On Oct 14, 2:22=A0am, "Lobby Dosser" <[email protected]> wrote:
> "Robatoy" <[email protected]> wrote in message
>
> news:dfc6b8e7-548e-4435-aa16-9941ccbb333e@k10g2000yqa.googlegroups.com...
>
> > The first guy to go DOWN to assist in loading the trapped miners.
> > He is a hero in my eyes.
> > Balls of steel, yessir.
>
> Yowza!
>
> I'm not too keen on heights or small enclosed spaces. They'd have to stra=
p
> me in for a ride down a 2,000 foot Tube!
They'd have to sedate me somehow, but then again, I wouldn't have been
down there in the first place. Submarines, mines and army tanks are
not my idea of normal places to be. I have visited a salt mine and I
can 'do' it, but I don't 'like' it...not even a little bit. There's
just something about air and sky that I like better.
On Oct 14, 1:10=A0am, "Steve B" <[email protected]> wrote:
> "Lee Michaels" <leemichaels*nadaspam* at comcast dot net> wrote in messag=
enews:[email protected]...
>
>
>
>
>
> > "Robatoy" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> >news:[email protected]...
> >> On Oct 13, 6:35 pm, "Steve B" <[email protected]> wrote:
> >>> "willshak" <[email protected]> wrote in message
>
> >>>news:[email protected]...
>
> >>> > Robatoy wrote the following:
> >>> >> The first guy to go DOWN to assist in loading the trapped miners.
> >>> >> He is a hero in my eyes.
> >>> >> Balls of steel, yessir.
>
> >>> > As of this time (EDT) the 23rd miner is out. 10 to go.
>
> >>> > --
>
> >>> > Bill
>
> >>> I wonder two things:
>
> >>> One, is there any dependable place to donate to these miners where th=
e
> >>> money
> >>> would go to them? =A0I was reading about squabbles breaking out as to=
who
> >>> was
> >>> a "relative" when the subject of lawsuits came up and who might be
> >>> entitled
> >>> to some compensation. =A0Plain ugly was what it was.
>
> >>> Second, will any of these men ever go down into a mine again?
>
> >> That would depend on the lawyer/agent they hire.
>
> > They already hired one before they even came out of the ground.
>
> > Any money that comes in will be split evenly among all 33 miners.
>
> Except for the vig the lawyer gets, that sounds like a fair arrangement.
>
> Now, to another aspect. =A0Damn, they looked good for guys who had been d=
own
> there for a long time. =A0They must have been sending them down shavers, =
clean
> clothes, and hair clippers, because when they hit the surface they looked
> nothing like I thought they would after sleeping on the dirt for that lon=
g,
> and no BR facilities. =A0They looked like they were SHOWING up for work. =
=A0The
> ones I saw were very composed, considering their ordeal. =A0I must give i=
t to
> the press for being more reserved than normal, although in those small
> countries they don't put up with the crap we do here. =A0Some of the men =
had
> some absolutely HOTTIE women waiting for them. =A0There's going to be som=
e
> partying tonight!
>
> What a miracle. =A0There must be a lot of joy there right now. =A0I'm hap=
py for
> them.
The miners were saying that they'd been working out every day while
trapped, and they were in better shape physically then when it
collapsed.
Small point of order - any time you mention hot women on a newsgroup,
you're supposed to post a link to some pictures. Other than that,
good post! ;)
R
>
>> Salt domes usually use the room-and-pillar technique and contain immense
>> open spaces - rooms typically 60x60x50 ft. A typical Gulf Coast salt dome
>> contains six cubic miles of salt and there are over 2000 known salt domes
>> in
>> the area.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lake_Peigneur
Verrrrrrrrrrryyyyyyyyy Interesting!
Musta been a hell of a sight.
Had to be major scary for anyone close.
The list of the equipment that went down the drain is unbelievable. Do you
know how big a drilling rig and eleven barges are. Gone as in disappeared.
I wonder if it was, "Oh, Shit!" or "Oops!"
Steve
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"Lee Michaels" <leemichaels*nadaspam* at comcast dot net> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
>
>
> "Robatoy" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> news:[email protected]...
>> On Oct 13, 6:35 pm, "Steve B" <[email protected]> wrote:
>>> "willshak" <[email protected]> wrote in message
>>>
>>> news:[email protected]...
>>>
>>> > Robatoy wrote the following:
>>> >> The first guy to go DOWN to assist in loading the trapped miners.
>>> >> He is a hero in my eyes.
>>> >> Balls of steel, yessir.
>>>
>>> > As of this time (EDT) the 23rd miner is out. 10 to go.
