Anybody got ideas/recommendations about preferable color schemes for a
shop ?? What I was wondering is : since I will be using primarily
fluorescent lighting, would it be wise to offset the blue-white color by
painting ceilings and/or upper walls some light shades of yellow or tan
to "warm" them up a bit ??
<<<__ Bob __>>>
Sun, Dec 14, 2003, 12:08am (EST+5) [email protected]
(<<<___=A0Bob=A0___>>>) asks:
Anybody got ideas/recommendations about preferable color schemes for a
shop ?? <snip>
Nope, I'm the only one that's gonna reply.
Gloss white. Floors, walls, ceiling. Basically, everything but
the windows and doorknob. It'll darken up amazingly once you start
putting tools in, stuff on the walls, and sawdust gets over everything.
I painted mine semi-gloss white, and have wished I had used gloss. ever
since.
But, your shop, your money. Don't ask anyone what color you should
paint it, just paint it whatever color you want.
JOAT
Life may not be the party we hoped for, but while we are here we might
as well dance.
- Unknown
Life just ain't life without good music. - JOAT
Web Page Update 12 Dec 2003.
Some tunes I like.
http://community-2.webtv.net/Jakofalltrades/SOMETUNESILIKE/
JOAT writes:
>Anybody got ideas/recommendations about preferable color schemes for a
>shop ?? <snip>
>
> Nope, I'm the only one that's gonna reply.
>
> Gloss white. Floors, walls, ceiling. Basically, everything but
>the windows and doorknob. It'll darken up amazingly once you start
>putting tools in, stuff on the walls, and sawdust gets over everything.
>I painted mine semi-gloss white, and have wished I had used gloss. ever
>since.
Now, I disagree with the gloss over semi-gloss bit. I prefer semi-gloss because
it lessens glare...and if you're shooting photos, the gloss glares something
awful, laying highlights where you don't need or want them. Someone else
recommended flat: too hard to clean. Gloss or semi, just brush it off.
Charlie Self
"Man is a reasoning rather than a reasonable animal."
Alexander Hamilton
http://hometown.aol.com/charliediy/myhomepage/business.html
Sun, Dec 14, 2003, 11:42am (EST+5) [email protected]
(Charlie=A0Self) says:
Now, I disagree with the gloss over semi-gloss bit. I prefer semi-gloss
because it lessens glare...and if you're shooting photos, the gloss
glares something awful, laying highlights where you don't need or want
them. Someone else recommended flat: too hard to clean. Gloss or semi,
just brush it off.
LMAO Charlie, I forget, at time, other people actually clean their
shops. Yeah, you've got good points there, and I';ll concede on 'em.
But, for people like me, even glow-in-the-dark paint wouldn't be
bright enough. I've got stuff hanging from the walls and ceiling, I
need all the bright I can get. Once I had painted, until I started
filling the shop, I acthally thought even the semi might have been too
glossy, and maybe I should've used matte. Amazing how much the glare
was cut once I started putting stuff in.
OK, in special cases, semi could be better. For cases like me, as
glossy as you can find. I'll still recommend white.
JOAT
Life may not be the party we hoped for, but while we are here we might
as well dance.
- Unknown
Life just ain't life without good music. - JOAT
Web Page Update 14 Dec 2003.
Some tunes I like.
http://community-2.webtv.net/Jakofalltrades/SOMETUNESILIKE/
In article <[email protected]>, Bay Area Dave <[email protected]> wrote:
gestions to heart?
>
>For once I agree with the Fountain of Knowledge;
Gee, Davie, maybe we should get a room?
Sorry Dave .. .. I was just asking for input .. .. not a mandate !! !! !!
Actually, my first instinct WAS to paint it white, but considering the use of
fluorescent lighting, I thought it might make the color of projects appear too
COOL .. .. hence the request for input regarding using a color that might
impart some warmth .. .. .. pink is definitely out, but thanx for your
response .. .. ..
