivered my Griz bandsaw (about 5 yr ago), the driver was
a cute young woman. She took it off the truck onto a hand truck and
refused any help. She took it across the yard and INTO the shop. What
a girl!
I have had my lathes delivered to the local home-owned lumber yard
saving me the extra $50 for home delivery. The lumber yard owner (a
friend) took his fork lift and set the lathe on my trailer and refused
any pay. I took his wife my first bowl from the lathe.
--
Gerald Ross
Cochran, GA
A flashlight is a case for holding
dead batteries.
"Zz Yzx" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> >It is usually a union thing. Most if not all trucking company drivers
>>are members of the Teamsters Union.
>
> It's also a Health and Safety thing. The last thin the delivery
> company wnats is to pay out Workman's Comp for back injuries. I bet
> they instruct their drivers NOT to help.
>
> -Zz
The driver's responsibility is to get the freight to the back of the truck.
Many drivers will do more in the interest of time. They may choose to drop
a crate on the dock rather than wait for a forklift, etc. Once is a while,
they may ask that we use our forklift to reposition a pallet for the next
stop. Courtesy goes both ways.
"Puckdropper" <puckdropper(at)yahoo(dot)com> wrote in message
>
> Just out of curiosity, how difficult would it be to unload say a 700 lb
> tool (we'll say its packaged in a rectangular carton) from the truck to
> the
> bed of a pickup? (A full size pickup, not a refrigerator mover.) I think
> there's a height difference of about a foot, maybe 16". Would some kind
> of
> ramp make it that much easier?
>
> I'm not planing to do this any time soon, just asking because I'm curious.
>
> Puckdropper
Risky for both man and machine. I've moved heavy boxes by balancing on the
edge of a trunk or tailgate and lowering to the ground, then moving it with
a two-wheeler. Half of 700 is 350 an d I'm not going to attempt to balance
350 pounds and don't want to be close if it slips down or flips over. Ramp
may help, but it has to be secure, not just a leaning board, especially when
the pickup bed drops a couple of inches with the added weight.
B A R R Y wrote:
> J. Clarke wrote:
>
>>
>> Standard operating procedure. If you don't have a loading dock and a
>> forklift then make sure that it's absolutely clear how the load will
>> be gotten off the truck _in_ _advance_.
>>
>
> Better mail order houses will explicitly state at time of order that the
> truck driver will not unload, and lift gate or straight truck service
> may cost more.
>
> The beef is with the machine dealer, not the trucking company.
The original post stated, "Before shipping Grizzly sent an email
asking me to agree to shipping terms which included a statement that the
driver would not assist in unloading the package from the truck. I
figured that it was just BS and agreed."
I see no grounds for a beef with the machine dealer.
--
Jack Novak
Buffalo, NY - USA
[email protected]
"Tom Watson" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> On Fri, 8 Aug 2008 12:19:20 -0700, "M.Paul"
> <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>>Just a warning to those ordering heavy equipment...
>>My Grizzly bandsaw arrived this week. Before shipping Grizzly sent an
>>email
>>asking me to agree to shipping terms which included a statement that the
>>driver would not assist in unloading the package from the truck. I
>>figured
>>that it was just BS and agreed. Not only would the driver not assist,
>>they
>>wanted $50 to operate the lift!!! Fortunately there were 2 boxes
>>(dividing
>>the load) and a friend and I were able to muscle the boxes off the truck.
>>Sure enough on the FedEx receipt was information detailing extra charges
>>for
>>lift use. Geez for the price I paid to ship the thing I would think lift
>>use would be included. What a rip/scam!
>>
>
>
> From the Grizzly website:
>
> "Truck drivers are subject to a number of regulations, one of which is
> that they are not required to give assistance unloading. Please be
> prepared for this "curbside" delivery, as you are responsible for
> unloading the item(s) and placing them in your shop. This normally
> takes a couple of "friends". Your location must be tractor-trailer
> accessible. We recommend that you make arrangements with the trucking
> company to take delivery at the freight terminal if you can. They
> will load it onto your vehicle. Make sure your vehicle is capable of
> handling the weight. Also, bring plenty of tie downs to properly
> secure the load.
>
> We have a discounted lift program available. Please ask your order
> taker for more details."
>
>
> Now, WTF was it about the above that you did not understand?