>>>
>>> > --
>>>
>>> > Bill
>>>
>>> I wonder two things:
>>>
>>> One, is there any dependable place to donate to these miners where the
>>> money
>>> would go to them? I was reading about squabbles breaking out as to who
>>> was
>>> a "relative" when the subject of lawsuits came up and who might be
>>> entitled
>>> to some compensation. Plain ugly was what it was.
>>>
>>> Second, will any of these men ever go down into a mine again?
>>>
>> That would depend on the lawyer/agent they hire.
>>
> They already hired one before they even came out of the ground.
>
> Any money that comes in will be split evenly among all 33 miners.
Except for the vig the lawyer gets, that sounds like a fair arrangement.
Now, to another aspect. Damn, they looked good for guys who had been down
there for a long time. They must have been sending them down shavers, clean
clothes, and hair clippers, because when they hit the surface they looked
nothing like I thought they would after sleeping on the dirt for that long,
and no BR facilities. They looked like they were SHOWING up for work. The
ones I saw were very composed, considering their ordeal. I must give it to
the press for being more reserved than normal, although in those small
countries they don't put up with the crap we do here. Some of the men had
some absolutely HOTTIE women waiting for them. There's going to be some
partying tonight!
What a miracle. There must be a lot of joy there right now. I'm happy for
them.
Steve
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"Robatoy" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> On Oct 13, 6:35 pm, "Steve B" <[email protected]> wrote:
>> "willshak" <[email protected]> wrote in message
>>
>> news:[email protected]...
>>
>> > Robatoy wrote the following:
>> >> The first guy to go DOWN to assist in loading the trapped miners.
>> >> He is a hero in my eyes.
>> >> Balls of steel, yessir.
>>
>> > As of this time (EDT) the 23rd miner is out. 10 to go.
>>
>> > --
>>
>> > Bill
>>
>> I wonder two things:
>>
>> One, is there any dependable place to donate to these miners where the
>> money
>> would go to them? I was reading about squabbles breaking out as to who
>> was
>> a "relative" when the subject of lawsuits came up and who might be
>> entitled
>> to some compensation. Plain ugly was what it was.
>>
>> Second, will any of these men ever go down into a mine again?
>>
> That would depend on the lawyer/agent they hire.
>
They already hired one before they even came out of the ground.
Any money that comes in will be split evenly among all 33 miners.
"Lobby Dosser" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> "Robatoy" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> news:dfc6b8e7-548e-4435-aa16-9941ccbb333e@k10g2000yqa.googlegroups.com...
>> The first guy to go DOWN to assist in loading the trapped miners.
>> He is a hero in my eyes.
>> Balls of steel, yessir.
>
>
> Yowza!
>
> I'm not too keen on heights or small enclosed spaces. They'd have to strap
> me in for a ride down a 2,000 foot Tube!
I don't think that we need to worry about that. The capsule was only 21" in
diameter! Most of us are too "hefty" to fit into that tiny enclosed space.
Isn't that a relief?
"Steve B" <[email protected]> wrote
>
> Now, to another aspect. Damn, they looked good for guys who had been down
> there for a long time. They must have been sending them down shavers,
> clean clothes, and hair clippers, because when they hit the surface they
> looked nothing like I thought they would after sleeping on the dirt for
> that long, and no BR facilities. They looked like they were SHOWING up
> for work. The ones I saw were very composed, considering their ordeal. I
> must give it to the press for being more reserved than normal, although in
> those small countries they don't put up with the crap we do here. Some of
> the men had some absolutely HOTTIE women waiting for them. There's going
> to be some partying tonight!
>
Apparently Chilean miners are real studs. Or maybe just well paid. Since
many of them had mistresses. Some of them had multiple
mistresses\girlfriends, etc. This is in addition to the wife too!
Turns out to be a problem for the government. The mistresses are applying
for benefits along with the wife. No wonder those folks like soap operas!
Somebody wrote:
> Salt domes usually use the room-and-pillar technique and contain
> immense
> open spaces - rooms typically 60x60x50 ft.
---------------------------------
SFWIW
There is a salt mine in downtown Cleveland that extends out under Lake
Erie.
There are also several Euclid dump trucks down in the mine.
These are the same trucks used in above ground mining and have been
nicknamed "Eucs".
They definitely are not tiny.
Trucks were disassembled, lowered down, then reassembled.
Since the mine is dry and a constant 54F, trucks last a long time.
Lew
On 10/15/2010 7:19 PM, Lew Hodgett wrote:
> Somebody wrote:
>
>> Salt domes usually use the room-and-pillar technique and contain
>> immense
>> open spaces - rooms typically 60x60x50 ft.