Bay Area Dave wrote:
> what ever floats your boat, Bobby! YOU are the one that will be living
> with it. What if you got 10 responses that said to paint it pink?
> Would you take those suggestions to heart?
>
>
<<<__ Bob __>>>
Keith Carlson wrote:
> Guess it depends on where you fall on the practical/esthetic spectrum. Do
That's why my living room is sky blue, and my shop will be white when I get
around to painting it.
I *want* the shop to be operating theater bright. It's a good mood to set.
I'd probably feel differently if I did the workaday office cubicle thing
though. My office has a brown ceiling, bad lighting at night, ugly brown
carpeting all over everything, and it vibrates like crazy. The scenery in
front of my window changes constantly though.
> you ever buy cars that aren't very practical, but look cool and are a
> blast to drive? Or more the strict utilitarian vehicle - you don't care
> what it looks like as long as it carries all the cargo and people you need
> to transport. Or somewhere in-between?
I go for whatever somebody bought me as a graduation present... :) At least
so far. Dad never figured I'd still be driving this car all these (ten)
years later, but the damn thing still runs, and I haven't broken 100,000
miles yet.
I guess one of these days I'm going to have to figure out how to buy a car.
Can't be worse than buying a house, which I already did. I figure I'll buy
a new car so I don't have to worry about the previous owner, then try to
get 25-30 years out of it before I buy another one.
--
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On 14 Dec 2003 09:45:53 -0800, [email protected] (Mike) wrote:
>"<<<___ Bob ___>>>" <[email protected]> wrote ...
>> Anybody got ideas/recommendations about preferable color schemes for a
>> shop ?? What I was wondering is : since I will be using primarily
>> fluorescent lighting, would it be wise to offset the blue-white color by
>> painting ceilings and/or upper walls some light shades of yellow or tan
>> to "warm" them up a bit ??
>>
>Consider that you are going to cover the walls with tools and wood and
>shelves and other crap and over all that a coat of sawdust. And you'll
>never clean it. So the color doesn't really matter as long as it's not
>hot pink or something and not too dark. Our local dump has Hazardous
>Waste Day once a month where people bring in among other things lots
>of left over paint. I can do the planet a favor and get free paint in
>the deal. Maybe there is something similar in your area.
That's a good plan. I also always check the Borg for mis-mixed paint
in light colors. Sometimes you can get a light tan or something that
will at least work for cabinets and stuff.
Tim Douglass
http://www.DouglassClan.com
I wouldn't want to come between you and the Plan Man.
dave
Doug Miller wrote:
> In article <[email protected]>, Bay Area Dave <[email protected]> wrote:
> gestions to heart?
>
>>For once I agree with the Fountain of Knowledge;
>
>
> Gee, Davie, maybe we should get a room?
Greg O wrote:
>
> Gloss or semi-gloss white.
> There are no other choices!
> Greg
>
>
>
Eggshell or satin reflect just as much light with less glare
and are still washable.
But I agree on the white or at least darn close to it.
And he would be better off to get wide spectrum bulbs
instead of trying to get warm light out of cool bulbs by
changing paint color. If the bulbs are making most of their
light in the cool part of the spectrum, eliminating
whiteness in favor of a warm color will make things a lot
less bright.
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"Bay Area Dave" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> what ever floats your boat, Bobby! YOU are the one that will be living
> with it. What if you got 10 responses that said to paint it pink?
> Would you take those suggestions to heart?
>
> For once I agree with the Fountain of Knowledge; paint it white (sorry,
> Mick)
>
> dave
>
> <<<___ Bob ___>>> wrote:
>
> > Anybody got ideas/recommendations about preferable color schemes for a
> > shop ?? What I was wondering is : since I will be using primarily
> > fluorescent lighting, would it be wise to offset the blue-white color by
> > painting ceilings and/or upper walls some light shades of yellow or tan
> > to "warm" them up a bit ??
> >
> >
> >
> > <<<__ Bob __>>>
> >
> >
>
Bob, I'm just funning with you, man. I was being good-naturedly
facetious. Did you not notice that I said go with white?
dave
<<<___ Bob ___>>> wrote:
> Sorry Dave .. .. I was just asking for input .. .. not a mandate !! !! !!
