Very frustrated. I've watched the tutorials and either I'm really dense or
they just don't apply.
I'm trying to create a box approx 2 1/4" by 4" with 1/8" thick walls. Every
time I try to set these dimensions (cannot even get to the point of setting
the thickness dimension), the freakin' thing all but disappears. I've tried
zoom. That seems to be about useless. I've looked for templates as
instructed by the video. No idea at all where to find that. I've looked in
every menu. I get really pissed when things don't work as explained by the
vendor. I get even more pissed if it's just my brain damage...
Could use some help...
--
-Mike-
[email protected]
"Mike Marlow" <[email protected]> wrote:
> Leon wrote:
>> "Mike Marlow" <[email protected]> wrote:
>>> Very frustrated. I've watched the tutorials and either I'm really
>>> dense or they just don't apply.
>>>
>>> I'm trying to create a box approx 2 1/4" by 4" with 1/8" thick
>>> walls. Every time I try to set these dimensions (cannot even get to
>>> the point of setting the thickness dimension), the freakin' thing
>>> all but disappears. I've tried zoom. That seems to be about
>>> useless. I've looked for templates as instructed by the video. No
>>> idea at all where to find that. I've looked in every menu. I get
>>> really pissed when things don't work as explained by the vendor. I
>>> get even more pissed if it's just my brain damage...
>>>
>>> Could use some help...
>>
>>
>> Start a rectangle, left click to start and drag the rectangle in the
>> direction you want it to go, then type 2.24,4 and enter,
>>
>> Now select the push pull icon or type "P". Click the rectangle
>> surface and pull or push and then type .125 or 1/8 and enter. done
>> deal
>>
>> Now if every thing is too small with your initial rectangle click on
>> the zoom extents icon and every thing in the drawing will zoom to
>> fill the screen. The zoom extents icon is a magnifying glass and 3
>> red arrows.
>
> Not working Leon. Thanks for the tip on zoom extents - that did help. Not
> sure how to control how much it enlarges, but it certainly did help.
>
> Current problem is that I can create a cube but I cannot create what is
> essentially an open top box so that I can specify wall thickness. All I can
> get is the basic cube.
I was trying to explain, my second round, how to do it with separate sides.
More simply you can simply take your cube and draw a rectangle on the top
side. Draw it 1/8" smaller than the top. Or offset the outer perimeter
lines with the offset icon and choose 1/8".
Now push that inner square/rectangle in.
"Mike Marlow" <[email protected]> wrote:
> Leon wrote:
>> "Mike Marlow" <[email protected]> wrote:
>>> Leon wrote:
>>>> "Mike Marlow" <[email protected]> wrote:
>>>>> Very frustrated. I've watched the tutorials and either I'm really
>>>>> dense or they just don't apply.
>>>>>
>>>>> I'm trying to create a box approx 2 1/4" by 4" with 1/8" thick
>>>>> walls. Every time I try to set these dimensions (cannot even get
>>>>> to the point of setting the thickness dimension), the freakin'
>>>>> thing all but disappears. I've tried zoom. That seems to be about
>>>>> useless. I've looked for templates as instructed by the video. No
>>>>> idea at all where to find that. I've looked in every menu. I get
>>>>> really pissed when things don't work as explained by the vendor. I
>>>>> get even more pissed if it's just my brain damage...
>>>>>
>>>>> Could use some help...
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Start a rectangle, left click to start and drag the rectangle in
>>>> the direction you want it to go, then type 2.24,4 and enter,
>>>>
>>>> Now select the push pull icon or type "P". Click the rectangle
>>>> surface and pull or push and then type .125 or 1/8 and enter. done
>>>> deal
>>>
>>> That's what is not working now. I can now get it to enlarge thanks
>>> to your help, but when I push/pull all I get is a "cube". No way to
>>> create a wall thickness. If you type 1/8 you get a wall height of
>>> 1/8". I need a wall height of 2" and a wall thickness of 1/8".
>>>
>>
>> OK, I was not sure of what you wanted exactly. IIRC you did not
>> mention the 2" height.
>>
>> Anyway, draw your rectangle again but use 2.25, .125 and enter. The
>> rectangle should be laying flat. Now pull it up 2 and enter. You
>> now have one side to the box. NOW make it into a component. NOW
>> select everything by double clicking all of it or click dragging to
>> select all of it. Type G and give it a name or press enter.
>>
>>
>> Now another rectangle starting at the bottom corner of the previous
>> component and going in the appropriate direction. Rectangle 2.75,
>> .125. Pull 2 enter. Make into another component.
>>
>> See where we are going here?
>>
>>
>> If no success, call me tomorrow and we can do this together at the
>> same time on our computers.