After reading the responses, I guess I could understand if the trucking
company sent out a truck without a lift gate. I imagine they're in shorter
supply than trucks without one. But once it was there, I don't see what the
driver gained by not using it. He just guaranteed himself a longer stop and
no tip. If it was me, I wouldn't have complained, but it would have given
me a chuckle.
todd
Rick Samuel wrote:
>> This is the guy that necessitates the warnings on paint that says not
>> to ingest it. He is the guy that requires a sticker that says hot
>> soldering irons can cause burns. He is the guy that needs to read the
>> warning on a bag of charcoal to tell him not to barbecue in the house,
>> or heat his house with an open charcoal pit. This is the person that
>> has to be reminded at the propane filling station that open flames or
>> leaking gas could cause explosions.
>>
>> How long does the cycle of Darwinism take to work again?
>>
>> Robert
>
>
> My dad worked for the Federal Trade Comm. A law suit came in from a guy
> who used a gas powered rotary lawnmower to trim the sides of his hedges.
> Picked it up, flipped it 90 degrees and trimmed away, till...OOOPS!! He was
> hurt, it's the lawnmower company's fault.
>
>
Various parks and highway departments are using an articulated mowing
machine for this very task. They lift the mower up and turn it sideways
and trim the ditch trees along a roadway.
Dave N
"M.Paul" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> Before shipping Grizzly sent an email asking me to agree to shipping
> terms which included a statement that the driver would not assist in
> unloading the package from the truck. I figured that it was just BS and
> agreed.
Well that was dumb.
> Not only would the driver not assist, they wanted $50 to operate the
> lift!!!
That is BS. It would only take the driver a few minutes and get him a tip.
I have to wonder if you were maybe a little feisty when you learned the
driver would not help so he decided to be a prick about the lift gate. If
you specify lift gate delivery there is often a charge for it as they have
to send a trailer that is equipped. Never had a driver with one that was
equipped hesitate to use it though.
On Aug 9, 4:13=A0pm, B A R R Y <[email protected]> wrote:
> Gerald Ross wrote:
>
> > When FedEx delivered my Griz bandsaw (about 5 yr ago),
>
> Be aware...
>
> There's FedEx, FedEx Freight, FedEx Ground, and FedEx Custom Critical.
>
> They aren't the same companies. =A0Related, but not the same.
and Brittany's ex husband aka FedEx.
<[email protected]> wrote in message
> But the strange thing is that they obviously don't comprehend or
> believe the things they read, so how in the hell do they get this far?
Guess he's been able to take advantage of some of the built in protections
society affords people who just don't know any better. Don't know if that's
a good thing or not, but it's obvious they seem to be working.
On Aug 9, 1:57=A0pm, "[email protected]" <[email protected]>
wrote:
> On Aug 9, 11:46 am, Charlie Self <[email protected]> wrote:
>
> > Reminds me of a boss I had maybe five or six years ago. She asked me
> > to talk another writer out of a deal she'd made with him, because, "it
> > wasn't a contract, just a letter." Ah, the blessings of having leaders
> > with MBAs!
>
> And we shall be blessed even further. =A0Many of these self serving
> nitwits deem it necessary to procreate, so we will have even more of
> their offspring among us that don't understand what a contract
> actually means.
>
> It seems to many these days to simply mean a tacit agreement, molded
> to their advantage as needed.
>
> What happened to the good old days about being pissed off because
> someone lied to you and didn't do what they agreed to do?
>
> Man do I feel like a dinosaur.
>
> Robert
In the solid surface business, shipping is, was, and always will be a
nightmare. 30" wide by 12 feet long, on a skid that no ordinary
forklifts can handle, unless you have a side-curtain trailer and you
can scoop it from the side...which never happens.
So, hand-bombing it is, was, and always will be.
At an average of 160 pounds per sheet, those flappy windcatchers
sometimes feel a lot heavier.
Carrying them 'on the flat' in the summer is a hoot, as the middle of
the sheet almost drags the ground and in the winter too risky due to
cold/brittle issues. So on their side, we carry them.
To make matters worse, I pay a premium for the 'unused cubes' above my
material, as truckers aren't allowed to stack anything on top.
Now, lucky for me, I am serviced by 3 companies who know my needs well
enough now to advise their driver, that he better eat his Wheaties
before he shows up at my shop with a lift ( 8 sheets) which, including
the skid, weighs over 1300 pounds. And a hydraulic platform lift is
useless. (Guys with air-ride do drop their trailers.)