>
> Actually, my first instinct WAS to paint it white, but considering the use of
> fluorescent lighting, I thought it might make the color of projects appear too
> COOL .. .. hence the request for input regarding using a color that might
> impart some warmth .. .. .. pink is definitely out, but thanx for your
> response .. .. ..
>
> Bay Area Dave wrote:
>
>
>>what ever floats your boat, Bobby! YOU are the one that will be living
>>with it. What if you got 10 responses that said to paint it pink?
>>Would you take those suggestions to heart?
>>
>>
>
>
> <<<__ Bob __>>>
>
>
"<<<___ Bob ___>>>" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> Anybody got ideas/recommendations about preferable color schemes for a
> shop ?? What I was wondering is : since I will be using primarily
> fluorescent lighting, would it be wise to offset the blue-white color by
> painting ceilings and/or upper walls some light shades of yellow or tan
> to "warm" them up a bit ??
>
>
>
> <<<__ Bob __>>>
>
White... ack.
Go for the yellow or whatever makes it feel more comfortable for you, that's
my opinion. Color has a noticeable effect on people's moods. All white with
flourescent lights would make me feel like I'm at work. I spend all day
under flourescents and around drab cube walls. Mine is primed white at the
moment, and will be getting a splash of yellow or whatever bright color I
find I have left over. If it takes an extra fixture to make up absorbed
light, so be it.
Guess it depends on where you fall on the practical/esthetic spectrum. Do
you ever buy cars that aren't very practical, but look cool and are a blast
to drive? Or more the strict utilitarian vehicle - you don't care what it
looks like as long as it carries all the cargo and people you need to
transport. Or somewhere in-between?
"<<<___ Bob ___>>>" <[email protected]> wrote ...
> Anybody got ideas/recommendations about preferable color schemes for a
> shop ?? What I was wondering is : since I will be using primarily
> fluorescent lighting, would it be wise to offset the blue-white color by
> painting ceilings and/or upper walls some light shades of yellow or tan
> to "warm" them up a bit ??
>
Consider that you are going to cover the walls with tools and wood and
shelves and other crap and over all that a coat of sawdust. And you'll
never clean it. So the color doesn't really matter as long as it's not
hot pink or something and not too dark. Our local dump has Hazardous
Waste Day once a month where people bring in among other things lots
of left over paint. I can do the planet a favor and get free paint in
the deal. Maybe there is something similar in your area.
Mike
<<<___ Bob ___>>> wrote:
> Anybody got ideas/recommendations about preferable color schemes for a
> shop ?? What I was wondering is : since I will be using primarily
> fluorescent lighting, would it be wise to offset the blue-white color by
> painting ceilings and/or upper walls some light shades of yellow or tan
> to "warm" them up a bit ??
2 coats of white primer, 2 coats of pure white gloss or semi gloss. You
want it bright to reduce shadows. A hard surface makes it easier to clean.
All whites are not created equal, some whites have a tint.
Trying to 'offset' the color of the lighting with paint is fruitless, it
will just get you a more incorrect color. Your minds eye will do all the
color correction you need.
If your trying to make it a more pleasant place to work, leave that to
your tools.
--
Mark
N.E. Ohio
Never argue with a fool, a bystander can't tell you apart. (S. Clemens,
A.K.A. Mark Twain)
When in doubt hit the throttle. It may not help but it sure ends the
suspense. (Gaz, r.moto)
<<___ Bob ___ wrote:
> Anybody got ideas/recommendations about preferable color schemes for a
Like everybody said, white. I have cheapss flourescents with cheapass GE
bulbs. No cool white warm spectrum extra purple low UV expensive stuff.
Whatever color difference there is between the shop and the real world has
never been a problem.