>
> Hey - thanks Leon. I was afraid I might have to do it panel by panel, but
> somehow I had come to believe that I could simply do it with a push/pull and
> somehow specify a wall thickness. Maybe that just isn't possible. Let's
> see how it goes, and maybe we'll talk tomorrow night. Thanks - and Merry
> Christmas.
Mike I'll be happy to help any way I can. BUT we may have company tomorrow
night and or Friday night.
I know that sounds iffy but the company will be our son and his friends.
You now how young'ns schedules go, and you don't pass up an opportunity to
see them.
Just saying.
Shetchup is a bit difficult to start learning on. Once you understand the
basics everything seems to make more sense. The program is absolutely
worth the effort and is way more capable and easy to use than I thought
when first learning.
Oddly some of the difficult tasks that gave me trouble turn later to be
simple to perform.
"Mike Marlow" <[email protected]> wrote:
> Leon wrote:
>> "Mike Marlow" <[email protected]> wrote:
>>> Very frustrated. I've watched the tutorials and either I'm really
>>> dense or they just don't apply.
>>>
>>> I'm trying to create a box approx 2 1/4" by 4" with 1/8" thick
>>> walls. Every time I try to set these dimensions (cannot even get to
>>> the point of setting the thickness dimension), the freakin' thing
>>> all but disappears. I've tried zoom. That seems to be about
>>> useless. I've looked for templates as instructed by the video. No
>>> idea at all where to find that. I've looked in every menu. I get
>>> really pissed when things don't work as explained by the vendor. I
>>> get even more pissed if it's just my brain damage...
>>>
>>> Could use some help...
>>
>>
>> Start a rectangle, left click to start and drag the rectangle in the
>> direction you want it to go, then type 2.24,4 and enter,
>>
>> Now select the push pull icon or type "P". Click the rectangle
>> surface and pull or push and then type .125 or 1/8 and enter. done
>> deal
>
> That's what is not working now. I can now get it to enlarge thanks to your
> help, but when I push/pull all I get is a "cube". No way to create a wall
> thickness. If you type 1/8 you get a wall height of 1/8". I need a wall
> height of 2" and a wall thickness of 1/8".
>
OK, I was not sure of what you wanted exactly. IIRC you did not mention
the 2" height.
Anyway, draw your rectangle again but use 2.25, .125 and enter. The
rectangle should be laying flat. Now pull it up 2 and enter. You now
have one side to the box. NOW make it into a component. NOW select
everything by double clicking all of it or click dragging to select all of
it. Type G and give it a name or press enter.
Now another rectangle starting at the bottom corner of the previous
component and going in the appropriate direction. Rectangle 2.75, .125.
Pull 2 enter. Make into another component.
See where we are going here?
If no success, call me tomorrow and we can do this together at the same
time on our computers.
"Mike Marlow" <[email protected]> wrote:
> Very frustrated. I've watched the tutorials and either I'm really dense or
> they just don't apply.
>
> I'm trying to create a box approx 2 1/4" by 4" with 1/8" thick walls. Every
> time I try to set these dimensions (cannot even get to the point of setting
> the thickness dimension), the freakin' thing all but disappears. I've tried
> zoom. That seems to be about useless. I've looked for templates as
> instructed by the video. No idea at all where to find that. I've looked in
> every menu. I get really pissed when things don't work as explained by the
> vendor. I get even more pissed if it's just my brain damage...
>
> Could use some help...
One other thing. once you have that rectangle full screen save that
drawing and use that drawing as your start template/file for each new
drawing. That way you can see those small parts immediately.
"Mike Marlow" <[email protected]> wrote:
> Very frustrated. I've watched the tutorials and either I'm really dense or
> they just don't apply.
>
> I'm trying to create a box approx 2 1/4" by 4" with 1/8" thick walls. Every
> time I try to set these dimensions (cannot even get to the point of setting
> the thickness dimension), the freakin' thing all but disappears. I've tried
> zoom. That seems to be about useless. I've looked for templates as
> instructed by the video. No idea at all where to find that. I've looked in
> every menu. I get really pissed when things don't work as explained by the
> vendor. I get even more pissed if it's just my brain damage...
>
> Could use some help...
Start a rectangle, left click to start and drag the rectangle in the
direction you want it to go, then type 2.24,4 and enter,
Now select the push pull icon or type "P". Click the rectangle surface and
pull or push and then type .125 or 1/8 and enter. done deal
Now if every thing is too small with your initial rectangle click on the
zoom extents icon and every thing in the drawing will zoom to fill the
screen. The zoom extents icon is a magnifying glass and 3 red arrows.
On 12/26/2013 1:02 AM, Bill wrote:
>
>>>>> "Mike Marlow" <[email protected]> wrote:
>>>>>> Very frustrated. I've watched the tutorials and either I'm really
>>>>>> dense or they just don't apply.
