Folks,
I'm thinking of flying my little airplane to visit the Muncy, PA Grizzly
showroom (7+ hrs vs. 2 hrs., each way). I can fly into Williamsport,
which is ~ 7 miles from the showroom. If I really don't have to, I
would rather not rent a car to get from the airport to the showroom &
back. My alternatives are my bicycle and public transportation. A few
questions for those familiar with the area:
Are there decent (bicycle friendly) non-interstate roads connecting the
Williamsport area with the Grizz location? Mapquest and Delorme Street
Atlas aren't clear. I don't have a problem riding with cars, but six
lane, 55 MPH, divided roads can be a tad "challenging". <G> How's the
terrain? Flat, rolling hills, mountainous?
Is there decent public transportation, like a regularily scheduled
regional bus or light rail line?
Is there dependable taxicab service in Williamsport or Muncy?
Thanks!
Barry
Barry...
The area is mostly large, rolling hills, with some of them fairly
steep. I always rented a car when I went, and seem to remember that
the distance from airport to the Grizzly building (near the shopping
mall) isn't particularly close and I used the interstate to get from
one place to the other. But again, even though I like bicycling, the
times I've been there I wasn't paying attention to pedaling distance,
or to whether there were secondary roads more conducive to biking.
There is no light rail I'm aware of, but there may be buses. The taxi
service, however, is quite dependable. They have a very nice little
airport, by the way.
Enjoy the trip. You'll find the showroom quite impressive.
A.J.
B A R R Y wrote:
> Folks,
>
> I'm thinking of flying my little airplane to visit the Muncy, PA Grizzly
> showroom (7+ hrs vs. 2 hrs., each way). I can fly into Williamsport,
> which is ~ 7 miles from the showroom. If I really don't have to, I
> would rather not rent a car to get from the airport to the showroom &
> back. My alternatives are my bicycle and public transportation. A few
> questions for those familiar with the area:
>
> Are there decent (bicycle friendly) non-interstate roads connecting the
> Williamsport area with the Grizz location? Mapquest and Delorme Street
> Atlas aren't clear. I don't have a problem riding with cars, but six
> lane, 55 MPH, divided roads can be a tad "challenging". <G> How's the
> terrain? Flat, rolling hills, mountainous?
>
> Is there decent public transportation, like a regularily scheduled
> regional bus or light rail line?
>
> Is there dependable taxicab service in Williamsport or Muncy?
>
> Thanks!
> Barry
Barry,
It'd be a pretty easy bike ride from the airport. It's mostly a 2 lane
road that has some 3 & 4 lane areas for passing. The airport is just
off this road. Mostly local traffic as Rt 180 runs parallel to this
road. I can't remember the exact number of hills, maybe 3 or 4 with
none of them very steep or long. For what it's worth, Grizzly is right
next to a Gander Mountain and a decent mall (Lycoming Mall).
Bryan
A.J. Hamler wrote:
> Barry...
>
> The area is mostly large, rolling hills, with some of them fairly
> steep. I always rented a car when I went, and seem to remember that
> the distance from airport to the Grizzly building (near the shopping
> mall) isn't particularly close and I used the interstate to get from
> one place to the other. But again, even though I like bicycling, the
> times I've been there I wasn't paying attention to pedaling distance,
> or to whether there were secondary roads more conducive to biking.
> There is no light rail I'm aware of, but there may be buses. The taxi
> service, however, is quite dependable. They have a very nice little
> airport, by the way.
Thanks for the excellent response. I'll pursue the taxi.
IPT looks pretty good on Airnav, and I didn't really want to depend on
availability of a courtesy car.
Thanks again!
"W Canaday" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> > Unfortunately, Canada doesn't yet have an organization that comes close
to
> > the clout of your ADA.
>
> Considering how many websites I encounter that absolutely require Flash
> before divulging ANY information, I'm not certain that the US ADA has
> -enough- clout.
You've lost me. What does the Americans with Disability Act have to do with
Flash?
"B A R R Y" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> Folks,
>
> I'm thinking of flying my little airplane to visit the Muncy, PA Grizzly
> showroom (7+ hrs vs. 2 hrs., each way). I can fly into Williamsport,
> which is ~ 7 miles from the showroom. If I really don't have to, I would
> rather not rent a car to get from the airport to the showroom & back. My
> alternatives are my bicycle and public transportation. A few questions
> for those familiar with the area:
>
> Are there decent (bicycle friendly) non-interstate roads connecting the
> Williamsport area with the Grizz location? Mapquest and Delorme Street
> Atlas aren't clear. I don't have a problem riding with cars, but six
> lane, 55 MPH, divided roads can be a tad "challenging". <G> How's the
> terrain? Flat, rolling hills, mountainous?
