I bought one of those 3.5 cu ft Cement Mixers from HFT and mixed two
80# bags of SAKRETE concrete mix accodring to the directions adding
(at first) .75 gallons of water per bag.
The mix was dry. And balls of mix developed .75" to about 1.5" and
rolled about the mixer without mixing in very well.
I wound up adding more water about a gallon per bag to get a mix that
looked something like the mix the pros bring when I order several
years from a regular cement truck. Or the mixes I used to do in a
shallow plastic tub with hoe and rake to mix the SAKRETE.
Adding the water was essential to getting a mix I felt comfortable
with - with the exception that I fear the additional water might
effectively ruin the mix and deck footers I was pouring.
I thought to ask here in case anyone had experience mixing concrete in
a similar mixer or the one from HFT.
Or maybe one of you can point me to a source that will help answer my
questions. Thank you.
"Larry Jaques" <[email protected]> wrote
> It _very_ likely didn't. I've seen idiots fill holes with water, toss
> in the 4x4, dump in a bag of crete, stir with the 4x4, then set
> vertical. The resultant lump 'o crete was nice and solid the week
> after. I was fairly surprised. Do try to use as little water as
> possible, though.
>
Sakrete makes a no-mix fence post formula. They also make a lightweight
aggregate mix.
On 7/19/2011 11:09 PM, Larry Jaques wrote:
> On Tue, 19 Jul 2011 18:51:41 -0500, Leon<lcb11211@swbelldotnet>
> wrote:
>
>> On 7/19/2011 2:35 PM, -MIKE- wrote:
>>> On 7/19/11 2:08 PM, Leon wrote:
>>>> On 7/19/2011 1:07 PM, Josepi wrote:
>>>>> Don't worry about the troll responses. Just don't feed them by giving
>>>>> audience.
>>>>>
>>>>> The group is a success is indicated when you get these fools. They will
>>>>> always find something to poke at even if it is with the way you type
>>>>> your period character, at the end of your sentence....too much pressure
>>>>> or too little pressure on your keyboard, etc....
>>>>>
>>>>> I have poured premixed concrete into a hole, dry, and walked away, if it
>>>>> will rain in the next day or so. It works just fine and you seem to know
>>>>> what you are doing.
>>>>
>>>> And what if it does not rain in a day or so? Kind of a stupid gamble.
>>>
>>> That and the fact that what really happens is you get a crispy shell of
>>> cured concrete covering the dry powder concrete on the inside.
>>>
>> Exactly!
>
> Concrete is ery porous. The second time it got wet, the next layer
> would be wet and set. Repeat a dozen times and the whole thing is set.
> My question would be "How well does each layer stick to the other?"
>
> --
> Progress is the product of human agency. Things get better because we
> make them better. Things go wrong when we get too comfortable, when we
> fail to take risks or seize opportunities.
> -- Susan Rice
Concrete "is" very porous however soil can be much more porous. If the
surrounding soil is more porous the water is going to go to the soil vs.
concrete. Add to that the thicker the concrete the more the water has
to penetrate to get to the uncured section. It is important that the
concrete next to the post be cured, If it takes 4 or 5 rains to cure
everything you have movement from the fence post that will open the
hole that the post is in and then what is the point of using concrete at
all.
We wouldn't want crispy layer of concrete inside our deck post supports. The
strength might not be good enough o hold back the ground pressing against
it.
---------------------
"Doug Miller" wrote in message news:[email protected]...
Incorrect. What happens instead is that you get hardened granules that don't
stick to each other, and the entire thing is a grainy mess.
-------------------
In article <[email protected]>,
[email protected] wrote:
Concrete is ery porous. The second time it got wet, the next layer
would be wet and set. Repeat a dozen times and the whole thing is set.
On 7/20/2011 9:13 AM, Doug Miller wrote:
> In article<[email protected]>, [email protected] wrote:
>
>> Concrete is ery porous. The second time it got wet, the next layer
>> would be wet and set. Repeat a dozen times and the whole thing is set.
>
> Incorrect. What happens instead is that you get hardened granules that don't
> stick to each other, and the entire thing is a grainy mess.
That is what I have witnessed after pulling a post out of supposed
cured concrete.
In article <[email protected]>, [email protected] wrote:
>Concrete is ery porous. The second time it got wet, the next layer
>would be wet and set. Repeat a dozen times and the whole thing is set.
Incorrect. What happens instead is that you get hardened granules that don't
stick to each other, and the entire thing is a grainy mess.
>My question would be "How well does each layer stick to the other?"
Hardly at all.
On Tue, 19 Jul 2011 18:51:41 -0500, Leon <lcb11211@swbelldotnet>
wrote:
>On 7/19/2011 2:35 PM, -MIKE- wrote:
>> On 7/19/11 2:08 PM, Leon wrote:
>>> On 7/19/2011 1:07 PM, Josepi wrote:
>>>> Don't worry about the troll responses. Just don't feed them by giving
>>>> audience.
>>>>
>>>> The group is a success is indicated when you get these fools. They will
>>>> always find something to poke at even if it is with the way you type
>>>> your period character, at the end of your sentence....too much pressure
>>>> or too little pressure on your keyboard, etc....
>>>>
>>>> I have poured premixed concrete into a hole, dry, and walked away, if it
>>>> will rain in the next day or so. It works just fine and you seem to know
>>>> what you are doing.
>>>
>>> And what if it does not rain in a day or so? Kind of a stupid gamble.
>>
>> That and the fact that what really happens is you get a crispy shell of
>> cured concrete covering the dry powder concrete on the inside.
>>
>Exactly!
Concrete is ery porous. The second time it got wet, the next layer
would be wet and set. Repeat a dozen times and the whole thing is set.
My question would be "How well does each layer stick to the other?"
--
Progress is the product of human agency. Things get better because we
make them better. Things go wrong when we get too comfortable, when we
fail to take risks or seize opportunities.
-- Susan Rice
On Wed, 20 Jul 2011 09:08:46 -0500, Steve Turner
<[email protected]> wrote:
>I have a feeling the Army Corps of Engineers would never build a dam using
>anything but fully mixed concrete. I would never feel comfortable that
>concrete (in any context) would cure completely and with full strength unless
>it were mixed thoroughly with water from the outset.
I know they have used just plan dirt in a few dams.
Gooey wrote:
> On Jul 19, 1:02 pm, "Mike Marlow" <[email protected]>
> wrote:
>
> if you follow the directions on the product you will usually come out
> just fine.
>
> Good advice in most instances and, a "computer guy" I always reach for
> the directions after all else fails.
Computer guy hell... That's a generic "guy" thing - as it should be...
>
> But, in the instant case (read the OP) I followed the directions
> exactly and was experiencing difficulty and ended up "curing" the
> problem by adding 33% more water than called for. As I was using a
> concrete mixer that was new to me, I thought there might be technique
> issues. e.g do you fill the thing with the mix and then add all the
> water called for - then turn the machine on? Or, pour in the amount of
> water called for, then add the concrete mix - then turn the machine
> on? Or add a little mix, a little water as the machine is running and
> repeat until all 160 pounds of mix are in? Or, yet another approach
> I've yet to conceive of?
You have it all wrong. You have the wife mix it, advising her to make it
come out like pancake batter. You sit on the deck with a beer in your hand,
supervising. Sheese... ya gotta tell some people everything...
>
> If we were all gathered at the local coffee shop shootin' the breeze,
> would the questions and discussion seem a waste of time?
Not if you're buying the coffee...
--
-Mike-
[email protected]
On Sun, 17 Jul 2011 19:29:38 -0600, Gooey wrote
(in article
<[email protected]>):
> I bought one of those 3.5 cu ft Cement Mixers from HFT and mixed two
> 80# bags of SAKRETE concrete mix accodring to the directions adding
> (at first) .75 gallons of water per bag.
>
> The mix was dry. And balls of mix developed .75" to about 1.5" and
> rolled about the mixer without mixing in very well.
>
> I wound up adding more water about a gallon per bag to get a mix that
> looked something like the mix the pros bring when I order several
> years from a regular cement truck. Or the mixes I used to do in a
> shallow plastic tub with hoe and rake to mix the SAKRETE.
>
> Adding the water was essential to getting a mix I felt comfortable
> with - with the exception that I fear the additional water might
> effectively ruin the mix and deck footers I was pouring.
>
> I thought to ask here in case anyone had experience mixing concrete in
> a similar mixer or the one from HFT.
I bought one of those mixers years ago when they were on sale. Since then, I
have mixed literally a 1000 batches of quickcrete, stucco, and standard
cement. Rule 1 with these mixers is they are underpowered. If you over load
it, you are screwed. The max amount of material mine can handle is a 1-2-3
mix of standard portland cement, sand, and gravel with a 3-gallon pail.
For the above, I add the cement and sand, then run it a few minutes to get it
all mixed up. I then add water (a little at a time) until the sand/cement mix
turns into a runny slurry (fully mixed, no lumps). I then add the gravel
which thickens up everything perfectly. I may need to add a splash or two of
water to get it just right. If I go overboard on the water, I set things
right with a few scoops of cement/sand.
With quickcrete (and stucco), I start with the dry mix and add water little
by little trying to avoid dry pockets sticking to the side of the drum. If
the drum starts to stall, tilt it back up a notch or two. 'Balling' is common
and you need to add more water to break them up, but be aware that at this
point, very little water goes a long way towards souping up the mix.
The damn thing just won't die. I've been tempted to fit in a 3/4 HP cooler
motor some day. When I'm using it I always imagine 1,000,000 Chinese workers,
each manning one of these mixers, building the three gorges dam....
-Bruce
>
> Or maybe one of you can point me to a source that will help answer my
> questions. Thank you.
On 7/19/2011 7:17 PM, FrozenNorth wrote:
> On 7/19/11 7:54 PM, Leon wrote:
>> On 7/19/2011 3:17 PM, FrozenNorth wrote:
>>> On 7/19/11 4:13 PM, Mike Marlow wrote:
>>>> -MIKE- wrote:
>>>>> On 7/19/11 2:08 PM, Leon wrote:
>>>>>> On 7/19/2011 1:07 PM, Josepi wrote:
>>>>>>> Don't worry about the troll responses. Just don't feed them by
>>>>>>> giving audience.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> The group is a success is indicated when you get these fools. They
>>>>>>> will always find something to poke at even if it is with the way
>>>>>>> you type your period character, at the end of your sentence....too
>>>>>>> much pressure or too little pressure on your keyboard, etc....
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I have poured premixed concrete into a hole, dry, and walked away,
>>>>>>> if it will rain in the next day or so. It works just fine and you
>>>>>>> seem to know what you are doing.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> And what if it does not rain in a day or so? Kind of a stupid gamble.
>>>>>
>>>>> That and the fact that what really happens is you get a crispy shell
>>>>> of cured concrete covering the dry powder concrete on the inside.
>>>>
>>>> I have to disagree. I have dug up posts that I've put in the ground and
>>>> found the dry mix to be a solid mass as if I had poured it. it
>>>> depends on
>>>> the moisture of the ground.
>>>>
>>> location, location, location...It would have worked in the spring here,
>>> now not so much, Leon is in a drought area, probably wouldn't work so
>>> well.
>>>
>>
>>
>> Leon in in an area that gets an average or 36" per year. If you have
>> clay soil like we do in Houston the clay will absorb the water, suck it
>> out of the concrete.
>
> Ok, but still comes down to location.
>
I would think location would have nothing to do with it so much as the
amount of water that it receives to "properly" cure. Proper conditions
such as enough water, temperature, soil, and or moisture in the soil.
Gooey <[email protected]> wrote:
>I bought one of those 3.5 cu ft Cement Mixers from HFT and mixed two
>80# bags of SAKRETE concrete mix accodring to the directions adding
>(at first) .75 gallons of water per bag.
The optimum (all factors) concrete is made
with ice, the mix hitting the formwork at no
more than 19C.
The mix must be vibrated.
These are the two prime factors.
The rest you will find linked here:
http://www.cement.org/tech/index.asp
george
-MIKE- <[email protected]> wrote:
>On 7/18/11 12:10 PM, Josepi wrote:
>> Your water may vary in wetness...
>>
>
>Brilliant.
/nods
.. he is hard to beat for sheer stupid fark-ery<g>
That "mII" nick he uses?
He is doing that cos the real "mII" published a
whole list of "Bobisms".. gems as per the one
you point at... an' laugh.
Same reason he is frothing over _anyone_ using "mike"
as a name, real or not.
mII's real christian name is "Mike".
GB knows as it was him that outed mII to his
employer.. umm 2005??
Yer gotta keep an eye on this nutcase<g>
catch his act as "Eric" talking to himself .. yet again.
guy is bloody mental.
george
-MIKE- <[email protected]> wrote:
>On 7/18/11 12:41 PM, chaniarts wrote:
>> -MIKE- wrote:
>>> On 7/18/11 12:10 PM, Josepi wrote:
>>>> Your water may vary in wetness...
>>>>
>>>
>>> Brilliant.
>>
>> http://www.redlineoil.com/product.aspx?pid=74&pcid=10
>>
>> lowers surface tension. technically, it would make water 'wetter'.
>>
>
>Well, that wouldn't be water, now, would it.
>That would be "water plus additive."
>
>That's no different than saying, your water may have more caffeine than
>other water and what you're actually talking about is coffee.
>
>Why am I even explaining this?
compulsion?
heh,, try mine on for size?
http://groups.google.com/groups/search?as_q=&as_epq=&as_oq=&as_eq=&num=100&scoring=&lr=&as_sitesearch=&as_qdr=&as_mind=1&as_minm=1&as_miny=2011&as_maxd=1&as_maxm=1&as_maxy=2011&as_ugroup=&as_usubject=&as_uauthors=chaniarts%40yahoo.com&safe=off
... at a quick look I would offer you got hooked
with a GymmyBob sock.