>>>>>>
>
>
> You realize that you can basically "end" operations with the space bar,
> right?
The space bar starts the select tool. You can end most any operation
with most any other tool.
> When things are not going well, try using the space bar, and then
> starting over.
> Also <ctl>+z will "undo" operations.
>
> Hope that helps!
>
> When I was first learning to use SU, I used to draw a house every day.
> Just 5 or10 minutes worth....
On 12/26/2013 7:28 AM, Mike Marlow wrote:
> dadiOH wrote:
>
>>
>> You could sort of do that...
>>
>> 1. Make your rectangle.
>>
>> 2. Use the offset tool to make another rectangle inside the first,
>> offset by 1/8. To do that, select the offset tool, click inside the
>> box, move the cursor and type 1/8.
>>
>> 3. Now select the outside rectangle - your soon-to-be wall - and use
>> push/pull to pull up the 1/8" wall to the height desired.
>> _________________
>>
>> Remember that you can push/pull in two ways...
>>
>> 1. push/pull the selected surface
>>
>> 2. push/pull a COPY of the selected surface. To do that, select
>> push/pull and press Control; the P/P icon will now have a plus in it.
>>
>> The diference is, if you P/P as in #1, you wind up with a hollow
>> wall; via #2, a solid one.
>
> Yeah Baby! That worked - just as I was expecting things to work. Very
> clean - it creates the box as a unit rather than something that I have to
> build.
>
> Thank you sir!
>
> This may have been similar to what Leon was trying to point me towards last
> night - if so, I missed it.
>
Once I learned you simply wanted a cube with an indention, that was what
I was trying to steer your towards. :~)
I thought you were actually trying to draw a box with parts the first go
round.
On 12/26/2013 7:29 AM, Mike Marlow wrote:
> I do all of my work on my laptop with a touchpad, so as yet, I have not
> figured out how to get the effect of the wheel on a mouse, with a touchpad.
Dayum ... that would be frustrating as hell to me. Might as well be
trying to steer a car down the road with your nose. ;)
At the very minimum you want a mouse with a scroll wheel for SU.
Like you, I use a laptop (with a 24" second display) for all my SketchUp
work, but a two handed method, with a scroll wheel mouse, a
SpaceNavigator, :
https://picasaweb.google.com/lh/photo/hkC-aXgTy9-6Y7PkQfFondMTjNZETYmyPJy0liipFm0?feat=directlink
... then again, couple of days a week I probably spend as much time
using SU as I do breathing.
--
eWoodShop: www.eWoodShop.com
Wood Shop: www.e-WoodShop.net
google.com/+KarlCaillouet
http://www.custommade.com/by/ewoodshop/
KarlCaillouet@ (the obvious)
On 12/26/2013 8:19 AM, dadiOH wrote:
> "Mike Marlow" <[email protected]> wrote in
> message news:[email protected]
>> dadiOH wrote:
>>
>>>
>>> You could sort of do that...
>>>
>>> 1. Make your rectangle.
>>>
>>> 2. Use the offset tool to make another rectangle inside
>>> the first, offset by 1/8. To do that, select the
>>> offset tool, click inside the box, move the cursor and
>>> type 1/8. 3. Now select the outside rectangle - your soon-to-be
>>> wall - and use push/pull to pull up the 1/8" wall to
>>> the height desired.
> _________________
>>>
>>> Remember that you can push/pull in two ways...
>>>
>>> 1. push/pull the selected surface
>>>
>>> 2. push/pull a COPY of the selected surface. To do
>>> that, select push/pull and press Control; the P/P icon
>>> will now have a plus in it. The diference is, if you P/P as in #1, you
>>> wind up with
>>> a hollow wall; via #2, a solid one.
>>
>> Yeah Baby! That worked - just as I was expecting things
>> to work. Very clean - it creates the box as a unit
>> rather than something that I have to build.
>>
>> Thank you sir!
>
> My pleasure. Keep in mind the fact that you do NOT have four walls; you
> have one wall forming a rectangle. That may well be all you need but, for
> example, you wanted to make one "wall" taller or shorter you could not do so
> in the existing form...you would have to separate the "wall" you wanted to
> change, simply done by drawing two lines, one each where it meets the
> perpendicular walls at the ends.
>
>> This may have been similar to what Leon was trying to
>> point me towards last night - if so, I missed it.
>
> IIRC, he was suggesting drawing another rectangle inside the first. Or,
> maybe, drawing another rectangle appropriately sized elsewhere and then
> moving it into the original, larger rectangle. It could be done either way
> but using offset is easier.
> ________________
>
> One thing Leon mentions frequently is to MAKE COMPONENTS. He is right!!!!
> If you don't, you are going to have stuff sticking together and things will
> get deformed if/when you try to modify them.