> ---------------------------------
>
> SFWIW
>
> There is a salt mine in downtown Cleveland that extends out under Lake
> Erie.
>
> There are also several Euclid dump trucks down in the mine.
>
> These are the same trucks used in above ground mining and have been
> nicknamed "Eucs".
>
> They definitely are not tiny.
>
> Trucks were disassembled, lowered down, then reassembled.
>
> Since the mine is dry and a constant 54F, trucks last a long time.
>
> Lew
>
>
>
>
>
>
Aren't these the same salt mines where Carl Reines did some of his early
work on neutrinos? Work that eventually led to the Nobel Prize in
physics.
Jim
In article <[email protected]>,
Lobby Dosser <[email protected]> wrote:
> Yowza!
> I'm not too keen on heights or small enclosed spaces.
You'd be no good as a miner then!
It's also very dark in a mine, darker than you could ever imagine and
never silent, little noises, creaking and groaning.
> They'd have to strap me in for a ride down a 2,000 foot Tube!
I know nothing about mining in other countries but in the UK where "deep
mining" for coal was the norm, miners descended the pit shaft, up to about
a mile deep in some, in a "cage" about 6ft square and packed in like
sardines.
In article <[email protected]>,
Robatoy <[email protected]> wrote:
> 66" waist? Wowsa.
Nah, very broad shoulders, like Arnie but bigger :-)
Swingman wrote:
> On 10/14/2010 9:49 AM, HeyBub wrote:
>
>> Salt domes usually use the room-and-pillar technique and contain
>> immense open spaces - rooms typically 60x60x50 ft. A typical Gulf
>> Coast salt dome contains six cubic miles of salt and there are over
>> 2000 known salt domes in the area.
>
> My dad did his Master's thesis based on gravity meter surveys of the
> Hockley Salt Dome in Texas. Guess who got to ride the bucket down with
> the instruments at the age of ten years ...
>
> If you ever want to see a geographic representation of salt domes in
> this part of the world, take a look at any Gulf Coast area Tobin map.
>
> Since many of these salt domes acted as hydrocarbon traps, the oil
> wells drilled to exploit these traps down through years, and their
> cumulative locations displayed on the map, neatly delineate the
> outline of each salt dome.
>
> Every Tobin of the area shows these circular rings of well locations
> ... and you're right, there are literally hundreds, if not thousands,
> of them that fall in this category.
Heh! I, too, have been down in the Hockley mine. It's a hoot!
Interestingly, salt mines are not required to have ventilation shafts or
multiple access tunnels. None has ever been known to cave, blow up, or say
naughty words.
On 10/12/2010 9:23 PM, Robatoy wrote:
> The first guy to go DOWN to assist in loading the trapped miners.
> He is a hero in my eyes.
> Balls of steel, yessir.
In addition, Hats off to the drillers, and the expertise shown by their
company, who accomplished an astounding engineering feat in order to
make the rescue possible.
--
www.e-woodshop.net
Last update: 4/15/2010
KarlC@ (the obvious)
On 10/14/2010 9:49 AM, HeyBub wrote:
> Salt domes usually use the room-and-pillar technique and contain immense
> open spaces - rooms typically 60x60x50 ft. A typical Gulf Coast salt dome
> contains six cubic miles of salt and there are over 2000 known salt domes in
> the area.
My dad did his Master's thesis based on gravity meter surveys of the
Hockley Salt Dome in Texas. Guess who got to ride the bucket down with
the instruments at the age of ten years ...
If you ever want to see a geographic representation of salt domes in
this part of the world, take a look at any Gulf Coast area Tobin map.
Since many of these salt domes acted as hydrocarbon traps, the oil wells
drilled to exploit these traps down through years, and their cumulative
locations displayed on the map, neatly delineate the outline of each
salt dome.
Every Tobin of the area shows these circular rings of well locations ...
and you're right, there are literally hundreds, if not thousands, of
them that fall in this category.
--
www.e-woodshop.net
Last update: 4/15/2010
KarlC@ (the obvious)
On Oct 12, 8:23=A0pm, Robatoy <[email protected]> wrote:
> The first guy to go DOWN to assist in loading the trapped miners.
> He is a hero in my eyes.
> Balls of steel, yessir.
If you ask my wife ... the word heard all through the house, in MY
voice was ....
"Down ???"
Amen.
Large, and .... most likely brass.
On Oct 14, 10:49=A0am, "HeyBub" <[email protected]> wrote:
> Robatoy wrote:
> > On Oct 14, 2:22 am, "Lobby Dosser" <[email protected]> wrote:
> >> "Robatoy" <[email protected]> wrote in message
>
> >>news:dfc6b8e7-548e-4435-aa16-9941ccbb333e@k10g2000yqa.googlegroups.com.=
..
