Rr

"R.H."

18/10/2007 4:00 AM

What is it? CCII

Set 202 has just been posted:

http://puzzlephotos.blogspot.com/


Rob


This topic has 28 replies

kk

in reply to "R.H." on 18/10/2007 4:00 AM

18/10/2007 12:42 PM

On Oct 17, 10:00 pm, "R.H." <[email protected]> wrote:
> Set 202 has just been posted:
>
> http://puzzlephotos.blogspot.com/
>
> Rob

1118. Looks like a tenon cutter.
Karl

g

in reply to "R.H." on 18/10/2007 4:00 AM

18/10/2007 8:17 AM

On Oct 18, 9:00 am, "R.H." <[email protected]> wrote:
> Set 202 has just been posted:
1118 is similar to a dowel maker, except they're tapered so oversized
wood can be fed in from the large end and "pencil-sharpenered" down to
the size the tool's made for. I suspect this one isn't meant to move
along the bit of wood, it'll be for making fixed diameter sections on
things - something like tool handle ends or spokes or anything where a
bit of wood has to fit into a drilled hole.

1121 looks like a counterweight for a retracting something - air line,
perhaps!

1120 could undo something more rapidly than a C-spanner would - things
like bomb-fuses etc. but that wouldn't explain why the restricted
number of turns.

1116 counts something in units, tens and hundreds. Perhaps how many
times a drawer has been opened?

AD

Andy Dingley

in reply to "R.H." on 18/10/2007 4:00 AM

18/10/2007 10:29 AM

On 18 Oct, 09:00, "R.H." <[email protected]> wrote:
> Set 202 has just been posted:
> http://puzzlephotos.blogspot.com/

1115 Morse key - side-to-side action

1116 Decimal counter. Maybe for counting visitors through a shop door?

1117 Back and forth-flapper. The end #1 looks uncomfortable to hold,
so I guess it was wedged between something. The other end flaps a
clamped rod radially, not axially, so it's not a valve lapper. Other
than that, I'm baffled.

1118 Trapping plane. Definitely not a tenon cutter, the point about
this sort (hinged and with both handles on one side) is that it's
easily variable in diameter. They're usually a chair makers' tool,
used in a lathe to produce spindles with gently varying diameters. You
can't turn long gradually-tapered chairback spindles with a chisel
alone, unless you're a genius. These things make it easy.

1120 Now that one _is_ a valve lapper.

1121 Trolley for supporting a tool (or air line outlet), whilst
allowing it to be moved along the supporting wire?

AD

Andy Dingley

in reply to "R.H." on 18/10/2007 4:00 AM

20/10/2007 3:38 PM

On 19 Oct, 20:34, "R.H." <[email protected]> wrote:
> Most of them have been answered correctly this week, several links and a
> couple of updates from previous sets have been posted on the answer page:
>
> http://pzphotosans202xt.blogspot.com/

I still don't think that 1117 is a valve lapper, as the action is
wrong. The action of 1120 is to move CW, then CCW, in a manner that's
constant speed (albeit reversing). 1117 is different - the action is
to remain stationary, then flick quickly from one position to another.
That's not a good grinding action.

SW

Stuart Wheaton

in reply to "R.H." on 18/10/2007 4:00 AM

18/10/2007 5:27 PM

R.H. wrote:
> Set 202 has just been posted:
>
> http://puzzlephotos.blogspot.com/
>
>
> Rob
1118 For making dowels of a certain size, maybe for round tenons...
1121 Tensioner for overhead power lines, like trolley wires, but given
the size, I'd guess a travelling crane or such.

NB

"Norman Billingham"

in reply to "R.H." on 18/10/2007 4:00 AM

18/10/2007 9:33 AM


"R.H." <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> Set 202 has just been posted:


#1105 is a paddle type semi-automatic morse key. Pushing the paddle one way
generates a dot and the other a dash.

BR

Bill Rider

in reply to "R.H." on 18/10/2007 4:00 AM

18/10/2007 9:01 PM

R.H. wrote:
> Set 202 has just been posted:
>
> http://puzzlephotos.blogspot.com/
>
>
> Rob
1121: America has had air-lines at least as far back as the 1860s,
railroads built to be straight and level. Because it's spelled with a
hyphen, I think it belonged to a railroad.

Photos from other angles would be helpful. There is a lever behind each
wheel. I wonder if the block in the middle is wooden.