GB/Bengi/Josepi has a wide selection... and two
computers aided by a single swivel chair.
If you had spent some time in <a.home.repair>
around 2008/9 you would know the ass well.
george
"Josepi" foamed with:
>
>Hard to miss the gang members that jump in with the stupidest bunch of
>garbage one can find to carry on a conversation with himself.
So it is .. so it is.
Just who are you fooling, Gymmy Bob/Bengi/Janice/Eric/'mII'/mHo
POSTED!ec4ccacd!not-for-mail
From: "Josepi" <[email protected]>
Newsgroups: rec.woodworking
Subject: -Mike- uses more than three IDs in same thread - Was (Deck Project - Concrete)
Message-ID: <[email protected]>
From: "m II" <[email protected]>
Newsgroups: rec.woodworking
Subject: George Watson begs for help to embroidery ladies as nymshifted troll
Message-ID: <[email protected]>
jes so you are told.. like.
george
"Gooey" wrote:
>
> Actually, I am not setting posts. Rather U-shaped metal supports
> that
posts fasten to and have a projection or two that is/are embedded in
the pour.
I have my reasons (for this approach) related to how I plan to
attached the beams and joists on this low-level deck and based upon
experience using them on another project.
I've also had success following the directions on the bags of SAKRETE
I get at LOWES - I buy the torn bags for half price.
Thanks to those offering the feedback, suggestions and links. My
project couldn't wait for same, but seems to be setting up (curing,
thank you) quite nicely so far (24 Hours) as I covered the concrete
with plastic and am keeping the surface damp for at least 48 hours
before putting any stress on the fittings embedded therin.
-----------------------------------
Sounds like you were looking for affirmation, not information, and in
the process, wasted the time of those who responded.
Lew
On Wed, 20 Jul 2011 19:54:45 -0400, Nova <[email protected]> wrote:
>On Wed, 20 Jul 2011 11:58:09 -0500, -MIKE- <[email protected]>
>wrote:
>
><snipped>
>>
>>It's kind of a catch-22, anyway. The codes are there because there are
>>too many DIY idiots and fly-by-nighter rednecks building decks with
>>drywall screws and 2x6 "joists." Those decks are the ones that need
>>inspected but never get inspected for various reasons.
>>
>
>Ayup! Recently finished up disassembling and rebuilding a deck that
>collapsed within four months of being built. Ledger was attached to
>the house with deck screws, railings were screwed to a 1" x 10" skirt
>attached by roofing nails??? The guys landscapers built it. I
>advised the landscapers to stick to cutting grass.
That's downright SCARY, Yack.
--
Always bear in mind that your own resolution to
succeed is more important than any one thing.
-- Abraham Lincoln
On Wed, 20 Jul 2011 11:58:09 -0500, -MIKE- <[email protected]>
wrote:
<snipped>
>
>It's kind of a catch-22, anyway. The codes are there because there are
>too many DIY idiots and fly-by-nighter rednecks building decks with
>drywall screws and 2x6 "joists." Those decks are the ones that need
>inspected but never get inspected for various reasons.
>
Ayup! Recently finished up disassembling and rebuilding a deck that
collapsed within four months of being built. Ledger was attached to
the house with deck screws, railings were screwed to a 1" x 10" skirt
attached by roofing nails??? The guys landscapers built it. I
advised the landscapers to stick to cutting grass.
--
Jack Novak
Buffalo, NY - USA
Larry Jaques <[email protected]> wrote:
>On Mon, 18 Jul 2011 12:34:12 -0500, Steve Turner
><[email protected]> wrote:
>
>>On 07/18/2011 12:18 PM, -MIKE- wrote:
>>> On 7/18/11 12:10 PM, Josepi wrote:
>>>> Your water may vary in wetness...
>>>>
>>>
>>> Brilliant.
>>
>>You beat me to it.
>
>Why are you two feeding the damned trolls?
err...how *i s* that working for you, Larry.
You have all the personas Josepi is
using, tagged?
Why am I shaking my head :-/
>Or do you -want- to make into our twit filters, too?
>
Quite appropriate title for the file.
Your "naming convention" is very much a
self made (homemade) initiative.. like some
guys call their vehicles "her" you like to own
your data, put yer name on it, like?
><sigh>
Like that will help a lot:-/
Do get used to the noise, Larry.
It is you "fingers in ears types" who have allowed
and will allow Josepi+* Voice.
Be the victim.
george
Leon <lcb11211@swbelldotnet> wrote:
>On 7/18/2011 12:10 PM, Josepi wrote:
>> Your water may vary in wetness or the package may vary in moisture.
>>
>> Concrete wetness really doesn't matter except for it not getting all
>> mixed (too dry) or too wet and it runs away on you. The consistency is
>> only for your convenience of forming and working with it.
>>
>> Keep in mind concrete does not dry to harden but rather cure. Throw a
>> bag of pre-mixed into the bottom of a river and it will still cure.
>
>Does river water have wetter water than say a lake?
yer really think <r.w> is short on dry trolls?
george
"Lew Hodgett" <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>Thanks to those offering the feedback, suggestions and links. My
>project couldn't wait for same, xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
>-----------------------------------
>Sounds like you were looking for affirmation, not information, and in
>the process, wasted the time of those who responded.
>
>Lew
>
He(?) was at the keyboard whilst the missus
was out doing the mixing (shovel + a sheet of
iron, no doubt), when she hollered "how much
water, honey", Goofy panicked and hit the
"brains Trust".
It was near on nightfall too [18:29:38PDT ] so that
extra effort in waffling on about an imaginary mixer
added the urgency. Goofy wanted <r.w> to know he
was no cheapskate!!
Lew, some advice is coming, well more of a "shheeet
I knew that" kinda thing.
So.
It is rare there is any value in a Google Groups [Gugglers]
post, of anything. Mostly a conglomeration of losers
and dribblers. Up until now I have left my Guggler
Gun holstered. It's getting air, right now.
I suggest those Gugglers who think they may have worth
in <r.w> go get subscribed to a news server.
The one you (Lew) are using is a bewdy.. $10 buys
you 25GB.
http://www.news.astraweb.com/signup.html
Enough to see anyone here through to leaving the remainder
(unused) as an inheritance!
/aims square at Goofy the Guggler
/flicks the hammer
bye Goofy...
/reload
bye Gugglers..
george
Steve Turner <[email protected]> wrote in
news:[email protected]:
>
> I have a feeling the Army Corps of Engineers would never build a dam
> using anything but fully mixed concrete. I would never feel
> comfortable that concrete (in any context) would cure completely and
> with full strength unless it were mixed thoroughly with water from the
> outset.
>
Water's practically free, concrete costs the same per bag whether you add
it or not, so might as well spend the extra time and mix in the water and
be sure it's done. Time spent not repairing your fence can be spent
breaking other things.
Puckdropper
"Eric" Josepi/Bengi/'mII' --Known As-- "Gymmy Bob" wrote:
>"Gooey" wrote in message
>news:87e89661-9dfxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
>
>my WD-40 post was spam, spam, spam
>
>Well, In my defense I did NOT reply so until after 1. reading another
>such assertion on this list and, then 2. Googling a phrase from the
>post and finding a dozen copies posted on the same day.
>
wtf..!!
Your looking at one guy and shouting over his
shoulder to ANOTHER..!
You farkin' weird.. or wot!!
/scratches arse
.. yeh "Gooey is GOOFY" fits well :-D
>"If it walks, like a duck," they say . . .
>
>So, if the WD-40 cheering is, indeed, proper fodder for this
>list . . .
>
>And, I did fail to ad "OT" to my subject line - though I doubt it
>would have mad a great difference in the responses. So, I stand guilty
>as charged.
>
>BTW, what was the charge?
>
>======================
>
>You hereby charged with, and found guilty by association of:
>
>Committing Usenet Format Indecency in a post caused by typing on a keyboard
>,or other input device, consisting of sentence formations with meaning not
>in compliance with the population's subject matter of complete agreement.
>
>Punishment shall consist of a warning, this time, but further infractions or
>usage of words, or sentence structure, larger than most can reasonably
>comprehend without google.ca lookup, or otherwise equivalent, shall result
>in a temporary, of undetermined length, spilt in the attitude of the
>populace with OCD, posting here.
>
>You have been warned.
Found your niche yet again, Josepi/Bengi/'mII'.
There it is in your face.. the post/s you attract
are from Gugglers. I could not put out any better
a descriptor of your incompetence than you
always do.. but right now you are having a
"special moment" with Goofy.
So I leave you tuit.
george
Leon wrote:
>
> Not saying that it does not work any of the time but absolutely not
> all the time. I have witnessed it not working 8 years later when the
> post had a solid concrete top layer but the bottom was still powder. I
> mean really, how much trouble is it to just add water to the mix in
> the hole?
Well - it's not my preferred way. I did it at the urging of a BIL and was
surprised later to see that it worked. After that though, (before digging
it up), I just couldn't get comfortable with the idea, so I always went back
to the old way of adding water. Just made me feel more comfortable. So -
I've seen it work, but I don't know if I'd bank on it every time.
--
-Mike-
[email protected]
On Fri, 22 Jul 2011 02:09:48 GMT, [email protected] (Doug
Miller) wrote:
>In article <[email protected]>, "John P. Bengi" <Pissie@Tazoar=digiTraks=kit=George Watson=Trawley Trash=Venlig Hilsen=silvaMoth=no spam=cHips=mallet.=I.am.a.moron.surprise.invalid> wrote:
>>You have been trolled by George Watson = Pixie = Bluto = hopper = kit =
>>digiTraks, -Mike- = Doug Miller = Leon, ad nauseum.
>
>You are obviously an idiot.
>
><plonk>
But he did get the colors part correct...
"
MY truck is a "her." First, it's smaller than a REAL truck (it's an
S10).
Second, it's painted in a female color, which I am reliably informed is
TEAL. (I would call it green.)
Aside:
We guys know the names of about eight primary colors. Women have more
names
for "tan" than the Eskimos do for "snow."
Absolutely correct.
Gunner
--
Maxim 12: A soft answer turneth away wrath.
Once wrath is looking the other way, shoot it in the head.
FrozenNorth wrote:
>>
> location, location, location...It would have worked in the spring
> here, now not so much, Leon is in a drought area, probably wouldn't
> work so well.
Correct. Ergo m reply. It cannot be flatly stated (as has been...) that
pouring dry mix in the hole will result in less than a complete cure.
--
-Mike-
[email protected]
Steve Turner wrote:
> On 7/19/2011 12:35 PM, Mike Marlow wrote:
>> Steve Turner wrote:
>>> On 7/19/2011 12:02 PM, Mike Marlow wrote:
>>>> Gooey wrote:
>>>>> wasted the time of those who responded.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Lew
>>>>>
>>>>> Well, if the responses had indicated my extra water would kill the
>>>>> project I would have re-done the work. You are correct in that it
>>>>> would have been better all around if I'd asked before I mixed the
>>>>> concrete, but I didn't see the problem/issue until I started to
>>>>> mix the concrete. Catcha-22
>>>>
>>>> So... not to be critical - but, if you follow the directions on the
>>>> product you will usually come out just fine. There are those of us
>>>> who sometimes wonder why people ask obvious questions when 1) the
>>>> directions are very clear, and 2) they are going to go about it
>>>> their own way anyway. Not that our wonder makes us right - it is
>>>> just our wonder. What can I say - we're all just a little screwed
>>>> up in some way...
>>>
>>> Speak for yourself buddy!
>>
>> Correction - all of us but Steve. Geeze, that was embarassing -
>> thanks for the correction Steve. I just hate it when that happens...
>
> You couldn't help it; you're screwed up! I do appreciate the
> clarification though. Now if you'll excuse me, I have to go
> mesmerize some more screwed-up people with my infinite wisdom.
>
> <twitch twitch>
>
> :-)
Oh shit - am I in that thread too? Geezus... this is getting too close to
life with my wife...
--
-Mike-
[email protected]
wasted the time of those who responded.
>
> Lew
Well, if the responses had indicated my extra water would kill the
project I would have re-done the work. You are correct in that it
would have been better all around if I'd asked before I mixed the
concrete, but I didn't see the problem/issue until I started to mix
the concrete. Catcha-22
Leon <lcb11211@swbelldotnet> wrote:
>On 7/20/2011 4:12 PM, George Watson wrote:
>> -MIKE-<[email protected]> wrote:
>>> On 7/20/11 10:05 AM, m II wrote:
>>>> Damns are typically "one pour". It never stops for concrete integrity.
>>>> Some have cooling pipes poured into the structure to slow the curing
>>>> down to permit this by allowing more time to build.
>>>>
>>>
>>> Congratulations, you watch the History Channel.
>>>
>> .... and didn't pay attention to that neither.
>>
>> The reason Josepi/Bengi/'mII'/Eric gives is not the case
>> and likely is "what he heard" just as "what he heard"
>> is why he is is how he is today.
>
>Jeez George you sure post from a lot of different e-mail addresses.
>
how so?
I am using hosts I am subscribed to. So?
.. an' anyway your 'tone' implies a "crime"?
If there is the crux of your post,, explain to
me how it is you are not saying the
same thing to Josepi, or *worse* that edjut is
"nym shifting".. you wise to that?
Hear this Leon.. I know what I am doing.
I am all over this Usenet thing.
It is very clear very few here in <rw> are.