>
> It does take some thought to decide how much and what should be included in
> the component; much depends upon what you are making. Take your box for
> example...
And just to make this a bit more clear, you can edit a component at nay
time should you not draw it completely or correctly when you make it
into a component. Simply double click it.
On 12/26/2013 3:19 PM, Bill wrote:
> Leon wrote:
>> On 12/26/2013 1:02 AM, Bill wrote:
>>>
>>>>>>> "Mike Marlow" <[email protected]> wrote:
>>>>>>>> Very frustrated. I've watched the tutorials and either I'm really
>>>>>>>> dense or they just don't apply.
>>>>>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> You realize that you can basically "end" operations with the space bar,
>>> right?
>>
>> The space bar starts the select tool. You can end most any operation
>> with most any other tool.
>
> Yes, but the space bar is a really convenient way to think about it.
> Nothing makes you mad in select mode!
;~)
On Wed, 25 Dec 2013 22:14:41 -0500, "Mike Marlow"
<[email protected]> wrote:
>Leon wrote:
>> "Mike Marlow" <[email protected]> wrote:
>>> Very frustrated. I've watched the tutorials and either I'm really
>>> dense or they just don't apply.
>>>
>>> I'm trying to create a box approx 2 1/4" by 4" with 1/8" thick
>>> walls. Every time I try to set these dimensions (cannot even get to
>>> the point of setting the thickness dimension), the freakin' thing
>>> all but disappears. I've tried zoom. That seems to be about
>>> useless. I've looked for templates as instructed by the video. No
>>> idea at all where to find that. I've looked in every menu. I get
>>> really pissed when things don't work as explained by the vendor. I
>>> get even more pissed if it's just my brain damage...
>>>
>>> Could use some help...
>>
>>
>> Start a rectangle, left click to start and drag the rectangle in the
>> direction you want it to go, then type 2.24,4 and enter,
>>
>> Now select the push pull icon or type "P". Click the rectangle
>> surface and pull or push and then type .125 or 1/8 and enter. done
>> deal
>
>That's what is not working now. I can now get it to enlarge thanks to your
>help, but when I push/pull all I get is a "cube". No way to create a wall
>thickness. If you type 1/8 you get a wall height of 1/8". I need a wall
>height of 2" and a wall thickness of 1/8".
Make another cube, offset by your 1/8" (and smaller by 1/4") inside
that cube. Delete the center. Or better, if you intend to actually
build this box, make the walls as you would make the box.
On 12/26/2013 9:02 PM, Mike Marlow wrote:
> Swingman wrote:
>> On 12/26/2013 7:29 AM, Mike Marlow wrote:
>>
>>> I do all of my work on my laptop with a touchpad, so as yet, I have
>>> not figured out how to get the effect of the wheel on a mouse, with
>>> a touchpad.
>>
>> Dayum ... that would be frustrating as hell to me. Might as well be
>> trying to steer a car down the road with your nose. ;)
>>
>> At the very minimum you want a mouse with a scroll wheel for SU.
>>
>> Like you, I use a laptop (with a 24" second display) for all my
>> SketchUp work, but a two handed method, with a scroll wheel mouse, a
>> SpaceNavigator, :
>>
>> https://picasaweb.google.com/lh/photo/hkC-aXgTy9-6Y7PkQfFondMTjNZETYmyPJy0liipFm0?feat=directlink
>>
>> ... then again, couple of days a week I probably spend as much time
>> using SU as I do breathing.
>
> Well then, I guess I resurect the old wheel mouse and put it back into
> service when I'm using Sketchup.
>
Yeah, with out at least a mouse you might as well use Sketchup blindfolded.
Leon wrote:
> "Mike Marlow" <[email protected]> wrote:
>> Very frustrated. I've watched the tutorials and either I'm really
>> dense or they just don't apply.
>>
>> I'm trying to create a box approx 2 1/4" by 4" with 1/8" thick
>> walls. Every time I try to set these dimensions (cannot even get to
>> the point of setting the thickness dimension), the freakin' thing
>> all but disappears. I've tried zoom. That seems to be about
>> useless. I've looked for templates as instructed by the video. No
>> idea at all where to find that. I've looked in every menu. I get
>> really pissed when things don't work as explained by the vendor. I
>> get even more pissed if it's just my brain damage...
>>
>> Could use some help...
>
>
> Start a rectangle, left click to start and drag the rectangle in the
> direction you want it to go, then type 2.24,4 and enter,
>
> Now select the push pull icon or type "P". Click the rectangle
> surface and pull or push and then type .125 or 1/8 and enter. done
> deal
That's what is not working now. I can now get it to enlarge thanks to your
help, but when I push/pull all I get is a "cube". No way to create a wall
thickness. If you type 1/8 you get a wall height of 1/8". I need a wall
height of 2" and a wall thickness of 1/8".