>
> Is there decent public transportation, like a regularily scheduled
> regional bus or light rail line?
>
> Is there dependable taxicab service in Williamsport or Muncy?
>
> Thanks!
> Barry
Barry - How are you going to get that new tablesaw/jointer/bandsaw/planer,
whatever, big iron into your little private plane? For that matter how will
you get it on the back of your bike?!?!?!
"Lee Michaels" <leemichaels*nadaspam*@comcast.net> wrote in message
>
> Often, when talking on the phone with a store, I will ask for directions.
> And the person is clueless. I then ask if their mommy drives them to work.
I get a similar response when I call a restaurant and ask if they are
accessible and have a wheelchair accessible washroom on the premises. When
they're not sure about getting into the restaurant, I ask if there's any
steps to get inside. When they're not sure about the washroom, I ask if
they've noticed a stall that has a wider than normal door. When they say
they don't know, I then have to ask them to go to the washroom and look. I
often get passed to the manager at that point.
Unfortunately, Canada doesn't yet have an organization that comes close to
the clout of your ADA.
Barry,
Looking at the Google map the Williamsport regional airport is 1/2 a mile
south of Broad Street which becomes Lycoming Mall Road - a straight shot
according to the map. The Grizzly showroom is off this road. The terrain
is not difficult for a mountain biker like yourself, but the road is not
designed to cycling. You will be sharing with cars and most of this will
not have a hard shoulder.
I could be pursuaded to make another trip. Drop me an email and we can
discuss. You could even fly into a local grass style landing strip called
Flying M Aerodrome, but then you would have to put up with the 100 mile ride
to Muncy and back.
As for the spandex, I doubt the Grizzly folk would worry. I have seen all
sorts of people in the showroom, from suits to farmers.
Dave Paine.
"Ba r r y" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> On Sat, 25 Mar 2006 18:26:44 -0500, "Tyke" <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>>
>>I do not think you would enjoy a bicycle ride between the airport and the
>>showroom.
>
> FWIW, I routinely ride 75 miles on my road bike and 3-4 hours on my
> mountain bike here in New England. 7 miles isn't a big deal, except
> maybe in the Rockies, Alps, or Sierras. <G> I have topo and road
> maps so I can see the roads, I just didn't want to try to bike down
> San Jose's El Camino Real, or Florida's Military Trail, both of which
> look like mellow roads on maps. The local knowledge I was seeking
> was more along the lines of the bike friendliness. For instance,
> places like San Jose and Florida are flat, but the road design and
> driving etiquette make for some heads-up riding. I can toss
> "shopping clothes" in a small backpack, so I don't have to walk around
> a machinery salesroom in Spandex. (bad visual, but the clothing is
> very functional!)
>
> We own two Dahon folding bikes that we keep with the plane for trips
> to and from airports.
>
>>Maybe you need to put out another message asking if any of the "wreckers"
>>are visiting and when. If I were going to drive the 100 miles, it would
>>not
>>be a problem to drive another 7 miles to pick someone up.
>
> Excellent idea!
>
> I actually had thought of offering lunch to someone willing to do just
> that, along with a possible ride for a CT, western MA, or eastern NY
> 'wrecker who isn't afraid to fly and won't puke on my glare shield. I
> just haven't developed the plan that far yet. The plane is going that
> way anyway, and having someone to talk to doesn't burn more fuel, and
> makes the ride more pleasant. The guy who volunteered in Edinburgh is
> a tad out of the way, unfortunately.
>
> Are you volunteering to be the car? 8^) I'll buy the lunch! Just be
> warned that general aviation doesn't run on the same sort of schedule
> as the airlines, so arriving @ 10:30'ish, could be 10, 11, or 1:30, or
> of course, 10:30.
>
> Barry
Try here: http://maps.google.com/
Type in 'muncy, pa'; select 'hybrid' button in the upper-right corner; use
the +- buttons in the upper-left; pan the image by holding down the left
mouse button and dragging.