Some will listen and survive the
Gymmy Bob/Josepi/Eric/'mII'
'invasion'.. others will do the hands over ears
thing and thus lead >rw> the same way as
alt.pets.cockatiels (and another) alt.support.
celiac.. to name just two groups which were
MORE ACTIVE
than <rw>. Groups now dead by the hand of
Gymmy Bob/Josepi/Bengi/'mII'/Erich
You*hear* what I am saying, Leon?
george
George Watson wrote:
> Leon<lcb11211@swbelldotnet> wrote:
>> On 7/20/2011 4:12 PM, George Watson wrote:
>>> -MIKE-<[email protected]> wrote:
>>>> On 7/20/11 10:05 AM, m II wrote:
>>>>> Damns are typically "one pour". It never stops for concrete integrity.
>>>>> Some have cooling pipes poured into the structure to slow the curing
>>>>> down to permit this by allowing more time to build.
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Congratulations, you watch the History Channel.
>>>>
>>> .... and didn't pay attention to that neither.
>>>
>>> The reason Josepi/Bengi/'mII'/Eric gives is not the case
>>> and likely is "what he heard" just as "what he heard"
>>> is why he is is how he is today.
>>
>> Jeez George you sure post from a lot of different e-mail addresses.
>>
> how so?
> I am using hosts I am subscribed to. So?
>
> .. an' anyway your 'tone' implies a "crime"?
> If there is the crux of your post,, explain to
> me how it is you are not saying the
> same thing to Josepi, or *worse* that edjut is
> "nym shifting".. you wise to that?
>
> Hear this Leon.. I know what I am doing.
> I am all over this Usenet thing.
> It is very clear very few here in<rw> are.
>
> Some will listen and survive the
> Gymmy Bob/Josepi/Eric/'mII'
> 'invasion'.. others will do the hands over ears
> thing and thus lead>rw> the same way as
> alt.pets.cockatiels (and another) alt.support.
> celiac.. to name just two groups which were
> MORE ACTIVE
> than<rw>. Groups now dead by the hand of
> Gymmy Bob/Josepi/Bengi/'mII'/Erich
>
> You*hear* what I am saying, Leon?
> george
Man, you need to learn to write. And I hope everyone will just
be themselves so I can provide due respect. It's challenging enough
as it is. And what the hell is edjut?
On 7/20/2011 6:39 PM, George Watson wrote:
> Leon<lcb11211@swbelldotnet> wrote:
>> On 7/20/2011 4:12 PM, George Watson wrote:
>>> -MIKE-<[email protected]> wrote:
>>>> On 7/20/11 10:05 AM, m II wrote:
>>>>> Damns are typically "one pour". It never stops for concrete integrity.
>>>>> Some have cooling pipes poured into the structure to slow the curing
>>>>> down to permit this by allowing more time to build.
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Congratulations, you watch the History Channel.
>>>>
>>> .... and didn't pay attention to that neither.
>>>
>>> The reason Josepi/Bengi/'mII'/Eric gives is not the case
>>> and likely is "what he heard" just as "what he heard"
>>> is why he is is how he is today.
>>
>> Jeez George you sure post from a lot of different e-mail addresses.
>>
> how so?
> I am using hosts I am subscribed to. So?
Just curious why you use so many different e-mail addresses to post to
this news group.
>
> .. an' anyway your 'tone' implies a "crime"?
No, do you feel guilty about something?
> If there is the crux of your post,, explain to
> me how it is you are not saying the
> same thing to Josepi, or *worse* that edjut is
> "nym shifting".. you wise to that?
You seem to have a handle on that pissing contest, no need for me to get
involved.
>
> Hear this Leon.. I know what I am doing.
Obviously
> I am all over this Usenet thing.
> It is very clear very few here in<rw> are.
>
> Some will listen and survive the
> Gymmy Bob/Josepi/Eric/'mII'
> 'invasion'.. others will do the hands over ears
> thing and thus lead>rw> the same way as
> alt.pets.cockatiels (and another) alt.support.
> celiac.. to name just two groups which were
> MORE ACTIVE
> than<rw>. Groups now dead by the hand of
> Gymmy Bob/Josepi/Bengi/'mII'/Erich
They are simply the latest wave to come through, like you being relative
new to this group. I don't recall you being here under your present
name 3-4-5-6-7-8-9-10 years ago. They will eventually go on their way
like the many before them and the rec. will continue as it has done in
the past.
>
> You*hear* what I am saying, Leon?
> george
I hear you but know differently.
my WD-40 post was spam, spam, spam
Well, In my defense I did NOT reply so until after 1. reading another
such assertion on this list and, then 2. Googling a phrase from the
post and finding a dozen copies posted on the same day.
"If it walks, like a duck," they say . . .
So, if the WD-40 cheering is, indeed, proper fodder for this
list . . .
And, I did fail to ad "OT" to my subject line - though I doubt it
would have mad a great difference in the responses. So, I stand guilty
as charged.
BTW, what was the charge?
Leon wrote:
> On 7/19/2011 1:07 PM, Josepi wrote:
>> Don't worry about the troll responses. Just don't feed them by giving
>> audience.
>>
>> The group is a success is indicated when you get these fools. They
>> will always find something to poke at even if it is with the way you
>> type your period character, at the end of your sentence....too much
>> pressure or too little pressure on your keyboard, etc....
>>
>> I have poured premixed concrete into a hole, dry, and walked away,
>> if it will rain in the next day or so. It works just fine and you
>> seem to know what you are doing.
>
> And what if it does not rain in a day or so? Kind of a stupid gamble.
Well - I've dont it both ways. Obviously, the premixed concrete was well
set up. Likewise though, the dry bags were equally set up after a couple of
years. Couple of years only applies because that's when I had cause to dig
around them again. Don't know how soon it actually happened, but I suspect
it was by the next spring.
--
-Mike-
[email protected]
You have been trolled by George Watson = Pixie = Bluto = hopper = kit =
digiTraks, -Mike- = Doug Miller = Leon, ad nauseum.
Note how he has wasted your time (in typical troll fashion) by getting you
to respond to another group like an adolescent child? He has discovered
Usenet posting headers, lately and pulls his childish pranks for attention.
He thinks it makes him a "Usenet guru" (his words)
Always check everything from this complete asshole before responding. Better
yet put this Kangaroo POS (American, Dutch or English or Canuck, depending
on group & personality) garbage in your bozobin
--
"HeyBub" wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
George Watson wrote:
>>
> Quite appropriate title for the file.
> Your "naming convention" is very much a
> self made (homemade) initiative.. like some
> guys call their vehicles "her" you like to own
> your data, put yer name on it, like?
>
MY truck is a "her." First, it's smaller than a REAL truck (it's an S10).
Second, it's painted in a female color, which I am reliably informed is
TEAL. (I would call it green.)
Aside:
We guys know the names of about eight primary colors. Women have more names
for "tan" than the Eskimos do for "snow."
Gooey wrote the following:
> On Jul 18, 6:53 pm, Steve Barker <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>> On 7/18/2011 5:10 AM, Ed Pawlowski wrote:
>>
>>
> "Most posts don't need concrete anyway if they are of proper depth."
>
The posts in this thread certainly don't need concrete. The thread is
getting pretty deep without it.
> Actually, I am not setting posts. Rather U-shaped metal supports that
> posts fasten to and have a projection or two that is/are embedded in
> the pour.
>
> I have my reasons (for this approach) related to how I plan to
> attached the beams and joists on this low-level deck and based upon
> experience using them on another project.
>
> I've also had success following the directions on the bags of SAKRETE
> I get at LOWES - I buy the torn bags for half price.
>
> Thanks to those offering the feedback, suggestions and links. My
> project couldn't wait for same, but seems to be setting up (curing,
> thank you) quite nicely so far (24 Hours) as I covered the concrete
> with plastic and am keeping the surface damp for at least 48 hours
> before putting any stress on the fittings embedded therin.
>
--
Bill
In Hamptonburgh, NY
In the original Orange County. Est. 1683
To email, remove the double zeroes after @
Josepi wrote the following:
> Don't worry about the troll responses. Just don't feed them by giving
> audience.
>
> The group is a success is indicated when you get these fools. They
> will always find something to poke at even if it is with the way you
> type your period character, at the end of your sentence....too much
> pressure or too little pressure on your keyboard, etc....
>
> I have poured premixed concrete into a hole, dry, and walked away, if
> it will rain in the next day or so. It works just fine and you seem to
> know what you are doing.
>
> Have a good one!
It's what my fence company did when they installed my 15 - 6' h x 8' w
wooden fence posts. They only poured dry concrete in the corner posts
and the posts that hold the gate hinges. All the rest were just buried
without any concrete at all. It's been 25 years since.
--
Bill
In Hamptonburgh, NY
In the original Orange County. Est. 1683
To email, remove the double zeroes after @
Don't worry about the troll responses. Just don't feed them by giving
audience.
The group is a success is indicated when you get these fools. They will
always find something to poke at even if it is with the way you type your
period character, at the end of your sentence....too much pressure or too
little pressure on your keyboard, etc....
I have poured premixed concrete into a hole, dry, and walked away, if it
will rain in the next day or so. It works just fine and you seem to know
what you are doing.
Have a good one!
---------
"Gooey" wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
Well, if the responses had indicated my extra water would kill the
project I would have re-done the work. You are correct in that it
would have been better all around if I'd asked before I mixed the
concrete, but I didn't see the problem/issue until I started to mix
the concrete. Catcha-22
Leon <lcb11211@swbelldotnet> wrote:
>On 7/20/2011 6:39 PM, George Watson wrote:
>> Leon<lcb11211@swbelldotnet> wrote:
>>> On 7/20/2011 4:12 PM, George Watson wrote:
>>>> -MIKE-<[email protected]> wrote:
>>>>> On 7/20/11 10:05 AM, m II wrote:
>>>>>> Damns are typically "one pour". It never stops for concrete integrity.
>>>>>> Some have cooling pipes poured into the structure to slow the curing
>>>>>> down to permit this by allowing more time to build.
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Congratulations, you watch the History Channel.
>>>>>
>>>> .... and didn't pay attention to that neither.
>>>>
>>>> The reason Josepi/Bengi/'mII'/Eric gives is not the case
>>>> and likely is "what he heard" just as "what he heard"
>>>> is why he is is how he is today.
>>>
>>> Jeez George you sure post from a lot of different e-mail addresses.
>>>
>> how so?
>> I am using hosts I am subscribed to. So?
>
>Just curious why you use so many different e-mail addresses to post to
>this news group.
>
errr.. why would that make you curious?
ftr?
IIRC I have only ever published a single
valid eMail address here in <r.w> and that was
some years ago now.
>>
>> .. an' anyway your 'tone' implies a "crime"?
>
>No, do you feel guilty about something?
>
heh.. "let he who has small stones cast the first one.".
THAT's a "crime".
tip?
pack up yer slingshot.. aint no agro at this desk :-D
>
>> If there is the crux of your post,, explain to
>> me how it is you are not saying the
>> same thing to Josepi, or *worse* that edjut is
>> "nym shifting".. you wise to that?
>
>You seem to have a handle on that pissing
>contest, no need for me to get
>involved.
>
the latter is true.. in any way. Best if you
do not understand what is going on don't
get involved.
'gin, like... ftr.
There aint no "pissing contest" happening.
There is a cold calculated strategy in
training, happening.
>
>>
>> Hear this Leon.. I know what I am doing.
>
>Obviously
>
Thanks.
/tips hat
>> I am all over this Usenet thing.
>> It is very clear very few here in<rw> are.
>>
>> Some will listen and survive the
>> Gymmy Bob/Josepi/Eric/'mII'
>> 'invasion'.. others will do the hands over ears
>> thing and thus lead>rw> the same way as
>> alt.pets.cockatiels (and another) alt.support.
>> celiac.. to name just two groups which were
>> MORE ACTIVE
>> than<rw>. Groups now dead by the hand of
>> Gymmy Bob/Josepi/Bengi/'mII'/Erich
>
>
>They are simply the latest wave to come through, like you being relative
>new to this group.
>
True and Wrong.
In fact me and <r.w> get back to 2004.
But yes.. Josepi/Begi/Eric/'mII' essentially
moved here to <r.w> from <a.h.repair> and
the cross-posting of that "Gunner" tosser
in the metal groups.
>I don't recall you being here under your present
>name 3-4-5-6-7-8-9-10 years ago.
>
No.. 'cos times have changed.
>They will eventually go on their way
>like the many before them and the rec.
>will continue as it has done in
>the past.
No... n' No.. 'cos times have changed.
You missed that thread a while back on
other "social media" sites being touted as
an alternative to Usenet?
^^^^^From: "David F. Eisan" <[email protected]>
^^^^^Newsgroups: rec.woodworking
^^^^^Subject: Who is on Facebook?
^^^^^Date: Mon, 16 May 2011 07:45:32 -0400
^^^^^Message-ID: <[email protected]>
>>
>> You*hear* what I am saying, Leon?
>> george
>
>I hear you but know differently.
>
.. an' there is why I am here, posting.
Times have changed. Josepi/Bengi.Eric/'mII'
are "stuff" you do not know, stuff that will
harm the environment you, I, and others, do
enjoy as a place to swap BS and "chow down"
on tips and clues for a hobby/discipline enjoyed.
There is a price to pay to keep things that way.
I am the accountant - believe.
And I am licenced "to carry'... and badged <G>
thanks for the space.
george
Bill <[email protected]> wrote:
>George Watson wrote:
>> Leon<lcb11211@swbelldotnet> wrote:
>>> On 7/20/2011 4:12 PM, George Watson wrote:
>>>> -MIKE-<[email protected]> wrote:
>>>>> On 7/20/11 10:05 AM, m II wrote:
>>>>>> Damns are typically "one pour". It never stops for concrete integrity.
