And Now A Few Brads To Hold Things ‘Til The Glue Dries

Why're you mitering? For practice? Putting those things together is a
hassle, IMO. To me, it seems the box will protect them, sure, but also
hides the working ends, making selection that much more difficult.
You'd better know your handles well. Besides, everyone knows a good (if
there's such a thing) miter will be splined, right? Tom

"charlie b" <[email protected]> wrote in message
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> So - the next time I've got a bunch of mitered corners to do, i'm going
> to borrow back my pin nailer a buddy has had for at least six months,
> and see if "a few brads to hold things 'til the glue dries" makes things
> a little easier.
>
> Anyone have a slick solution to the mitered corners glue up "challenge"?


A band clamp. It self adjusts all the corners.

Band clamps, spring wire pinch "clamps" and tape
are all great ideas. BTW, they make spring wire
pinch "clamps" that don't require the special "pliers".

As is often the case, I failed to provide critical info.

I tend to evolve pieces, making part one, dry fitting or glueing
it up, then figure out, based on what I've got, what to do next.
And being an impatient person, I often put a finish on what I
have so far in order to see what will go with it.

Unlike the more organized segment of the population, the
ones who make a cut list and actually remember to take it
with them to the lumber supplier, I often just rummage
through what I've got looking for something that's thick
enough, long enough and wide enough to work - AND might
go with what I've got. In this case, it was some walnut,
resawn a year or so ago from some tree branches. What
I had was maybe 3/8" thick and perhaps 18" long. Not
of a size that lends itself to proper stock prep - with a
joiner and planer. A drum sander got two faces smooth
and parallel but the parts weren't flat. I did join one
edge using a #6, with a Hock iron and chip breaker
just to gloat a little, and ripped a parallel edge.

Now if you've tried to make a picture frame out of
bowed, slightyl cupped or twisted parts you're
familiar with the phrase "an exercise in futility".
But, if you've already made the box this "frame" is
going on, you have more glue surfaces than just at the
mitered corners to help you compensate for less than
perfectly prepared stock. If you add a rabbet the glue
surface increases even more.

So I'm using the top of the existing box to act as an
inside jig. It holds the vertical alignment and, once
the mitered corners are tight and fixed in place,
with clamps, slight twists, bows or cupping can be
pulled in and straightened out. Once the glue's
set the parts will stay put. But, with all the necessary
clamps in place. getting to squeeze out is tough if
not impossible.

Band clamps cover the outside of the mitered corners
so you can't see them and pull in twists or cupping.
They'll let you clamp in the sides but there's still
the covered corners.

Spring pinch clamps let you see the outside corners
of the mitered corners but can open up as you pull
the sides into the case. If the spring pinch clamps
are strong enough to hold they're apt to split the
wood.

Still looks like a pin nailer is probably the best
solution for this particular situation. Unless
someone's got a better idea . . .

charlie b

Sat, Dec 3, 2005, 11:06am (EST-3) [email protected] (charlie=A0b)
who queries:
<snip> Anyone have a slick solution to the mitered corners glue up
"challenge"?

Challenge? Challenge? Ain't no challenge. First time I had to
glue up something like that I just made a jg. I've used it a number of
times. No probl.

Now I suppose you want a desciption. Sheesh. OK, two pieces. A
small chunk of scrap plywood. A chunk of toobafor. Cut, or plane a
rabbit (rabbet? rabid? whatever) on the bottom edge of the chunk of
2X4. Glue the rebbeted side to the plywood. Put one piece to be glued
on the plywood, clamp it down. It has to be close enough to the 2X4 to
properly aligned with the other piece to be glued, which will be clamped
to the 2X4 - after glue is applied. Don' need no brads. I'd put some
wax peper under, so any excess glue doesn't glue your side down. I'd
say it'd be easerr, and probably faster, then shooting it with brads.



JOAT
A rolling stone gathers no moss...unless it's a hobby he does on the
weekends.

On Sat, 03 Dec 2005 11:06:20 -0800, charlie b <[email protected]>
wrote:


>With that lots of mitered corners context - to the subject line of this
>post. When glueing up mitered corners, clamps often a)get in each
>other’s way,

Try these:

<http://www.coastaltool.com/cgi-bin/SoftCart.exe/clamps_vises/maestro/m1201_clamp-all.htm?L+coastest+kdwf9032ffc272c2+1133752096>

A buddy loaned me a set and had beat me up to get them back. <G>

Barry

Fly-by-Night CC <[email protected]> wrote:

> In article <[email protected]>,
> charlie b <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>> Anyone have a slick solution to the mitered corners glue up
>> “challenge”?
>
> I'd treat this just like a picture frame. Lay the pieces flat on a
> tabletop, inside face down, all in a row with the top edges away from
> you. Slide each top edge to a straight edge (I often use my locked
> down table saw fence) and butt the mitered corners together. Stretch
> masking tape across the flattened joints every couple inches and rub
> down to make sure it's secure - do this for all the joints. Carefully
> flip the taped assembly over and spread glue on all the now exposed
> and paired mitered surfaces. Roll up the assembly to press the joints
> together and then place tape across the last joint to hold it. Check
> for square - tweak if necessary. No clamps required, no brads
> required.
>
> I use this method for all my frames, jewelry type boxes and segmented
> turning. Though I've not glued-up a mitered assembly much larger than
> maybe 6" tall, it should work equally fine for taller glue-ups.

Latest issue of FWW 'Tools & Shops' does this (p82-83) for a 22"x16"
box. They use packing tape - the stuff with the fiber running lengthwise
- and suggest doing two panels, then taping the two components together
to form the box.

In article <[email protected]>,
charlie b <[email protected]> wrote:

> Anyone have a slick solution to the mitered corners glue up “challenge”?

I'd treat this just like a picture frame. Lay the pieces flat on a
tabletop, inside face down, all in a row with the top edges away from
you. Slide each top edge to a straight edge (I often use my locked down
table saw fence) and butt the mitered corners together. Stretch masking
tape across the flattened joints every couple inches and rub down to
make sure it's secure - do this for all the joints. Carefully flip the
taped assembly over and spread glue on all the now exposed and paired
mitered surfaces. Roll up the assembly to press the joints together and
then place tape across the last joint to hold it. Check for square -
tweak if necessary. No clamps required, no brads required.

I use this method for all my frames, jewelry type boxes and segmented
turning. Though I've not glued-up a mitered assembly much larger than
maybe 6" tall, it should work equally fine for taller glue-ups.
--
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The Fly-by-Night Copper Company
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