"Charlie Self" <[email protected]> wrote in
news:[email protected]:
>
> the log, but if he gets an offer over 100 grand, I'll be surprised. In
I'm calling CitiBank to see if one of my cards has a $1.5MM limit on it.
Would hate to make an offer only to have my card max'd out.
Todd Fatheree wrote:
> "Upscale" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> news:[email protected]...
> > "Mike Schwarz" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> > > I don't think my 10" TS or my 14" BS (with riser) would be able to
> handle
> > > this piece of wood :)
> >
> > What's funny is that the buy it now price is $1,500,000. What will be even
> > funnier is when some idiot pays that for it.
>
> Pray tell...what is the value of a log this size and age?
>
Depends on how many people you can find collecting 16' long chunks of
log, I guess, but nowhere is it apt to be a million and a half bucks.
The photos are abominations, so it's impossible to tell rmuch about the
log, but if he gets an offer over 100 grand, I'll be surprised. In
fact, if he gets an offer, I'll be at least slightly surprised.
In article <[email protected]>, Mike
Schwarz <[email protected]> wrote:
> I don't think my 10" TS or my 14" BS (with riser) would be able to handle
> this piece of wood :)
He lists the size as:
21-0 long
21-7 cir. at top
23-2 cir at bottom
So, somebody check my math here. I'm assuming a useable length of 20',
and a useable minimum diameter of 6', and I come up with 565 cubic feet
of log. At 12 bf per cu. ft., that's 6700 board feet (allowing for
waste and kerf).
This sucker is pushing $10/bf already!
Kevin
In article <[email protected]>, Robert Bonomi
<[email protected]> wrote:
> using the 21'7" circumference, I get a diameter of 6.870189 ft.
> or a radius of 3.435094 ft.
> PI*r**2 gives 37.459896 sq.ft cross-section.
> 21' length gives 786.657816 cu. ft.
> or 9339.893792 bd ft. before any wastage.
I factored my waste before cutting, because 21'7" circumference does
not yield a usable diameter of 6.8'. Bark, pith, and irregularity of
shape... I would bet my figures are more realistic.
> Allowing for the bigger base circumference. one gets over 9800 'raw' bd ft.
Only the smaller figure is useable, since it's the only one that can
produce full-length boards. Unless the diameter difference is radical,
there's no useable stock between minimum and maximum diameters.
Kevin
In article <[email protected]>, Robert Bonomi
<[email protected]> wrote:
> One can always reclaim the sawdust for Pres-to logs for the fireplace. *grin*
Badda-bing! <G>
Kevin
In article <[email protected]>,
Fly-by-Night CC <[email protected]> wrote:
> My neighbor told me a similar story about 1 log per truck in the old
> days.
One of our local hospitals has a wall of historical photos from the
community. A few of those photos are of log trucks (and even mule-drawn
wagons) pulling huge logs. To the best of my recollection and
guestimation, the logs are 6-10 feet diameter. Except these aren't
redwoods or virgin fir, they're bayou cypress. From above the swell.
Man, couldn't I make a fishing cabin with one of those!
Kevin
In article <1119376292.91eb6ca4050c4b1df01e17256c3ba52b@teranews>,
Kevin Craig <[email protected]> wrote:
>In article <[email protected]>, Mike
>Schwarz <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>> I don't think my 10" TS or my 14" BS (with riser) would be able to handle
>> this piece of wood :)
>
>He lists the size as:
>
>21-0 long
>
>21-7 cir. at top
>
>23-2 cir at bottom
>
>So, somebody check my math here. I'm assuming a useable length of 20',
>and a useable minimum diameter of 6', and I come up with 565 cubic feet
>of log. At 12 bf per cu. ft., that's 6700 board feet (allowing for
>waste and kerf).
using the 21'7" circumference, I get a diameter of 6.870189 ft.
or a radius of 3.435094 ft.
PI*r**2 gives 37.459896 sq.ft cross-section.
21' length gives 786.657816 cu. ft.
or 9339.893792 bd ft. before any wastage.
Which puts the 'raw' price at bit under under $7/bd ft.
Allowing for the bigger base circumference. one gets over 9800 'raw' bd ft.
In article <1119424952.1ab73bdb6869abf492ecf9ade2daa1ce@teranews>,
Kevin Craig <[email protected]> wrote:
>In article <[email protected]>, Robert Bonomi
><[email protected]> wrote:
>
>> using the 21'7" circumference, I get a diameter of 6.870189 ft.
>> or a radius of 3.435094 ft.
>> PI*r**2 gives 37.459896 sq.ft cross-section.
