New Yankee Workshop

Thanks for the details, Walt. I note they advertise pdf files now.

Bob

On Wednesday, June 20, 2018 at 8:41:56 AM UTC-5, dpb wrote:
> On 6/20/2018 8:29 AM, Leon wrote:
> ...
>=20
> > Yeah but if you are actually selling your work and or trying to make a=
=20
> > living you would be using a nail gun too.=C2=A0 I do.=C2=A0 ;~)
> >=20
> > While not using a nail gun or similar short cut tool is nothing any of=
=20
> > us want to do, it saves time and time is.......money..
>=20
> Again, that depends on what one is building for what target market.=20
> Christian Becksvoort doesn't... :)
>=20
> https://www.chbecksvoort.com/
>=20
> --

Beautiful work. Would you say these side stands are made of cherry? They a=
re on my to do this summer. Thanks!

https://www.chbecksvoort.com/tables.html

On Wed, 20 Jun 2018 08:29:14 -0500, Leon <lcb11211@swbelldotnet>
wrote:

>On 6/19/2018 12:44 PM, dpb wrote:
>> On 6/18/2018 9:42 PM, Michael wrote:
>> ...
>>
>>> Questions about Season 1, Episode 1, the oak medicine cabinet:
>>> 1) Does he really need to nail on the face frame? Won't the glue hold
>>> it in place?
>>> 2) Does he need the dowels to hold his thru-tenon on the door? Won't
>>> the glue alone hold that joint place also?
>>>
>>> I would be inclined just to use glue, but maybe I'm wrong about that.
>>>
>>> Mike
>>
>> If had a nickel for every time he said "to hold in place while the glue
>> dries"!  :)
>>
>> I always figured a lot of his tool and production choices were driven by
>> the fact that he had tool sponsors who wanted (as in expected/demanded)
>> their tools be front and foremost to continue the financial backing...
>>
>> --
>>
>>
>>
>Yeah but if you are actually selling your work and or trying to make a
>living you would be using a nail gun too. I do. ;~)
>
>While not using a nail gun or similar short cut tool is nothing any of
>us want to do, it saves time and time is.......money..

This topic kills me, I was just reading an email about a young man,
son of a carpenter/WW who has 20 years experience he says and
Woodcraft Mag, I think it is, who posted his video's, an overall one
for the project, combined with a series of videos on the work broken
down to see exactly how he did it.

He purportedly uses all hand tools and is a skilled craftsman. I
watched the overall video just to see, and he was using all powered
hand tools. Not that I blame him, and his chair, while unusual looked
decent. I saw the flaws he made and covered up. :) Which everyone does
from time to time, but "Hand tooled Craftsmanship"?

He also has links to all the tools he used.

On Monday, June 18, 2018 at 6:54:42 PM UTC-5, Michael wrote:

> In all those 21 seasons, did Norm pull out a hand plane even once?

Did you have a point, or are you trolling?

Robert

Michael <[email protected]> wrote:

> On Monday, June 18, 2018 at 8:02:07 PM UTC-5, Spalted Walt wrote:
> > Michael <[email protected]> wrote:
> >
> > > On Monday, June 18, 2018 at 5:54:12 PM UTC-5, Spalted Walt wrote:
> > > > <https://www.thisoldhouse.com/new-yankee-workshop?season=1>
> > > >
> > > > "This Old House is partnering with New Yankee Workshop to make all 21 seasons of
> > > > Norm Abram's classic fine-woodworking program available again! Soon you'll be
> > > > able to stream every episode of NYW, with the option to purchase the plans for
> > > > each project Norm makes on the show."
> > >
> > > In all those 21 seasons, did Norm pull out a hand plane even once?
> >
> > https://www.youtube.com/embed/JzC3equapDs?autoplay=1&start=24&end=48
> >
> > HTH
>
> Questions about Season 1, Episode 1, the oak medicine cabinet:
> 1) Does he really need to nail on the face frame? Won't the glue hold it in place?

Norm has said it any number of times - he used the brads to hold
things together (sans clamps) long enough for the glue to set. That
is, bradss are a temporary solution to the final solution, the glue.

> 2) Does he need the dowels to hold his thru-tenon on the door? Won't the glue alone hold that joint place also?

No and yes - a pegged M&T is aesthetically pleasing insurance...
https://www.holtonframes.com/frames-framing/frame-catalog/corner-treatments/
https://www.woodmagazine.com/woodworking-tips/techniques/joinery/mortises-tenons
https://www.finewoodworking.com/2015/01/28/reinforce-mortise-and-tenon-joinery-with-square-pegs

> I would be inclined just to use glue, but maybe I'm wrong about that.
>
> Mike

On 6/20/2018 12:50 PM, [email protected] wrote:
> On Wed, 20 Jun 2018 10:08:49 -0700 (PDT), Michael
> <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>> On Wednesday, June 20, 2018 at 8:41:56 AM UTC-5, dpb wrote:
>>> On 6/20/2018 8:29 AM, Leon wrote:
>>> ...
>>>
>>>> Yeah but if you are actually selling your work and or trying to make a
>>>> living you would be using a nail gun too.  I do.  ;~)
>>>>
>>>> While not using a nail gun or similar short cut tool is nothing any of
>>>> us want to do, it saves time and time is.......money..
>>>
>>> Again, that depends on what one is building for what target market.
>>> Christian Becksvoort doesn't... :)
>>>
>>> https://www.chbecksvoort.com/
>>>
>>> --
>>
>> Beautiful work. Would you say these side stands are made of cherry? They are on my to do this summer. Thanks!
>>
>> https://www.chbecksvoort.com/tables.html
>
>
>
> Crikey ! Do people actually pay those prices ?
>
> I can maybe see such high prices on more time-consuming styles
> of furniture that have carving or inlay ... or exotic wood ..
> I don't really see it .. even doing hand-cut joinery.
> John T.
>

Well yes they do... I never had any problem selling my work and my
pieces went in the $2000~$5000 range. There are still some people that
realize this furniture from Ikea will probably not be passed down for
generations.