Any color you paint other than white will reduce the level of brightness in
the room considerably. I didn't realize how true this was until I
repainted my living room. Used to be eggshell matte white, which wasn't
all that bright to start with. Replaced with glossy pale sky blue. I used
to keep the room quite bright (daylight bright) with one 300W halogen floor
lamp. Now with that and a triple 100W incandescent fixture the brightness
level in the room is maybe 50% of what it used to be with only 300W of
light. My lighting costs have gone way up in there.
White, white, white.
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Keith Carlson wandered in from the void and babbled something like:
> All white with
>flourescent lights would make me feel like I'm at work.
Ahhh, but that is what the TV, radio, and various and sundry doo-dads
and artwork are for. ;-) (Snap-on calenders?)
Makes it seem a LOT less like 'work'.
Greg
Actually, I'm surprised that woodworking tool manufacturers don't give
away calendars with babes draped over their table saws and joiners...
New way to get wood in the workshop...
I use only white paint, but I'm sure Martha Stewart would not approve.
On Sun, 14 Dec 2003 00:08:17 GMT, "<<<___ Bob ___>>>"
<[email protected]> wrote:
>Anybody got ideas/recommendations about preferable color schemes for a
>shop ?? What I was wondering is : since I will be using primarily
>fluorescent lighting, would it be wise to offset the blue-white color by
>painting ceilings and/or upper walls some light shades of yellow or tan
>to "warm" them up a bit ??
>
>
>
> <<<__ Bob __>>>
>
Tim Douglass wrote:
> But our problem isn't technology or manufacturing, it is the will to
> do it. If we decided to we could be to Jupiter by 2010 easily using
> technology we've already developed. Getting back after landing might
> be a bit more complicated, however. ;-)
True. That's just it though. There's no will to do it. I can watch the
History Channel and imagine what it was like during the Space Race, but my
lifetime has been dedicedly boring in this area. I was born in '72. We
had the shuttle, which was very exciting at first. I have no idea how many
different versions of the Columbia I put together. Plastic, wood, popsicle
sticks, Lego, Loc Block, the Moonraker version... Usually with a Hubble
Telescope, which was going to be very exciting.
They didn't even launch the telescope until probably more than a decade
after those early years, and now they're already talking about scuttling
it. The ISS is a real snoozer too. Some little odd collection of tin cans
floating up there somewhere misunderstood and unappreciated. It may
actually *be* exciting, but it doesn't get any press, and nobody cares. I
don't care either, really.
We need to send a probe into Europa to see if Clarke's plant thing is in
there. He was wrong about the sands of Mars, but there's still time to
give him one more shot before he kicks off. (Or has he already? He has to
be what, 150, 200 years old by now? :)
--
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On Tue, 16 Dec 2003 04:33:11 GMT, "Keith Carlson"
<[email protected]> wrote:
>"<<<___ Bob ___>>>" <[email protected]> wrote in message
>news:[email protected]...
>> Anybody got ideas/recommendations about preferable color schemes for a
>> shop ?? What I was wondering is : since I will be using primarily
>> fluorescent lighting, would it be wise to offset the blue-white color by
>> painting ceilings and/or upper walls some light shades of yellow or tan
>> to "warm" them up a bit ??
>>
>>
Personally, I hate flourescent lights - I find that I do not get
accurate feelings for the colours that are illuminated by them, and I
don't feel comfortable under flourescent light - call me wierd!
My shop is lit with incandescent floods, the walls and floor are wood,
and there is a very warm feel to the shop. I am happy just sitting up
there drinking a cup of coffee and staring out the window.
Juergen Hannappel wrote:
>> light. My lighting costs have gone way up in there.
>
> 3 lamps with 100W are less bright than one with 300W, because the
> efficiency of a halogen lamp increases with power.
Re-reading my post, it wasn't as crisply clear as it might have been. I
mean the original 300W halogen, *plus* another three 100W incandescent
bulbs. I'm burning 600W for half the light. Even if we allow that the
indandescent fixture is only half as efficient as the halogen, I'm still
putting the equivalent of 450W of halogen light into a room that used to be
quite bright with only one lamp at 80% of full brightness.