NEVER a complaint, as some of the drivers WANT to come to my shop as I
often slap the driver a 50 if it is a full skid. I call it grease.
Makes the job go better. A 20 if it is only a few sheets.
I need these guys, and as granma used tell me, it is easier to catch a
bee with sugar than with vinegar.
r
On Sun, 10 Aug 2008 14:08:44 -0400, "dadiOH" <[email protected]>
wrote:
>Well, he botched it and fell on his head. Now he is suing the supermarket
>for $10,000,000 because of their negligence. They were negligent because he
>is inept and/or stupid? I say he should have sued his parents for genetic
>deficiency.
It's my understanding most of that type of personal injury case is
taken on a contingency fee basis. I don't think a competent lawyer
would want to waste time on a case that has absolutely no merit and a
poor chance for a payout. If the guy found a lawyer willing to take
the case, there may be something more to the story. Although, I guess
there are some attorneys that are willing to try suing everybody
within a 1/4 mile radius of the accident site and hope one of them
will settle to avoid the harassment.
I agree that if the report posted is a fair compilation of the
relevant facts, the guy's best case is against the parents for not
using effective birth control.
Tom Veatch
Wichita, KS
USA
On Fri, 8 Aug 2008 23:53:14 -0400, "Edwin Pawlowski" <[email protected]>
wrote:
>
>"M.Paul" <[email protected]> wrote in message
>news:[email protected]...
>> Before shipping Grizzly sent an email asking me to agree to shipping
>> terms which included a statement that the driver would not assist in
>> unloading the package from the truck. I figured that it was just BS and
>> agreed.
>
>Well that was dumb.
>
>
>> Not only would the driver not assist, they wanted $50 to operate the
>> lift!!!
>
>That is BS. It would only take the driver a few minutes and get him a tip.
>I have to wonder if you were maybe a little feisty when you learned the
>driver would not help so he decided to be a prick about the lift gate. If
>you specify lift gate delivery there is often a charge for it as they have
>to send a trailer that is equipped. Never had a driver with one that was
>equipped hesitate to use it though.
>
Agree - I've had a number of purchases from Grizzly and the truckers
were always good guys and helpful. Of course, as Edwin points out, I'm
polite to them.
On Aug 9, 12:09 pm, "[email protected]" <[email protected]>
wrote:
> Well, this is certainly one of the stranger whines I have seen here
> lately. Here's what I read:
>
> " I knowing entered into a written contract after reading it and
> understanding its contents. My confirmation of understanding its
> terms and conditions is verified by my signature agreeing to them.
>
> Well... those sorry bastards not only did what they said they would
> do, but stuck straight to the contract.
>
> They didn't give me anything extra, nor did they operate outside the
> terms of the signed agreement.
>
> What bunch of sorry asses."
>
> Nitwits like that are the reason people need detailed contracts. To
> steal from Mark Twain, "folks seem to 'disremeber' the things they
> want to pretty easy".
>
> Believe it or not, I have a client like that about once a year. For
> example: "Well Robert, I know you said you and your guys specifically
> wouldn't do the electrical work and that you would call a licensed
> electrician if I decided to change the plugs, but how hard is it to
> change out and those kitchen plugs and convert them to the GFE things
> you are talking about?"
>
> Using the bizarre logic of the OP, the remind me of how much they are
> spending with me (on a job I had to use a sharp pencil to get!), and
> yet want even more free.
>
> Yet as with the last guy that approached me with that, he was stumped
> at my analogy. He was an accountant. So I said, "If I came in one
> day and paid off my account as per our agreement for your services,
> how would you respond if I told you that you should give me two free
> hours of accounting/tax time simply because I paid my bill?"
>
> I could see the gear grinding, but alas, no answer. Worse, he was now
> embarrassed so he acted like a prick for a few days.
>
> Sometimes with the old farts I get the old "well, in my day we used to
> do electrical work with a set of broken pliers, a chipped screwdriver
> and some bailing wire, and we never burned anything down." I hand
> them a pair of pliers and s screwdriver; "there's always another
> chance for you, sir".
>
> I have a friend that has been shuffling freight for many years in the
> business. He told YEARS ago that simply because there is a gate on
> the truck, the driver may not be authorized or qualified to use it.
> And like the poster above that got a tiny package in a huge truck,
> they have to send the truck at hand or the one that makes the most
> sense when they are fulfilling their contractual obligations. It is
> not the responsibility of the company to make sure it makes sense to
> the guy that gets the package.