--
-Mike-
[email protected]
Leon wrote:
> "Mike Marlow" <[email protected]> wrote:
>> Very frustrated. I've watched the tutorials and either I'm really
>> dense or they just don't apply.
>>
>> I'm trying to create a box approx 2 1/4" by 4" with 1/8" thick
>> walls. Every time I try to set these dimensions (cannot even get to
>> the point of setting the thickness dimension), the freakin' thing
>> all but disappears. I've tried zoom. That seems to be about
>> useless. I've looked for templates as instructed by the video. No
>> idea at all where to find that. I've looked in every menu. I get
>> really pissed when things don't work as explained by the vendor. I
>> get even more pissed if it's just my brain damage...
>>
>> Could use some help...
>
>
> Start a rectangle, left click to start and drag the rectangle in the
> direction you want it to go, then type 2.24,4 and enter,
>
> Now select the push pull icon or type "P". Click the rectangle
> surface and pull or push and then type .125 or 1/8 and enter. done
> deal
>
> Now if every thing is too small with your initial rectangle click on
> the zoom extents icon and every thing in the drawing will zoom to
> fill the screen. The zoom extents icon is a magnifying glass and 3
> red arrows.
Not working Leon. Thanks for the tip on zoom extents - that did help. Not
sure how to control how much it enlarges, but it certainly did help.
Current problem is that I can create a cube but I cannot create what is
essentially an open top box so that I can specify wall thickness. All I can
get is the basic cube.
--
-Mike-
[email protected]
Leon wrote:
> "Mike Marlow" <[email protected]> wrote:
>> Leon wrote:
>>> "Mike Marlow" <[email protected]> wrote:
>>>> Very frustrated. I've watched the tutorials and either I'm really
>>>> dense or they just don't apply.
>>>>
>>>> I'm trying to create a box approx 2 1/4" by 4" with 1/8" thick
>>>> walls. Every time I try to set these dimensions (cannot even get
>>>> to the point of setting the thickness dimension), the freakin'
>>>> thing all but disappears. I've tried zoom. That seems to be about
>>>> useless. I've looked for templates as instructed by the video. No
>>>> idea at all where to find that. I've looked in every menu. I get
>>>> really pissed when things don't work as explained by the vendor. I
>>>> get even more pissed if it's just my brain damage...
>>>>
>>>> Could use some help...
>>>
>>>
>>> Start a rectangle, left click to start and drag the rectangle in
>>> the direction you want it to go, then type 2.24,4 and enter,
>>>
>>> Now select the push pull icon or type "P". Click the rectangle
>>> surface and pull or push and then type .125 or 1/8 and enter. done
>>> deal
>>
>> That's what is not working now. I can now get it to enlarge thanks
>> to your help, but when I push/pull all I get is a "cube". No way to
>> create a wall thickness. If you type 1/8 you get a wall height of
>> 1/8". I need a wall height of 2" and a wall thickness of 1/8".
>>
>
> OK, I was not sure of what you wanted exactly. IIRC you did not
> mention the 2" height.
>
> Anyway, draw your rectangle again but use 2.25, .125 and enter. The
> rectangle should be laying flat. Now pull it up 2 and enter. You
> now have one side to the box. NOW make it into a component. NOW
> select everything by double clicking all of it or click dragging to
> select all of it. Type G and give it a name or press enter.
>
>
> Now another rectangle starting at the bottom corner of the previous
> component and going in the appropriate direction. Rectangle 2.75,
> .125. Pull 2 enter. Make into another component.
>
> See where we are going here?
>
>
> If no success, call me tomorrow and we can do this together at the
> same time on our computers.
Hey - thanks Leon. I was afraid I might have to do it panel by panel, but
somehow I had come to believe that I could simply do it with a push/pull and
somehow specify a wall thickness. Maybe that just isn't possible. Let's
see how it goes, and maybe we'll talk tomorrow night. Thanks - and Merry
Christmas.
--
-Mike-
[email protected]
Mike Marlow wrote:
> Very frustrated. I've watched the tutorials and either I'm really dense or
> they just don't apply.
>
> I'm trying to create a box approx 2 1/4" by 4" with 1/8" thick walls. Every
> time I try to set these dimensions (cannot even get to the point of setting
> the thickness dimension), the freakin' thing all but disappears. I've tried
> zoom. That seems to be about useless. I've looked for templates as
> instructed by the video. No idea at all where to find that. I've looked in
> every menu. I get really pissed when things don't work as explained by the
> vendor. I get even more pissed if it's just my brain damage...
>
> Could use some help...
>
Baby steps. If you can create a face, you can create a box. And then you
can remove a slightly small box from the first one the same way, only
upside-down! Then you'll have it. And try to remember to enjoy
yourself! That seems like the main place you're getting stuck.