The fancy brass may have been to enhance the railroad's image for modern
technology. Maybe it was to hang illumination or a schedule over the
platform without having a post in the way. Maybe it was to tow a mail
bag alongside a train up where somebody aboard could remove it and
attach another. That may have been smoother than carrying bags on and off.

HR

Howard R Garner

in reply to "R.H." on 18/10/2007 4:00 AM

18/10/2007 6:49 AM

R.H. wrote:
> Set 202 has just been posted:
>
> http://puzzlephotos.blogspot.com/
>
>
> Rob

Know a couple this week.

1105 Telegraph key or "bug" Should this be label 1115?
1121 a guess - used as a carrier on a wire to send money to a central
location as in some departmetn stores.

Howard on rcm

Cc

CBFalconer

in reply to "R.H." on 18/10/2007 4:00 AM

18/10/2007 7:19 PM

osmium wrote:
> "Norman Billingham" wrote:
>
>> #1105 is a paddle type semi-automatic morse key. Pushing the
>> paddle one way generates a dot and the other a dash.
>
> Pushing the paddle one way issues one dash, the other way gives a
> *series of* dots, leading to much increased speed over an ordinary
> key.. The duration of the dots is established by adjusting weights,
> moved to the left or right after loosening the wing nuts. I don't
> remember *two* weights but there they seem to be. It's been a
> while. Usually called a "bug".

Don't all hams, other than raw beginners, use those?

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JohnM

in reply to "R.H." on 18/10/2007 4:00 AM

18/10/2007 8:49 PM

Fancy telegraph or cw key.

Some sort of progressive counting device.

Valve grinding tool.

Pencil sharpener or dowel cutter.

Pliers.

Another valve grinding tool.

Counterweight for retractable airhose.

John

Rr

"R.H."

in reply to "R.H." on 18/10/2007 4:00 AM

19/10/2007 3:34 PM

Most of them have been answered correctly this week, several links and a
couple of updates from previous sets have been posted on the answer page:

http://pzphotosans202xt.blogspot.com/



Rob

Rr

"R.H."

in reply to "R.H." on 18/10/2007 4:00 AM

20/10/2007 5:08 PM

One more item for this week.

Yesterday I took some photos of a mechanical pencil that has an unusual
piece on the eraser end. We used to have one of these in my family years
ago, I'm not sure if they're common or not, a photo of it can be seen here:

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v80/harnett65/album%207/_1mp1.jpg

A close-up:

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v80/harnett65/album%207/_1mp2.jpg


The idea is to describe the purpose of this part.


Rob

Rr

"R.H."

in reply to "R.H." on 18/10/2007 4:00 AM

21/10/2007 12:44 PM


"Artemus" <[email protected]> wrote in message
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> It's used for dialing a rotary phone.
> Art


Correct, it's a phone dialing tool, patent number 2,247,027:

http://www.google.com/patents?id=86ZXAAAAEBAJ&dq=2247027&ie=ISO-8859-1



Rob

Rr

"R.H."

in reply to "R.H." on 18/10/2007 4:00 AM

21/10/2007 12:59 PM


"Andy Dingley" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> On 19 Oct, 20:34, "R.H." <[email protected]> wrote:
>> Most of them have been answered correctly this week, several links and a
>> couple of updates from previous sets have been posted on the answer page:
>>
>> http://pzphotosans202xt.blogspot.com/
>
> I still don't think that 1117 is a valve lapper, as the action is
> wrong. The action of 1120 is to move CW, then CCW, in a manner that's
> constant speed (albeit reversing). 1117 is different - the action is
> to remain stationary, then flick quickly from one position to another.


You could be right, I'm guessing it's a valve lapping tool because I haven't
seen any other tools with a similar motion.

> That's not a good grinding action.

I'm not saying it's a well designed tool, maybe it didn't work as good as
it's competition and that's why there aren't many to be found. ;-) I'll
continued to do some research on it and will let everyone know if I find
anything.


Rob




Bb

"BillM"

in reply to "R.H." on 18/10/2007 4:00 AM

18/10/2007 1:53 PM

1120 valve lapping tool for lapping engine valves

or

"osmium"

in reply to "R.H." on 18/10/2007 4:00 AM

18/10/2007 11:57 AM

"Norman Billingham" wrote:

> #1105 is a paddle type semi-automatic morse key. Pushing the paddle one
> way generates a dot and the other a dash.