On Monday, June 18, 2018 at 7:26:15 PM UTC-5, shiggins1 wrote:
> On 6/18/2018 6:54 PM, Michael wrote:
> > On Monday, June 18, 2018 at 5:54:12 PM UTC-5, Spalted Walt wrote:
> >> <https://www.thisoldhouse.com/new-yankee-workshop?season=1>
> >>
> >> "This Old House is partnering with New Yankee Workshop to make all 21 seasons of
> >> Norm Abram's classic fine-woodworking program available again! Soon you'll be
> >> able to stream every episode of NYW, with the option to purchase the plans for
> >> each project Norm makes on the show."
> >
> > In all those 21 seasons, did Norm pull out a hand plane even once?
> >
> S1E2!
> In the same episode he used his RAS (do you 'spose it was one that was
> recalled?) with a wobble dado and his drill press which was actually a
> Shopsmith. Because of him I got a dado like his and used the heck out of
> it til I gave it to my son. He uses it today.
> I'm not saying you are Mike, but a lot of people poo-poo Norm's
> techniques. If you watch an episode from each season 1st to last you'll
> see his skills improve. He was like the rest of us that got our skills
> from Hard Knocks. He may have been just a notch better than the rest of
> us wood butchers when he started the show, but like most of us he got
> better (and so did his tools) with every project.
> I was always appreciative of his show. I wouldn't miss it. When my
> oldest son was a submariner, I'd send pirated VCR tapes to him so they
> could watch his show too. When I missed sending a couple tapes on time I
> got a phone call from the Captain explaining he was trying to prevent a
> mutiny "so send those tapes" as everyone on the boat looked forward to them.
> Steve

Steve,

I love Norm Abrams. I was inspired by his show to believe I could make things also and I learned incredible amounts from him. But he sure liked that belt sander.

Sincerely,

Brad Naylor

On Tuesday, June 19, 2018 at 7:18:26 PM UTC-5, dpb wrote:
=20
> As another says, he started as carpenter and the projects weren't=20
> intended as anything but what they were as beginning to intermediate=20
> handyman projects for the amateur.

I have to agree with both of you. I just watched a couple of his videos. S=
eason 1, episodes 1&2. You hit it on the head. It is a thirty year old vid=
eo and the techniques and designs reflect that. The shop was cleaned out an=
d not at all crowded. I got a real kick out of him using a radial arm saw, =
a drill press that I swear was a Shop Smith, and a Makita router with the b=
adge taken off.

He made a shaker style medicine cabinet and it was a walk down memory lane.=
He NAILED the rails and stiles on the face of the cabinet (the way I was =
taught!)and had no brad nailer. He nailed till flush and then counter sunk =
the nail with a set.

He screwed the back of the cabinet on with 1" sheetrock screws. Instead of =
using nice (or decorative) hinges, he used a full door length brass piano h=
inge. He even pinned the corner of the door joinery with a couple of dowel=
s, and ground them off with a belt sander. When finished, he rounded over =
the door edges with a hand held router, no table.

I have to say this, it sure made woodworking look "doable", and accessible.=
The finishing... well, he could have spent a day or so in the library to =
help that out.


> Many (and, I'd wager of those who did, a very low percentage were truly=
=20
> of markedly higher skill sets) wanted to judge as if he were building=20
> high-quality reproductions or the like.

Yeah, I see that all the time. I started out as a trade carpenter that did=
everything from setting concrete forms to site building cabinets. When I g=
o to an amateur's home, I find that the guys that have the MOST skills are =
the most humble and are almost shy about their efforts. I have seen a lot =
of good work from home shops over the years. But I have to bite my tongue =
around the braggarts that go on and on and on because they are so proud abo=
ut their minimal skills and very few rudimentary projects. =20

Worse are the guys that think because the have spent a fortune on tools, it=
has somehow brought their skill level up to match the amount of money they=
have in those tools. With $20K in tools and a dedicated shop, they think t=
hey are experts. Coincidentally, almost without exception the guys that ha=
ve the most money in tools and the most expensive tools seem to do very few=
projects. They sure like to talk about woodwork, cabinet building, and th=
e things they are "thinking" about doing.

I remember when Norm came to Woodcraft as a promotion a couple of different=
times. The guys that hung around him for a bit and then took him to dinne=
r said he was a really nice guy, soft spoken and polite. They did tell me =
on both trips the last thing he wanted to talk about was anything to do wit=
h woodworking.

Robert

On Tuesday, June 19, 2018 at 12:45:03 PM UTC-5, dpb wrote:
=20
> If had a nickel for every time he said "to hold in place while the glue=
=20
> dries"! :)

I never understood the hysterical screeching that surfaced here and other w=
oodworking venues when he used the brad gun. It's just a small trim nail..=
. to me it was a good idea. I never watched Norm until the last few years =
he was on, so I don't know if he represented it as some "super tool" or "ul=
timate woodworking solution" to draw the ire of the home woodworker. It wa=
s awful on Sawmill Creek.

I didn't understand it because by the time I found the opportunity to watch=
it on a Saturday afternoon he just pulled out the brad gun and pegged some=
thing as needed. Although we didn't have pneumatic tools back then on the j=
ob (only framing guns) we had been using "a" screw or "a" nail to hold thin=
gs in place while glues set for many years.

> I always figured a lot of his tool and production choices were driven by=
=20
> the fact that he had tool sponsors who wanted (as in expected/demanded)=
=20
> their tools be front and foremost to continue the financial backing...

No doubt.

The only thing I ever had a real problem with that Norm did was trying to w=
atch his finishing. As a professional finisher/refinisher, it was really p=
ainful sometimes to see the wrong materials used, materials applied incorre=
ctly, and incorrect prep procedures.

I thought a lot of his projects were pretty interesting, but as I said I di=
dn't seem them until the run of the show was about 75% or more complete.

Robert

On Monday, June 18, 2018 at 8:02:07 PM UTC-5, Spalted Walt wrote:
> Michael <[email protected]> wrote:
>
> > On Monday, June 18, 2018 at 5:54:12 PM UTC-5, Spalted Walt wrote:
> > > <https://www.thisoldhouse.com/new-yankee-workshop?season=1>
> > >
> > > "This Old House is partnering with New Yankee Workshop to make all 21 seasons of
> > > Norm Abram's classic fine-woodworking program available again! Soon you'll be
> > > able to stream every episode of NYW, with the option to purchase the plans for
> > > each project Norm makes on the show."
> >
> > In all those 21 seasons, did Norm pull out a hand plane even once?
>
> https://www.youtube.com/embed/JzC3equapDs?autoplay=1&start=24&end=48
>
> HTH

Questions about Season 1, Episode 1, the oak medicine cabinet:
1) Does he really need to nail on the face frame? Won't the glue hold it in place?
2) Does he need the dowels to hold his thru-tenon on the door? Won't the glue alone hold that joint place also?

I would be inclined just to use glue, but maybe I'm wrong about that.