Also, for something new, try using the "offset" function to draw the
smaller square above. Did you color the box?
There is definitely more than one way to make a box. Try making one by
putting 5 panels together (using move (m)).
Glad to hear you are learning SU. You'll never regret it!
Best,
Bill
>>>> "Mike Marlow" <[email protected]> wrote:
>>>>> Very frustrated. I've watched the tutorials and either I'm really
>>>>> dense or they just don't apply.
>>>>>
You realize that you can basically "end" operations with the space bar,
right?
When things are not going well, try using the space bar, and then
starting over.
Also <ctl>+z will "undo" operations.
Hope that helps!
When I was first learning to use SU, I used to draw a house every day.
Just 5 or10 minutes worth....
Leon wrote:
> Mike I'll be happy to help any way I can. BUT we may have company
> tomorrow night and or Friday night.
> I know that sounds iffy but the company will be our son and his
> friends. You now how young'ns schedules go, and you don't pass up an
> opportunity to see them.
I get that!
> Shetchup is a bit difficult to start learning on. Once you
> understand the basics everything seems to make more sense. The
> program is absolutely worth the effort and is way more capable and
> easy to use than I thought when first learning.
> Oddly some of the difficult tasks that gave me trouble turn later to
> be simple to perform.
Yeah - I have used it before to model a project at the church we used to
attend, so I have some familiarity with it, but I guess I did not have to do
this same thing for that project. I'll keep muddling along with it. I had
considered a smaller box within the cube as both you and Bill suggested, but
I thought there just must be a better way that simply leveraged the pull
down/pull up tool. Guess maybe not.
--
-Mike-
[email protected]
"Mike Marlow" <[email protected]> wrote in
message news:[email protected]
> Leon wrote:
> > "Mike Marlow" <[email protected]> wrote:
> > > Leon wrote:
> > > > "Mike Marlow" <[email protected]> wrote:
> > > > > Very frustrated. I've watched the tutorials and
> > > > > either I'm really dense or they just don't apply.
> > > > >
> > > > > I'm trying to create a box approx 2 1/4" by 4"
> > > > > with 1/8" thick walls. Every time I try to set
> > > > > these dimensions (cannot even get to the point of
> > > > > setting the thickness dimension), the freakin'
> > > > > thing all but disappears. I've tried zoom. That
> > > > > seems to be about useless. I've looked for
> > > > > templates as instructed by the video. No idea at
> > > > > all where to find that. I've looked in every
> > > > > menu. I get really pissed when things don't work
> > > > > as explained by the vendor. I get even more
> > > > > pissed if it's just my brain damage... Could use some help...
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Start a rectangle, left click to start and drag
> > > > the rectangle in the direction you want it to go, then type 2.24,4
> > > > and enter, Now select the push pull icon or type "P". Click
> > > > the rectangle surface and pull or push and then
> > > > type .125 or 1/8 and enter. done deal
> > >
> > > That's what is not working now. I can now get it to
> > > enlarge thanks to your help, but when I push/pull all
> > > I get is a "cube". No way to create a wall
> > > thickness. If you type 1/8 you get a wall height of
> > > 1/8". I need a wall height of 2" and a wall
> > > thickness of 1/8".
> >
> > OK, I was not sure of what you wanted exactly. IIRC
> > you did not mention the 2" height.
> >
> > Anyway, draw your rectangle again but use 2.25, .125
> > and enter. The rectangle should be laying flat. Now
> > pull it up 2 and enter. You now have one side to the
> > box. NOW make it into a component. NOW select
> > everything by double clicking all of it or click
> > dragging to select all of it. Type G and give it a
> > name or press enter. Now another rectangle starting at the bottom
> > corner of
> > the previous component and going in the appropriate
> > direction. Rectangle 2.75, .125. Pull 2 enter. Make
> > into another component. See where we are going here?
> >
> >
> > If no success, call me tomorrow and we can do this
> > together at the same time on our computers.
>
> Hey - thanks Leon. I was afraid I might have to do it
> panel by panel, but somehow I had come to believe that I
> could simply do it with a push/pull and somehow specify a
> wall thickness. Maybe that just isn't possible. Let's
> see how it goes, and maybe we'll talk tomorrow night. Thanks - and Merry
> Christmas.
You could sort of do that...
1. Make your rectangle.
2. Use the offset tool to make another rectangle inside the first, offset by
1/8. To do that, select the offset tool, click inside the box, move the
cursor and type 1/8.
3. Now select the outside rectangle - your soon-to-be wall - and use
push/pull to pull up the 1/8" wall to the height desired.
_________________
Remember that you can push/pull in two ways...
