The presoaking time can vary on the dimension of the stone. Because I use
mine so often, I leave them in a covered plastic tub. And if you wish to do
that and have a shop area which might freeze, you can add some antifreeze to
the water. Then you are armed and ready at any time to sharpen.
Wayne
"Doug Kanter" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> Got a Japanese water stone as a gift a while back, and last night, while
> installing a deadbolt, my chisel said "If you'd sharpen me more than once
> in
> 10 years, this door would be finished by now". :-) The funny writing on
> the
> stone's box is of no help. How long do they need to be soaked before use?
>
>
>Got a Japanese water stone as a gift a while back, and last night, while
>installing a deadbolt, my chisel said "If you'd sharpen me more than once in
>10 years, this door would be finished by now". :-) The funny writing on the
>stone's box is of no help. How long do they need to be soaked before use?
Had mine - about 4 different grits with 3 mounted on wood - soaking for the
past 20 years in a covered plastic bucket to which I add a tablespoon of bleach
to keep any critters and algae down.
Whatever kind of wood ( teak ?) and glue was used, it has NOT hurt them a bit
and they are like new.
I change the water about once or twice a year.
It's not the kind of stuff you want to have a lot of skin contact with.
"Mike in Mystic" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> Does the anti-freeze do anything to damage the properties and/or strength
of
> the stone?
>
> I have delayed buying a tormek because my shop is unheated and I live in
CT
> where at least 3-4 months of the year I'll have temperatures below
freezing.
> I never really thought of using antifreeze because it seems that the
> chemical would do something to the stone, but maybe I'm completely out to
> lunch about this.
>
> How long have you been doing this (and I'm assuming you haven't had
problems
> or else you wouldn't still do it)?
>
> Mike
>
> "Wayne Cattanach" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> news:[email protected]...
> > The presoaking time can vary on the dimension of the stone. Because I
use
> > mine so often, I leave them in a covered plastic tub. And if you wish to
> do
> > that and have a shop area which might freeze, you can add some
antifreeze
> to
> > the water. Then you are armed and ready at any time to sharpen.
> >
> > Wayne
> >
> >
> > "Doug Kanter" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> > news:[email protected]...
> > > Got a Japanese water stone as a gift a while back, and last night,
while
> > > installing a deadbolt, my chisel said "If you'd sharpen me more than
> once
> > > in
> > > 10 years, this door would be finished by now". :-) The funny writing
on
> > > the
> > > stone's box is of no help. How long do they need to be soaked before
> use?
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
>
>
According to Leonard Lee in his book
The Complete Guide to Sharpening, soaking in antifreeze is a bad idea, as
some af 's can dissolve the resin bond.
"Mike in Mystic" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> Does the anti-freeze do anything to damage the properties and/or strength
of
> the stone?
>
> I have delayed buying a tormek because my shop is unheated and I live in
CT
> where at least 3-4 months of the year I'll have temperatures below
freezing.
> I never really thought of using antifreeze because it seems that the
> chemical would do something to the stone, but maybe I'm completely out to
> lunch about this.
>
> How long have you been doing this (and I'm assuming you haven't had
problems
> or else you wouldn't still do it)?
>
> Mike
>
> "Wayne Cattanach" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> news:[email protected]...
> > The presoaking time can vary on the dimension of the stone. Because I
use
> > mine so often, I leave them in a covered plastic tub. And if you wish to
> do
> > that and have a shop area which might freeze, you can add some
antifreeze
> to
> > the water. Then you are armed and ready at any time to sharpen.
> >
> > Wayne
> >
> >
> > "Doug Kanter" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> > news:[email protected]...
> > > Got a Japanese water stone as a gift a while back, and last night,
while
> > > installing a deadbolt, my chisel said "If you'd sharpen me more than
> once
> > > in
> > > 10 years, this door would be finished by now". :-) The funny writing
on
> > > the
> > > stone's box is of no help. How long do they need to be soaked before
> use?
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
>
>
"Andy Dingley" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> On Wed, 27 Oct 2004 14:02:04 GMT, "Doug Kanter"
> <[email protected]> wrote:
>
> >How long do they need to be soaked before use?
>
> Varies a lot depending on the stone, particularly the coarseness of
> it.
>
> A stone is "wet" when you can splash water on the top surface and it
> doesn't sink straight into it. For my hard stones (mainly the fine
> stones) this is a matter of a few splashes and letting them sit for a
> moment. For the 1000 King "brick", it's an hour's soaking in its
> pond.
>
> My stones up to 1500 grit are stored wet, in Tupperware boxes. I keep
> them inside the house to avoid frost, and a splash of TCP stops algae
> growing. Stones finer than this, or natural stones (because of their
> cost), are stored dry and soaked as needed.
>
> In use, a "stone" doesn't cut, the wet slurry on the top does the
> cutting. So keep it wet, but don't try to wash it clean. I just
> dribble a bit from my fingertips.