>
> Further, the OP shows his ignorance of the business world by never
> having had the pleasure of being sued. If the driver does something
> that the company was not contracted to do and there is a problem, who
> pays? Who pays if the items falls off the lift, the lift
> malfunctions, etc.?
>
> If the driver doesn't have to push, heave, lift, pry, strain or
> anything else, chances of injury are small. So no back injuries
> likely. Shipping is less as less coverage is needed, and only one guy
> is needed for the delivery.
>
> About four years ago, this same guy bought an entire Jet shop from
> Amazon. I sat and listened while he organized the delivery. "Who do
> you guys use? Do they have lifts, are they available? What is box
> floor height? Can I switch freighters?"
>
> He had all his stuff sent to the DSL distribution point, and sent a
> "hot shot" moving company out there to retrieve all of it for him.
> Amazon shipping: free. Burly guys that thought picking up>palletized< machines was a piece of cake with their pallet jack,
>
> delivery of same to the driveway next to the garage (shop) door: $175
> for his tablesaw, 15" planer, monster dust collector, and 16" bandaw.
>
> I guess none of that matters, though. I am still shaking my head...
>
> ...they told me in writing they were going to do something and they
> did it...
>
> To complain about that is odd indeed.
>
> I should have such luck on a daily basis.
>
> Robert
Reminds me of a boss I had maybe five or six years ago. She asked me
to talk another writer out of a deal she'd made with him, because, "it
wasn't a contract, just a letter." Ah, the blessings of having leaders
with MBAs!
M.Paul wrote:
> Just a warning to those ordering heavy equipment...
> My Grizzly bandsaw arrived this week. Before shipping Grizzly sent
> an email asking me to agree to shipping terms which included a
> statement that the driver would not assist in unloading the package
> from the truck. I figured that it was just BS and agreed. Not only
> would the driver not assist, they wanted $50 to operate the lift!!!
> Fortunately there were 2 boxes (dividing the load) and a friend and
> I
> were able to muscle the boxes off the truck. Sure enough on the
> FedEx
> receipt was information detailing extra charges for lift use. Geez
> for the price I paid to ship the thing I would think lift use would
> be included. What a rip/scam!
Standard operating procedure. If you don't have a loading dock and a
forklift then make sure that it's absolutely clear how the load will
be gotten off the truck _in_ _advance_.
--
--
--John
to email, dial "usenet" and validate
(was jclarke at eye bee em dot net)
>> The beef is with the machine dealer, not the trucking company.
>
>
> Gentlemen;
>
> It is usually a union thing. Most if not all trucking company drivers are
> members of the Teamsters Union.
>
Don't know if the drivers in TX are union...but all my Griz comes on SAIA
trucks. They stop in the road and use a lift to lower the iron. Almost
4000lbs. over the past year. I think I get very good service from them.
"David G. Nagel" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
>B A R R Y wrote:
>> J. Clarke wrote:
>>>
>>> Standard operating procedure. If you don't have a loading dock and a
>>> forklift then make sure that it's absolutely clear how the load will
>>> be gotten off the truck _in_ _advance_.
>>>
>>
>> Better mail order houses will explicitly state at time of order that
the
>> truck driver will not unload, and lift gate or straight truck service
>> may cost more.
>>
>> The beef is with the machine dealer, not the trucking company.
>
>
> Gentlemen;
>
> It is usually a union thing. Most if not all trucking company drivers
> are members of the Teamsters Union.
>
> Dave N
Well yes,......and no.
There has always been a thing called "tailgate rule", which originated in
Teamster Work Rules. Driver was obligated to only move the cargo "TO" the
tailgate, customer required to unload to dock, second vehicle, whatever.
Customer had a certain contracturally specified time to remove freight
before demurrrage charges commenced. That has changed in the 70's, though.
Even then, most drivers would help get the stuff off, because it meant that
they could go on about their day, maybe even finish early, or (better yet)
finish their shift at the coffee shop, instead of waiting out in the weather
for some guy to find and finagle a forklift.
Some purchase orders, some delivery orders specify now to offload only to
dock, some specify how cargo is to be stacked, whether shrink-wrapped, or
whatever. Palletized ? - that's an option, often left unstated. Depends a
lot on what the freight is, however. And "regular customer" earns a lot of
consideration, too.