>> 21' length gives 786.657816 cu. ft.
>> or 9339.893792 bd ft. before any wastage.
>
>I factored my waste before cutting, because 21'7" circumference does
>not yield a usable diameter of 6.8'. Bark, pith, and irregularity of
>shape... I would bet my figures are more realistic.
I wouldn't doubt it. <grin>
>
>> Allowing for the bigger base circumference. one gets over 9800 'raw' bd ft.
>
>Only the smaller figure is useable, since it's the only one that can
>produce full-length boards. Unless the diameter difference is radical,
>there's no useable stock between minimum and maximum diameters.
On 'rational' sized logs, I wouldn't argue that very hard. this one is big
enough diameter, that _relatively_ smaller differences can still yield usable
stock.
There's an extra 6" in diamter at the big end. Assuming linear taper,
you've got an extra 3" at the mid-point. ought to be able to get a fair
bunch of 10' 1x2s (if not larger) out of the big-end cut-offs.
One can always reclaim the sawdust for Pres-to logs for the fireplace. *grin*
"Charlie Self" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
>
>
> Todd Fatheree wrote:
> > "Upscale" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> > news:[email protected]...
> > > "Mike Schwarz" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> > > > I don't think my 10" TS or my 14" BS (with riser) would be able to
> > handle
> > > > this piece of wood :)
> > >
> > > What's funny is that the buy it now price is $1,500,000. What will be
even
> > > funnier is when some idiot pays that for it.
> >
> > Pray tell...what is the value of a log this size and age?
> >
>
> Depends on how many people you can find collecting 16' long chunks of
> log, I guess, but nowhere is it apt to be a million and a half bucks.
> The photos are abominations, so it's impossible to tell rmuch about the
> log, but if he gets an offer over 100 grand, I'll be surprised. In
> fact, if he gets an offer, I'll be at least slightly surprised.
Well, he already has several offers, the highest of which currently stands
at $65,100. The Buy It Now price of $1.5 mil is pretty much meaningless.
The real question is, what is the reserve price? My point is that I don't
think that anyone here knows the true value of a 40,000 lb hunk of sequoia.
todd
"Mike Schwarz" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
>I don't think my 10" TS or my 14" BS (with riser) would be able to handle
>this piece of wood :)
>
> http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=1269&item=7523674395&rd=1
>
I wonder where the rest of it is. A lot of toothpicks there, eh?
- Owen -
"Mike Schwarz" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> I don't think my 10" TS or my 14" BS (with riser) would be able to handle
> this piece of wood :)
What's funny is that the buy it now price is $1,500,000. What will be even
funnier is when some idiot pays that for it.
"Upscale" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> "Mike Schwarz" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> > I don't think my 10" TS or my 14" BS (with riser) would be able to
handle
> > this piece of wood :)
>
> What's funny is that the buy it now price is $1,500,000. What will be even
> funnier is when some idiot pays that for it.
Pray tell...what is the value of a log this size and age?
todd
"Robatoy" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> In article <[email protected]>,
> "Todd Fatheree" <[email protected]> wrote:
>
> > My point is that I don't
> > think that anyone here knows the true value of a 40,000 lb hunk of
sequoia.
>
> I agree. I don't think the bd-ft value has anything to do with it.
> Carve a masterpiece of a wizard for some Hollywood-type and you'll get
> your money.
> That piece of wood needs a publicist.
I worked the total board feet to be roughly 10,000. Admittedly, I don't
know the board-feet value of sequoia lumber, but I doubt the purchase could
be justified on that basis. Moreso on the fact that this is, AFAIK, a
one-of-a-kind item.
todd
You're thinking about this all wrong. The log isn't too big for your tools.
Your tools are too small for the log. You need to upgrade! Of course, the
first upgrade is probably a new shop, like Tom P's...
Clint
"Mike Schwarz" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> I don't think my 10" TS or my 14" BS (with riser) would be able to handle
> this piece of wood :)
>
>
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=1269&item=7523674395&rd=1
>
> Wow!
>
>
In article <[email protected]>,
"Todd Fatheree" <[email protected]> wrote:
> My point is that I don't
> think that anyone here knows the true value of a 40,000 lb hunk of sequoia.
I agree. I don't think the bd-ft value has anything to do with it.
Carve a masterpiece of a wizard for some Hollywood-type and you'll get
your money.
That piece of wood needs a publicist.
In article <[email protected]>,
"Mike Schwarz" <[email protected]> wrote:
> I don't think my 10" TS or my 14" BS (with riser) would be able to handle
> this piece of wood :)
>
> http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=1269&item=7523674395&rd
> =1
>
> Wow!