> --
> Smert' spamionam
This one says "1200" on the box. It's 8x3 by 2" thick. Into the water it
goes! I need to use it by the end of the day.
I use scarry sharp, so I don't have a lot of experirnce with stones. But
I've heard that water stones saturate faster if you stand them on a long
side and leave the other long side 1/16" proud of the water bath. This
allows a pathway for the air to flow out. If they're totally submerged the
water can trap the air.
"Doug Kanter" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> Got a Japanese water stone as a gift a while back, and last night, while
> installing a deadbolt, my chisel said "If you'd sharpen me more than once
> in
> 10 years, this door would be finished by now". :-) The funny writing on
> the
> stone's box is of no help. How long do they need to be soaked before use?
>
>
"Conase" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> >Got a Japanese water stone as a gift a while back, and last night, while
> >installing a deadbolt, my chisel said "If you'd sharpen me more than once
in
> >10 years, this door would be finished by now". :-) The funny writing on
the
> >stone's box is of no help. How long do they need to be soaked before use?
>
>
> Had mine - about 4 different grits with 3 mounted on wood - soaking for
the
> past 20 years in a covered plastic bucket to which I add a tablespoon of
bleach
> to keep any critters and algae down.
>
> Whatever kind of wood ( teak ?) and glue was used, it has NOT hurt them a
bit
> and they are like new.
>
> I change the water about once or twice a year.
OK....so I need to soak my stone for 20 years before I can use it? :-)
"patriarch [email protected]>" <<patriarch> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> "Doug Kanter" <[email protected]> wrote in
> news:[email protected]:
>
> <snip of good waterstone advice>
>
> > This one says "1200" on the box. It's 8x3 by 2" thick. Into the water it
> > goes! I need to use it by the end of the day.
>
> <tangent alert>
>
> I took a sharpening class at the local adult ed. One of the takeaways was
> a piece of plexi, with three or four grits of good wet/dry sandpaper
> affixed to it, plus a small leather strop.
>
> This now lives in the 'portable' toolbox, for edge touchup on a moment's
> notice.
>
> Dull chisels and planes are a misery, and a danger, to the operator and to
> the workpiece.
>
> Patriarch
Well, luckily, my chisels have been used very little, and stored in a way
that protects their edges. They're not dull, but at the same time, they've
lost that nice, almost-scary-sharp edge.
"Doug Kanter" <[email protected]> wrote in
news:[email protected]:
<snip of good waterstone advice>
> This one says "1200" on the box. It's 8x3 by 2" thick. Into the water it
> goes! I need to use it by the end of the day.
<tangent alert>
I took a sharpening class at the local adult ed. One of the takeaways was
a piece of plexi, with three or four grits of good wet/dry sandpaper
affixed to it, plus a small leather strop.
This now lives in the 'portable' toolbox, for edge touchup on a moment's
notice.
Dull chisels and planes are a misery, and a danger, to the operator and to
the workpiece.
Patriarch
Does the anti-freeze do anything to damage the properties and/or strength of
the stone?
I have delayed buying a tormek because my shop is unheated and I live in CT
where at least 3-4 months of the year I'll have temperatures below freezing.
I never really thought of using antifreeze because it seems that the
chemical would do something to the stone, but maybe I'm completely out to
lunch about this.
How long have you been doing this (and I'm assuming you haven't had problems
or else you wouldn't still do it)?
Mike
"Wayne Cattanach" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> The presoaking time can vary on the dimension of the stone. Because I use
> mine so often, I leave them in a covered plastic tub. And if you wish to
do
> that and have a shop area which might freeze, you can add some antifreeze
to
> the water. Then you are armed and ready at any time to sharpen.
>
> Wayne
>
>
> "Doug Kanter" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> news:[email protected]...
> > Got a Japanese water stone as a gift a while back, and last night, while
> > installing a deadbolt, my chisel said "If you'd sharpen me more than
once
> > in
> > 10 years, this door would be finished by now". :-) The funny writing on
> > the
> > stone's box is of no help. How long do they need to be soaked before
use?
> >
> >
>
>
On Wed, 27 Oct 2004 14:02:04 GMT, "Doug Kanter"
<[email protected]> wrote:
>Got a Japanese water stone as a gift a while back, and last night, while
>installing a deadbolt, my chisel said "If you'd sharpen me more than once in
>10 years, this door would be finished by now". :-) The funny writing on the
>stone's box is of no help. How long do they need to be soaked before use?
>
till the bubbles stop coming out.
"Doug Kanter" <[email protected]> wrote in message news:<[email protected]>...
> "Andy Dingley" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> news:[email protected]...
> > On Wed, 27 Oct 2004 14:02:04 GMT, "Doug Kanter"
> > <[email protected]> wrote:
> >
> > >How long do they need to be soaked before use?