>
> >>> The first guy to go DOWN to assist in loading the trapped miners.
> >>> He is a hero in my eyes.
> >>> Balls of steel, yessir.
>
> >> Yowza!
>
> >> I'm not too keen on heights or small enclosed spaces. They'd have to
> >> strap me in for a ride down a 2,000 foot Tube!
>
> > They'd have to sedate me somehow, but then again, I wouldn't have been
> > down there in the first place. Submarines, mines and army tanks are
> > not my idea of normal places to be. I have visited a salt mine and I
> > can 'do' it, but I don't 'like' it...not even a little bit. There's
> > just something about air and sky that I like better.
>
> What kind of salt mine? Bedded salt is usually mined differently than tha=
t
> found in salt domes.
>
> Salt domes usually use the room-and-pillar technique and contain immense
> open spaces - rooms typically 60x60x50 ft. A typical Gulf Coast salt dome
> contains six cubic miles of salt and there are over 2000 known salt domes=
in
> the area.
>
> If you want to have some fun, check out the Lake Peigneur... er,... misha=
p
> in Louisiana. Short version:
>
> * Lake Peigneur was a shallow, 1,100 acre, fresh water lake.
> * In 1980, Texaco began drilling for oil from a drilling barge in the cen=
ter
> of the lake.
> * A couple of days after drilling began, miners in the salt mine directly
> below the drilling barge looked up to see a 36" drilling bit pierce the
> ceiling of their mine.
> * After a WTF moment, the 55 miners decided it was break time and left.
> * Meanwhile, the resulting whirlpool sucked eleven barges, the drilling
> platform, many trees, counteless fish plus probably a few alligators, and=
65
> acres of the surrounding countryside down the hole.
> * A canal that normally handled the flow from the lake to a nearby river
> began moving backward, creating the largest waterfall, ever, in Louisiana=
of
> 164 feet.
Not to be too nitpicky, but that was a 36 cm (14") bit
On Oct 14, 12:58=A0pm, Swingman <[email protected]> wrote:
> On 10/12/2010 9:23 PM, Robatoy wrote:
>
> > The first guy to go DOWN to assist in loading the trapped miners.
> > He is a hero in my eyes.
> > Balls of steel, yessir.
>
> In addition, Hats off to the drillers, and the expertise shown by their
> company, who accomplished an astounding engineering feat in order to
> make the rescue possible.
>
This Jeff Hart character is interesting. Used to drill wells, he's
developed a 'feel' for his machinery. Word has it he just 'knows'
what's going on at the end of his drill; feels it with the vibrations
in his feet.
The whole operation was fascinating.
On 10/14/2010 1:10 AM, Steve B wrote:
> "Lee Michaels"<leemichaels*nadaspam* at comcast dot net> wrote in message
>
> Now, to another aspect. Damn, they looked good for guys who had been down
> there for a long time. They must have been sending them down shavers, clean
> clothes, and hair clippers, because when they hit the surface they looked
> nothing like I thought they would after sleeping on the dirt for that long,
> and no BR facilities. They looked like they were SHOWING up for work. The
> ones I saw were very composed, considering their ordeal. I must give it to
> the press for being more reserved than normal, although in those small
> countries they don't put up with the crap we do here. Some of the men had
> some absolutely HOTTIE women waiting for them. There's going to be some
> partying tonight!
>
NYTimes reported that there was an underground waterfall that provided a
shower for the men. They were, in fact, provided soap, razors and
shampoo before emerging.
In addition, there were over 1/2 mile of tunnels where they exercised
regularly (running, etc.)
Apparently, the biggest physical change was the dramatic paling of their
skin.
~Mark.
Robatoy wrote the following:
> The first guy to go DOWN to assist in loading the trapped miners.
> He is a hero in my eyes.
> Balls of steel, yessir.
>
As of this time (EDT) the 23rd miner is out. 10 to go.
--
Bill
In Hamptonburgh, NY
In the original Orange County. Est. 1683
To email, remove the double zeroes after @
"Robatoy" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:dfc6b8e7-548e-4435-aa16-9941ccbb333e@k10g2000yqa.googlegroups.com...
> The first guy to go DOWN to assist in loading the trapped miners.
> He is a hero in my eyes.
> Balls of steel, yessir.
That was my thought when they first said that they were sending someone
down.
In article <[email protected]>,
[email protected] says...