>>>>>> Some have cooling pipes poured into the structure to slow the curing
>>>>>> down to permit this by allowing more time to build.
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Congratulations, you watch the History Channel.
>>>>>
>>>> .... and didn't pay attention to that neither.
>>>>
>>>> The reason Josepi/Bengi/'mII'/Eric gives is not the case
>>>> and likely is "what he heard" just as "what he heard"
>>>> is why he is is how he is today.
>>>
>>> Jeez George you sure post from a lot of different e-mail addresses.
>>>
>> how so?
>> I am using hosts I am subscribed to. So?
>>
>> .. an' anyway your 'tone' implies a "crime"?
>> If there is the crux of your post,, explain to
>> me how it is you are not saying the
>> same thing to Josepi, or *worse* that edjut is
>> "nym shifting".. you wise to that?
>>
>> Hear this Leon.. I know what I am doing.
>> I am all over this Usenet thing.
>> It is very clear very few here in<rw> are.
>>
>> Some will listen and survive the
>> Gymmy Bob/Josepi/Eric/'mII'
>> 'invasion'.. others will do the hands over ears
>> thing and thus lead>rw> the same way as
>> alt.pets.cockatiels (and another) alt.support.
>> celiac.. to name just two groups which were
>> MORE ACTIVE
>> than<rw>. Groups now dead by the hand of
>> Gymmy Bob/Josepi/Bengi/'mII'/Erich
>>
>> You*hear* what I am saying, Leon?
>> george
>
>Man, you need to learn to write.
>
Yeh?
You got any news I aint heard just yesterday?
>And I hope everyone will just
>be themselves so I can provide due respect.
>It's challenging enough
>as it is.
>And what the hell is edjut?
>
Your TB is busted?
You do have a search engine loaded?
No?
Well never mind.
Use the URL to get yourself some education, Bud.
http://groups.google.com/groups/search?as_q=edjut&as_epq=&as_oq=&as_eq=&num=100&scoring=&lr=&as_sitesearch=&as_qdr=&as_mind=1&as_minm=1&as_miny=2011&as_maxd=1&as_maxm=1&as_maxy=2011&as_ugroup=&as_usubject=&as_uauthors=&safe=off
george
On 7/20/2011 8:53 PM, George Watson wrote:
> Leon<lcb11211@swbelldotnet> wrote:
>> On 7/20/2011 6:39 PM, George Watson wrote:
>>> Leon<lcb11211@swbelldotnet> wrote:
>>>> On 7/20/2011 4:12 PM, George Watson wrote:
>>>>> -MIKE-<[email protected]> wrote:
>>>>>> On 7/20/11 10:05 AM, m II wrote:
>>>>>>> Damns are typically "one pour". It never stops for concrete integrity.
>>>>>>> Some have cooling pipes poured into the structure to slow the curing
>>>>>>> down to permit this by allowing more time to build.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Congratulations, you watch the History Channel.
>>>>>>
>>>>> .... and didn't pay attention to that neither.
>>>>>
>>>>> The reason Josepi/Bengi/'mII'/Eric gives is not the case
>>>>> and likely is "what he heard" just as "what he heard"
>>>>> is why he is is how he is today.
>>>>
>>>> Jeez George you sure post from a lot of different e-mail addresses.
>>>>
>>> how so?
>>> I am using hosts I am subscribed to. So?
>>
>> Just curious why you use so many different e-mail addresses to post to
>> this news group.
>>
> errr.. why would that make you curious?
>
> ftr?
> IIRC I have only ever published a single
> valid eMail address here in<r.w> and that was
> some years ago now.
>
>>>
>>> .. an' anyway your 'tone' implies a "crime"?
>>
>> No, do you feel guilty about something?
>>
> heh.. "let he who has small stones cast the first one.".
>
> THAT's a "crime".
>
> tip?
> pack up yer slingshot.. aint no agro at this desk :-D
>
>>
>>> If there is the crux of your post,, explain to
>>> me how it is you are not saying the
>>> same thing to Josepi, or *worse* that edjut is
>>> "nym shifting".. you wise to that?
>>
>> You seem to have a handle on that pissing
>> contest, no need for me to get
>> involved.
>>
> the latter is true.. in any way. Best if you
> do not understand what is going on don't
> get involved.
>
> 'gin, like... ftr.
> There aint no "pissing contest" happening.
> There is a cold calculated strategy in
> training, happening.
>
>>
>>>
>>> Hear this Leon.. I know what I am doing.
>>
>> Obviously
>>
> Thanks.
>
> /tips hat
>
>>> I am all over this Usenet thing.
>>> It is very clear very few here in<rw> are.
>>>
>>> Some will listen and survive the
>>> Gymmy Bob/Josepi/Eric/'mII'
>>> 'invasion'.. others will do the hands over ears
>>> thing and thus lead>rw> the same way as
>>> alt.pets.cockatiels (and another) alt.support.
>>> celiac.. to name just two groups which were
>>> MORE ACTIVE
>>> than<rw>. Groups now dead by the hand of
>>> Gymmy Bob/Josepi/Bengi/'mII'/Erich
>>
>>
>> They are simply the latest wave to come through, like you being relative
>> new to this group.
>>
> True and Wrong.
> In fact me and<r.w> get back to 2004.
>
> But yes.. Josepi/Begi/Eric/'mII' essentially
> moved here to<r.w> from<a.h.repair> and
> the cross-posting of that "Gunner" tosser
> in the metal groups.
>
>> I don't recall you being here under your present
>> name 3-4-5-6-7-8-9-10 years ago.
>>
> No.. 'cos times have changed.
>
>> They will eventually go on their way
>> like the many before them and the rec.
>> will continue as it has done in
>> the past.
> No... n' No.. 'cos times have changed.
>
> You missed that thread a while back on
> other "social media" sites being touted as
> an alternative to Usenet?
>
> ^^^^^From: "David F. Eisan"<[email protected]>
> ^^^^^Newsgroups: rec.woodworking
> ^^^^^Subject: Who is on Facebook?
> ^^^^^Date: Mon, 16 May 2011 07:45:32 -0400
> ^^^^^Message-ID:<[email protected]>
>>>
>>> You*hear* what I am saying, Leon?
>>> george
>>
>> I hear you but know differently.
>>
> .. an' there is why I am here, posting.
>
> Times have changed. Josepi/Bengi.Eric/'mII'
> are "stuff" you do not know, stuff that will
> harm the environment you, I, and others, do
> enjoy as a place to swap BS and "chow down"
> on tips and clues for a hobby/discipline enjoyed.
>
> There is a price to pay to keep things that way.
> I am the accountant - believe.
> And I am licenced "to carry'... and badged<G>
>
> thanks for the space.
> george
>
> >
George, take no offense with this request, could you publish a Ausy
dictionary so we can understand some of your terminology> :~)
On Wed, 20 Jul 2011 19:33:32 -0500, Leon <lcb11211@swbelldotnet>
wrote:
>>> Jeez George you sure post from a lot of different e-mail addresses.
>Just curious why you use so many different e-mail addresses to post to
>this news group.
He might be using one of those programs that scrambles email addresses
to prevent backtracking. Can't say how they work exactly, but there's
several of them out there that do similar email address protection.
On Wed, 20 Jul 2011 19:33:32 -0500, Leon <lcb11211@swbelldotnet>
wrote:
>On 7/20/2011 6:39 PM, George Watson wrote:
>> Leon<lcb11211@swbelldotnet> wrote:
>>> On 7/20/2011 4:12 PM, George Watson wrote:
>>>> -MIKE-<[email protected]> wrote:
>>>>> On 7/20/11 10:05 AM, m II wrote:
>>>>>> Damns are typically "one pour". It never stops for concrete integrity.
>>>>>> Some have cooling pipes poured into the structure to slow the curing
>>>>>> down to permit this by allowing more time to build.
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Congratulations, you watch the History Channel.
>>>>>
>>>> .... and didn't pay attention to that neither.
>>>>
>>>> The reason Josepi/Bengi/'mII'/Eric gives is not the case
>>>> and likely is "what he heard" just as "what he heard"
>>>> is why he is is how he is today.
>>>
>>> Jeez George you sure post from a lot of different e-mail addresses.
So put him in the bozo bin with josepi. I did that a couple weeks ago.
Mike just joined him tonight after I saw the third reply to a known
troll by him today. I'm happier and happier.
You, too, can learn to twit filter, _please_.
--
Always bear in mind that your own resolution to
succeed is more important than any one thing.
-- Abraham Lincoln
On 7/21/2011 7:12 AM, Leon wrote:
> George, take no offense with this request, could you publish a Ausy
> dictionary so we can understand some of your terminology> :~)
What's the problem ... every word is English? :)
Having lived in Oz for a while, have no problem understanding him at
all, but if you got him to shout you a few in a pub, you'd sound just
like him. ;)
--
www.e-woodshop.net
Last update: 4/15/2010
KarlC@ (the obvious)
On 7/19/2011 2:34 PM, Mike Marlow wrote:
> Leon wrote:
>> On 7/19/2011 1:07 PM, Josepi wrote:
>>> Don't worry about the troll responses. Just don't feed them by giving
>>> audience.
>>>
>>> The group is a success is indicated when you get these fools. They
>>> will always find something to poke at even if it is with the way you
>>> type your period character, at the end of your sentence....too much
>>> pressure or too little pressure on your keyboard, etc....
>>>
>>> I have poured premixed concrete into a hole, dry, and walked away,
>>> if it will rain in the next day or so. It works just fine and you
>>> seem to know what you are doing.
>>
>> And what if it does not rain in a day or so? Kind of a stupid gamble.
>
> Well - I've dont it both ways. Obviously, the premixed concrete was well
> set up. Likewise though, the dry bags were equally set up after a couple of
> years. Couple of years only applies because that's when I had cause to dig
> around them again. Don't know how soon it actually happened, but I suspect
> it was by the next spring.
>
Not saying that it does not work any of the time but absolutely not all
the time. I have witnessed it not working 8 years later when the post
had a solid concrete top layer but the bottom was still powder. I mean
really, how much trouble is it to just add water to the mix in the hole?
On 7/19/2011 3:17 PM, FrozenNorth wrote:
> On 7/19/11 4:13 PM, Mike Marlow wrote:
>> -MIKE- wrote:
>>> On 7/19/11 2:08 PM, Leon wrote:
>>>> On 7/19/2011 1:07 PM, Josepi wrote:
>>>>> Don't worry about the troll responses. Just don't feed them by
>>>>> giving audience.
>>>>>
>>>>> The group is a success is indicated when you get these fools. They
>>>>> will always find something to poke at even if it is with the way
>>>>> you type your period character, at the end of your sentence....too
>>>>> much pressure or too little pressure on your keyboard, etc....
>>>>>
>>>>> I have poured premixed concrete into a hole, dry, and walked away,
>>>>> if it will rain in the next day or so. It works just fine and you
>>>>> seem to know what you are doing.
>>>>
>>>> And what if it does not rain in a day or so? Kind of a stupid gamble.
>>>
>>> That and the fact that what really happens is you get a crispy shell
>>> of cured concrete covering the dry powder concrete on the inside.
>>
>> I have to disagree. I have dug up posts that I've put in the ground and
>> found the dry mix to be a solid mass as if I had poured it. it depends on
>> the moisture of the ground.
>>
> location, location, location...It would have worked in the spring here,
> now not so much, Leon is in a drought area, probably wouldn't work so well.
>
Leon in in an area that gets an average or 36" per year. If you have
clay soil like we do in Houston the clay will absorb the water, suck it
out of the concrete.
On 7/19/2011 2:35 PM, -MIKE- wrote:
> On 7/19/11 2:08 PM, Leon wrote:
>> On 7/19/2011 1:07 PM, Josepi wrote:
>>> Don't worry about the troll responses. Just don't feed them by giving
>>> audience.
>>>
>>> The group is a success is indicated when you get these fools. They will
>>> always find something to poke at even if it is with the way you type
>>> your period character, at the end of your sentence....too much pressure
>>> or too little pressure on your keyboard, etc....
>>>
>>> I have poured premixed concrete into a hole, dry, and walked away, if it
>>> will rain in the next day or so. It works just fine and you seem to know
>>> what you are doing.
>>
>> And what if it does not rain in a day or so? Kind of a stupid gamble.
>
> That and the fact that what really happens is you get a crispy shell of
> cured concrete covering the dry powder concrete on the inside.
>
>
Exactly!
On 7/19/2011 8:23 PM, Mike Marlow wrote:
> Leon wrote:
>
>>
>> Not saying that it does not work any of the time but absolutely not
>> all the time. I have witnessed it not working 8 years later when the
>> post had a solid concrete top layer but the bottom was still powder. I
>> mean really, how much trouble is it to just add water to the mix in
>> the hole?
>
> Well - it's not my preferred way. I did it at the urging of a BIL and was
> surprised later to see that it worked. After that though, (before digging
> it up), I just couldn't get comfortable with the idea, so I always went back
> to the old way of adding water. Just made me feel more comfortable. So -
> I've seen it work, but I don't know if I'd bank on it every time.
>
I have probably seen it work but have certainly seen it fail for what
ever reason. I'm from the school of thought, do it as instructed.
On 7/18/2011 5:53 PM, Steve Barker wrote:
> On 7/18/2011 5:10 AM, Ed Pawlowski wrote:
>>
>> "Larry Jaques" <[email protected]> wrote
>>> It _very_ likely didn't. I've seen idiots fill holes with water, toss
>>> in the 4x4, dump in a bag of crete, stir with the 4x4, then set
>>> vertical. The resultant lump 'o crete was nice and solid the week
>>> after. I was fairly surprised. Do try to use as little water as
>>> possible, though.
