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[email protected] (Nate Perkins)

16/10/2004 7:54 AM

Methods for ebonizing wood

Hi,

I recently built a small box of birdseye maple, with Jewitt's early
American finish on it. The pulls are carved from ebony. I'd like to
make a base for the box, but a base of ebony would be impractical for
me due to the cost and availability of the wood.

So I'm trying to figure out the best methods for ebonizing wood. Both
Flexner and Jewitt's books recommend black dye stain. I tried that
method on a piece of scrap holly veneer (using Behlen's jet black
aniline dye), and it oddly imparted a slightly purplish cast to the
wood.

A Google search here shows that folks have often used steel wool and
vinegar.

Does anyone here have a favorite method?

Thanks in advance,
Nate


This topic has 7 replies

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"martin"

in reply to [email protected] (Nate Perkins) on 16/10/2004 7:54 AM

16/10/2004 3:44 PM

The best method for ebonizing wood i believe is black leather dye, use it a
few time real easy two coats and your done ready for your final finish wax
shellac etc

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"Nate Perkins" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> Hi,
>
> I recently built a small box of birdseye maple, with Jewitt's early
> American finish on it. The pulls are carved from ebony. I'd like to
> make a base for the box, but a base of ebony would be impractical for
> me due to the cost and availability of the wood.
>
> So I'm trying to figure out the best methods for ebonizing wood. Both
> Flexner and Jewitt's books recommend black dye stain. I tried that
> method on a piece of scrap holly veneer (using Behlen's jet black
> aniline dye), and it oddly imparted a slightly purplish cast to the
> wood.
>
> A Google search here shows that folks have often used steel wool and
> vinegar.
>
> Does anyone here have a favorite method?
>
> Thanks in advance,
> Nate

nN

[email protected] (Nate Perkins)

in reply to [email protected] (Nate Perkins) on 16/10/2004 7:54 AM

16/10/2004 5:43 PM

"Todd Fatheree" <[email protected]> wrote in message news:<[email protected]>...

> I used india ink recently to dye maple black for just this purpose. I was
> happy with the results. In my case, it took two applications to get an even
> black color. Keep in mind that most india ink (from what I'm told) is
> water-based and will raise the grain, so you might want to pre-raise it
> first.
>
> todd

Thanks for the suggestions, Todd and Martin. I'll give em a try.

Cheers,
Nate

Aa

"AAvK"

in reply to [email protected] (Nate Perkins) on 16/10/2004 7:54 AM

17/10/2004 4:45 AM


> I recently built a small box of birdseye maple, with Jewitt's early
> American finish on it. The pulls are carved from ebony. I'd like to
> make a base for the box, but a base of ebony would be impractical for
> me due to the cost and availability of the wood.
> So I'm trying to figure out the best methods for ebonizing wood. Both
> Flexner and Jewitt's books recommend black dye stain. I tried that
> method on a piece of scrap holly veneer (using Behlen's jet black
> aniline dye), and it oddly imparted a slightly purplish cast to the
> wood.


One method I have not tried that is of fame in the oldest days of gunstock staining
is iron filings / shavings disolved in nitric acid... if you can get the stuff. It will
stain the wood a very dark brown. some time back I asked about it in this NG
because I had remembered a video I saw of a man who is a gunsmith, using all
the oldest methods to make muzzle loaders.

Alex

pp

patriarch <[email protected]>

in reply to [email protected] (Nate Perkins) on 16/10/2004 7:54 AM

18/10/2004 5:57 AM

Barry Lennox <[email protected]> wrote in
news:[email protected]:

> On 16 Oct 2004 07:54:11 -0700, [email protected] (Nate Perkins)
> wrote:
>
>>Hi,
>>
>>I recently built a small box of birdseye maple, with Jewitt's early
>>American finish on it. The pulls are carved from ebony. I'd like to
>>make a base for the box, but a base of ebony would be impractical for
>>me due to the cost and availability of the wood.
>>
>>So I'm trying to figure out the best methods for ebonizing wood. Both
>>Flexner and Jewitt's books recommend black dye stain. I tried that
>>method on a piece of scrap holly veneer (using Behlen's jet black
>
> All my books on finishing (very old and new ones) suggest india ink,
> as do the other posters, Never tried it, but soon plan on it. Lets
> know how it turns out, and the best technique.
>

The Woodworks episode I saw today (on Tivo) had David Marks using what he
called metal acid dyes to ebonize maple. He indicated that these were more
lightfast than aniline dyes. It looked good on television. :-)

Patriarch

TF

"Todd Fatheree"

in reply to [email protected] (Nate Perkins) on 16/10/2004 7:54 AM

16/10/2004 11:11 AM

"Nate Perkins" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> Hi,
>
> I recently built a small box of birdseye maple, with Jewitt's early
> American finish on it. The pulls are carved from ebony. I'd like to
> make a base for the box, but a base of ebony would be impractical for
> me due to the cost and availability of the wood.
>
> So I'm trying to figure out the best methods for ebonizing wood. Both
> Flexner and Jewitt's books recommend black dye stain. I tried that
> method on a piece of scrap holly veneer (using Behlen's jet black
> aniline dye), and it oddly imparted a slightly purplish cast to the
> wood.
>
> A Google search here shows that folks have often used steel wool and
> vinegar.
>
> Does anyone here have a favorite method?
>
> Thanks in advance,
> Nate

I used india ink recently to dye maple black for just this purpose. I was
happy with the results. In my case, it took two applications to get an even
black color. Keep in mind that most india ink (from what I'm told) is
water-based and will raise the grain, so you might want to pre-raise it
first.

todd

RS

"Rob Stokes"

in reply to [email protected] (Nate Perkins) on 16/10/2004 7:54 AM

17/10/2004 2:56 AM

India ink. Cheap and works great.

Good luck
Rob

--


http://www.robswoodworking.com

"Nate Perkins" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> Hi,
>
> I recently built a small box of birdseye maple, with Jewitt's early
> American finish on it. The pulls are carved from ebony. I'd like to
> make a base for the box, but a base of ebony would be impractical for
> me due to the cost and availability of the wood.
>
> So I'm trying to figure out the best methods for ebonizing wood. Both
> Flexner and Jewitt's books recommend black dye stain. I tried that
> method on a piece of scrap holly veneer (using Behlen's jet black
> aniline dye), and it oddly imparted a slightly purplish cast to the
> wood.
>
> A Google search here shows that folks have often used steel wool and
> vinegar.
>
> Does anyone here have a favorite method?
>
> Thanks in advance,
> Nate

BL

Barry Lennox

in reply to [email protected] (Nate Perkins) on 16/10/2004 7:54 AM

18/10/2004 8:40 AM

On 16 Oct 2004 07:54:11 -0700, [email protected] (Nate Perkins)
wrote:

>Hi,
>
>I recently built a small box of birdseye maple, with Jewitt's early
>American finish on it. The pulls are carved from ebony. I'd like to
>make a base for the box, but a base of ebony would be impractical for
>me due to the cost and availability of the wood.
>
>So I'm trying to figure out the best methods for ebonizing wood. Both
>Flexner and Jewitt's books recommend black dye stain. I tried that
>method on a piece of scrap holly veneer (using Behlen's jet black

All my books on finishing (very old and new ones) suggest india ink,
as do the other posters, Never tried it, but soon plan on it. Lets
know how it turns out, and the best technique.

Barry Lennox


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