Pushing the paddle one way issues one dash, the other way gives a *series
of* dots, leading to much increased speed over an ordinary key.. The
duration of the dots is established by adjusting weights, moved to the left
or right after loosening the wing nuts. I don't remember *two* weights but
there they seem to be. It's been a while. Usually called a "bug".

Al

"Artemus" <[email protected]>

in reply to "R.H." on 18/10/2007 4:00 AM

20/10/2007 2:45 PM

It's used for dialing a rotary phone.
Art

"R.H." <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> One more item for this week.
>
> Yesterday I took some photos of a mechanical pencil that has an unusual
> piece on the eraser end. We used to have one of these in my family years
> ago, I'm not sure if they're common or not, a photo of it can be seen here:
>
> http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v80/harnett65/album%207/_1mp1.jpg
>
> A close-up:
>
> http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v80/harnett65/album%207/_1mp2.jpg
>
>
> The idea is to describe the purpose of this part.
>
>
> Rob
>
>

EH

"Ed Huntress"

in reply to "R.H." on 18/10/2007 4:00 AM

18/10/2007 2:05 PM


"R.H." <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> Set 202 has just been posted:
>
> http://puzzlephotos.blogspot.com/
>
>
> Rob

I'm always late for these, darn it. So I don't read what everybody else
said.

1105. Vibromatic bug. (telegraph key). I used to have one that I think was
older than that. <g>

1118. Tenon cutter for round chair rails and similar.

--
Ed Huntress


BR

Bill Rider

in reply to "R.H." on 18/10/2007 4:00 AM

19/10/2007 1:04 AM

Tom wrote:
> R.H. wrote:
>> Set 202 has just been posted:
>>
>> http://puzzlephotos.blogspot.com/
>>
>>
>> Rob
> >
> 1121: Part of a department store cashier's system,
> see: http://www.ids.u-net.com/cash/wire.htm
>
> Tom
Emanuel Gipe and Charles Hildreth, May 5, 1896. Patent 559,700. It
looks complicated.

William Lamson had a small store where he devised a cash carrier in
1881. It took balls to get his idea rolling. In 1882 he founded the
Lamson Cash Carrier Company in Boston. The trolleys said Lamson on one
side and Air-Line on the other. The Southern Pacific used them. So did
post offices.

Hildreth supervised the machine shop at the Lowell Mill from before 1893
at least until 1902. I guess he moonlighted for Lamson. Gipe lived
in the midwest. I wonder how he came to collaborate.

This film shows one in action.

http://brassregisters.com/FL%20Lamson6_03.avi

SP

Stealth Pilot

in reply to "R.H." on 18/10/2007 4:00 AM

18/10/2007 9:09 PM

On Thu, 18 Oct 2007 12:42:18 -0000, "[email protected]"
<[email protected]> wrote:

>On Oct 17, 10:00 pm, "R.H." <[email protected]> wrote:
>> Set 202 has just been posted:
>>
>> http://puzzlephotos.blogspot.com/
>>
>> Rob
>
>1118. Looks like a tenon cutter.
>Karl

actually I believe that it may be a scythe makers stail snaith

that is actually a real name of a real tool.
I've never seen one but it fits the purpose of producing a round
handle of some length for something like a scythe.

Stealth Pilot

ic

=?iso-8859-1?Q?Christian_St=FCben?=

in reply to "R.H." on 18/10/2007 4:00 AM

18/10/2007 12:42 PM

and again my silly guesses

1105 morse key?
1116 counting machine
1117 a compass for drafting? ehm, no, looks different
1118 for making cylinders out of wood
1119 no idea
1120 a drill, or a milling machine. silly guess ... bottle opener?
1121 weigth holder for a big pendulum clock, or carrier for gondola lift

greetings from germany
chris

Tt

Tom

in reply to "R.H." on 18/10/2007 4:00 AM

18/10/2007 8:10 PM

R.H. wrote:
> Set 202 has just been posted:
>
> http://puzzlephotos.blogspot.com/
>
>
> Rob
>
1121: Part of a department store cashier's system,
see: http://www.ids.u-net.com/cash/wire.htm

Tom

TT

Tanus

in reply to "R.H." on 18/10/2007 4:00 AM

19/10/2007 2:28 PM

1119. Crimper for edge joining sheet metal?

Tanus

http://users.compzone.ca/george/shop/

dD

[email protected] (DoN. Nichols)

in reply to "R.H." on 18/10/2007 4:00 AM

20/10/2007 12:08 AM

According to R.H. <[email protected]>:
> Set 202 has just been posted:
>
> http://puzzlephotos.blogspot.com/

Late getting to this, but I haven't peeked at others' answers
yet. :-)

Posting from rcm as always.