>>>
>>
>> Sakrete makes a no-mix fence post formula. They also make a lightweight
>> aggregate mix.
>
> i use the regular sakrete, put in dry. it'll rain eventually. works
> great. Most posts don't need concrete anyway if they are of proper depth.
>
I have probably built 30-40 fences. I replaced one a few years ago, we
were able to simply pull the posts out of the ground with out digging or
working the posts back and forth. The previous installer used the wait
till rain technique. 8 years later the concrete was still uncured and
powdery just like it came out of the bag.
Apparently the top got a little wet, cured, and shielded the remainder.
That fence failed about 12 years too early due to laziness
Ohhh... the tension goes deep into the roots of the group, not just the
surface.
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"chaniarts" wrote in message news:[email protected]...
http://www.redlineoil.com/product.aspx?pid=74&pcid=10
lowers surface tension. technically, it would make water 'wetter'.
On Jul 18, 6:53=A0pm, Steve Barker <[email protected]> wrote:
> On 7/18/2011 5:10 AM, Ed Pawlowski wrote:
>
"Most posts don't need concrete anyway if they are of proper depth."
Actually, I am not setting posts. Rather U-shaped metal supports that
posts fasten to and have a projection or two that is/are embedded in
the pour.
I have my reasons (for this approach) related to how I plan to
attached the beams and joists on this low-level deck and based upon
experience using them on another project.
I've also had success following the directions on the bags of SAKRETE
I get at LOWES - I buy the torn bags for half price.
Thanks to those offering the feedback, suggestions and links. My
project couldn't wait for same, but seems to be setting up (curing,
thank you) quite nicely so far (24 Hours) as I covered the concrete
with plastic and am keeping the surface damp for at least 48 hours
before putting any stress on the fittings embedded therin.
-MIKE- <[email protected]> wrote:
>On 7/20/11 10:05 AM, m II wrote:
>> Damns are typically "one pour". It never stops for concrete integrity.
>> Some have cooling pipes poured into the structure to slow the curing
>> down to permit this by allowing more time to build.
>>
>
>Congratulations, you watch the History Channel.
>
.... and didn't pay attention to that neither.
The reason Josepi/Bengi/'mII'/Eric gives is not the case
and likely is "what he heard" just as "what he heard"
is why he is is how he is today.
The guy has never done more than second string labour
toil, probably in "sales", given the volumes of BS coming
from that corner.. ergo.. he watches not does. Inventive
construction is beyond his horizon.
The guy who points and exclaims.
"Farrkk would you look at that!".
Pouring(?) concrete "cold" is done for structural engineering
outcomes and in fact is topical for <r.w> as it has to do
with formwork.
Formwork made from sheet ply.. I aint sure what you
guys know that stuff by. This stuff "sounds like" the good gear.
http://www.mccauseylumber.com/ppcfp.html
whatever... jes saying - as you have - the edjut is FOS as
per usual.
george
George Watson <[email protected]> wrote:
>Markem <[email protected]> wrote:
>>On Wed, 20 Jul 2011 09:08:46 -0500, Steve Turner
>><[email protected]> wrote:
>>
>>>I have a feeling the Army Corps of Engineers would never build a dam using
>>>anything but fully mixed concrete. I would never feel comfortable that
>>>concrete (in any context) would cure completely and with full strength unless
>>>it were mixed thoroughly with water from the outset.
>>
>>I know they have used just plan dirt in a few dams.
>
>Indeed.
>Although not as "plain" as plain dirt.
>Known as "saddle dams" in Aussie,
>these are a complex structure designed primarily
>for cheap(er) construction in areas where there is
>no great expectation of flow from the
>floodplain/catchment.
>Then there are "Turkey Nest" dams which we (.au)
>use extensively for stock (and often domestic)
>water on Stations (ranches) in the "Outback".
>Any more..?
>http://www.dogpile.com/dogpile/ws/results/Web/Saddle%20Dam%20Construction%20technique/1/417/TopNavigation/Relevance/iq=true/zoom=off/_iceUrlFlag=7?_IceUrl=true
>george
[update]
Markem <[email protected]> do
just check the newsgroup header(line) in any
response.
"followup-to" is set in error.
tks
george
On 7/20/2011 4:12 PM, George Watson wrote:
> -MIKE-<[email protected]> wrote:
>> On 7/20/11 10:05 AM, m II wrote:
>>> Damns are typically "one pour". It never stops for concrete integrity.
>>> Some have cooling pipes poured into the structure to slow the curing
>>> down to permit this by allowing more time to build.
>>>
>>
>> Congratulations, you watch the History Channel.
>>
> .... and didn't pay attention to that neither.
>
> The reason Josepi/Bengi/'mII'/Eric gives is not the case
> and likely is "what he heard" just as "what he heard"
> is why he is is how he is today.
Jeez George you sure post from a lot of different e-mail addresses.
On Wed, 20 Jul 2011 06:30:00 -0500, Leon <lcb11211@swbelldotnet>
wrote:
>On 7/19/2011 11:09 PM, Larry Jaques wrote:
>> On Tue, 19 Jul 2011 18:51:41 -0500, Leon<lcb11211@swbelldotnet>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> On 7/19/2011 2:35 PM, -MIKE- wrote:
>>>> On 7/19/11 2:08 PM, Leon wrote:
>>>>> On 7/19/2011 1:07 PM, Josepi wrote:
>>>>>> Don't worry about the troll responses. Just don't feed them by giving
>>>>>> audience.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> The group is a success is indicated when you get these fools. They will
>>>>>> always find something to poke at even if it is with the way you type
>>>>>> your period character, at the end of your sentence....too much pressure
>>>>>> or too little pressure on your keyboard, etc....
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I have poured premixed concrete into a hole, dry, and walked away, if it
>>>>>> will rain in the next day or so. It works just fine and you seem to know
>>>>>> what you are doing.
>>>>>
>>>>> And what if it does not rain in a day or so? Kind of a stupid gamble.
>>>>
>>>> That and the fact that what really happens is you get a crispy shell of
>>>> cured concrete covering the dry powder concrete on the inside.
>>>>
>>> Exactly!
>>
>> Concrete is ery porous. The second time it got wet, the next layer
>> would be wet and set. Repeat a dozen times and the whole thing is set.
>> My question would be "How well does each layer stick to the other?"
>
>Concrete "is" very porous however soil can be much more porous. If the
>surrounding soil is more porous the water is going to go to the soil vs.
>concrete. Add to that the thicker the concrete the more the water has
>to penetrate to get to the uncured section. It is important that the
>concrete next to the post be cured, If it takes 4 or 5 rains to cure
>everything you have movement from the fence post that will open the
>hole that the post is in and then what is the point of using concrete at
>all.
Precisely. But concrete is like a sponge. It holds water and
transfers it to the next particle as long as there is enough to pass
on.
I most certainly wasn't espousing the "no water" method. Gawd! But I
was belaying the thought that the concrete next to the post would
never get water. It would, after a few good rains, lawns being
watered, deck washings, etc.
I've never done a dry pour, either, but a fence would be the place to
try that if anything. Never a deck footing!
--
Progress is the product of human agency. Things get better because we
make them better. Things go wrong when we get too comfortable, when we
fail to take risks or seize opportunities.
-- Susan Rice
On Wed, 20 Jul 2011 02:55:51 -0400, "Morgans"
<[email protected]> wrote:
>
>> And then there is that pesky matter of building code that says decks
>> gotta have a 2 square foot concrete footer for the post to sit on, and 3
>> feet of concreted post to lessen lateral bracing requirements.
>>
>> -- Jim in NC
>
>Codes? When does anyone follow codes? :-)
>
>People like contractors who would like to pass inspections, so they can get
>paid for their work, for one. ;-)
So they don't get sued when the deck sinks into the swamp, or breaks
away from the house during a BBQ party.
--
Progress is the product of human agency. Things get better because we
make them better. Things go wrong when we get too comfortable, when we
fail to take risks or seize opportunities.
-- Susan Rice
Concrete on fence posts tends to accelerate the rotting process of the wood
and can give the frost something to get ahold of for lift in the spring.
There are prefab concrete piers with a slope on them (smaller at the top)
for support posts to sit from below the frost level that will stop the frost
lift from getting hold of them and lifting. I built a cedar fence once and
the mistake of that is the frost lifts the fence, due to being so light
weight. I had to pound it back down after the frost was out of the ground
and left the stain marks about three inches in the air above the ground
level, every spring. Need the weight of the cheaper lumber to keep the posts
down into the ground. A shallow concrete sleeve can make the problem worse.
--
Send in the clones.
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"willshak" wrote in message
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It's what my fence company did when they installed my 15 - 6' h x 8' w
wooden fence posts. They only poured dry concrete in the corner posts
and the posts that hold the gate hinges. All the rest were just buried
without any concrete at all. It's been 25 years since.
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Josepi wrote the following:
Don't worry about the troll responses. Just don't feed them by giving
audience.
The group is a success is indicated when you get these fools. They
will always find something to poke at even if it is with the way you
type your period character, at the end of your sentence....too much
pressure or too little pressure on your keyboard, etc....
I have poured premixed concrete into a hole, dry, and walked away, if
it will rain in the next day or so. It works just fine and you seem to
know what you are doing.
Have a good one!
Steve Turner wrote:
> On 7/19/2011 12:02 PM, Mike Marlow wrote:
>> Gooey wrote:
>>> wasted the time of those who responded.
>>>>
>>>> Lew
>>>
>>> Well, if the responses had indicated my extra water would kill the
>>> project I would have re-done the work. You are correct in that it
>>> would have been better all around if I'd asked before I mixed the
>>> concrete, but I didn't see the problem/issue until I started to mix
>>> the concrete. Catcha-22
>>
>> So... not to be critical - but, if you follow the directions on the
>> product you will usually come out just fine. There are those of us
>> who sometimes wonder why people ask obvious questions when 1) the
>> directions are very clear, and 2) they are going to go about it
>> their own way anyway. Not that our wonder makes us right - it is
>> just our wonder. What can I say - we're all just a little screwed
>> up in some way...
>
> Speak for yourself buddy!
Correction - all of us but Steve. Geeze, that was embarassing - thanks for
the correction Steve. I just hate it when that happens...
--
-Mike-
[email protected]
-MIKE- wrote:
> On 7/19/11 2:08 PM, Leon wrote:
>> On 7/19/2011 1:07 PM, Josepi wrote:
>>> Don't worry about the troll responses. Just don't feed them by
>>> giving audience.
>>>
>>> The group is a success is indicated when you get these fools. They
>>> will always find something to poke at even if it is with the way
>>> you type your period character, at the end of your sentence....too
>>> much pressure or too little pressure on your keyboard, etc....
>>>
>>> I have poured premixed concrete into a hole, dry, and walked away,
>>> if it will rain in the next day or so. It works just fine and you
>>> seem to know what you are doing.
>>
>> And what if it does not rain in a day or so? Kind of a stupid gamble.
>
> That and the fact that what really happens is you get a crispy shell
> of cured concrete covering the dry powder concrete on the inside.
I have to disagree. I have dug up posts that I've put in the ground and
found the dry mix to be a solid mass as if I had poured it. it depends on
the moisture of the ground.
--
-Mike-
[email protected]
Gooey wrote:
> I bought one of those 3.5 cu ft Cement Mixers from HFT and mixed two
> 80# bags of SAKRETE concrete mix accodring to the directions adding
> (at first) .75 gallons of water per bag.
>
> The mix was dry. And balls of mix developed .75" to about 1.5" and
> rolled about the mixer without mixing in very well.
>
> I wound up adding more water about a gallon per bag to get a mix that
> looked something like the mix the pros bring when I order several
> years from a regular cement truck. Or the mixes I used to do in a
> shallow plastic tub with hoe and rake to mix the SAKRETE.
>
> Adding the water was essential to getting a mix I felt comfortable
> with - with the exception that I fear the additional water might
> effectively ruin the mix and deck footers I was pouring.
>
> I thought to ask here in case anyone had experience mixing concrete in
> a similar mixer or the one from HFT.
>
> Or maybe one of you can point me to a source that will help answer my
> questions. Thank you.
Can't point you to a source, so you'll have to do a little google legwork.
That said - it's not the mixer's fault, it's doing it's job just fine. The
amount of water to add is something of an artform - dependent upon a few
variables. As long as you didn't pour it soupy, then don't worry about the
strength. It'll be fine.
--
-Mike-
[email protected]
On Sun, 17 Jul 2011 18:29:38 -0700 (PDT), Gooey <[email protected]> wrote:
>I bought one of those 3.5 cu ft Cement Mixers from HFT and mixed two
>80# bags of SAKRETE concrete mix accodring to the directions adding
>(at first) .75 gallons of water per bag.
>
>The mix was dry. And balls of mix developed .75" to about 1.5" and
>rolled about the mixer without mixing in very well.
>
>I wound up adding more water about a gallon per bag to get a mix that
>looked something like the mix the pros bring when I order several
>years from a regular cement truck. Or the mixes I used to do in a
>shallow plastic tub with hoe and rake to mix the SAKRETE.
>
>Adding the water was essential to getting a mix I felt comfortable
>with - with the exception that I fear the additional water might
>effectively ruin the mix and deck footers I was pouring.
>
>I thought to ask here in case anyone had experience mixing concrete in
>a similar mixer or the one from HFT.
>
>Or maybe one of you can point me to a source that will help answer my
>questions. Thank you.
Not in a mixer, but a gallon per bag is the mix I've always started with. Once
in a while I've had to add a little (maybe a cup) more.