>
> Robatoy wrote:
> > On Oct 14, 2:22 am, "Lobby Dosser" <[email protected]> wrote:
> >> "Robatoy" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> >>
> >> news:dfc6b8e7-548e-4435-aa16-9941ccbb333e@k10g2000yqa.googlegroups.com...
> >>
> >>> The first guy to go DOWN to assist in loading the trapped miners.
> >>> He is a hero in my eyes.
> >>> Balls of steel, yessir.
> >>
> >> Yowza!
> >>
> >> I'm not too keen on heights or small enclosed spaces. They'd have to
> >> strap me in for a ride down a 2,000 foot Tube!
> >
> > They'd have to sedate me somehow, but then again, I wouldn't have been
> > down there in the first place. Submarines, mines and army tanks are
> > not my idea of normal places to be. I have visited a salt mine and I
> > can 'do' it, but I don't 'like' it...not even a little bit. There's
> > just something about air and sky that I like better.
>
> What kind of salt mine? Bedded salt is usually mined differently than that
> found in salt domes.
>
> Salt domes usually use the room-and-pillar technique and contain immense
> open spaces - rooms typically 60x60x50 ft. A typical Gulf Coast salt dome
> contains six cubic miles of salt and there are over 2000 known salt domes in
> the area.
>
> If you want to have some fun, check out the Lake Peigneur... er,... mishap
> in Louisiana. Short version:
>
> * Lake Peigneur was a shallow, 1,100 acre, fresh water lake.
> * In 1980, Texaco began drilling for oil from a drilling barge in the center
> of the lake.
> * A couple of days after drilling began, miners in the salt mine directly
> below the drilling barge looked up to see a 36" drilling bit pierce the
> ceiling of their mine.
> * After a WTF moment, the 55 miners decided it was break time and left.
> * Meanwhile, the resulting whirlpool sucked eleven barges, the drilling
> platform, many trees, counteless fish plus probably a few alligators, and 65
> acres of the surrounding countryside down the hole.
> * A canal that normally handled the flow from the lake to a nearby river
> began moving backward, creating the largest waterfall, ever, in Louisiana of
> 164 feet.
Geez, hasn't Texaco heard of "call before you dig"?
On Oct 14, 10:49=A0am, "HeyBub" <[email protected]> wrote:
> Robatoy wrote:
> > On Oct 14, 2:22 am, "Lobby Dosser" <[email protected]> wrote:
> >> "Robatoy" <[email protected]> wrote in message
>
> >>news:dfc6b8e7-548e-4435-aa16-9941ccbb333e@k10g2000yqa.googlegroups.com.=
..
>
> >>> The first guy to go DOWN to assist in loading the trapped miners.
> >>> He is a hero in my eyes.
> >>> Balls of steel, yessir.
>
> >> Yowza!
>
> >> I'm not too keen on heights or small enclosed spaces. They'd have to
> >> strap me in for a ride down a 2,000 foot Tube!
>
> > They'd have to sedate me somehow, but then again, I wouldn't have been
> > down there in the first place. Submarines, mines and army tanks are
> > not my idea of normal places to be. I have visited a salt mine and I
> > can 'do' it, but I don't 'like' it...not even a little bit. There's
> > just something about air and sky that I like better.
>
> What kind of salt mine? Bedded salt is usually mined differently than tha=
t
> found in salt domes.
>
> Salt domes usually use the room-and-pillar technique and contain immense
> open spaces - rooms typically 60x60x50 ft. A typical Gulf Coast salt dome
> contains six cubic miles of salt and there are over 2000 known salt domes=
in
> the area.
>
> If you want to have some fun, check out the Lake Peigneur... er,... misha=
p
> in Louisiana. Short version:
>
> * Lake Peigneur was a shallow, 1,100 acre, fresh water lake.
> * In 1980, Texaco began drilling for oil from a drilling barge in the cen=
ter
> of the lake.
> * A couple of days after drilling began, miners in the salt mine directly
> below the drilling barge looked up to see a 36" drilling bit pierce the
> ceiling of their mine.
> * After a WTF moment, the 55 miners decided it was break time and left.
> * Meanwhile, the resulting whirlpool sucked eleven barges, the drilling
> platform, many trees, counteless fish plus probably a few alligators, and=
65
> acres of the surrounding countryside down the hole.
> * A canal that normally handled the flow from the lake to a nearby river
> began moving backward, creating the largest waterfall, ever, in Louisiana=
of
> 164 feet.
Really interesting.
If that were to happen here, there might be a bit bigger problem as
we're talking about Lake Huron draining into the largest salt mine in
the world.:
http://davechidley.ca/wp-content/uploads/2009/03/sifto900w.jpg
Sifto Canada, Inc operates a salt mine underneath Goderich's harbour.