That's a lot of coffee tables.
ORrrrr.....
An architect with vision together with a team of engineers could create
a masterpiece. A million- five, isn't what it used to be. For instance,
if Madonna wanted to have it made into a bidet, it'd get sold.
On Tue, 21 Jun 2005 09:02:42 -0400, Robatoy <[email protected]> wrote:
>In article <[email protected]>,
> "Mike Schwarz" <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>> I don't think my 10" TS or my 14" BS (with riser) would be able to handle
>> this piece of wood :)
>>
>> http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=1269&item=7523674395&rd
>> =1
>>
>> Wow!
>
>That's a lot of coffee tables.
>
>ORrrrr.....
>
>An architect with vision together with a team of engineers could create
>a masterpiece. A million- five, isn't what it used to be. For instance,
>if Madonna wanted to have it made into a bidet, it'd get sold.
Or Bill Gates was in the market for a new paper weight...
mac
Please remove splinters before emailing
On Mon, 20 Jun 2005 22:03:10 -0400, "Mike Schwarz" <[email protected]>
wrote:
>I don't think my 10" TS or my 14" BS (with riser) would be able to handle
>this piece of wood :)
>
>http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=1269&item=7523674395&rd=1
>
>Wow!
If you had that much money to spend on a hunk o' wood, I'd imagine you
could just have your butler find someone to cut it to a more suitable
size for you. :)
The value doesn't scale linearly with dimension; the bigger plank you can
get, the more it is worth.
When I was a kid in Oregon, they were still logging first growth, douglas
fir and cedars. I used to carry a baritone horn to school while trucks went
by carrying one log, a piece about 20' long. Those went to a lumber mill,
where planks were cut off. After the core got small (I don't remember how
small) the remaining part was sent to a veneer mill where a lathe removed
layers for plywood. The final "peeler core" was about 6 inches in diameter.
Depending on the mill, those could be sold for firewood or cut up into
broomsticks, etc. They finally burned the bark, chips and sawdust to
generate steam. It was said they used everything but the smoke. And
actually, electrostatic precipitators in the stack collected particulates,
which were pressed into charcoal briquets, although it didn't pay to ship
those far.
Steve
"and a useable minimum diameter of 6', "
"Todd Fatheree" <[email protected]> wrote:
> "Robatoy" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> news:[email protected]...
>> In article <[email protected]>,
>> "Todd Fatheree" <[email protected]> wrote:
>>
>> > My point is that I don't
>> > think that anyone here knows the true value of a 40,000 lb hunk of
> sequoia.
>>
>> I agree. I don't think the bd-ft value has anything to do with it.
>> Carve a masterpiece of a wizard for some Hollywood-type and you'll
>> get your money.
>> That piece of wood needs a publicist.
>
> I worked the total board feet to be roughly 10,000. Admittedly, I
> don't know the board-feet value of sequoia lumber, but I doubt the
> purchase could be justified on that basis. Moreso on the fact that
> this is, AFAIK, a one-of-a-kind item.
Particularly if it was cut in Oklahoma where it is being sold! :o)
>
> todd
>
>
>
"Kevin Craig" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> This sucker is pushing $10/bf already!
Well, if someone was going to buy it for any of those prices, it would make
sense just to spend the money on ready to use stock. The only way it might
be worth something is if some project was made using the whole log as a
single unit. Totem pole maybe or something else equally exotic.
In article <[email protected]>,
"Steve Peterson" <[email protected]> wrote:
> When I was a kid in Oregon, they were still logging first growth, douglas
> fir and cedars. I used to carry a baritone horn to school while trucks went
> by carrying one log, a piece about 20' long.
My neighbor told me a similar story about 1 log per truck in the old
days.
There was an article in The Oregonian a couple weeks back about an
upstart company in St. Helens, OR, doing Willamette and Columbia River
underwater timber salvage similar to the operations in the Great Lakes
and other places. The owner of the company has his eye on a beast of a
log that he just doesn't have the massive equipment, as yet, to raise -
the log is on the order of 12' in diameter.
--
Owen Lowe
The Fly-by-Night Copper Company
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"Steve Peterson" <[email protected]> writes:
[...]
> When I was a kid in Oregon, they were still logging first growth, douglas
> fir and cedars. I used to carry a baritone horn to school while trucks went
> by carrying one log, a piece about 20' long. Those went to a lumber mill,
This one log part per truck reminds me of the joke of the two farmers
bragging about the size of their farms where the first farmer says:
"My farm is so large that I need 3 days to drive around it in my
car!", to which the other replies" "Oh yes, I once also had a car like
that..."
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