-MIKE- wrote:
> On 7/18/11 12:41 PM, chaniarts wrote:
>> -MIKE- wrote:
>>> On 7/18/11 12:10 PM, Josepi wrote:
>>>> Your water may vary in wetness...
>>>>
>>>
>>> Brilliant.
>>
>> http://www.redlineoil.com/product.aspx?pid=74&pcid=10
>>
>> lowers surface tension. technically, it would make water 'wetter'.
>>
>
> Well, that wouldn't be water, now, would it.
> That would be "water plus additive."
>
> That's no different than saying, your water may have more caffeine
> than other water and what you're actually talking about is coffee.
>
> Why am I even explaining this?
But not very well. There is water, then there is water.
With distilled water, you can float a paper clip on its surface. In some
locals, there are enough dissolved solids to lower the surface tension
sufficiently so the paper clip will not float.
Distilled water is an insulator. Non-distilled water is a conductor.
And so on.
Gooey wrote:
> wasted the time of those who responded.
>>
>> Lew
>
> Well, if the responses had indicated my extra water would kill the
> project I would have re-done the work. You are correct in that it
> would have been better all around if I'd asked before I mixed the
> concrete, but I didn't see the problem/issue until I started to mix
> the concrete. Catcha-22
So... not to be critical - but, if you follow the directions on the product
you will usually come out just fine. There are those of us who sometimes
wonder why people ask obvious questions when 1) the directions are very
clear, and 2) they are going to go about it their own way anyway. Not that
our wonder makes us right - it is just our wonder. What can I say - we're
all just a little screwed up in some way...
--
-Mike-
[email protected]
On 7/19/2011 4:08 PM, Morgans wrote:
> "Leon" wrote in message
> news:[email protected]...
>
> On 7/19/2011 1:07 PM, Josepi wrote:
>> Don't worry about the troll responses. Just don't feed them by giving
>> audience.
>>
>> The group is a success is indicated when you get these fools. They will
>> always find something to poke at even if it is with the way you type
>> your period character, at the end of your sentence....too much pressure
>> or too little pressure on your keyboard, etc....
>>
>> I have poured premixed concrete into a hole, dry, and walked away, if it
>> will rain in the next day or so. It works just fine and you seem to know
>> what you are doing.
>
> And what if it does not rain in a day or so? Kind of a stupid gamble.
> ____________________________________________________________
>
> I can only think that not mixing with water first, or counting on rain
> to set up a dry hole is only a factor in very dry regions, or in drought
> areas.
>
> Shoot, I have had bags in the garage set up in one solid block just from
> moisture in the air. If the ground around the hole has any significant
> moisture in it, it is plenty to set up a dry post. As to the one account
> of pulling out dry unhardened mixes after a few years, I can not imagine
> how that could happen except in the desert.
>
> -- Jim in NC
>
I have had fertilizer do that and it is not concrete. I seriousely
doubt that concrete that has set up from humidity or moisture in the
soil is going to be a correct cure or have any strength.
On Jul 19, 1:02=A0pm, "Mike Marlow" <[email protected]>
wrote:
if you follow the directions on the product you will usually come out
just fine.
Good advice in most instances and, a "computer guy" I always reach for
the directions after all else fails.
But, in the instant case (read the OP) I followed the directions
exactly and was experiencing difficulty and ended up "curing" the
problem by adding 33% more water than called for. As I was using a
concrete mixer that was new to me, I thought there might be technique
issues. e.g do you fill the thing with the mix and then add all the
water called for - then turn the machine on? Or, pour in the amount of
water called for, then add the concrete mix - then turn the machine
on? Or add a little mix, a little water as the machine is running and
repeat until all 160 pounds of mix are in? Or, yet another approach
I've yet to conceive of?
If we were all gathered at the local coffee shop shootin' the breeze,
would the questions and discussion seem a waste of time?
On 7/18/2011 5:10 AM, Ed Pawlowski wrote:
>
> "Larry Jaques" <[email protected]> wrote
>> It _very_ likely didn't. I've seen idiots fill holes with water, toss
>> in the 4x4, dump in a bag of crete, stir with the 4x4, then set
>> vertical. The resultant lump 'o crete was nice and solid the week
>> after. I was fairly surprised. Do try to use as little water as
>> possible, though.
>>
>
> Sakrete makes a no-mix fence post formula. They also make a lightweight
> aggregate mix.
i use the regular sakrete, put in dry. it'll rain eventually. works
great. Most posts don't need concrete anyway if they are of proper depth.
--
Steve Barker
remove the "not" from my address to email
"Mike Marlow" <[email protected]> wrote:
>Leon wrote:
>
>>
>> Not saying that it does not work any of the time but absolutely not
>> all the time. I have witnessed it not working 8 years later when the
>> post had a solid concrete top layer but the bottom was still powder. I
>> mean really, how much trouble is it to just add water to the mix in
>> the hole?
>
>Well - it's not my preferred way. I did it at the urging of a BIL and was
>surprised later to see that it worked. After that though, (before digging
>it up), I just couldn't get comfortable with the idea, so I always went back
>to the old way of adding water. Just made me feel more comfortable. So -
>I've seen it work, but I don't know if I'd bank on it every time.
I am having trouble choosing between
"total farkwit" and "troll" in respect of a label
for yourself there, Mike.
Like, a barrow of deco (road-base) stamped
has to be cheaper and structurally sounder
than that farked over laziness you so
eagerly grabbed from your BIL, if at all the
Truth :-/
More money than brains?
/raised eyebrow
.. show me different.
george
Markem <[email protected]> wrote:
>On Wed, 20 Jul 2011 09:08:46 -0500, Steve Turner
><[email protected]> wrote:
>
>>I have a feeling the Army Corps of Engineers would never build a dam using
>>anything but fully mixed concrete. I would never feel comfortable that
>>concrete (in any context) would cure completely and with full strength unless
>>it were mixed thoroughly with water from the outset.
>
>I know they have used just plan dirt in a few dams.
Indeed.
Although not as "plain" as plain dirt.
Known as "saddle dams" in Aussie,
these are a complex structure designed primarily
for cheap(er) construction in areas where there is
no great expectation of flow from the
floodplain/catchment.
Then there are "Turkey Nest" dams which we (.au)
use extensively for stock (and often domestic)
water on Stations (ranches) in the "Outback".
Any more..?
http://www.dogpile.com/dogpile/ws/results/Web/Saddle%20Dam%20Construction%20technique/1/417/TopNavigation/Relevance/iq=true/zoom=off/_iceUrlFlag=7?_IceUrl=true
george
On 7/18/11 12:10 PM, Josepi wrote:
> Your water may vary in wetness...
>
Brilliant.
--
-MIKE-
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--Elvin Jones (1927-2004)
--
http://mikedrums.com
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On 07/18/2011 12:18 PM, -MIKE- wrote:
> On 7/18/11 12:10 PM, Josepi wrote:
>> Your water may vary in wetness...
>>
>
> Brilliant.
You beat me to it.
--
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(From a Shiner Bock billboard I saw in Austin some years ago)
To reply, eat the taco.
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On 7/18/11 12:41 PM, chaniarts wrote:
> -MIKE- wrote:
>> On 7/18/11 12:10 PM, Josepi wrote:
>>> Your water may vary in wetness...
>>>
>>
>> Brilliant.
>
> http://www.redlineoil.com/product.aspx?pid=74&pcid=10
>
> lowers surface tension. technically, it would make water 'wetter'.
>
Well, that wouldn't be water, now, would it.
That would be "water plus additive."
That's no different than saying, your water may have more caffeine than
other water and what you're actually talking about is coffee.
Why am I even explaining this?
--
-MIKE-
"Playing is not something I do at night, it's my function in life"
--Elvin Jones (1927-2004)
--
http://mikedrums.com
[email protected]
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On 7/18/11 3:32 PM, HeyBub wrote:
> -MIKE- wrote:
>> On 7/18/11 12:41 PM, chaniarts wrote:
>>> -MIKE- wrote:
>>>> On 7/18/11 12:10 PM, Josepi wrote:
>>>>> Your water may vary in wetness...
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Brilliant.
>>>
>>> http://www.redlineoil.com/product.aspx?pid=74&pcid=10
>>>
>>> lowers surface tension. technically, it would make water 'wetter'.
>>>
>>
>> Well, that wouldn't be water, now, would it.
>> That would be "water plus additive."
>>
>> That's no different than saying, your water may have more caffeine
>> than other water and what you're actually talking about is coffee.
>>
>> Why am I even explaining this?
>
> But not very well. There is water, then there is water.
>
> With distilled water, you can float a paper clip on its surface. In some
> locals, there are enough dissolved solids to lower the surface tension
> sufficiently so the paper clip will not float.
>
> Distilled water is an insulator. Non-distilled water is a conductor.
>
> And so on.
>
I guess you can go ahead and used distilled water for your concrete if
it makes you feel better.
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On 7/18/11 4:48 PM, Larry Jaques wrote:
> On Mon, 18 Jul 2011 12:34:12 -0500, Steve Turner
> <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>> On 07/18/2011 12:18 PM, -MIKE- wrote:
>>> On 7/18/11 12:10 PM, Josepi wrote:
>>>> Your water may vary in wetness...
>>>>
>>>
>>> Brilliant.
>>
>> You beat me to it.
>
> Why are you two feeding the damned trolls?
> Or do you -want- to make into our twit filters, too?
> <sigh>
>
Yeah, I'm starting to get in that boat with ya.
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On 7/19/2011 12:02 PM, Mike Marlow wrote:
> Gooey wrote:
>> wasted the time of those who responded.
>>>
>>> Lew
>>
>> Well, if the responses had indicated my extra water would kill the
>> project I would have re-done the work. You are correct in that it
>> would have been better all around if I'd asked before I mixed the
>> concrete, but I didn't see the problem/issue until I started to mix
>> the concrete. Catcha-22
>
> So... not to be critical - but, if you follow the directions on the product
> you will usually come out just fine. There are those of us who sometimes
> wonder why people ask obvious questions when 1) the directions are very
> clear, and 2) they are going to go about it their own way anyway. Not that
> our wonder makes us right - it is just our wonder. What can I say - we're
> all just a little screwed up in some way...
Speak for yourself buddy!
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On 7/19/2011 12:35 PM, Mike Marlow wrote:
> Steve Turner wrote:
>> On 7/19/2011 12:02 PM, Mike Marlow wrote:
>>> Gooey wrote:
>>>> wasted the time of those who responded.
>>>>>
>>>>> Lew
>>>>
>>>> Well, if the responses had indicated my extra water would kill the
>>>> project I would have re-done the work. You are correct in that it
>>>> would have been better all around if I'd asked before I mixed the
>>>> concrete, but I didn't see the problem/issue until I started to mix
>>>> the concrete. Catcha-22
>>>
>>> So... not to be critical - but, if you follow the directions on the
>>> product you will usually come out just fine. There are those of us
>>> who sometimes wonder why people ask obvious questions when 1) the
>>> directions are very clear, and 2) they are going to go about it
>>> their own way anyway. Not that our wonder makes us right - it is
>>> just our wonder. What can I say - we're all just a little screwed
>>> up in some way...
>>
>> Speak for yourself buddy!
>
> Correction - all of us but Steve. Geeze, that was embarassing - thanks for
> the correction Steve. I just hate it when that happens...
You couldn't help it; you're screwed up! I do appreciate the clarification
though. Now if you'll excuse me, I have to go mesmerize some more screwed-up
people with my infinite wisdom.
<twitch twitch>
:-)
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On 7/19/11 2:08 PM, Leon wrote:
> On 7/19/2011 1:07 PM, Josepi wrote:
>> Don't worry about the troll responses. Just don't feed them by giving
>> audience.
>>
>> The group is a success is indicated when you get these fools. They will
>> always find something to poke at even if it is with the way you type
>> your period character, at the end of your sentence....too much pressure
>> or too little pressure on your keyboard, etc....
>>
>> I have poured premixed concrete into a hole, dry, and walked away, if it
>> will rain in the next day or so. It works just fine and you seem to know
>> what you are doing.
>
> And what if it does not rain in a day or so? Kind of a stupid gamble.
That and the fact that what really happens is you get a crispy shell of
cured concrete covering the dry powder concrete on the inside.
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Leon <lcb11211@swbelldotnet> wrote:
>On 7/20/2011 8:53 PM, George Watson wrote:
/sawn
>>> I hear you but know differently.
>>>
>> .. an' there is why I am here, posting.
>>
/sawn
>
>George, take no offense with this request, could you publish a Ausy
>dictionary so we can understand some of your terminology> :~)
None taken at all Leon.
I do question the use of "we" though. Is not that either
"poor Engrish" (you do know what is "Engrish", right?)
or a presumption of the consumption by others??
Try this perspective on for size, Leon.
I am bringing the World to your desktop.
How's that?
You have heard of the Internet?
Ok.. I explain briefly.
It is that place outside of the USA Intranet.
The thing Al Gore invented and sold to you guys.
Y'all bought a lemon, by the way.
But at least it gave you guys access to the Internet<G>
[seriously]
Mate.. iff'n I had a buck for each "lingo lame" I have and
do attract I could mount a takeover bid on Microsoft, no
worries.
Such trivia does not faze me one iota.
An the fact that I explain this to *you* says you are on
my "favorites list".
Others are still wondering where their post went!
/lmao
I aint changing a thing, Leon
I am what I am, just as many are here to me
I deal with the "strange ones" as I will.
I follow the rules of Usenet, I subscribe to the Usenet ethos
and I promote "free speech", where I do post.
More than that is up to the reader, not I.