1115) A "Bug" -- made by VibroPlex. A device for speeding (and
making more regular) Morse code.

This one seems to be in need of some refurbishment, especially
in the contacts for sending dashes -- which look somewhat
corroded.

Anyway -- a press on the round keytop (right) with the index
finger sends a dash by closing the contacts at the right-hand
end of the image as shown.

A press on the trapezoidal keycap, however, causes the long arm
to vibrate on the spring which attaches it to the shorter part
of the key, causing the contacts near the middle to open and
close in a well timed sequence to send a series of dots.
Adjustment of the sliding weights tunes the rate of the dot
generation, which should be matched to the dash width in a
specific ratio.

When the trapezoidal key is released, the long arm contacts a
moving weight in the bracket at the left to damp its motion.

These days, there are digital bugs to send the dashes and dots,
and they are just two contacts to select dots or dashes, and the
real money is in generating keyswitches for these with an
optimum "feel".

1116) A mechanical counter. The digits are visible through the holes
at the bottom of the cup-shaped depressions. The wheel to the
left (as shown here) is the least significant digit, and a
(difficult to see) projection rotates the next wheel by one
digit. This wheel (the middle one) has the projection just
engaging the next wheel, and the final wheel has a projection
(which engages nothing) at about 4:30.

The mechanism which advances the first wheel presumably passed
through the bronze (or is it brass) structure on the left, but
most of it seems to be missing.

Now -- as to *what* it counted, I have no real idea, but I will
guess that it might have counted ballots in a polling place.

Hmm ... or could it have been part of the back side of a voting
machine (pre computer style) which counted the number of votes
for a given candidate? It looks rather poorly made for the
purpose, but it might have been for one of the very early ones
used in a place where there were not too many voters -- though
it would be easy enough to add another wheel to handle up to
9999 votes. Beyond that, the friction might be a problem on
rollover from 09999 to 10000.

1117) This motion suggests that it is intended to serve to rotate
back and forth an automotive valve, when lapping it to its seat.

The screwdriver blade type tip would fit into a slot in the
valve, but I'm not sure why the square socket with the clamp
screw. That looks about the right size for holding a lathe
cutting tool -- but I'm not sure what it would do so for.

1118) This is a special plane designed to turn a cylindrical surface,
either for making a dowel, or a round trunnion on the end
of some wood to fit together to make furniture.

It looks to me as though the blade both is projecting too far
into the cylindrical area, and (perhaps) is upside down. I
think that the bevel should be the other way around.

1119) If the projections were round, I would suggest a tool for
removing or inserting a C-ring.

It could still be used for that purpose if pins were to project
out the holes on the side of the jaws.

But with the square projections, it is for some other kind of
catch for removing or inserting something special.

1120) This looks like another version of a valve lapping machine
similar in function to the one near the top;

This one would engage two blind holes drilled into the face of
the valve to rotate it.

1121) For carrying messages along taught wires.

It looks as though a cylinder bayonets into the bottom of the
carrier.

This is some sort of predecessor of the tubes carrying money and
paperwork to and from bank drive-in windows, except that this
does not depend on airflow (think big central vacuum cleaners
for the latter style.

*Now* -- I can go see what has been guessed (and perhaps even
read the official answers already. :-)

Enjoy,
DoN.



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Andrew Erickson

in reply to "R.H." on 18/10/2007 4:00 AM

18/10/2007 11:02 PM

In article <[email protected]>,
"R.H." <[email protected]> wrote:

> http://puzzlephotos.blogspot.com/

Let's see here...some guesses, some I'm pretty sure I know.

1115 -- repeater style morse code key (probably not the correct name);
pushing the round knob would operate like a traditional code key, but
sideways, while moving the tab the other way produces a sequence of
dits, if my memory isn't playing tricks on me. If not, it's the other
way around.

1116 -- this sure looks like a decimal counter mechanism, seemingly
missing some part to advance the leftmost cogwheel one notch at a time.
No idea what it was intended to count, if indeed something particular.
There doesn't seem to be a quick way to reset it, so it's presumably
intended for some permanent application, and with only three digits,
it's not going to count especially frequent events (like turnstile
entrances).