Mike

On 6/20/2018 8:41 AM, dpb wrote:
> On 6/20/2018 8:29 AM, Leon wrote:
> ...
>
>> Yeah but if you are actually selling your work and or trying to make a
>> living you would be using a nail gun too.  I do.  ;~)
>>
>> While not using a nail gun or similar short cut tool is nothing any of
>> us want to do, it saves time and time is.......money..
>
> Again, that depends on what one is building for what target market.
> Christian Becksvoort doesn't... :)
>
> https://www.chbecksvoort.com/
>
> --
>
LOL. And as soon as I hit send I thought of a few too. I might throw
in the stickler that if making "spec" inventory furniture you might not
use the brand or pinner gun. When a customer is saying OK, now that we
have agreed on the design and price, when can you deliver...

I sell 90% of my work as ordered. I'll use my pinner or my brad nail
gun to attach a gusset or reinforcement under a drawer, until the glue
dries. ;~)

On Monday, June 18, 2018 at 9:42:10 PM UTC-5, Michael wrote:
>=20
> Questions about Season 1, Episode 1, the oak medicine cabinet:
> 2) Does he need the dowels to hold his thru-tenon on the door? Won't the =
glue alone hold that joint place also?
>=20

Long ago I built a red oak table. With rails and stiles going from each le=
g to the other. Tenons at the ends of these rails and stiles going into mo=
rtises in the legs. Started with glue only. Number of years later I notic=
ed the tenons were pulling out of the mortises a little bit. So I clamped =
everything back together and pounded some finishing nails into the tenons f=
rom the back side. Kept the tenons from ever pulling out of the mortises a=
gain. My experience tells me to be extra safe and secure and use the dowel=
s to insure the tenons stay in place.


> I would be inclined just to use glue, but maybe I'm wrong about that.
>=20
> Mike

On Mon, 18 Jun 2018 17:45:32 -0700 (PDT), Michael
<[email protected]> wrote:

>On Monday, June 18, 2018 at 7:26:15 PM UTC-5, shiggins1 wrote:
>> On 6/18/2018 6:54 PM, Michael wrote:
>> > On Monday, June 18, 2018 at 5:54:12 PM UTC-5, Spalted Walt wrote:
>> >> <https://www.thisoldhouse.com/new-yankee-workshop?season=1>
>> >>
>> >> "This Old House is partnering with New Yankee Workshop to make all 21 seasons of
>> >> Norm Abram's classic fine-woodworking program available again! Soon you'll be
>> >> able to stream every episode of NYW, with the option to purchase the plans for
>> >> each project Norm makes on the show."
>> >
>> > In all those 21 seasons, did Norm pull out a hand plane even once?
>> >
>> S1E2!
>> In the same episode he used his RAS (do you 'spose it was one that was
>> recalled?) with a wobble dado and his drill press which was actually a
>> Shopsmith. Because of him I got a dado like his and used the heck out of
>> it til I gave it to my son. He uses it today.
>> I'm not saying you are Mike, but a lot of people poo-poo Norm's
>> techniques. If you watch an episode from each season 1st to last you'll
>> see his skills improve. He was like the rest of us that got our skills
>> from Hard Knocks. He may have been just a notch better than the rest of
>> us wood butchers when he started the show, but like most of us he got
>> better (and so did his tools) with every project.
>> I was always appreciative of his show. I wouldn't miss it. When my
>> oldest son was a submariner, I'd send pirated VCR tapes to him so they
>> could watch his show too. When I missed sending a couple tapes on time I
>> got a phone call from the Captain explaining he was trying to prevent a
>> mutiny "so send those tapes" as everyone on the boat looked forward to them.
>> Steve
>
>Steve,
>
>I love Norm Abrams. I was inspired by his show to believe I could make things also and I learned incredible amounts from him. But he sure liked that belt sander.
>
>Sincerely,
>
>Brad Naylor

Like you, I learned A LOT by watching Norm. I'm a woodworker today
because I was inspired by him, so that I became interested in watching
similar programs plus YouTube videos. As a result, today I have a
hobby that allows me to make things that are both useful and
attractive. It's very rewarding.

I know what a pdf file is and how to download/capture/manipulate them. Thes=
e plans are *not* pdf files and cannot be saved or downloaded. They are ju=
st web pages presented on the web. They weren't even .jpg or any other rec=
ognizable image format. I was unable to capture or save them with any brow=
ser or tool in my arsenal and believe me I do have an arsenal on Windows, M=
ac, and IOS. So I did screen captures one page at a time, and attempted to =
clean them up in photoshop. Whoever scanned the originals did not even tak=
e the care to be sure the page was squared up on the scanner glass. These =
plans were not viewable on the website unless you purchased them.

Bob Davis <[email protected]> wrote:

> I know what a pdf file is and how to download/capture/manipulate
> them. These plans are *not* pdf files and cannot be saved or
> downloaded. They are just web pages presented on the web. They
> weren't even .jpg or any other recognizable image format.

Upon further investigation, I'd say you picked the worst time possible
to purchase plans from NYW.

Pryor to April 15 you would have _probably_ been mailed a paper copy:

<https://web.archive.org/web/20180324011506/https://www.newyankee.com/>
(like this set found on Google images)
<https://breenbushdesign.files.wordpress.com/2013/07/fs1-013.jpg>
<https://breenbushdesign.files.wordpress.com/2013/07/fs1-012.jpg>

When the revamped NYW website came online, they _apparently_
experimented with selling/delivering the plans in the method you
describe (judging by the pop-up).
May 26:
<https://web.archive.org/web/20180526065756/https://www.newyankee.com/>

My guess is, while trying to prevent piracy, they ended up pissing off
buyers. Which is why they now sell their plans in PDF format:
"You get all contents of original plans in a multiple-page PDF
document for easy viewing and printing."

Which is _not_ to say the quality of the scanned images within the
PDFs are any better... at least you'd have the option of printing,
viewing, possibly even modifying the drawings at your leisure.

> I was unable to capture or save them with any browser or tool in my
> arsenal and believe me I do have an arsenal on Windows, Mac, and IOS.
> So I did screen captures one page at a time, and attempted to clean
> them up in photoshop. Whoever scanned the originals did not even
> take the care to be sure the page was squared up on the scanner
> glass. These plans were not viewable on the website unless you
> purchased them.