David Merrill
"B A R R Y" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> Folks,
>
> I'm thinking of flying my little airplane to visit the Muncy, PA Grizzly
> showroom (7+ hrs vs. 2 hrs., each way). I can fly into Williamsport,
> which is ~ 7 miles from the showroom. If I really don't have to, I
> would rather not rent a car to get from the airport to the showroom &
> back. My alternatives are my bicycle and public transportation. A few
> questions for those familiar with the area:
>
> Are there decent (bicycle friendly) non-interstate roads connecting the
> Williamsport area with the Grizz location? Mapquest and Delorme Street
> Atlas aren't clear. I don't have a problem riding with cars, but six
> lane, 55 MPH, divided roads can be a tad "challenging". <G> How's the
> terrain? Flat, rolling hills, mountainous?
>
> Is there decent public transportation, like a regularily scheduled
> regional bus or light rail line?
>
> Is there dependable taxicab service in Williamsport or Muncy?
>
> Thanks!
> Barry
I was at the Grizzly Muncy showroom a couple of weeks ago. I have been a
few times.
This place is typical of rural Pennsylvania. Expect to need a car to get
most places. I am not familiar with the Willamsport airport. The old
showroom was in Williamsport.
I do not think you would enjoy a bicycle ride between the airport and the
showroom.
Maybe you need to put out another message asking if any of the "wreckers"
are visiting and when. If I were going to drive the 100 miles, it would not
be a problem to drive another 7 miles to pick someone up.
Dave Paine.
"B A R R Y" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> Folks,
>
> I'm thinking of flying my little airplane to visit the Muncy, PA Grizzly
> showroom (7+ hrs vs. 2 hrs., each way). I can fly into Williamsport,
> which is ~ 7 miles from the showroom. If I really don't have to, I would
> rather not rent a car to get from the airport to the showroom & back. My
> alternatives are my bicycle and public transportation. A few questions
> for those familiar with the area:
>
> Are there decent (bicycle friendly) non-interstate roads connecting the
> Williamsport area with the Grizz location? Mapquest and Delorme Street
> Atlas aren't clear. I don't have a problem riding with cars, but six
> lane, 55 MPH, divided roads can be a tad "challenging". <G> How's the
> terrain? Flat, rolling hills, mountainous?
>
> Is there decent public transportation, like a regularily scheduled
> regional bus or light rail line?
>
> Is there dependable taxicab service in Williamsport or Muncy?
>
> Thanks!
> Barry
No wrote:
>
> Barry - How are you going to get that new tablesaw/jointer/bandsaw/planer,
> whatever, big iron into your little private plane? For that matter how will
> you get it on the back of your bike?!?!?!
It's simply a recon mission.
I would like to get some eyes-on experience with the stuff for future
purchases. Several times in the past, I've thought about Grizzly tools,
but as a touchy-feely type of guy, I passed. Down the road, I'm
probably going to buy a drum sander, so that's my main focus. While I
can get plenty of information here, varying expectations and experience
levels usually get me to seek out first hand knowledge on large purchases.
Not to mention, "Any excuse to fly"...
"B A R R Y" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> GeeDubb wrote:
>>
>> Barry, are you still bombing the downhill on the bike?
>>
>
> Yup. In fact, I picked up my first-ever, tubeless flat this past weekend,
> in three years of using them.
>
> I've never been a _true_ downhiller though, more like a picker and chooser
> while heading downhill. That real downhill race stuff is dangerous! <G>
>
> Standing next to the course during pro races @ Mt. Snow, I've seen some
> crashes that would curl your hair.
>
How come you don't post to amb anymore?
Gary
Ba r r y <[email protected]> wrote in
news:[email protected]:
> On Sat, 25 Mar 2006 18:26:44 -0500, "Tyke" <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>>
>>I do not think you would enjoy a bicycle ride between the airport and
>>the showroom.
>
> FWIW, I routinely ride 75 miles on my road bike and 3-4 hours on my
> mountain bike here in New England. 7 miles isn't a big deal, except
> maybe in the Rockies, Alps, or Sierras. <G> I have topo and road
> maps so I can see the roads, I just didn't want to try to bike down
> San Jose's El Camino Real, or Florida's Military Trail, both of which
> look like mellow roads on maps. The local knowledge I was seeking
> was more along the lines of the bike friendliness. For instance,
> places like San Jose and Florida are flat, but the road design and
> driving etiquette make for some heads-up riding. I can toss
> "shopping clothes" in a small backpack, so I don't have to walk around
> a machinery salesroom in Spandex. (bad visual, but the clothing is
> very functional!)
>
> We own two Dahon folding bikes that we keep with the plane for trips
> to and from airports.
>
>>Maybe you need to put out another message asking if any of the
>>"wreckers" are visiting and when. If I were going to drive the 100
>>miles, it would not be a problem to drive another 7 miles to pick
>>someone up.