> >
> > Varies a lot depending on the stone, particularly the coarseness of
> > it.
> >
> > A stone is "wet" when you can splash water on the top surface and it
> > doesn't sink straight into it. For my hard stones (mainly the fine
> > stones) this is a matter of a few splashes and letting them sit for a
> > moment. For the 1000 King "brick", it's an hour's soaking in its
> > pond.
> >
> > My stones up to 1500 grit are stored wet, in Tupperware boxes. I keep
> > them inside the house to avoid frost, and a splash of TCP stops algae
> > growing. Stones finer than this, or natural stones (because of their
> > cost), are stored dry and soaked as needed.
> >
> > In use, a "stone" doesn't cut, the wet slurry on the top does the
> > cutting. So keep it wet, but don't try to wash it clean. I just
> > dribble a bit from my fingertips.
> > --
> > Smert' spamionam
>
> This one says "1200" on the box. It's 8x3 by 2" thick. Into the water it
> goes! I need to use it by the end of the day.
It should fill in about 30 minutes or so. Avoid the anti-freeze though,
it can affect the binder.
"brian roth" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> "Doug Kanter" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:<[email protected]>...
> > "Andy Dingley" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> > news:[email protected]...
> > > On Wed, 27 Oct 2004 14:02:04 GMT, "Doug Kanter"
> > > <[email protected]> wrote:
> > >
> > > >How long do they need to be soaked before use?
> > >
> > > Varies a lot depending on the stone, particularly the coarseness of
> > > it.
> > >
> > > A stone is "wet" when you can splash water on the top surface and it
> > > doesn't sink straight into it. For my hard stones (mainly the fine
> > > stones) this is a matter of a few splashes and letting them sit for a
> > > moment. For the 1000 King "brick", it's an hour's soaking in its
> > > pond.
> > >
> > > My stones up to 1500 grit are stored wet, in Tupperware boxes. I keep
> > > them inside the house to avoid frost, and a splash of TCP stops algae
> > > growing. Stones finer than this, or natural stones (because of their
> > > cost), are stored dry and soaked as needed.
> > >
> > > In use, a "stone" doesn't cut, the wet slurry on the top does the
> > > cutting. So keep it wet, but don't try to wash it clean. I just
> > > dribble a bit from my fingertips.
> > > --
> > > Smert' spamionam
> >
> > This one says "1200" on the box. It's 8x3 by 2" thick. Into the water it
> > goes! I need to use it by the end of the day.
>
>
> It should fill in about 30 minutes or so. Avoid the anti-freeze though,
> it can affect the binder.
Nope - no antifreeze. I usually keep my house above 32 degrees. The
houseplants like it that way. By the way, if you want to mystify your
friends, do what I did: Put the stone in a stainless steel mixing bowl to
soak. For about 20 minutes, the bubbles released must have created some sort
of vibration because the bowl was making a tone similar to what you get when
you run your wet finger around the edge of a lead crystal wine glass, but at
a much lower volume. I thought the bubbles themselves were doing it, but
when I grabbed the bowl, it stopped.
This could be the next big New Age thing, now that wearing crystals has
become a tired idea. :-)
Thanks to everyone for the tips provided. The stone worked beautifully,
making the chisels razor sharp. So well, in fact, that while juggling the
chisel between two hands to grab another tool, I sliced the f**k out of one
of my fingers. It was like a paper cut - didn't notice it until I spotted
the blood on the floor. But, that's OK. The striker plate in the door jamb
is installed like a work of art. :-)
On Wed, 27 Oct 2004 14:02:04 GMT, "Doug Kanter"
<[email protected]> wrote:
>How long do they need to be soaked before use?
Varies a lot depending on the stone, particularly the coarseness of
it.
A stone is "wet" when you can splash water on the top surface and it
doesn't sink straight into it. For my hard stones (mainly the fine
stones) this is a matter of a few splashes and letting them sit for a
moment. For the 1000 King "brick", it's an hour's soaking in its
pond.
My stones up to 1500 grit are stored wet, in Tupperware boxes. I keep
them inside the house to avoid frost, and a splash of TCP stops algae
growing. Stones finer than this, or natural stones (because of their
cost), are stored dry and soaked as needed.
In use, a "stone" doesn't cut, the wet slurry on the top does the
cutting. So keep it wet, but don't try to wash it clean. I just
dribble a bit from my fingertips.
--
Smert' spamionam
On Wed, 27 Oct 2004 14:02:04 GMT, "Doug Kanter"
<[email protected]> wrote:
>Got a Japanese water stone as a gift a while back, and last night, while
>installing a deadbolt, my chisel said "If you'd sharpen me more than once in
>10 years, this door would be finished by now". :-) The funny writing on the
>stone's box is of no help. How long do they need to be soaked before use?
>
A half hour should be enough. While in use, keep a drip on the stone
or use a spray bottle.