On 6/19/2018 5:57 PM, [email protected] wrote:
> On Tuesday, June 19, 2018 at 12:45:03 PM UTC-5, dpb wrote:
>
>> If had a nickel for every time he said "to hold in place while the glue
>> dries"! :)
>
> I never understood the hysterical screeching that surfaced here and other woodworking venues when he used the brad gun. It's just a small trim nail... to me it was a good idea. I never watched Norm until the last few years he was on, so I don't know if he represented it as some "super tool" or "ultimate woodworking solution" to draw the ire of the home woodworker. It was awful on Sawmill Creek.

Agreed


>
> I didn't understand it because by the time I found the opportunity to watch it on a Saturday afternoon he just pulled out the brad gun and pegged something as needed. Although we didn't have pneumatic tools back then on the job (only framing guns) we had been using "a" screw or "a" nail to hold things in place while glues set for many years.
>
>> I always figured a lot of his tool and production choices were driven by
>> the fact that he had tool sponsors who wanted (as in expected/demanded)
>> their tools be front and foremost to continue the financial backing...
>
> No doubt.
>
> The only thing I ever had a real problem with that Norm did was trying to watch his finishing. As a professional finisher/refinisher, it was really painful sometimes to see the wrong materials used, materials applied incorrectly, and incorrect prep procedures.

It was the stains that were almost opaque over cherry or walnut that
made me cringe. He may as well have used poplar to begin with.




>
> I thought a lot of his projects were pretty interesting, but as I said I didn't seem them until the run of the show was about 75% or more complete.
>
> Robert
>
I was always interested in all of his projects up to finishing, he did a
great job on the vast majority.

On Monday, June 18, 2018 at 5:54:12 PM UTC-5, Spalted Walt wrote:
> <https://www.thisoldhouse.com/new-yankee-workshop?season=3D1>
>=20
> "This Old House is partnering with New Yankee Workshop to make all 21 sea=
sons of
> Norm Abram's classic fine-woodworking program available again! Soon you'l=
l be
> able to stream every episode of NYW, with the option to purchase the plan=
s for
> each project Norm makes on the show."

I purchased a set of plans from their website about 3 months ago. all they=
provide are online scanned copies of the plans which are not downloadable.=
You have to use a screen capture program or printscreeen to get them. On=
top of that, some of the scans were unreadable. I wrote customer service =
expecting nothing. A couple of weeks later I received an email apology alo=
ng with promise of a complete refund and also that they would try to correc=
t the poor scans. I got the refund and about a month later, I received an =
email that said they had corrected the problem. Not only was it corrected =
but they allowed me to have access to the plans again without charging me.

Whereas I still am put off by the means they are providing these plans, I m=
ust complement their customer service.

Bob

On Thursday, June 21, 2018 at 8:37:37 AM UTC-5, dpb wrote:
=20
> We generally have a view of the early colonial furniture makers as being=
=20
> "one-off" craftsmen turning out every piece lovingly ... reality was=20
> "not so much" :)

That falls in with the myth that the "old craftsmen" loved to use inaccurat=
e, manual tools that took longer to perform a task, were harder to master, =
and made the work days much longer.

At this point in my young life with about 45 years in the trades, I have ne=
ver, ever, once heard any professional say that they prefer to use manual t=
ools versus pneumatics or electric. Having the manual skills to perform a =
certain task are a tremendous advantage, but no one but the home educated c=
raftsman thinks it is better to cut dadoes with a dado plane, put brads in =
with a hammer and nail, drill holes with a brace and bit, and cut boards to=
length with a hand saw.

From custom cabinet makers, casement makers, on to house framers and form s=
etters, everyone is looking for a way to make a basic task repeatable. And=
faster, easier, with as small a learning curve as possible.

I read once that the required skills needed to complete furniture in the da=
ys of Phyfe, Hepplewhite, Chippendale, etc., at the level of craftsmanship =
needed made it impossible for ONE person to build a piece. There were draw=
er makers, top makers, joint makers, finishers, etc., all involved in just =
one piece. No one person made the famous stuff.

And rest assured, anytime an advancement was made in metallurgy creating hi=
gher quality tools that made a task go faster, I have no doubt that anyone =
"in the business" took quick advantage of it.

Robert

On Tuesday, June 19, 2018 at 5:57:42 PM UTC-5, [email protected] wrote:
>=20
> The only thing I ever had a real problem with that Norm did was trying to=
watch his finishing. As a professional finisher/refinisher, it was really=
painful sometimes to see the wrong materials used, materials applied incor=
rectly, and incorrect prep procedures.
>=20

Pretty sure Norm started out life as a carpenter, home builder. Not as a f=
ine furniture woodworker. So for him a paint brush or roller and paint or =
varnish was finishing. Maybe he also had experience with rubbing boiled li=
nseed oil on something too.

On Monday, June 18, 2018 at 5:54:12 PM UTC-5, Spalted Walt wrote:
> <https://www.thisoldhouse.com/new-yankee-workshop?season=3D1>
>=20
> "This Old House is partnering with New Yankee Workshop to make all 21 sea=
sons of
> Norm Abram's classic fine-woodworking program available again! Soon you'l=
l be
> able to stream every episode of NYW, with the option to purchase the plan=
s for
> each project Norm makes on the show."

21 Years!!!! Wow. I don't know if I saw the very first shows or not. But=
I'm sure I watched a few shows when I was just a kid. Unfortunately I am =
definitely not a kid anymore. This Old House and New Yankee Workshop and B=
ob Vila and Norm Abram promulgated billions or millions of dollars of futur=
e shows on cable TV. And some comedy network shows too.

On Tuesday, June 19, 2018 at 9:13:55 AM UTC-5, Spalted Walt wrote:
> Michael <[email protected]> wrote:
>
> > On Monday, June 18, 2018 at 8:02:07 PM UTC-5, Spalted Walt wrote:
> > > Michael <[email protected]> wrote:
> > >
> > > > On Monday, June 18, 2018 at 5:54:12 PM UTC-5, Spalted Walt wrote:
> > > > > <https://www.thisoldhouse.com/new-yankee-workshop?season=1>
> > > > >
> > > > > "This Old House is partnering with New Yankee Workshop to make all 21 seasons of
> > > > > Norm Abram's classic fine-woodworking program available again! Soon you'll be
> > > > > able to stream every episode of NYW, with the option to purchase the plans for
> > > > > each project Norm makes on the show."
> > > >
> > > > In all those 21 seasons, did Norm pull out a hand plane even once?
> > >
> > > https://www.youtube.com/embed/JzC3equapDs?autoplay=1&start=24&end=48
> > >
> > > HTH
> >
> > Questions about Season 1, Episode 1, the oak medicine cabinet:
> > 1) Does he really need to nail on the face frame? Won't the glue hold it in place?
>
> Norm has said it any number of times - he used the brads to hold
> things together (sans clamps) long enough for the glue to set. That
> is, bradss are a temporary solution to the final solution, the glue.
>
> > 2) Does he need the dowels to hold his thru-tenon on the door? Won't the glue alone hold that joint place also?
>
> No and yes - a pegged M&T is aesthetically pleasing insurance...
> https://www.holtonframes.com/frames-framing/frame-catalog/corner-treatments/
> https://www.woodmagazine.com/woodworking-tips/techniques/joinery/mortises-tenons
> https://www.finewoodworking.com/2015/01/28/reinforce-mortise-and-tenon-joinery-with-square-pegs


You've got me turned around on the dowels for the door. I prefer the look without the dowels, but I can see where others would prefer the dowel look and the additional strength.