1. push/pull the selected surface
2. push/pull a COPY of the selected surface. To do that, select push/pull
and press Control; the P/P icon will now have a plus in it.
The diference is, if you P/P as in #1, you wind up with a hollow wall; via
#2, a solid one.
--
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"Mike Marlow" <[email protected]> wrote in
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> Not working Leon. Thanks for the tip on zoom extents -
> that did help. Not sure how to control how much it
> enlarges, but it certainly did help.
Use the center mouse wheel and you can zoom as much or little as you wish.
You can use the wheel regardless of what tool is active.
--
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dadiOH wrote:
>
> You could sort of do that...
>
> 1. Make your rectangle.
>
> 2. Use the offset tool to make another rectangle inside the first,
> offset by 1/8. To do that, select the offset tool, click inside the
> box, move the cursor and type 1/8.
>
> 3. Now select the outside rectangle - your soon-to-be wall - and use
> push/pull to pull up the 1/8" wall to the height desired.
> _________________
>
> Remember that you can push/pull in two ways...
>
> 1. push/pull the selected surface
>
> 2. push/pull a COPY of the selected surface. To do that, select
> push/pull and press Control; the P/P icon will now have a plus in it.
>
> The diference is, if you P/P as in #1, you wind up with a hollow
> wall; via #2, a solid one.
Yeah Baby! That worked - just as I was expecting things to work. Very
clean - it creates the box as a unit rather than something that I have to
build.
Thank you sir!
This may have been similar to what Leon was trying to point me towards last
night - if so, I missed it.
--
-Mike-
[email protected]
dadiOH wrote:
> "Mike Marlow" <[email protected]> wrote in
> message news:[email protected]
>
>> Not working Leon. Thanks for the tip on zoom extents -
>> that did help. Not sure how to control how much it
>> enlarges, but it certainly did help.
>
> Use the center mouse wheel and you can zoom as much or little as you
> wish. You can use the wheel regardless of what tool is active.
I do all of my work on my laptop with a touchpad, so as yet, I have not
figured out how to get the effect of the wheel on a mouse, with a touchpad.
--
-Mike-
[email protected]
"Mike Marlow" <[email protected]> wrote in
message news:[email protected]
> dadiOH wrote:
>
> >
> > You could sort of do that...
> >
> > 1. Make your rectangle.
> >
> > 2. Use the offset tool to make another rectangle inside
> > the first, offset by 1/8. To do that, select the
> > offset tool, click inside the box, move the cursor and
> > type 1/8. 3. Now select the outside rectangle - your soon-to-be
> > wall - and use push/pull to pull up the 1/8" wall to
> > the height desired.
_________________
> >
> > Remember that you can push/pull in two ways...
> >
> > 1. push/pull the selected surface
> >
> > 2. push/pull a COPY of the selected surface. To do
> > that, select push/pull and press Control; the P/P icon
> > will now have a plus in it. The diference is, if you P/P as in #1, you
> > wind up with
> > a hollow wall; via #2, a solid one.
>
> Yeah Baby! That worked - just as I was expecting things
> to work. Very clean - it creates the box as a unit
> rather than something that I have to build.
>
> Thank you sir!
My pleasure. Keep in mind the fact that you do NOT have four walls; you
have one wall forming a rectangle. That may well be all you need but, for
example, you wanted to make one "wall" taller or shorter you could not do so
in the existing form...you would have to separate the "wall" you wanted to
change, simply done by drawing two lines, one each where it meets the
perpendicular walls at the ends.
> This may have been similar to what Leon was trying to
> point me towards last night - if so, I missed it.
IIRC, he was suggesting drawing another rectangle inside the first. Or,
maybe, drawing another rectangle appropriately sized elsewhere and then
moving it into the original, larger rectangle. It could be done either way
but using offset is easier.
________________
One thing Leon mentions frequently is to MAKE COMPONENTS. He is right!!!!
If you don't, you are going to have stuff sticking together and things will
get deformed if/when you try to modify them.
It does take some thought to decide how much and what should be included in
the component; much depends upon what you are making. Take your box for
example...
You now have a bottom which has no thickness and a wall around the
perimeter. If that bottom was destined to be a floor, it should become a
component; doing so would allow you to modify the thickness or size and to
place other objects on it without affecting anything else. If the walls of
your box were to become walls of a house, they too should become one or more
components. All components together could become a group.
To make those separate components as now drawn, you would have to select the
things NOT to be included in the component, hide them, select what is left
and "componentize" them. That can be made easier by creating and using
layers as you draw items; make a layer called "floor", make it the active
layer and draw the floor. Make another layer called "walls", activate it
and draw the walls. You can then hide any layer. I alway have a layer
named "notes" and another for "dimensions"; they are usually hidden to hide
the clutter until I want it.