[7] The mine extends 5 kilometers under Lake Huron and is the largest
salt mine in the world.
Fun thought as there's a 4000 meg nuke just up the coast a way which
could temporarily run out of cooling water...
On Oct 13, 6:35=A0pm, "Steve B" <[email protected]> wrote:
> "willshak" <[email protected]> wrote in message
>
> news:[email protected]...
>
> > Robatoy wrote the following:
> >> The first guy to go DOWN to assist in loading the trapped miners.
> >> He is a hero in my eyes.
> >> Balls of steel, yessir.
>
> > As of this time (EDT) the 23rd miner is out. 10 to go.
>
> > --
>
> > Bill
>
> I wonder two things:
>
> One, is there any dependable place to donate to these miners where the mo=
ney
> would go to them? =A0I was reading about squabbles breaking out as to who=
was
> a "relative" when the subject of lawsuits came up and who might be entitl=
ed
> to some compensation. =A0Plain ugly was what it was.
>
> Second, will any of these men ever go down into a mine again?
>
That would depend on the lawyer/agent they hire.
"Lee Michaels" <leemichaels*nadaspam* at comcast dot net> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
>
>
> "Lobby Dosser" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> news:[email protected]...
>> "Robatoy" <[email protected]> wrote in message
>> news:dfc6b8e7-548e-4435-aa16-9941ccbb333e@k10g2000yqa.googlegroups.com...
>>> The first guy to go DOWN to assist in loading the trapped miners.
>>> He is a hero in my eyes.
>>> Balls of steel, yessir.
>>
>>
>> Yowza!
>>
>> I'm not too keen on heights or small enclosed spaces. They'd have to
>> strap me in for a ride down a 2,000 foot Tube!
> I don't think that we need to worry about that. The capsule was only 21"
> in diameter! Most of us are too "hefty" to fit into that tiny enclosed
> space.
>
> Isn't that a relief?
There's two seats behind the motor on a Bell 213, also called a Huey AH1.
They are wide enough for two "average" men. The door will knock you in the
knees if you aren't watching when they shut it. An hour in one of those two
seats with a "hefty" fellow passenger is challenging.
Steve
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"Robatoy" <[email protected]> wrote in message
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> The first guy to go DOWN to assist in loading the trapped miners.
> He is a hero in my eyes.
> Balls of steel, yessir.
Yowza!
I'm not too keen on heights or small enclosed spaces. They'd have to strap
me in for a ride down a 2,000 foot Tube!
In article <a8301865-dc1d-4ae4-84cd-dbdf5ada4c00@c32g2000vbq.googlegroups.com>,
Robatoy <[email protected]> wrote:
>On Oct 14, 10:49 am, "HeyBub" <[email protected]> wrote:
>> Robatoy wrote:
<...snipped...>
>Really interesting.
>If that were to happen here, there might be a bit bigger problem as
>we're talking about Lake Huron draining into the largest salt mine in
>the world.:
>http://davechidley.ca/wp-content/uploads/2009/03/sifto900w.jpg
>
>Sifto Canada, Inc operates a salt mine underneath Goderich's harbour.
>[7] The mine extends 5 kilometers under Lake Huron and is the largest
>salt mine in the world.
>
>Fun thought as there's a 4000 meg nuke just up the coast a way which
>could temporarily run out of cooling water...
For a similar disaster, google or wikipedia the Knox mine disaster of 1959
in Pennsylvania. Some billions of gallons of water from the Susquehanna river
flooded a mine when it was allowed too close to the river bed. 12 deaths.
It pretty much ended mining in the northern end of the anthracite region
as all the old mines interconnected at some point or another. There was
even a (rare) criminal investigation afterwards. If you google enough
you can even find an mpg of old film footage showing the whirlpool where
the river was draining into the hole.
--
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with the average voter. (Winston Churchill)
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"HeyBub" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> Robatoy wrote:
>> On Oct 14, 2:22 am, "Lobby Dosser" <[email protected]> wrote:
>>> "Robatoy" <[email protected]> wrote in message
>>>
>>> news:dfc6b8e7-548e-4435-aa16-9941ccbb333e@k10g2000yqa.googlegroups.com...
>>>
>>>> The first guy to go DOWN to assist in loading the trapped miners.
>>>> He is a hero in my eyes.
>>>> Balls of steel, yessir.
>>>
>>> Yowza!
>>>
>>> I'm not too keen on heights or small enclosed spaces. They'd have to
>>> strap me in for a ride down a 2,000 foot Tube!