1117 -- early valve lapping tool, probably for automobile engines.

1118 -- cutter to form dowel rods out of rough-shaped stock; the tool
would seem to be used by holding the handles together and twirling it
around a wooden rod. I'd imagine the blade should be far less exposed,
and possibly flipped with the bevel the other way.

1119 -- crimper for something, I'd guess maybe an electronic connector
of some sort, but the dies don't look at all familiar.

1120 -- Fancy spanner wrench, possibly for watch cases? Quick winder
for some spring-wound machine? Rather a curious contraption.

1121 -- At first, I thought this was a part of a zip line, for
traversing spans hanging from a trolly suspended on a cable, but the
shrouds around the wheels don't permit a horizontal application of this
sort, and the connection at the bottom doesn't look too convenient to
mount a handle or sling onto. It looks like the cable or rope must
enter and leave vertically, and seemingly passes directly across from
the bottom of one pulley wheel to the other (over the reddish block).
This would seem to suggest it's part of some sort of a hoisting system;
and with the "Air-line" name, I'd fancy a pneumatic-powered (freight?)
elevator.

Now on to other guesses.

--
Andrew Erickson

"He is no fool who gives what he cannot keep to gain that which he cannot
lose." -- Jim Elliot

Mm

Markem

in reply to "R.H." on 18/10/2007 4:00 AM

20/10/2007 5:28 PM

On Sat, 20 Oct 2007 17:08:56 -0400, "R.H." <[email protected]>
wrote:

>One more item for this week.
>
>Yesterday I took some photos of a mechanical pencil that has an unusual
>piece on the eraser end. We used to have one of these in my family years
>ago, I'm not sure if they're common or not, a photo of it can be seen here:
>
>http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v80/harnett65/album%207/_1mp1.jpg
>
>A close-up:
>
>http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v80/harnett65/album%207/_1mp2.jpg
>
>
>The idea is to describe the purpose of this part.

An old fashion key stroke logger <EG>

Looks as though it is a bell upon mechanical pencil.

Mark

BR

Bill Rider

in reply to "R.H." on 18/10/2007 4:00 AM

20/10/2007 9:30 PM

DoN. Nichols wrote:
> According to R.H. <[email protected]>:
>> Set 202 has just been posted:

>
> 1117) This motion suggests that it is intended to serve to rotate
> back and forth an automotive valve, when lapping it to its seat.
>
> The screwdriver blade type tip would fit into a slot in the
> valve, but I'm not sure why the square socket with the clamp
> screw. That looks about the right size for holding a lathe
> cutting tool -- but I'm not sure what it would do so for.
>

>
> 1120) This looks like another version of a valve lapping machine
> similar in function to the one near the top;
>
> This one would engage two blind holes drilled into the face of
> the valve to rotate it.
>
The handle on 1120 would allow the user to keep the tip engaged and keep
the top end of the tool from turning. The lever would turn the tip
through 360 degrees or so.

1117 seems to be for some other function. It limits movement to an arc
of 90 degrees or so. You couldn't use the tool effectively without
keeping the end opposite the tip from rotating. I think something was
supposed to fit over the end that looks like fletching on an arrow, to
keep it from turning.

If it's important that the clamp end not rotate too far, that could
explain the screwdriver tip. The machine where the tool was used would
have a hole with two wedges, like a pie pan with two big slices left.
The hole would keep the tip from sliding around, and the wedges would
limit how far it could turn.

If you simply wanted to turn the tip back and forth through a limited
arc, why the crank? Turning a crank would help a user operate it at a
certain speed, like a fisherman reeling in a lure.

So I think it was to turn something back and forth through a fixed arc
at a suitable speed. Windshield wipers come to mind, but I don't think
the tool was for somebody sitting on the hood of a car driving through
the rain.

There's no washer under the cotter pin. I wonder if it was designed
that way.

JC

Jim Chandler

in reply to "R.H." on 18/10/2007 4:00 AM

18/10/2007 3:34 PM

R.H. wrote:

> Set 202 has just been posted:
>
> http://puzzlephotos.blogspot.com/
>
>
> Rob

1105 Vibroplex keyer for radio. Also known to operators as a "bug"

1106 A "digital" counter

1118 Soem soort of plane or slitter

Jim Chandler


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