>
> Excellent idea!
>
> I actually had thought of offering lunch to someone willing to do just
> that, along with a possible ride for a CT, western MA, or eastern NY
> 'wrecker who isn't afraid to fly and won't puke on my glare shield. I
> just haven't developed the plan that far yet. The plane is going that
> way anyway, and having someone to talk to doesn't burn more fuel, and
> makes the ride more pleasant. The guy who volunteered in Edinburgh is
> a tad out of the way, unfortunately.
>
> Are you volunteering to be the car? 8^) I'll buy the lunch! Just be
> warned that general aviation doesn't run on the same sort of schedule
> as the airlines, so arriving @ 10:30'ish, could be 10, 11, or 1:30, or
> of course, 10:30.
>
> Barry
>
Barry
I did MS Streets and trips and it shows as 5.4 miles from airport on
local roads. Hell, you can walk that! :) If you are interested in a
quick touch down at Solberg (NJ), I'd be interested in coming along and
chipping in for gas & buying lunch. Muncy, PA. is 2 1/2 hour drive from
here; did it too many times when son was in school in Lewisburg (right
down the road). If we buy, I can run back with pickup truck and ferry
the stuff here.
Let me know,
Jerry
publicatsimoogledotcom
"B A R R Y" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> No wrote:
>>
>> Barry - How are you going to get that new
>> tablesaw/jointer/bandsaw/planer, whatever, big iron into your little
>> private plane? For that matter how will you get it on the back of your
>> bike?!?!?!
>
> It's simply a recon mission.
>
> I would like to get some eyes-on experience with the stuff for future
> purchases. Several times in the past, I've thought about Grizzly tools,
> but as a touchy-feely type of guy, I passed. Down the road, I'm probably
> going to buy a drum sander, so that's my main focus. While I can get
> plenty of information here, varying expectations and experience levels
> usually get me to seek out first hand knowledge on large purchases.
>
> Not to mention, "Any excuse to fly"...
Barry, are you still bombing the downhill on the bike?
Gary
GeeDubb wrote:
>
> Barry, are you still bombing the downhill on the bike?
>
Yup. In fact, I picked up my first-ever, tubeless flat this past
weekend, in three years of using them.
I've never been a _true_ downhiller though, more like a picker and
chooser while heading downhill. That real downhill race stuff is
dangerous! <G>
Standing next to the course during pro races @ Mt. Snow, I've seen some
crashes that would curl your hair.
Barry,
Would you be kind enough to do a small flight detour to collect me in =
Edinburgh UK? We don't have anything like Grizzly stores, and =
especially not of the size you have in the US. Like another replier, I'm =
also a wheelchair user, hope you can accomodate that too? ;-))
Leg pull over! Hope you get your info, transport and visit organized? =
Good luck
On 24 Mar 2006 06:52:06 -0800, "brianlanning" <[email protected]>
wrote:
>I always heard that small airports often have a car that you can
>borrow, sort of one of the perks that the private plane people often
>get.
Yeah, those are "courtesy cars". Disappearing with it for 5 or 6
hours might be considered rude, and you often can't reserve them in
advance.
The cars I'm familiar with are more for zipping into town for lunch or
package delivery / retrieval. Many wouldn't make it much farther than
town, but the price is right (gas)! <G>
One of my local airports has a 1980-something Grand Caravan (the old
squared style), complete with vinyl wood. The only place not rusted
is where the vinyl is. Some small operations will even toss you the
FBO owner's or an employee's personal keys for a quick errand.
Excellent suggestion, though!
Barry
"B A R R Y" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> Folks,
>
> I'm thinking of flying my little airplane to visit the Muncy, PA Grizzly
> showroom (7+ hrs vs. 2 hrs., each way). I can fly into Williamsport,
> which is ~ 7 miles from the showroom. If I really don't have to, I would
> rather not rent a car to get from the airport to the showroom & back. My
> alternatives are my bicycle and public transportation. A few questions
> for those familiar with the area:
>
> Are there decent (bicycle friendly) non-interstate roads connecting the
> Williamsport area with the Grizz location? Mapquest and Delorme Street
> Atlas aren't clear. I don't have a problem riding with cars, but six
> lane, 55 MPH, divided roads can be a tad "challenging". <G> How's the
> terrain? Flat, rolling hills, mountainous?
>
> Is there decent public transportation, like a regularily scheduled
> regional bus or light rail line?
>
> Is there dependable taxicab service in Williamsport or Muncy?