What it boils down to now is that just about each delivery has its own set
of rules. "Caveat emptor" is a safe policy. Specify it beforehand, and
you'll probably get just what you require. Be prepared to pay for the
*service*, as well as the product.
*************
In the early 70's I drove a flatbed tractor-trailer for a truck-assembling
company, picking up freight which was owned by that company, off the docks
at South Clinton St. in Baltimore.
Needing to make three turns daily, I always took two ten-dollar bills,
loading two truck-bodies each trip. Yes, I listed it in petty cash as
"grease", I left it on the clipboard under the pier's copy of the Loading
Manifest/Receipt of Freight form. Not saying it was a fair arrangement,
but it worked. Everybody was satisfied. Half of the $$ went to the forklift
driver, the other went to his supervisor, for essentiallly allowing the deal
to operate as it did.
Being liberal with $$ helps, being a nice guy does, too. Being aware ,
reading the fiene print of the contract is probably a good idea too.
Flash
[email protected] wrote:
> On Aug 9, 12:56 pm, Tom Watson <[email protected]> wrote:
>
> SNIP of some pretty precise info
>
>> Now, WTF was it about the above that you did not understand?
>
> You sound as confused as I am. I don't know how it could be
> clearer.
>
> This is the guy that necessitates the warnings on paint that says
> not
> to ingest it. He is the guy that requires a sticker that says hot
> soldering irons can cause burns. He is the guy that needs to read
> the
> warning on a bag of charcoal to tell him not to barbecue in the
> house,
> or heat his house with an open charcoal pit. This is the person that
> has to be reminded at the propane filling station that open flames
> or
> leaking gas could cause explosions.
This is the person who makes you wish they did not put the "do not
eat" label on Claymores.
--
--
--John
to email, dial "usenet" and validate
(was jclarke at eye bee em dot net)
>
> This is the guy that necessitates the warnings on paint that says not
> to ingest it. He is the guy that requires a sticker that says hot
> soldering irons can cause burns. He is the guy that needs to read the
> warning on a bag of charcoal to tell him not to barbecue in the house,
> or heat his house with an open charcoal pit. This is the person that
> has to be reminded at the propane filling station that open flames or
> leaking gas could cause explosions.
>
> How long does the cycle of Darwinism take to work again?
>
> Robert
My dad worked for the Federal Trade Comm. A law suit came in from a guy
who used a gas powered rotary lawnmower to trim the sides of his hedges.
Picked it up, flipped it 90 degrees and trimmed away, till...OOOPS!! He was
hurt, it's the lawnmower company's fault.
> On Sun, 10 Aug 2008 14:08:44 -0400, "dadiOH" <[email protected]>
> wrote:
>
>> Well, he botched it and fell on his head. Now he is suing the
>> supermarket for $10,000,000 because of their negligence. They were
>> negligent because he is inept and/or stupid? I say he should have
>> sued his parents for genetic deficiency.
>
>
> It's my understanding most of that type of personal injury case is
> taken on a contingency fee basis. I don't think a competent lawyer
> would want to waste time on a case that has absolutely no merit and
> a
> poor chance for a payout. If the guy found a lawyer willing to take
> the case, there may be something more to the story.
Lawyers have told me that refusing to take a case solely on the basis
of lack of merit can get them disbarred. This apparently is an
overreaction on the part of the various state goverments to the
situation that existed at one time in which a member of a minority
could not secure representation no matter what the merits of the case.
> Although, I guess
> there are some attorneys that are willing to try suing everybody
> within a 1/4 mile radius of the accident site and hope one of them
> will settle to avoid the harassment.
>
> I agree that if the report posted is a fair compilation of the
> relevant facts, the guy's best case is against the parents for not
> using effective birth control.
>
> Tom Veatch
> Wichita, KS
> USA
--
--
--John
to email, dial "usenet" and validate
(was jclarke at eye bee em dot net)
>>
>> My dad worked for the Federal Trade Comm. A law suit came in from a guy
>>who used a gas powered rotary lawnmower to trim the sides of his hedges.
>>Picked it up, flipped it 90 degrees and trimmed away, till...OOOPS!! He
>>was
>>hurt, it's the lawnmower company's fault.
>
> Wow! Maybe you can get a case number or some other positive
> identifying data about that case, because Snopes has been looking for
> something to confirm that story (which has been around for years) but
> hasn't been able to find anything.