Some help?
http://www.dogpile.com
covers more Search Engines than Google
and does not "hand feed" only American "stuff".
A quick scan of this site will tell you I am being very clear
in *my* use of English.. for an Aussie poster:->
http://www.sunburntcountry.au.com/sayings/fulllist.html
All that said.. I have little to none trouble in figuring
what you guys and the Kanucks are saying yet the
reverse is always a problem for a great many
from the Americas.. and not only with reading
of Aussie "stuff", I would add.
cheers
george
On 7/19/11 4:13 PM, Mike Marlow wrote:
> -MIKE- wrote:
>> On 7/19/11 2:08 PM, Leon wrote:
>>> On 7/19/2011 1:07 PM, Josepi wrote:
>>>> Don't worry about the troll responses. Just don't feed them by
>>>> giving audience.
>>>>
>>>> The group is a success is indicated when you get these fools. They
>>>> will always find something to poke at even if it is with the way
>>>> you type your period character, at the end of your sentence....too
>>>> much pressure or too little pressure on your keyboard, etc....
>>>>
>>>> I have poured premixed concrete into a hole, dry, and walked away,
>>>> if it will rain in the next day or so. It works just fine and you
>>>> seem to know what you are doing.
>>>
>>> And what if it does not rain in a day or so? Kind of a stupid gamble.
>>
>> That and the fact that what really happens is you get a crispy shell
>> of cured concrete covering the dry powder concrete on the inside.
>
> I have to disagree. I have dug up posts that I've put in the ground and
> found the dry mix to be a solid mass as if I had poured it. it depends on
> the moisture of the ground.
>
location, location, location...It would have worked in the spring here,
now not so much, Leon is in a drought area, probably wouldn't work so
well.
--
Froz...
The system will be down for 10 days for preventive maintenance.
On 7/19/11 3:13 PM, Mike Marlow wrote:
> -MIKE- wrote:
>> On 7/19/11 2:08 PM, Leon wrote:
>>> On 7/19/2011 1:07 PM, Josepi wrote:
>>>> Don't worry about the troll responses. Just don't feed them by
>>>> giving audience.
>>>>
>>>> The group is a success is indicated when you get these fools. They
>>>> will always find something to poke at even if it is with the way
>>>> you type your period character, at the end of your sentence....too
>>>> much pressure or too little pressure on your keyboard, etc....
>>>>
>>>> I have poured premixed concrete into a hole, dry, and walked away,
>>>> if it will rain in the next day or so. It works just fine and you
>>>> seem to know what you are doing.
>>>
>>> And what if it does not rain in a day or so? Kind of a stupid gamble.
>>
>> That and the fact that what really happens is you get a crispy shell
>> of cured concrete covering the dry powder concrete on the inside.
>
> I have to disagree. I have dug up posts that I've put in the ground and
> found the dry mix to be a solid mass as if I had poured it. it depends on
> the moisture of the ground.
>
I'm assuming you broke it up? :-)
Here's my opinion on the matter.... it's laziness for one. Secondly, if
you can risk uncured concrete in a post hole, you probably don't need
concrete in your post hole. Tamping a dry sand/stone mixture would
probably suffice.
Like someones else may have stated, most decks don't need concrete in
the post holes. If the deck is built properly, it will act as one
structure, and gravity will anchor it to the ground. Freeze and thaw can
be dealt with my having proper footings under the posts, which depending
on the circumstances, could be dry footings.
Most fences only need concrete at the corners and every so many posts on
long runs. Depending on the soil and how far down you can dig, you can
get away with a dry pack, even on corners.
If concrete is below the frost line on posts and dry fill above, you
won't get any front lift. All Douchepi proved with his front statement
is that he neglected to gid his holes deep enough.
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"Leon" wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
On 7/19/2011 1:07 PM, Josepi wrote:
> Don't worry about the troll responses. Just don't feed them by giving
> audience.
>
> The group is a success is indicated when you get these fools. They will
> always find something to poke at even if it is with the way you type
> your period character, at the end of your sentence....too much pressure
> or too little pressure on your keyboard, etc....
>
> I have poured premixed concrete into a hole, dry, and walked away, if it
> will rain in the next day or so. It works just fine and you seem to know
> what you are doing.
And what if it does not rain in a day or so? Kind of a stupid gamble.
____________________________________________________________
I can only think that not mixing with water first, or counting on rain to
set up a dry hole is only a factor in very dry regions, or in drought areas.
Shoot, I have had bags in the garage set up in one solid block just from
moisture in the air. If the ground around the hole has any significant
moisture in it, it is plenty to set up a dry post. As to the one account of
pulling out dry unhardened mixes after a few years, I can not imagine how
that could happen except in the desert.
-- Jim in NC
"-MIKE-" wrote
Like someones else may have stated, most decks don't need concrete in
the post holes. If the deck is built properly, it will act as one
structure, and gravity will anchor it to the ground. Freeze and thaw can
be dealt with my having proper footings under the posts, which depending
on the circumstances, could be dry footings.
______________________________________________________
And then there is that pesky matter of building code that says decks gotta
have a 2 square foot concrete footer for the post to sit on, and 3 feet of
concreted post to lessen lateral bracing requirements.
-- Jim in NC
On 7/19/11 4:13 PM, Morgans wrote:
> "-MIKE-" wrote
>
> Like someones else may have stated, most decks don't need concrete in
> the post holes. If the deck is built properly, it will act as one
> structure, and gravity will anchor it to the ground. Freeze and thaw can
> be dealt with my having proper footings under the posts, which depending
> on the circumstances, could be dry footings.
> ______________________________________________________
>
> And then there is that pesky matter of building code that says decks
> gotta have a 2 square foot concrete footer for the post to sit on, and 3
> feet of concreted post to lessen lateral bracing requirements.
>
> -- Jim in NC
Codes? When does anyone follow codes? :-)
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On 7/19/11 5:08 PM, Morgans wrote:
> "Leon" wrote in message
> news:[email protected]...
>
> And what if it does not rain in a day or so? Kind of a stupid gamble.
> ____________________________________________________________
>
> I can only think that not mixing with water first, or counting on rain
> to set up a dry hole is only a factor in very dry regions, or in drought
> areas.
>
> Shoot, I have had bags in the garage set up in one solid block just from
> moisture in the air.
That has happened to me too, last time I was in a HD, not sure if it was
fiscal restraint or what, but it seemed very warm and humid in the
place, not sure what that is doing to bags of concrete.
--
Froz...
The system will be down for 10 days for preventive maintenance.
Hey Gooey, I don't mean to pick on you here, but remember the other day when
you replied that my WD-40 post was spam, spam, spam? And you provided links
to web sites where the post appeared. Remember that?
http://www.homeownershub.com/woodworking/Deck-Project-Concrete-518980-1.htm
Does this make your post spam, spam, spam?
I don't think it does. I think there are web sites that cull posts from
newsgroups and post it on their own site. What do you think?
Phil
"Gooey" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
>I bought one of those 3.5 cu ft Cement Mixers from HFT and mixed two
> 80# bags of SAKRETE concrete mix accodring to the directions adding
> (at first) .75 gallons of water per bag.
>
> The mix was dry. And balls of mix developed .75" to about 1.5" and
> rolled about the mixer without mixing in very well.
>
> I wound up adding more water about a gallon per bag to get a mix that
> looked something like the mix the pros bring when I order several
> years from a regular cement truck. Or the mixes I used to do in a
> shallow plastic tub with hoe and rake to mix the SAKRETE.
>
> Adding the water was essential to getting a mix I felt comfortable
> with - with the exception that I fear the additional water might
> effectively ruin the mix and deck footers I was pouring.
>
> I thought to ask here in case anyone had experience mixing concrete in
> a similar mixer or the one from HFT.
>
> Or maybe one of you can point me to a source that will help answer my
> questions. Thank you.
On 7/19/11 7:54 PM, Leon wrote:
> On 7/19/2011 3:17 PM, FrozenNorth wrote:
>> On 7/19/11 4:13 PM, Mike Marlow wrote:
>>> -MIKE- wrote:
>>>> On 7/19/11 2:08 PM, Leon wrote:
>>>>> On 7/19/2011 1:07 PM, Josepi wrote:
>>>>>> Don't worry about the troll responses. Just don't feed them by
>>>>>> giving audience.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> The group is a success is indicated when you get these fools. They
>>>>>> will always find something to poke at even if it is with the way
>>>>>> you type your period character, at the end of your sentence....too
>>>>>> much pressure or too little pressure on your keyboard, etc....
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I have poured premixed concrete into a hole, dry, and walked away,
>>>>>> if it will rain in the next day or so. It works just fine and you
>>>>>> seem to know what you are doing.
>>>>>
>>>>> And what if it does not rain in a day or so? Kind of a stupid gamble.
>>>>
>>>> That and the fact that what really happens is you get a crispy shell
>>>> of cured concrete covering the dry powder concrete on the inside.
>>>
>>> I have to disagree. I have dug up posts that I've put in the ground and
>>> found the dry mix to be a solid mass as if I had poured it. it
>>> depends on
>>> the moisture of the ground.
>>>
>> location, location, location...It would have worked in the spring here,
>> now not so much, Leon is in a drought area, probably wouldn't work so
>> well.
>>
>
>
> Leon in in an area that gets an average or 36" per year. If you have
> clay soil like we do in Houston the clay will absorb the water, suck it
> out of the concrete.
Ok, but still comes down to location.
--
Froz...
The system will be down for 10 days for preventive maintenance.
> And then there is that pesky matter of building code that says decks
> gotta have a 2 square foot concrete footer for the post to sit on, and 3
> feet of concreted post to lessen lateral bracing requirements.
>
> -- Jim in NC
Codes? When does anyone follow codes? :-)
People like contractors who would like to pass inspections, so they can get
paid for their work, for one. ;-)
-- Jim in NC
"Gooey" wrote
ended up "curing" the
problem by adding 33% more water than called for. As I was using a
concrete mixer that was new to me, I thought there might be technique
issues. e.g do you fill the thing with the mix and then add all the
water called for - then turn the machine on? Or, pour in the amount of
water called for, then add the concrete mix - then turn the machine
on? Or add a little mix, a little water as the machine is running and
repeat until all 160 pounds of mix are in? Or, yet another approach
I've yet to conceive of?
_____________________________________________________
Add most of the water, holding a cup or two back, to adjust the exact final
consistency. Then add the mix.
Doing the mix then water can definitely cause balls to form.
Also, before you toss the mix in, toss the bag down flat onto a slab of
concrete, or something hard, before you open it. If any balls have formed
in the bag, it will help them break apart.
If you ever mix any sacrete that will need to be strong or need to be
troweled to a good finish, get a bag of Portland cement and add a small
shovel of it per bag of mix. The bag mixes have a minimum of the expensive
Portland, to get a rich mixture.
-- Jim in NC
On 7/19/2011 6:51 PM, Leon wrote:
> On 7/19/2011 2:35 PM, -MIKE- wrote:
>> On 7/19/11 2:08 PM, Leon wrote:
>>> On 7/19/2011 1:07 PM, Josepi wrote:
>>>> Don't worry about the troll responses. Just don't feed them by giving
>>>> audience.
>>>>
>>>> The group is a success is indicated when you get these fools. They will
>>>> always find something to poke at even if it is with the way you type
>>>> your period character, at the end of your sentence....too much pressure
>>>> or too little pressure on your keyboard, etc....
>>>>
>>>> I have poured premixed concrete into a hole, dry, and walked away, if it
>>>> will rain in the next day or so. It works just fine and you seem to know
>>>> what you are doing.
>>>
>>> And what if it does not rain in a day or so? Kind of a stupid gamble.
>>
>> That and the fact that what really happens is you get a crispy shell of
>> cured concrete covering the dry powder concrete on the inside.
>>
>>
> Exactly!
I have a feeling the Army Corps of Engineers would never build a dam using
anything but fully mixed concrete. I would never feel comfortable that
concrete (in any context) would cure completely and with full strength unless
it were mixed thoroughly with water from the outset.
--
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On 7/20/11 1:55 AM, Morgans wrote:
>
>> And then there is that pesky matter of building code that says decks
>> gotta have a 2 square foot concrete footer for the post to sit on, and 3
>> feet of concreted post to lessen lateral bracing requirements.
>>
>> -- Jim in NC
>
> Codes? When does anyone follow codes? :-)
>
> People like contractors who would like to pass inspections, so they can
> get paid for their work, for one. ;-)
>
> -- Jim in NC
>
I know we're all joking, here, but I'm guessing 90% or more of all the
decks ever built never get "inspected."
It's kind of a catch-22, anyway. The codes are there because there are
too many DIY idiots and fly-by-nighter rednecks building decks with
drywall screws and 2x6 "joists." Those decks are the ones that need
inspected but never get inspected for various reasons.
The only decks that get inspected are usually on new homes or
additions/remodels that are being financed by a bank. The bank usually
requires and inspection and the work to be done by a licensed and bonded
contractor. Ironically, these are the guys who generally don't need
bonded because they do the work right in the first place and their work
doesn't need inspected because their standards are usually higher that
the inspector's.
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"Phil Anderson" wrote in message news:[email protected]...
Hey Gooey, I don't mean to pick on you here, but remember the other day when
you replied that my WD-40 post was spam, spam, spam? And you provided links
to web sites where the post appeared. Remember that?
http://www.homeownershub.com/woodworking/Deck-Project-Concrete-518980-1.htm
Does this make your post spam, spam, spam?
I don't think it does. I think there are web sites that cull posts from
newsgroups and post it on their own site. What do you think?
Phil
==============
We expect a report on the wonders and lies of WD-68? here every month or so
for the last ten years, anyway.