>>
>> They'd have to sedate me somehow, but then again, I wouldn't have been
>> down there in the first place. Submarines, mines and army tanks are
>> not my idea of normal places to be. I have visited a salt mine and I
>> can 'do' it, but I don't 'like' it...not even a little bit. There's
>> just something about air and sky that I like better.
>
> What kind of salt mine? Bedded salt is usually mined differently than that
> found in salt domes.
>
> Salt domes usually use the room-and-pillar technique and contain immense
> open spaces - rooms typically 60x60x50 ft. A typical Gulf Coast salt dome
> contains six cubic miles of salt and there are over 2000 known salt domes
> in the area.
>
> If you want to have some fun, check out the Lake Peigneur... er,... mishap
> in Louisiana. Short version:
>
> * Lake Peigneur was a shallow, 1,100 acre, fresh water lake.
> * In 1980, Texaco began drilling for oil from a drilling barge in the
> center of the lake.
> * A couple of days after drilling began, miners in the salt mine directly
> below the drilling barge looked up to see a 36" drilling bit pierce the
> ceiling of their mine.
> * After a WTF moment, the 55 miners decided it was break time and left.
LOL!! Best part of the story!!
> * Meanwhile, the resulting whirlpool sucked eleven barges, the drilling
> platform, many trees, counteless fish plus probably a few alligators, and
> 65 acres of the surrounding countryside down the hole.
> * A canal that normally handled the flow from the lake to a nearby river
> began moving backward, creating the largest waterfall, ever, in Louisiana
> of 164 feet.
"Robatoy" <[email protected]> wrote in message
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On Oct 14, 10:49 am, "HeyBub" <[email protected]> wrote:
> Robatoy wrote:
> > On Oct 14, 2:22 am, "Lobby Dosser" <[email protected]> wrote:
> >> "Robatoy" <[email protected]> wrote in message
>
> >>news:dfc6b8e7-548e-4435-aa16-9941ccbb333e@k10g2000yqa.googlegroups.com...
>
> >>> The first guy to go DOWN to assist in loading the trapped miners.
> >>> He is a hero in my eyes.
> >>> Balls of steel, yessir.
>
> >> Yowza!
>
> >> I'm not too keen on heights or small enclosed spaces. They'd have to
> >> strap me in for a ride down a 2,000 foot Tube!
>
> > They'd have to sedate me somehow, but then again, I wouldn't have been
> > down there in the first place. Submarines, mines and army tanks are
> > not my idea of normal places to be. I have visited a salt mine and I
> > can 'do' it, but I don't 'like' it...not even a little bit. There's
> > just something about air and sky that I like better.
>
> What kind of salt mine? Bedded salt is usually mined differently than that
> found in salt domes.
>
> Salt domes usually use the room-and-pillar technique and contain immense
> open spaces - rooms typically 60x60x50 ft. A typical Gulf Coast salt dome
> contains six cubic miles of salt and there are over 2000 known salt domes
> in
> the area.
>
> If you want to have some fun, check out the Lake Peigneur... er,... mishap
> in Louisiana. Short version:
>
> * Lake Peigneur was a shallow, 1,100 acre, fresh water lake.
> * In 1980, Texaco began drilling for oil from a drilling barge in the
> center
> of the lake.
> * A couple of days after drilling began, miners in the salt mine directly
> below the drilling barge looked up to see a 36" drilling bit pierce the
> ceiling of their mine.
> * After a WTF moment, the 55 miners decided it was break time and left.
> * Meanwhile, the resulting whirlpool sucked eleven barges, the drilling
> platform, many trees, counteless fish plus probably a few alligators, and
> 65
> acres of the surrounding countryside down the hole.
> * A canal that normally handled the flow from the lake to a nearby river
> began moving backward, creating the largest waterfall, ever, in Louisiana
> of
> 164 feet.
Really interesting.
If that were to happen here, there might be a bit bigger problem as
we're talking about Lake Huron draining into the largest salt mine in
the world.:
http://davechidley.ca/wp-content/uploads/2009/03/sifto900w.jpg
Sifto Canada, Inc operates a salt mine underneath Goderich's harbour.
[7] The mine extends 5 kilometers under Lake Huron and is the largest
salt mine in the world.
Fun thought as there's a 4000 meg nuke just up the coast a way which
could temporarily run out of cooling water...
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Creating an "OH SHIT" moment.
"Steve B" <[email protected]> wrote in message
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>
> "Lee Michaels" <leemichaels*nadaspam* at comcast dot net> wrote in message
> news:[email protected]...
>>
>>
>> "Lobby Dosser" <[email protected]> wrote in message
>> news:[email protected]...