About using brads/nails as temporary clamps, I would not like the look of the fill hole at the top of the face frame.

On 6/19/2018 12:44 PM, dpb wrote:
> On 6/18/2018 9:42 PM, Michael wrote:
> ...
>
>> Questions about Season 1, Episode 1, the oak medicine cabinet:
>> 1) Does he really need to nail on the face frame? Won't the glue hold
>> it in place?
>> 2) Does he need the dowels to hold his thru-tenon on the door? Won't
>> the glue alone hold that joint place also?
>>
>> I would be inclined just to use glue, but maybe I'm wrong about that.
>>
>> Mike
>
> If had a nickel for every time he said "to hold in place while the glue
> dries"!  :)
>
> I always figured a lot of his tool and production choices were driven by
> the fact that he had tool sponsors who wanted (as in expected/demanded)
> their tools be front and foremost to continue the financial backing...
>
> --
>
>
>
Yeah but if you are actually selling your work and or trying to make a
living you would be using a nail gun too. I do. ;~)

While not using a nail gun or similar short cut tool is nothing any of
us want to do, it saves time and time is.......money..

On Wednesday, June 20, 2018 at 1:53:37 PM UTC-5, [email protected] wrote=
:
> On Wed, 20 Jun 2018 13:26:22 -0500, dpb <[email protected]> wrote:
> >>>
> >>> https://www.chbecksvoort.com/tables.html
> >>=20
> >>=20
> >>=20
> >> Crikey ! Do people actually pay those prices ?
> >>=20
> >> I can maybe see such high prices on more time-consuming styles
> >> of furniture that have carving or inlay ... or exotic wood ..
> >> I don't really see it .. even doing hand-cut joinery.
> >> John T.
> >
>=20
>=20
> I don't doubt that it's very nice hand-made furniture ..
> I just don't move in the social circles where anyone knows anyone
> who would pay $ 6 grand US < almost $ 8 grand Canadian >
> for that "computer table " .. =20
> .. and then have to go shopping for a chair ! :-)
> If I were to ask around here - I'm guessing that the local
> craftsmen would maybe charge $ 1200 to build one -
> certainly $ 2000. would do it..
> John T.

Haven't you been paying attention to the news recently. Trump's secretarie=
s are ordering $30,000 dining tables and $75,000 office doors. So $6,000 f=
or a computer table would be scoffed at. Now I realize the politician's us=
e of "free" government money to pay for this furniture may affect things.

On Monday, June 18, 2018 at 5:54:12 PM UTC-5, Spalted Walt wrote:
> <https://www.thisoldhouse.com/new-yankee-workshop?season=1>
>
> "This Old House is partnering with New Yankee Workshop to make all 21 seasons of
> Norm Abram's classic fine-woodworking program available again! Soon you'll be
> able to stream every episode of NYW, with the option to purchase the plans for
> each project Norm makes on the show."

In all those 21 seasons, did Norm pull out a hand plane even once?

On 6/18/2018 6:54 PM, Michael wrote:
> On Monday, June 18, 2018 at 5:54:12 PM UTC-5, Spalted Walt wrote:
>> <https://www.thisoldhouse.com/new-yankee-workshop?season=1>
>>
>> "This Old House is partnering with New Yankee Workshop to make all 21 seasons of
>> Norm Abram's classic fine-woodworking program available again! Soon you'll be
>> able to stream every episode of NYW, with the option to purchase the plans for
>> each project Norm makes on the show."
>
> In all those 21 seasons, did Norm pull out a hand plane even once?
>
S1E2!
In the same episode he used his RAS (do you 'spose it was one that was
recalled?) with a wobble dado and his drill press which was actually a
Shopsmith. Because of him I got a dado like his and used the heck out of
it til I gave it to my son. He uses it today.
I'm not saying you are Mike, but a lot of people poo-poo Norm's
techniques. If you watch an episode from each season 1st to last you'll
see his skills improve. He was like the rest of us that got our skills
from Hard Knocks. He may have been just a notch better than the rest of
us wood butchers when he started the show, but like most of us he got
better (and so did his tools) with every project.
I was always appreciative of his show. I wouldn't miss it. When my
oldest son was a submariner, I'd send pirated VCR tapes to him so they
could watch his show too. When I missed sending a couple tapes on time I
got a phone call from the Captain explaining he was trying to prevent a
mutiny "so send those tapes" as everyone on the boat looked forward to them.
Steve

On 6/18/2018 7:54 PM, Michael wrote:
> On Monday, June 18, 2018 at 5:54:12 PM UTC-5, Spalted Walt wrote:
>> <https://www.thisoldhouse.com/new-yankee-workshop?season=1>
>>
>> "This Old House is partnering with New Yankee Workshop to make all 21 seasons of
>> Norm Abram's classic fine-woodworking program available again! Soon you'll be
>> able to stream every episode of NYW, with the option to purchase the plans for
>> each project Norm makes on the show."
>
> In all those 21 seasons, did Norm pull out a hand plane even once?
>
Yes

On Monday, June 18, 2018 at 6:54:12 PM UTC-4, Spalted Walt wrote:
> <https://www.thisoldhouse.com/new-yankee-workshop?season=1>
>
> "This Old House is partnering with New Yankee Workshop to make all 21 seasons of
> Norm Abram's classic fine-woodworking program available again! Soon you'll be
> able to stream every episode of NYW, with the option to purchase the plans for
> each project Norm makes on the show."