--
Eric
On 7/20/11 10:05 AM, m II wrote:
> Damns are typically "one pour". It never stops for concrete integrity.
> Some have cooling pipes poured into the structure to slow the curing
> down to permit this by allowing more time to build.
>
Congratulations, you watch the History Channel.
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"Gooey" wrote in message
news:87e89661-9dff-49d2-b35b-1d823f6dff4c@v11g2000prn.googlegroups.com...
my WD-40 post was spam, spam, spam
Well, In my defense I did NOT reply so until after 1. reading another
such assertion on this list and, then 2. Googling a phrase from the
post and finding a dozen copies posted on the same day.
"If it walks, like a duck," they say . . .
So, if the WD-40 cheering is, indeed, proper fodder for this
list . . .
And, I did fail to ad "OT" to my subject line - though I doubt it
would have mad a great difference in the responses. So, I stand guilty
as charged.
BTW, what was the charge?
======================
You hereby charged with, and found guilty by association of:
Committing Usenet Format Indecency in a post caused by typing on a keyboard
,or other input device, consisting of sentence formations with meaning not
in compliance with the population's subject matter of complete agreement.
Punishment shall consist of a warning, this time, but further infractions or
usage of words, or sentence structure, larger than most can reasonably
comprehend without google.ca lookup, or otherwise equivalent, shall result
in a temporary, of undetermined length, spilt in the attitude of the
populace with OCD, posting here.
You have been warned.
--
Eric
In article <[email protected]>, "John P. Bengi" <Pissie@Tazoar=digiTraks=kit=George Watson=Trawley Trash=Venlig Hilsen=silvaMoth=no spam=cHips=mallet.=I.am.a.moron.surprise.invalid> wrote:
>You have been trolled by George Watson = Pixie = Bluto = hopper = kit =
>digiTraks, -Mike- = Doug Miller = Leon, ad nauseum.
You are obviously an idiot.
<plonk>
On 7/18/2011 12:41 PM, chaniarts wrote:
> -MIKE- wrote:
>> On 7/18/11 12:10 PM, Josepi wrote:
>>> Your water may vary in wetness...
>>>
>>
>> Brilliant.
>
> http://www.redlineoil.com/product.aspx?pid=74&pcid=10
>
> lowers surface tension. technically, it would make water 'wetter'.
>
>
It is a chemical additive for coolant, not concrete.
On 7/18/2011 12:10 PM, Josepi wrote:
> Your water may vary in wetness or the package may vary in moisture.
>
> Concrete wetness really doesn't matter except for it not getting all
> mixed (too dry) or too wet and it runs away on you. The consistency is
> only for your convenience of forming and working with it.
>
> Keep in mind concrete does not dry to harden but rather cure. Throw a
> bag of pre-mixed into the bottom of a river and it will still cure.
Does river water have wetter water than say a lake?
On Sun, 17 Jul 2011 18:29:38 -0700 (PDT), Gooey
<[email protected]> wrote:
>I bought one of those 3.5 cu ft Cement Mixers from HFT and mixed two
>80# bags of SAKRETE concrete mix accodring to the directions adding
>(at first) .75 gallons of water per bag.
>
>The mix was dry. And balls of mix developed .75" to about 1.5" and
>rolled about the mixer without mixing in very well.
>
>I wound up adding more water about a gallon per bag to get a mix that
>looked something like the mix the pros bring when I order several
>years from a regular cement truck. Or the mixes I used to do in a
>shallow plastic tub with hoe and rake to mix the SAKRETE.
>
>Adding the water was essential to getting a mix I felt comfortable
>with - with the exception that I fear the additional water might
>effectively ruin the mix and deck footers I was pouring.
It _very_ likely didn't. I've seen idiots fill holes with water, toss
in the 4x4, dump in a bag of crete, stir with the 4x4, then set
vertical. The resultant lump 'o crete was nice and solid the week
after. I was fairly surprised. Do try to use as little water as
possible, though.
>I thought to ask here in case anyone had experience mixing concrete in
>a similar mixer or the one from HFT.
>
>Or maybe one of you can point me to a source that will help answer my
>questions. Thank you.
I should measure it the next time I put in a fence post. I believe I
use about a gallon for a #60 bag of fence post mix.
--
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You can move forward or backward;
you can not remain still.
-- Patricia Russell-McCloud
On Tue, 19 Jul 2011 13:35:27 -0400, "Mike Marlow"
<[email protected]> wrote:
>Steve Turner wrote:
>> On 7/19/2011 12:02 PM, Mike Marlow wrote:
>>> Gooey wrote:
>>>> wasted the time of those who responded.
>>>>>
>>>>> Lew
>>>>
>>>> Well, if the responses had indicated my extra water would kill the
>>>> project I would have re-done the work. You are correct in that it
>>>> would have been better all around if I'd asked before I mixed the
>>>> concrete, but I didn't see the problem/issue until I started to mix
>>>> the concrete. Catcha-22
>>>
>>> So... not to be critical - but, if you follow the directions on the
>>> product you will usually come out just fine. There are those of us
>>> who sometimes wonder why people ask obvious questions when 1) the
>>> directions are very clear, and 2) they are going to go about it
>>> their own way anyway. Not that our wonder makes us right - it is
>>> just our wonder. What can I say - we're all just a little screwed
>>> up in some way...
>>
>> Speak for yourself buddy!
>
>Correction - all of us but Steve. Geeze, that was embarassing - thanks for
>the correction Steve. I just hate it when that happens...
Rightio! Nobody can say Steve is only a LITTLE screwed up, can they?
<gd&r>
--
Progress is the product of human agency. Things get better because we
make them better. Things go wrong when we get too comfortable, when we
fail to take risks or seize opportunities.
-- Susan Rice
Damns are typically "one pour". It never stops for concrete integrity. Some
have cooling pipes poured into the structure to slow the curing down to
permit this by allowing more time to build.
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"Steve Turner" wrote in message news:[email protected]...
I have a feeling the Army Corps of Engineers would never build a dam using
anything but fully mixed concrete. I would never feel comfortable that
concrete (in any context) would cure completely and with full strength
unless
it were mixed thoroughly with water from the outset.
On Mon, 18 Jul 2011 12:34:12 -0500, Steve Turner
<[email protected]> wrote:
>On 07/18/2011 12:18 PM, -MIKE- wrote:
>> On 7/18/11 12:10 PM, Josepi wrote:
>>> Your water may vary in wetness...
>>>
>>
>> Brilliant.
>
>You beat me to it.
Why are you two feeding the damned trolls?
Or do you -want- to make into our twit filters, too?
<sigh>
--
One word frees us of all the weight and pain of life: That word is love.
-- Sophocles
Your water may vary in wetness or the package may vary in moisture.
Concrete wetness really doesn't matter except for it not getting all mixed
(too dry) or too wet and it runs away on you. The consistency is only for
your convenience of forming and working with it.
Keep in mind concrete does not dry to harden but rather cure. Throw a bag of
pre-mixed into the bottom of a river and it will still cure.
---------------------------
"Gooey" wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
I bought one of those 3.5 cu ft Cement Mixers from HFT and mixed two
80# bags of SAKRETE concrete mix accodring to the directions adding
(at first) .75 gallons of water per bag.
The mix was dry. And balls of mix developed .75" to about 1.5" and
rolled about the mixer without mixing in very well.
I wound up adding more water about a gallon per bag to get a mix that
looked something like the mix the pros bring when I order several
years from a regular cement truck. Or the mixes I used to do in a
shallow plastic tub with hoe and rake to mix the SAKRETE.
Adding the water was essential to getting a mix I felt comfortable
with - with the exception that I fear the additional water might
effectively ruin the mix and deck footers I was pouring.
I thought to ask here in case anyone had experience mixing concrete in
a similar mixer or the one from HFT.
Or maybe one of you can point me to a source that will help answer my
questions. Thank you.
Wow! Sure is a lot of A.D.D. in this group!
The poor OP gets one decent answer and the trolls want to fish for suckers
based on an expression that entices the troll bait suckers.
Pathetic... just pathetic. We must be pretty bored. (here comes the disputes
about using the word `pretty`)
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"HeyBub" wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
But not very well. There is water, then there is water.
With distilled water, you can float a paper clip on its surface. In some
locals, there are enough dissolved solids to lower the surface tension
sufficiently so the paper clip will not float.
Distilled water is an insulator. Non-distilled water is a conductor.
And so on.
On 7/19/2011 1:07 PM, Josepi wrote:
> Don't worry about the troll responses. Just don't feed them by giving
> audience.
>
> The group is a success is indicated when you get these fools. They will
> always find something to poke at even if it is with the way you type
> your period character, at the end of your sentence....too much pressure
> or too little pressure on your keyboard, etc....
>
> I have poured premixed concrete into a hole, dry, and walked away, if it
> will rain in the next day or so. It works just fine and you seem to know
> what you are doing.
And what if it does not rain in a day or so? Kind of a stupid gamble.
Larry Jaques <[email protected]> wrote:
>On Wed, 20 Jul 2011 19:33:32 -0500, Leon <lcb11211@swbelldotnet>
>wrote:
>
>>On 7/20/2011 6:39 PM, George Watson wrote:
>>> Leon<lcb11211@swbelldotnet> wrote:
>>>> On 7/20/2011 4:12 PM, George Watson wrote:
>>>>> -MIKE-<[email protected]> wrote:
>>>>>> On 7/20/11 10:05 AM, m II wrote:
>>>>>>> Damns are typically "one pour". It never stops for concrete integrity.
>>>>>>> Some have cooling pipes poured into the structure to slow the curing
>>>>>>> down to permit this by allowing more time to build.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Congratulations, you watch the History Channel.
>>>>>>
>>>>> .... and didn't pay attention to that neither.
>>>>>
>>>>> The reason Josepi/Bengi/'mII'/Eric gives is not the case
>>>>> and likely is "what he heard" just as "what he heard"
>>>>> is why he is is how he is today.
>>>>
>>>> Jeez George you sure post from a lot of different e-mail addresses.
>
>So put him in the bozo bin with josepi. I did that a couple weeks ago.
/tap
/tap
ummmm,, Larry?
/tap
I say, Larry.. I do believe you are telling a porkie!.. no?
Post the filter string you are using in:
^^^^^X-Newsreader: Forte Agent 6.00/32.1186 trialware
.. for any poster.
Ok.. Ok..
make it "post any string you have any clue on".
I will even accept old twisted Mary J strands (hemp)
as suitable proof you have a clue what _any_ "string"
represents, in real form.
[pffffffft]
>Mike just joined him tonight after I saw the third reply to a known
>troll by him today. I'm happier and happier.
>
... an' a poor "social engineer": you are too Larry.
tip?
When you are tempted to post a lie you cannot
back up, don't.. m'kay <G>
>You, too, can learn to twit filter, _please_.
>
Why?
Your way is to split the group into two.
That happens first.
The next thing is to get the two groups "fired up".
That, when fully fed, by the likes of josepi/bengi/eric/'mII'
results in a flame war not too many groups have survived.
Ask josepi.. he knows that strategy well.
jes saying... I reckon you are a class dickhead, Larry.
You going to build on that score?
george
Dave <[email protected]> wrote:
>On Wed, 20 Jul 2011 19:33:32 -0500, Leon <lcb11211@swbelldotnet>
>wrote:
>>>> Jeez George you sure post from a lot of different e-mail addresses.
>>Just curious why you use so many different e-mail addresses to post to
>>this news group.
>
>He might be using one of those programs that scrambles email addresses
>to prevent backtracking. Can't say how they work exactly, but there's
>several of them out there that do similar email address protection.
No.
I do not use "bots".
Use those and one might quickly find themselves the
subject of an EMP complaint.
The fast way to Usenet death.. for a subscriber.
george
Hard to miss the gang members that jump in with the stupidest bunch of
garbage one can find to carry on a conversation with himself.
Note how they all have ADD, share a brain cell, and can`t think
independently!
``water wetness`` ROFLMFAO
All the OP wanted was a simple answer.
get a threading reader and get with the 90s
"HeyBub" <[email protected]>wrote:
>George Watson wrote:
>>>
>> Quite appropriate title for the file.
>> Your "naming convention" is very much a
>> self made (homemade) initiative.. like some
>> guys call their vehicles "her" you like to own
>> your data, put yer name on it, like?
>>
>
>MY truck is a "her."
>
I s e e that :->>>
http://image.automotive.com/f/featuredvehicles/chevy/9302556+pheader/0708st_01_z+2001_chevrolet_s10+running_shot.jpg
Not a truck... that's a "ute".
And a Holden(!!) ute at that..bchlek!
So I have to agree with your 'naming'<g>
Here is the Aussie shiela of like genre.
http://sacars.com.au/uploads/csv/23_25544_3.jpg
>First, it's smaller than a REAL truck (it's an S10).
I uploaded the Aussie version of "small truck".
From: George Watson <[email protected]>
Newsgroups: alt.binaries.pictures.woodworking
Subject: Not a Ute - Tojo2010_hunterV.JPG
On my sixth.. these are a reliable workhorse nary
requiring a spanner... until you hit something.
Smash 'em..?.. cash 'em is the best action.
The Japs need the scrapmetal.
>Second, it's painted in a female color, which I am reliably informed is
>TEAL. (I would call it green.)
>
Yeh, "beetle green".. like as in Shellac.
Just to keep the post topical, like<G>
>Aside:
>We guys know the names of about eight primary colors. Women have more names
>for "tan" than the Eskimos do for "snow."
>
Me. I am tolerant of such idiosyncrasies in women.
This, as, like Eskimos, they are warm where covered
with fur.
I know where me sausage gets 'grilled'
best... mheh
george