>>> "Robatoy" <[email protected]> wrote in message
>>> news:dfc6b8e7-548e-4435-aa16-9941ccbb333e@k10g2000yqa.googlegroups.com...
>>>> The first guy to go DOWN to assist in loading the trapped miners.
>>>> He is a hero in my eyes.
>>>> Balls of steel, yessir.
>>>
>>>
>>> Yowza!
>>>
>>> I'm not too keen on heights or small enclosed spaces. They'd have to
>>> strap me in for a ride down a 2,000 foot Tube!
>> I don't think that we need to worry about that. The capsule was only 21"
>> in diameter! Most of us are too "hefty" to fit into that tiny enclosed
>> space.
>>
>> Isn't that a relief?
>
> There's two seats behind the motor on a Bell 213, also called a Huey AH1.
> They are wide enough for two "average" men. The door will knock you in
> the knees if you aren't watching when they shut it. An hour in one of
> those two seats with a "hefty" fellow passenger is challenging.
>
You know you're in trouble when your flight to Las Vegas calls for those
needing assistance and everyone except you gets up - and there is a Bucket
of seat belt extenders waiting for them ...
"willshak" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> Robatoy wrote the following:
>> The first guy to go DOWN to assist in loading the trapped miners.
>> He is a hero in my eyes.
>> Balls of steel, yessir.
>>
> As of this time (EDT) the 23rd miner is out. 10 to go.
>
> --
>
> Bill
I wonder two things:
One, is there any dependable place to donate to these miners where the money
would go to them? I was reading about squabbles breaking out as to who was
a "relative" when the subject of lawsuits came up and who might be entitled
to some compensation. Plain ugly was what it was.
Second, will any of these men ever go down into a mine again?
Steve
Heart surgery pending?
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In article <[email protected]>,
"Lee Michaels" <leemichaels*nadaspam* at comcast dot net> wrote:
> "Lobby Dosser" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> news:[email protected]...
> > "Robatoy" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> > news:dfc6b8e7-548e-4435-aa16-9941ccbb333e@k10g2000yqa.googlegroups.com...
> >> The first guy to go DOWN to assist in loading the trapped miners.
> >> He is a hero in my eyes.
> >> Balls of steel, yessir.
> >
> >
> > Yowza!
> >
> > I'm not too keen on heights or small enclosed spaces. They'd have to strap
> > me in for a ride down a 2,000 foot Tube!
> I don't think that we need to worry about that. The capsule was only 21" in
> diameter! Most of us are too "hefty" to fit into that tiny enclosed space.
>
> Isn't that a relief?
>
>
66" waist? Wowsa.
Robatoy wrote:
> On Oct 14, 2:22 am, "Lobby Dosser" <[email protected]> wrote:
>> "Robatoy" <[email protected]> wrote in message
>>
>> news:dfc6b8e7-548e-4435-aa16-9941ccbb333e@k10g2000yqa.googlegroups.com...
>>
>>> The first guy to go DOWN to assist in loading the trapped miners.
>>> He is a hero in my eyes.
>>> Balls of steel, yessir.
>>
>> Yowza!
>>
>> I'm not too keen on heights or small enclosed spaces. They'd have to
>> strap me in for a ride down a 2,000 foot Tube!
>
> They'd have to sedate me somehow, but then again, I wouldn't have been
> down there in the first place. Submarines, mines and army tanks are
> not my idea of normal places to be. I have visited a salt mine and I
> can 'do' it, but I don't 'like' it...not even a little bit. There's
> just something about air and sky that I like better.
What kind of salt mine? Bedded salt is usually mined differently than that
found in salt domes.
Salt domes usually use the room-and-pillar technique and contain immense
open spaces - rooms typically 60x60x50 ft. A typical Gulf Coast salt dome
contains six cubic miles of salt and there are over 2000 known salt domes in
the area.
If you want to have some fun, check out the Lake Peigneur... er,... mishap
in Louisiana. Short version:
* Lake Peigneur was a shallow, 1,100 acre, fresh water lake.
* In 1980, Texaco began drilling for oil from a drilling barge in the center
of the lake.
* A couple of days after drilling began, miners in the salt mine directly
below the drilling barge looked up to see a 36" drilling bit pierce the
ceiling of their mine.
* After a WTF moment, the 55 miners decided it was break time and left.
* Meanwhile, the resulting whirlpool sucked eleven barges, the drilling
platform, many trees, counteless fish plus probably a few alligators, and 65
acres of the surrounding countryside down the hole.
* A canal that normally handled the flow from the lake to a nearby river
began moving backward, creating the largest waterfall, ever, in Louisiana of
164 feet.