I'm so thrilled I'm going to go put some brads in while the glue dries. ;-)

Bob Davis <[email protected]> wrote:

> On Monday, June 18, 2018 at 5:54:12 PM UTC-5, Spalted Walt wrote:
> > <https://www.thisoldhouse.com/new-yankee-workshop?season=1>
> >
> > "This Old House is partnering with New Yankee Workshop to make all 21 seasons of
> > Norm Abram's classic fine-woodworking program available again! Soon you'll be
> > able to stream every episode of NYW, with the option to purchase the plans for
> > each project Norm makes on the show."
>
> I purchased a set of plans from their website about 3 months ago. all they provide are online scanned copies of the plans which are not downloadable. You have to use a screen capture program or printscreeen to get them. On top of that, some of the scans were unreadable. I wrote customer service expecting nothing. A couple of weeks later I received an email apology along with promise of a complete refund and also that they would try to correct the poor scans. I got the refund and about a month later, I received an email that said they had corrected the problem. Not only was it corrected but they allowed me to have access to the plans again without charging me.
>
> Whereas I still am put off by the means they are providing these plans, I must complement their customer service.
>
> Bob

They're called PDF files, Bob. Best saved/viewed with a dedicated
reader/viewer instead of a cheesy web browser.

"You get all contents of original plans in a multiple-page PDF
document for easy viewing and printing."
- examples:
https://www.newyankee.com/product/canopy-bed/
https://www.newyankee.com/product/the-mission-style-desk/

https://get.adobe.com/reader/

Spalted Walt <[email protected]> wrote:

> Michael <[email protected]> wrote:
>
> > On Monday, June 18, 2018 at 8:02:07 PM UTC-5, Spalted Walt wrote:
> > > Michael <[email protected]> wrote:
> > >
> > > > On Monday, June 18, 2018 at 5:54:12 PM UTC-5, Spalted Walt wrote:
> > > > > <https://www.thisoldhouse.com/new-yankee-workshop?season=1>
> > > > >
> > > > > "This Old House is partnering with New Yankee Workshop to make all 21 seasons of
> > > > > Norm Abram's classic fine-woodworking program available again! Soon you'll be
> > > > > able to stream every episode of NYW, with the option to purchase the plans for
> > > > > each project Norm makes on the show."
> > > >
> > > > In all those 21 seasons, did Norm pull out a hand plane even once?
> > >
> > > https://www.youtube.com/embed/JzC3equapDs?autoplay=1&start=24&end=48
> > >
> > > HTH
> >
> > Questions about Season 1, Episode 1, the oak medicine cabinet:
> > 1) Does he really need to nail on the face frame? Won't the glue hold it in place?
>
> Norm has said it any number of times - he used the brads to hold
> things together (sans clamps) long enough for the glue to set. That
> is, bradss are a temporary solution to the final solution, the glue.
>
> > 2) Does he need the dowels to hold his thru-tenon on the door? Won't the glue alone hold that joint place also?
>
> No and yes - a pegged M&T is aesthetically pleasing insurance...
> https://www.holtonframes.com/frames-framing/frame-catalog/corner-treatments/
> https://www.woodmagazine.com/woodworking-tips/techniques/joinery/mortises-tenons
> https://www.finewoodworking.com/2015/01/28/reinforce-mortise-and-tenon-joinery-with-square-pegs

That last link appears borked, should have been:
https://www.finewoodworking.com/2007/05/01/the-pegged-joint-exposed

[email protected] writes:
>On Wed, 20 Jun 2018 13:26:22 -0500, dpb <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>>On 6/20/2018 12:50 PM, [email protected] wrote:
>>> On Wed, 20 Jun 2018 10:08:49 -0700 (PDT), Michael
>>> <[email protected]> wrote:
>>>
>>>> On Wednesday, June 20, 2018 at 8:41:56 AM UTC-5, dpb wrote:
>>...
>>
>>>>> Again, that depends on what one is building for what target market.
>>>>> Christian Becksvoort doesn't... :)
>>>>>
>>>>> https://www.chbecksvoort.com/
>>>>>
>>>>> --
>>>>
>>>> Beautiful work. Would you say these side stands are made of cherry? They are on my to do this summer. Thanks!
>>>>
>>>> https://www.chbecksvoort.com/tables.html
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Crikey ! Do people actually pay those prices ?
>>>
>>> I can maybe see such high prices on more time-consuming styles
>>> of furniture that have carving or inlay ... or exotic wood ..
>>> I don't really see it .. even doing hand-cut joinery.
>>> John T.
>>
>>You have to see and feel one of his pieces to fully appreciate; pictures
>>don't do justice to the "fit and feel".
>>
>>And, say he has a busy year and builds 30 pieces at an average of $4,000
>>each -- that still only grosses $120,000/yr and in ME to heat the shop
>>over the winter will take half that! :)
>
>
> I don't doubt that it's very nice hand-made furniture ..
>I just don't move in the social circles where anyone knows anyone
>who would pay $ 6 grand US < almost $ 8 grand Canadian >
>for that "computer table " ..

There is a market for it, see for example:

https://www.thosmoser.com/

Pretty stuff, but pricey.

>>>>
>>>> Again, that depends on what one is building for what target market.
>>>> Christian Becksvoort doesn't... :)
>>>> https://www.chbecksvoort.com/
>>>>
>>>
>>> Beautiful work. Would you say these side stands are made of cherry? They are on my to do this summer. Thanks!
>>> https://www.chbecksvoort.com/tables.html
>>
>>
>>
>> Crikey ! Do people actually pay those prices ?
>> I can maybe see such high prices on more time-consuming styles
>> of furniture that have carving or inlay ... or exotic wood ..
>> I don't really see it .. even doing hand-cut joinery.
>> John T.
>>
>
>Well yes they do... I never had any problem selling my work and my
>pieces went in the $2000~$5000 range. There are still some people that
>realize this furniture from Ikea will probably not be passed down for
>generations.


I gotta call foul when you compare the people who buy
and appreciate solid wood, hand-made furniture -
.. with the people who go to Ikea.
Two different species, in my experience.
John T.

On 6/18/2018 9:42 PM, Michael wrote:
...

> Questions about Season 1, Episode 1, the oak medicine cabinet:
> 1) Does he really need to nail on the face frame? Won't the glue hold it in place?
> 2) Does he need the dowels to hold his thru-tenon on the door? Won't the glue alone hold that joint place also?
>
> I would be inclined just to use glue, but maybe I'm wrong about that.
>
> Mike

If had a nickel for every time he said "to hold in place while the glue
dries"! :)

I always figured a lot of his tool and production choices were driven by
the fact that he had tool sponsors who wanted (as in expected/demanded)
their tools be front and foremost to continue the financial backing...