>
> But don't listen to me:
>
> http://www.snopes.com/legal/trimmer.asp
>
Will have to get back to you as to when. Could be as early as 1975. My
dad retired about 17 years ago.
Tom Veatch wrote:
> On Sun, 10 Aug 2008 14:08:44 -0400, "dadiOH" <[email protected]>
> wrote:
>
>> Well, he botched it and fell on his head. Now he is suing the
>> supermarket for $10,000,000 because of their negligence. They were
>> negligent because he is inept and/or stupid? I say he should have
>> sued his parents for genetic deficiency.
>
>
> It's my understanding most of that type of personal injury case is
> taken on a contingency fee basis. I don't think a competent lawyer
> would want to waste time on a case that has absolutely no merit and a
> poor chance for a payout.
It's called a nuisance suit. The defendant settles for a few thousand
because it would cost much more to defend. The lawyer gets his 30-35% plus
all costs, the schmuck plaintiff gets what's left. If anything.
--
dadiOH
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On Sun, 10 Aug 2008 22:56:31 GMT, Vidkid26 <[email protected]> wrote:
>From a retired ABF driver
>
>When ABF is required or requested to employ mechanical loading or
>unloading devices to accomplish pickup or delivery of freight, an
>additional charge of $4.50 per 100 pounds of actual weight will be
>assessed, but not less than $121.65 nor more than $257.15 per shipment
>per trailer.
>The charges for this service shall be paid by the party for whom the
>service is performed. On single line shipments, the charges may be
>guaranteed by the shipper.
>At locations where ABF does not maintain suitable equipment and elects
>to outsource lifting or lowering devices to accomplish pickup or
>delivery, additional equipment charges incurred by ABF will be
>collected from the party requesting this service.
>ABF is not obligated to perform this service where suitable equipment
>or operators are unavailable, nor at locations inaccessible to our
>vehicles, or where the safety of our vehicles or personnel is
>jeopardized.
>I think you would have gotten off easy with a $50 lift charge.
As part of my job as a project manager for a millwork company that
made store fixtures I negotiated rates with trucking firms for
deliveries all over the country.
Although we always tried to use dedicated trailers, there were times
when this was not possible, as in shipments to stores that were
already open and needed only some replacement pieces.
I was always able to spec LTL shipments with lift gates and driver
assistance at rates substantially below the published market rates.
I would suspect that an outfit like Grizzly has agreements with
multiple providers about this but the deal has to be made when the
truck is ordered, not to be negotiated by the customer once the
delivery arrives.
Of course, when there was a problem, a cup of coffee and a dead
president went a long way to smooth things over.
Regards, Tom.
Thos. J. Watson - Cabinetmaker
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tjwatson1ATcomcastDOTnet
On Sun, 10 Aug 2008 19:21:20 -0400, "J. Clarke"
<[email protected]> wrote:
>Lawyers have told me that refusing to take a case solely on the basis
>of lack of merit can get them disbarred. This apparently is an
>overreaction on the part of the various state goverments to the
>situation that existed at one time in which a member of a minority
>could not secure representation no matter what the merits of the case.
My "bullshit alarm" is going wild.
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Rick Samuel wrote:
>> This is the guy that necessitates the warnings on paint that says not
>> to ingest it. He is the guy that requires a sticker that says hot
>> soldering irons can cause burns. He is the guy that needs to read
>> the warning on a bag of charcoal to tell him not to barbecue in the
>> house, or heat his house with an open charcoal pit. This is the
>> person that has to be reminded at the propane filling station that
>> open flames or leaking gas could cause explosions.
>>
>> How long does the cycle of Darwinism take to work again?
>>
>> Robert
>
>
> My dad worked for the Federal Trade Comm. A law suit came in from a
> guy who used a gas powered rotary lawnmower to trim the sides of his
> hedges. Picked it up, flipped it 90 degrees and trimmed away,
> till...OOOPS!! He was hurt, it's the lawnmower company's fault.
Here's a recent local one as reported in the paper...
A truck driver was delivering eggs to a supermarket. He -and eggs,
supposedly - were on the truck's lift about five feet up in the air. He
dropped the remote that operates the lift.
He didn't want to jump off because he did that a couple of months ago and
hurt a knee so he yells for market employees to come help him. No one came
so he sits down on the lift so he can scoot off. Remember now, he was all
of five feet up which means that once he sat down his feet were maybe 24-30"
off the ground.