>
> Thanks!
> Barry
Just a thought Barry.
Maybe somebody at Grizzly already knows these types of facts.
It wouldn't hurt to ask.
"B A R R Y" > wrote
> Lee Michaels wrote:
>>
>> Maybe somebody at Grizzly already knows these types of facts.
>
> You'd think... But! <G>
>
I know of what you speak.
Often, when talking on the phone with a store, I will ask for directions.
And the person is clueless. I then ask if their mommy drives them to work.
On Sat, 25 Mar 2006 18:26:44 -0500, "Tyke" <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>I do not think you would enjoy a bicycle ride between the airport and the
>showroom.
FWIW, I routinely ride 75 miles on my road bike and 3-4 hours on my
mountain bike here in New England. 7 miles isn't a big deal, except
maybe in the Rockies, Alps, or Sierras. <G> I have topo and road
maps so I can see the roads, I just didn't want to try to bike down
San Jose's El Camino Real, or Florida's Military Trail, both of which
look like mellow roads on maps. The local knowledge I was seeking
was more along the lines of the bike friendliness. For instance,
places like San Jose and Florida are flat, but the road design and
driving etiquette make for some heads-up riding. I can toss
"shopping clothes" in a small backpack, so I don't have to walk around
a machinery salesroom in Spandex. (bad visual, but the clothing is
very functional!)
We own two Dahon folding bikes that we keep with the plane for trips
to and from airports.
>Maybe you need to put out another message asking if any of the "wreckers"
>are visiting and when. If I were going to drive the 100 miles, it would not
>be a problem to drive another 7 miles to pick someone up.
Excellent idea!
I actually had thought of offering lunch to someone willing to do just
that, along with a possible ride for a CT, western MA, or eastern NY
'wrecker who isn't afraid to fly and won't puke on my glare shield. I
just haven't developed the plan that far yet. The plane is going that
way anyway, and having someone to talk to doesn't burn more fuel, and
makes the ride more pleasant. The guy who volunteered in Edinburgh is
a tad out of the way, unfortunately.
Are you volunteering to be the car? 8^) I'll buy the lunch! Just be
warned that general aviation doesn't run on the same sort of schedule
as the airlines, so arriving @ 10:30'ish, could be 10, 11, or 1:30, or
of course, 10:30.
Barry
On Sat, 25 Mar 2006 12:50:02 GMT, "John \(aka wheelzuk\)"
<[email protected]> wrote:
>Barry,
>
>Would you be kind enough to do a small flight detour to collect me in Edinburgh UK?
If I leave today, we could arrive at Grizzly sometime in April. I'd
also use enough avgas to fly you first class to JFK! <G>
Other than that, no problem! You wouldn't be the first wheelchair
user onboard, that's not an issue at all.
What time on Thursday would you like me to pick you up?
On Fri, 24 Mar 2006 11:47:22 -0500, Upscale wrote:
> Unfortunately, Canada doesn't yet have an organization that comes close to
> the clout of your ADA.
Considering how many websites I encounter that absolutely require Flash
before divulging ANY information, I'm not certain that the US ADA has
-enough- clout.
On Sat, 25 Mar 2006 12:01:44 -0500, Upscale wrote:
> "W Canaday" <[email protected]> wrote in message
>> > Unfortunately, Canada doesn't yet have an organization that comes
>> > close
> to
>> > the clout of your ADA.
>>
>> Considering how many websites I encounter that absolutely require Flash
>> before divulging ANY information, I'm not certain that the US ADA has
>> -enough- clout.
>
> You've lost me. What does the Americans with Disability Act have to do
> with Flash?
Browsers for the blind are text only and rely on text to speech
conversion. There are online (free) services that will check your code for
conformity to established standards, including ADA.
Try these for starters:
http://www.htmlvalidator.com/
http://validator.w3.org/
http://webxact.watchfire.com/
Browsers unable to display Flash come up totally empty when trying to
display a Flash - only page. One especially bonehead stunt I've seen is to
use regular html / css for the bulk of a page but put the link to order
goods (in this case, tickets to an event) behind a Flash-generated button.
I'll leave you to consider the wisdom of putting a barrier of any sort
between a customers credit card and a checkout screen. The blind are not
the only ones not using Flash, BTW. Those who are a little more security
conscious than most also don't see the wisdom of allowing foreign code to
run locally whether with or without explicit permission. That includes
a lot of folks using Linux. I have three browsers installed. None of them
are allowed to interpret and run Flash.
Bill