--

On 6/19/2018 5:57 PM, [email protected] wrote:
> On Tuesday, June 19, 2018 at 12:45:03 PM UTC-5, dpb wrote:
>
>> If had a nickel for every time he said "to hold in place while the glue
>> dries"! :)
>
> I never understood the hysterical screeching that surfaced here and other woodworking venues when he used the brad gun. It's just a small trim nail... to me it was a good idea. I never watched Norm until the last few years he was on, so I don't know if he represented it as some "super tool" or "ultimate woodworking solution" to draw the ire of the home woodworker. It was awful on Sawmill Creek.
...

As another says, he started as carpenter and the projects weren't
intended as anything but what they were as beginning to intermediate
handyman projects for the amateur.

Many (and, I'd wager of those who did, a very low percentage were truly
of markedly higher skill sets) wanted to judge as if he were building
high-quality reproductions or the like.

--

On 6/20/2018 8:29 AM, Leon wrote:
...

> Yeah but if you are actually selling your work and or trying to make a
> living you would be using a nail gun too.  I do.  ;~)
>
> While not using a nail gun or similar short cut tool is nothing any of
> us want to do, it saves time and time is.......money..

Again, that depends on what one is building for what target market.
Christian Becksvoort doesn't... :)

https://www.chbecksvoort.com/

--

On 6/20/2018 9:00 AM, Leon wrote:
> On 6/20/2018 8:41 AM, dpb wrote:
>> On 6/20/2018 8:29 AM, Leon wrote:
>> ...
>>
>>> Yeah but if you are actually selling your work and or trying to make
>>> a living you would be using a nail gun too.  I do.  ;~)
>>>
>>> While not using a nail gun or similar short cut tool is nothing any
>>> of us want to do, it saves time and time is.......money..
>>
>> Again, that depends on what one is building for what target market.
>> Christian Becksvoort doesn't... :)
>>
>> https://www.chbecksvoort.com/
>>
>> --
>>
> LOL. And as soon as I hit send I thought of a few too.   I might throw
> in the stickler that if making "spec" inventory furniture you might not
> use the brand or pinner gun.  When a customer is saying OK, now that we
> have agreed on the design and price, when can you deliver...
>
> I sell 90% of my work as ordered.  I'll use my pinner or my brad nail
> gun to attach a gusset or reinforcement under a drawer, until the glue
> dries.  ;~)

Sure. The point is that Norm on NYW wasn't building fine furniture but
doing home hobbyist projects...and custom cabinet making isn't the same
market, either, however well executed.

To complain of Norm and the brads is just missing the complete nature of
the beast and simply illustrates ignorance on the side of the
complainer, not a fault in Norm's technique.

Now, one could, if one so chose, take the basics of a project plan and
execute it with appropriate modifications for authenticity and technique
and turn it into something else, but that wouldn't be for the same
audience at all.

--

On 6/20/2018 12:08 PM, Michael wrote:
> On Wednesday, June 20, 2018 at 8:41:56 AM UTC-5, dpb wrote:
...

>> https://www.chbecksvoort.com/
>>
> Beautiful work. Would you say these side stands are made of cherry? They are on my to do this summer. Thanks!
>
> https://www.chbecksvoort.com/tables.html

Yes, I'm sure it is.

He is perfectionist in all things including selection of the materials
and matching grain, etc.

While not the only wood he uses; it is his stock-in-trade.

--

On 6/20/2018 12:50 PM, [email protected] wrote:
> On Wed, 20 Jun 2018 10:08:49 -0700 (PDT), Michael
> <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>> On Wednesday, June 20, 2018 at 8:41:56 AM UTC-5, dpb wrote:
...

>>> Again, that depends on what one is building for what target market.
>>> Christian Becksvoort doesn't... :)
>>>
>>> https://www.chbecksvoort.com/
>>>
>>> --
>>
>> Beautiful work. Would you say these side stands are made of cherry? They are on my to do this summer. Thanks!
>>
>> https://www.chbecksvoort.com/tables.html
>
>
>
> Crikey ! Do people actually pay those prices ?
>
> I can maybe see such high prices on more time-consuming styles
> of furniture that have carving or inlay ... or exotic wood ..
> I don't really see it .. even doing hand-cut joinery.
> John T.

You have to see and feel one of his pieces to fully appreciate; pictures
don't do justice to the "fit and feel".

And, say he has a busy year and builds 30 pieces at an average of $4,000
each -- that still only grosses $120,000/yr and in ME to heat the shop
over the winter will take half that! :)

--

On 6/20/2018 1:56 PM, [email protected] wrote:
> On Wed, 20 Jun 2018 13:26:22 -0500, dpb <[email protected]> wrote:
...

>> You have to see and feel one of his pieces to fully appreciate; pictures
>> don't do justice to the "fit and feel".
>>
>> And, say he has a busy year and builds 30 pieces at an average of $4,000
>> each -- that still only grosses $120,000/yr and in ME to heat the shop
>> over the winter will take half that! :)
>
>
> I don't doubt that it's very nice hand-made furniture ..
> I just don't move in the social circles where anyone knows anyone
> who would pay $ 6 grand US < almost $ 8 grand Canadian >
> for that "computer table " ..
> .. and then have to go shopping for a chair ! :-)
> If I were to ask around here - I'm guessing that the local
> craftsmen would maybe charge $ 1200 to build one -
> certainly $ 2000. would do it..
> John T.
>

He's been 40 years in building the reputation that will support the
present, too. Certainly the reputation and being well known through the
association with Fine Woodworking hasn't hurt in getting all that
national advertising for the price of writing an article while he builds
a piece so that his potential client pool is hugely wider than a local
without said vehicle; website or no.

Met him and saw some of his work years ago at a juried show; even for
"the trained professional" his work is out of the ordinary in execution.

--

On 6/20/2018 6:16 PM, [email protected] wrote:
...

> I gotta call foul when you compare the people who buy
> and appreciate solid wood, hand-made furniture -
> .. with the people who go to Ikea.
> Two different species, in my experience.

I think that was _exactly_ the point Leon was making...there are some
who do know the difference and, more importantly, care.

--

On 6/20/2018 6:19 PM, Scott Lurndal wrote:
> [email protected] writes:
>> On Wed, 20 Jun 2018 13:26:22 -0500, dpb <[email protected]> wrote:
>>
>>> On 6/20/2018 12:50 PM, [email protected] wrote:
>>>> On Wed, 20 Jun 2018 10:08:49 -0700 (PDT), Michael
>>>> <[email protected]> wrote:
...