I also (usually) preface component and layer names with a number...eg, 10
floor...11 walls. In this case, all structural things would begin with
"1n", makes it easier to find them as they sort alphabetically. If I were
making doors/windows in the walls, they might become "20 SW window...20 E
window...21 entry door...21 passage door".
--
dadiOH
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Leon wrote:
> On 12/26/2013 1:02 AM, Bill wrote:
>>
>>>>>> "Mike Marlow" <[email protected]> wrote:
>>>>>>> Very frustrated. I've watched the tutorials and either I'm really
>>>>>>> dense or they just don't apply.
>>>>>>>
>>
>>
>> You realize that you can basically "end" operations with the space bar,
>> right?
>
> The space bar starts the select tool. You can end most any operation
> with most any other tool.
Yes, but the space bar is a really convenient way to think about it.
Nothing makes you mad in select mode!
Swingman wrote:
> On 12/26/2013 7:29 AM, Mike Marlow wrote:
>
>> I do all of my work on my laptop with a touchpad, so as yet, I have
>> not figured out how to get the effect of the wheel on a mouse, with
>> a touchpad.
>
> Dayum ... that would be frustrating as hell to me. Might as well be
> trying to steer a car down the road with your nose. ;)
>
> At the very minimum you want a mouse with a scroll wheel for SU.
>
> Like you, I use a laptop (with a 24" second display) for all my
> SketchUp work, but a two handed method, with a scroll wheel mouse, a
> SpaceNavigator, :
>
> https://picasaweb.google.com/lh/photo/hkC-aXgTy9-6Y7PkQfFondMTjNZETYmyPJy0liipFm0?feat=directlink
>
> ... then again, couple of days a week I probably spend as much time
> using SU as I do breathing.
Well then, I guess I resurect the old wheel mouse and put it back into
service when I'm using Sketchup.
--
-Mike-
[email protected]
OK, here's the easy way, and then the right way.
Easy way:
Start with your 2.25x4" rectangle as everybody has already
described.
Use the "push-pull" tool to pull it up 2" to make the cube.
Use the "offset" tool on the top rectangle of the cube to make
a smaller rectangle. Place the smaller rectangle approximately where
you think it should be, then type ".125" and hit enter to make the
offset exactly 1/8".
Use the "push-pull" tool again, to push the center rectangle
*down* into the body of the cube. Push it "1 7/8"
You're done. You've now described your box just the way it
would be if you used 3-d printing to create it.
But since this is rec.woodworking, we know you're not using
3-d printing, so that brings us to:
The right way:
Sketchup doesn't make it easy to start with a box as described
above, and slice it into the actual boards you would use to create
the box. (Maybe the pro version can do this, I dunno.)
So instead, just make a bunch of rectangular solids in the sizes
and shapes that the boards will be that you'll use to build your
box. Make each of these solids a group; this will keep them from
combining or cutting each other when you place them with other
geometry.
Use the move tool to join your little boards together into a box.
--
-Ed Falk, [email protected]
http://thespamdiaries.blogspot.com/
On 12/29/2013 9:49 PM, Edward A. Falk wrote:
> OK, here's the easy way, and then the right way.
>
> Easy way:
>
> Start with your 2.25x4" rectangle as everybody has already
> described.
>
> Use the "push-pull" tool to pull it up 2" to make the cube.
>
> Use the "offset" tool on the top rectangle of the cube to make
> a smaller rectangle. Place the smaller rectangle approximately where
> you think it should be, then type ".125" and hit enter to make the
> offset exactly 1/8".
>
> Use the "push-pull" tool again, to push the center rectangle
> *down* into the body of the cube. Push it "1 7/8"
>
> You're done. You've now described your box just the way it
> would be if you used 3-d printing to create it.
>
> But since this is rec.woodworking, we know you're not using
> 3-d printing, so that brings us to:
>
>
> The right way:
>
> Sketchup doesn't make it easy to start with a box as described
> above, and slice it into the actual boards you would use to create
> the box. (Maybe the pro version can do this, I dunno.)
>
> So instead, just make a bunch of rectangular solids in the sizes
> and shapes that the boards will be that you'll use to build your
> box. Make each of these solids a group; this will keep them from
> combining or cutting each other when you place them with other
> geometry.
You can make your solids to groups but,
Better to make the "rectangular solids" into a component. If you make
each piece into a group and decide to edit "like pieces" you will have
to edit each individual piece. If you make "like pieces" into
components and decide to edit those like pieces, all same like pieces
will change to reflect the edit. And when you make a component you can
give that component a name.
After you have assembled the components, make that assembly into a group
for easier copying and moving of the assembly. Or make that assembly of
named component tops, bottoms, and sides into a component again and name
it, "box".
> Use the move tool to join your little boards together into a box.
>