Wall color makes a *big* difference. Or perhaps in this case the ceiling
color is a bigger factor. Either way.
--
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Linux fanatic, and certified Geek; registered Linux user #243621
http://www.geocities.com/Paris/Rue/5407/
what ever floats your boat, Bobby! YOU are the one that will be living
with it. What if you got 10 responses that said to paint it pink?
Would you take those suggestions to heart?
For once I agree with the Fountain of Knowledge; paint it white (sorry,
Mick)
dave
<<<___ Bob ___>>> wrote:
> Anybody got ideas/recommendations about preferable color schemes for a
> shop ?? What I was wondering is : since I will be using primarily
> fluorescent lighting, would it be wise to offset the blue-white color by
> painting ceilings and/or upper walls some light shades of yellow or tan
> to "warm" them up a bit ??
>
>
>
> <<<__ Bob __>>>
>
>
In article <[email protected]>, "George M. Kazaka" <[email protected]> wrote:
>PINK, HMMMMMMM
Hey, George, he *is* from the Bay Area, ya know...
>"Bay Area Dave" <[email protected]> wrote in message
>news:[email protected]...
>> what ever floats your boat, Bobby! YOU are the one that will be living
>> with it. What if you got 10 responses that said to paint it pink?
--
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How come we choose from just two people to run for president and 50 for Miss America?
ToolMiser wrote:
> interest. I still would like to eventually do something to the low
> ceiling. I can't decide how or what!
Get your priorities right. Demolish the living room so you can have a
cathedral ceiling in the basement shop. :)
--
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Linux fanatic, and certified Geek; registered Linux user #243621
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On Sun, 14 Dec 2003 00:03:38 -0500 (EST), [email protected]
(T.) wrote:
> Gloss white. Floors, walls, ceiling. Basically, everything but
>the windows and doorknob.
If you add some floor lights, your shop will look like a set from
"2001, A Space Odyssey". <G>
Maybe if you try to make an unsafe table saw cut, your saw will say:
"I'm sorry, JOAT. I'm afraid I can't do that."
Barry
In article <[email protected]>, "<<<___ Bob ___>>>" <[email protected]> wrote:
>Anybody got ideas/recommendations about preferable color schemes for a
>shop ?? What I was wondering is : since I will be using primarily
>fluorescent lighting, would it be wise to offset the blue-white color by
>painting ceilings and/or upper walls some light shades of yellow or tan
>to "warm" them up a bit ??
>
White. All white. You want it as bright as possible.
--
Doug Miller (alphageek at milmac dot com)
How come we choose from just two people to run for president and 50 for Miss America?
Sun, Dec 14, 2003, 6:14am (EST+5) [email protected] (Bay=A0Area=A0Dave)
burbled:
can you EVER make your mind about anything?
Why, yes, Homer, yes I can. I can make up my mind about a lot of
things. I've made up my mind I'm going to paint my new palm sander
yellow.
http://www.jahozafat.com/TV_Shows/Simpsons/flanderssong.wav
JOAT
Life may not be the party we hoped for, but while we are here we might
as well dance.
- Unknown
Life just ain't life without good music. - JOAT
Web Page Update 14 Dec 2003.
Some tunes I like.
http://community-2.webtv.net/Jakofalltrades/SOMETUNESILIKE/
B a r r y B u r k e J r . wrote:
> Maybe if you try to make an unsafe table saw cut, your saw will say:
> "I'm sorry, JOAT. I'm afraid I can't do that."
He really missed the ball with that one. Grossly over-estimated how far we
would come. Jupiter by 2010? Not bloody likely.
Maybe China. Not America. We're out of the game now. We can't even get to
our own damn space station.
--
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Linux fanatic, and certified Geek; registered Linux user #243621
http://www.geocities.com/Paris/Rue/5407/
PINK, HMMMMMMM
"Bay Area Dave" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> what ever floats your boat, Bobby! YOU are the one that will be living
> with it. What if you got 10 responses that said to paint it pink?