Well, he botched it and fell on his head. Now he is suing the supermarket
for $10,000,000 because of their negligence. They were negligent because he
is inept and/or stupid? I say he should have sued his parents for genetic
deficiency.
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On Sun, 10 Aug 2008 10:36:27 +0300, "Rick Samuel"
<[email protected]> wrote:
>>
>> This is the guy that necessitates the warnings on paint that says not
>> to ingest it. He is the guy that requires a sticker that says hot
>> soldering irons can cause burns. He is the guy that needs to read the
>> warning on a bag of charcoal to tell him not to barbecue in the house,
>> or heat his house with an open charcoal pit. This is the person that
>> has to be reminded at the propane filling station that open flames or
>> leaking gas could cause explosions.
>> Robert
>
> My dad worked for the Federal Trade Comm. A law suit came in from a guy
>who used a gas powered rotary lawnmower to trim the sides of his hedges.
>Picked it up, flipped it 90 degrees and trimmed away, till...OOOPS!! He was
>hurt, it's the lawnmower company's fault.
Wow! Maybe you can get a case number or some other positive
identifying data about that case, because Snopes has been looking for
something to confirm that story (which has been around for years) but
hasn't been able to find anything.
But don't listen to me:
http://www.snopes.com/legal/trimmer.asp
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On Sat, 9 Aug 2008 13:08:23 -0400, "Edwin Pawlowski" <[email protected]>
wrote:
>
>"Zz Yzx" <[email protected]> wrote in message
>news:[email protected]...
>> >It is usually a union thing. Most if not all trucking company drivers
>>>are members of the Teamsters Union.
>>
>> It's also a Health and Safety thing. The last thin the delivery
>> company wnats is to pay out Workman's Comp for back injuries. I bet
>> they instruct their drivers NOT to help.
>>
>> -Zz
>
>The driver's responsibility is to get the freight to the back of the truck.
>
>Many drivers will do more in the interest of time. They may choose to drop
>a crate on the dock rather than wait for a forklift, etc. Once is a while,
>they may ask that we use our forklift to reposition a pallet for the next
>stop. Courtesy goes both ways.
>
Last year I bought a Jet oscillating sander (I think it is about 300
pounds). I did not expect any help from the driver, so I had a strong
friend over to help me get it off the truck. The driver went out of
his way to help and offered to help get it into my shop. We talked
with the driver for 10-15 minutes, just small talk. Personally, I want
to help anyone, a stranger, I see struggling. It doesn't cost
anything to be courteous, and to those who are not, well, what can I
say?
Vidkid26 wrote:
> On 2008-08-08 19:10:32 -0700, "David G. Nagel"
> <[email protected]> said:
>
>> B A R R Y wrote:
>>> J. Clarke wrote:
>>>>
>>>> Standard operating procedure. If you don't have a loading dock and
>>>> a forklift then make sure that it's absolutely clear how the load
>>>> will be gotten off the truck _in_ _advance_.
>>>>
>>>
>>> Better mail order houses will explicitly state at time of order that
>>> the truck driver will not unload, and lift gate or straight truck
>>> service may cost more.
>>>
>>> The beef is with the machine dealer, not the trucking company.
>>
>>
>> Gentlemen;
>>
>> It is usually a union thing. Most if not all trucking company drivers
>> are members of the Teamsters Union.
>>
>> Dave N
>
> You obviously know NOTHING of freight industry or the Teamsters Union.
>
You obviously know NOTHING of what I know. I was not blaming the
Teamster Union for the clause in their contracts that limit the manual
labor involved in making a delivery. If the employer wants the driver to
off load the delivery then the driver will be compensated and insured.
As the man said: been there, done that, got the bill for it.
Dave N
J. Clarke wrote:
>
> Standard operating procedure. If you don't have a loading dock and a
> forklift then make sure that it's absolutely clear how the load will
> be gotten off the truck _in_ _advance_.
>
Better mail order houses will explicitly state at time of order that the
truck driver will not unload, and lift gate or straight truck service
may cost more.
The beef is with the machine dealer, not the trucking company.
Nova wrote:
>
> The original post stated, "Before shipping Grizzly sent an email
> asking me to agree to shipping terms which included a statement that the
> driver would not assist in unloading the package from the truck. I
> figured that it was just BS and agreed."
I missed that. That puts Grizz in the "better dealer" category!