>>>>
>>>> Crikey ! Do people actually pay those prices ?
>>>>
>>>> I can maybe see such high prices on more time-consuming styles
>>>> of furniture that have carving or inlay ... or exotic wood ..
>>>> I don't really see it .. even doing hand-cut joinery.
>>>> John T.
>>>
>>> You have to see and feel one of his pieces to fully appreciate; pictures
>>> don't do justice to the "fit and feel".
>>>
>>> And, say he has a busy year and builds 30 pieces at an average of $4,000
>>> each -- that still only grosses $120,000/yr and in ME to heat the shop
>>> over the winter will take half that! :)
>>
>>
>> I don't doubt that it's very nice hand-made furniture ..
>> I just don't move in the social circles where anyone knows anyone
>> who would pay $ 6 grand US < almost $ 8 grand Canadian >
>> for that "computer table " ..
>
> There is a market for it, see for example:
>
> https://www.thosmoser.com/
>
> Pretty stuff, but pricey.

We generally have a view of the early colonial furniture makers as being
"one-off" craftsmen turning out every piece lovingly ... reality was
"not so much" :)

<https://www.colonialsociety.org/publications/3297/boston-and-its-furnituremakers-1650-1860>

--

On Mon, 18 Jun 2018 22:54:05 [email protected] wrote:

> "This Old House is partnering with New Yankee Workshop to make all 21
> seasons of Norm Abram's classic fine-woodworking program available
> again! Soon you'll be able to stream every episode of NYW, with the
> option to purchase the plans for each project Norm makes on the show."


no surprise they got it all wrong

it should read

this new house

and

old yankee workshop


norm and fine woodworking and staple guns


maybe hemifine or semifine

or

good enough and not let perfect get in the way

On 6/18/2018 9:12 PM, DerbyDad03 wrote:
> On Monday, June 18, 2018 at 6:54:12 PM UTC-4, Spalted Walt wrote:
>> <https://www.thisoldhouse.com/new-yankee-workshop?season=1>
>>
>> "This Old House is partnering with New Yankee Workshop to make all 21 seasons of
>> Norm Abram's classic fine-woodworking program available again! Soon you'll be
>> able to stream every episode of NYW, with the option to purchase the plans for
>> each project Norm makes on the show."
>
> I'm so thrilled I'm going to go put some brads in while the glue dries. ;-)
>
+1

--
Jack
Tolerance is the virtue of the man without convictions.
http://jbstein.com

On 6/18/2018 5:54 PM, Spalted Walt wrote:
> <https://www.thisoldhouse.com/new-yankee-workshop?season=1>
>
> "This Old House is partnering with New Yankee Workshop to make all 21 seasons of
> Norm Abram's classic fine-woodworking program available again! Soon you'll be
> able to stream every episode of NYW, with the option to purchase the plans for
> each project Norm makes on the show."
>

cool!

Michael <[email protected]> wrote:

> On Monday, June 18, 2018 at 5:54:12 PM UTC-5, Spalted Walt wrote:
> > <https://www.thisoldhouse.com/new-yankee-workshop?season=1>
> >
> > "This Old House is partnering with New Yankee Workshop to make all 21 seasons of
> > Norm Abram's classic fine-woodworking program available again! Soon you'll be
> > able to stream every episode of NYW, with the option to purchase the plans for
> > each project Norm makes on the show."
>
> In all those 21 seasons, did Norm pull out a hand plane even once?

https://www.youtube.com/embed/JzC3equapDs?autoplay=1&start=24&end=48

HTH

On Wed, 20 Jun 2018 10:08:49 -0700 (PDT), Michael
<[email protected]> wrote:

>On Wednesday, June 20, 2018 at 8:41:56 AM UTC-5, dpb wrote:
>> On 6/20/2018 8:29 AM, Leon wrote:
>> ...
>>
>> > Yeah but if you are actually selling your work and or trying to make a
>> > living you would be using a nail gun too.  I do.  ;~)
>> >
>> > While not using a nail gun or similar short cut tool is nothing any of
>> > us want to do, it saves time and time is.......money..
>>
>> Again, that depends on what one is building for what target market.
>> Christian Becksvoort doesn't... :)
>>
>> https://www.chbecksvoort.com/
>>
>> --
>
>Beautiful work. Would you say these side stands are made of cherry? They are on my to do this summer. Thanks!
>
>https://www.chbecksvoort.com/tables.html



Crikey ! Do people actually pay those prices ?

I can maybe see such high prices on more time-consuming styles
of furniture that have carving or inlay ... or exotic wood ..
I don't really see it .. even doing hand-cut joinery.
John T.

On Wed, 20 Jun 2018 13:26:22 -0500, dpb <[email protected]> wrote:

>On 6/20/2018 12:50 PM, [email protected] wrote:
>> On Wed, 20 Jun 2018 10:08:49 -0700 (PDT), Michael
>> <[email protected]> wrote:
>>
>>> On Wednesday, June 20, 2018 at 8:41:56 AM UTC-5, dpb wrote:
>...
>
>>>> Again, that depends on what one is building for what target market.
>>>> Christian Becksvoort doesn't... :)
>>>>
>>>> https://www.chbecksvoort.com/
>>>>
>>>> --
>>>
>>> Beautiful work. Would you say these side stands are made of cherry? They are on my to do this summer. Thanks!
>>>
>>> https://www.chbecksvoort.com/tables.html
>>
>>
>>
>> Crikey ! Do people actually pay those prices ?
>>
>> I can maybe see such high prices on more time-consuming styles
>> of furniture that have carving or inlay ... or exotic wood ..
>> I don't really see it .. even doing hand-cut joinery.
>> John T.
>
>You have to see and feel one of his pieces to fully appreciate; pictures
>don't do justice to the "fit and feel".
>
>And, say he has a busy year and builds 30 pieces at an average of $4,000
>each -- that still only grosses $120,000/yr and in ME to heat the shop
>over the winter will take half that! :)


I don't doubt that it's very nice hand-made furniture ..
I just don't move in the social circles where anyone knows anyone
who would pay $ 6 grand US < almost $ 8 grand Canadian >
for that "computer table " ..
.. and then have to go shopping for a chair ! :-)
If I were to ask around here - I'm guessing that the local
craftsmen would maybe charge $ 1200 to build one -
certainly $ 2000. would do it..
John T.