> Would you take those suggestions to heart?
>
> For once I agree with the Fountain of Knowledge; paint it white (sorry,
> Mick)
>
> dave
>
> <<<___ Bob ___>>> wrote:
>
> > Anybody got ideas/recommendations about preferable color schemes for a
> > shop ?? What I was wondering is : since I will be using primarily
> > fluorescent lighting, would it be wise to offset the blue-white color by
> > painting ceilings and/or upper walls some light shades of yellow or tan
> > to "warm" them up a bit ??
> >
> >
> >
> > <<<__ Bob __>>>
> >
> >
>
On Sun, 14 Dec 2003 09:48:58 -0500, Silvan
<[email protected]> wrote:
>B a r r y B u r k e J r . wrote:
>
>> Maybe if you try to make an unsafe table saw cut, your saw will say:
>> "I'm sorry, JOAT. I'm afraid I can't do that."
>
>He really missed the ball with that one. Grossly over-estimated how far we
>would come. Jupiter by 2010? Not bloody likely.
>
>Maybe China. Not America. We're out of the game now. We can't even get to
>our own damn space station.
But our problem isn't technology or manufacturing, it is the will to
do it. If we decided to we could be to Jupiter by 2010 easily using
technology we've already developed. Getting back after landing might
be a bit more complicated, however. ;-)
Tim Douglass
http://www.DouglassClan.com
"Rico" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> Greg O wrote:
> >
> > Gloss or semi-gloss white.
> > There are no other choices!
> > Greg
> >
> >
> >
> Eggshell or satin reflect just as much light with less glare
> and are still washable.
>
>
I just painted my shop, used semi-gloss white. No problems with glare.
24 x 38 foot shop, 24 two foot flouresant fixtures, 5 or so 100 watt
incandesants.
Greg
"<<<___ Bob ___>>>" <[email protected]> writes:
> Anybody got ideas/recommendations about preferable color schemes for a
> shop ?? What I was wondering is : since I will be using primarily
> fluorescent lighting, would it be wise to offset the blue-white color by
> painting ceilings and/or upper walls some light shades of yellow or tan
> to "warm" them up a bit ??
Use white, but in view of the many suggestions of glossy be careful of
what kind of paint you apply to you walls. In my workshop (actually a
cellar) someone with a warped sense of esthetics painted the wall with
green glossy impermeable paint. Now the moisture that wanted to come
out of the wall pushed the paint with the plaster below it off the
stones...
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Silvan <[email protected]> writes:
[...]
> to keep the room quite bright (daylight bright) with one 300W halogen floor
Not nearly daylight bright, it just seems that way compared to the
'corpse candles' usually found.
> lamp. Now with that and a triple 100W incandescent fixture the brightness
> level in the room is maybe 50% of what it used to be with only 300W of
> light. My lighting costs have gone way up in there.
3 lamps with 100W are less bright than one with 300W, because the
efficiency of a halogen lamp increases with power.
--
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mailto:[email protected] Phone: +49 228 73 2447 FAX ... 7869
Physikalisches Institut der Uni Bonn Nussallee 12, D-53115 Bonn, Germany
CERN: Phone: +412276 76461 Fax: ..77930 Bat. 892-R-A13 CH-1211 Geneve 23
Greg wrote:
> Keith Carlson wandered in from the void and babbled something like:
>
>
>>All white with
>>flourescent lights would make me feel like I'm at work.
>
>
> Ahhh, but that is what the TV, radio, and various and sundry doo-dads
> and artwork are for. ;-) (Snap-on calenders?)
> Makes it seem a LOT less like 'work'.
>
> Greg
>
> Actually, I'm surprised that woodworking tool manufacturers don't give
> away calendars with babes draped over their table saws and joiners...
> New way to get wood in the workshop...
Nyuk Nyuk Nyuk, I've a really nice Snap On battery operated clock with a
fine babe in lingerie above the door of the shop, about 12"x24", a
treasure of years gone by.