I have a Craftsman Model 22104 and I purchased an adjustable dado
blade, nothing fancy nothing to expensive. I put it on my saw but after
the installment I noticed there was not much room for the washer and
the nut. This dado has a 5/8 or 3/4 arbor setting, just a sleeve that
fits inside the 3/4 hole for the 5/8 arbor. I just don't feel even a
little safe putting it on with out the washer, yet there is only a bout
3 threads showing. Without the washer the blade turns with the nut on,
it barely covers the sleeve. Are the craftsman ones thinner?
"Gus" <[email protected]> wrote in message
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> Leon wrote:
> > "Stephen M" <[email protected]> wrote in message
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> >
> > >
> > > Stacked sets are generally more pricey, but will cost more.
> >
> > Humm... I never thought of it that way.... :~)
>
> And I also heard that the pricey sets that cost more are also more
> expensive!
Yes, but are they better?
That's only one of the many shortcomings of Crapsman tools. It isn't
safe to install a dado set any thicker than the arbor will hold without
full engagement on the nut threads. You can get around this with a
thinner dado and multiple passes with spacer blocks on the fence.
Keep your eyes open for a good used Delta or other brand name machine
and dump that thing. You'll be amazed at the difference.
Bugs
Bugs wrote:
> That's only one of the many shortcomings of Crapsman tools. It isn't
> safe to install a dado set any thicker than the arbor will hold without
> full engagement on the nut threads. You can get around this with a
> thinner dado and multiple passes with spacer blocks on the fence.
> Keep your eyes open for a good used Delta or other brand name machine
> and dump that thing. You'll be amazed at the difference.
> Bugs
Obviously, you are totally unfamiliar with the Craftsman 22104,114,124
hybrid saws.
They are very good units indeed.
In fact, Delta is now selling more "crap" than just about anyone else.
Leon wrote:
> "Stephen M" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> news:[email protected]...
>
> >
> > Stacked sets are generally more pricey, but will cost more.
>
> Humm... I never thought of it that way.... :~)
And I also heard that the pricey sets that cost more are also more
expensive!
ks wrote:
> "Gus" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> news:[email protected]...
> >
> > Leon wrote:
> > > "Stephen M" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> > > news:[email protected]...
> > >
> > > >
> > > > Stacked sets are generally more pricey, but will cost more.
> > >
> > > Humm... I never thought of it that way.... :~)
> >
> > And I also heard that the pricey sets that cost more are also more
> > expensive!
>
> Yes, but are they better?
Don't know.
I WILL say that I have a Forrest "Dado King" set that produces the best
dadoes I've ever seen. Also, the blades are incredibly sharp. You can
do yourself a major injury just putting it on the saw!
Enoch Root wrote:
> Gus wrote:
> > ks wrote:
> >
> >>"Gus" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> >>news:[email protected]...
> >>
> >>>Leon wrote:
> >>>
> >>>>"Stephen M" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> >>>>news:[email protected]...
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>>Stacked sets are generally more pricey, but will cost more.
> >>>>
> >>>>Humm... I never thought of it that way.... :~)
> >>>
> >>>And I also heard that the pricey sets that cost more are also more
> >>>expensive!
> >>
> >>Yes, but are they better?
> >
> >
> > Don't know.
> >
> > I WILL say that I have a Forrest "Dado King" set that produces the best
> > dadoes I've ever seen. Also, the blades are incredibly sharp. You can
> > do yourself a major injury just putting it on the saw!
>
> Yeah, but how does it cut wood?
>
Even better than it cuts human flesh!
I broke down and purchased a freud Diablo stacked blade at HD, as you
said its pricey but I am sure it will be worth it. Only thing I don't
like is the shims are not marked, good thing I have calipers from my
Aircraft metal working days.
Stephen M wrote:
> "bdeditch" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> news:[email protected]...
> > I have a Craftsman Model 22104 and I purchased an adjustable dado
> > blade, nothing fancy nothing to expensive.
>
>
> I hat a wobble-type dado blade? Measure of your "blade" where it fits on the
> arbor. A stacked blade set will be slightly less wide than the cut you
> choose (the carbide tips are a little wider than the saw plate).
>
> Stacked sets are generally more pricey, but will cost more. I've been happy
> with my Freud.
>
> -Steve
What can I say? Those who enjoy Crapsman tools are entitled to waller
around in their ignorance. Most of the comments involved buying very
expensive dado sets, not the capacity of the mandrel on the saw. I
'inherited' a barely used Crapsman dado set. The blades are .030" too
wide and make a terrible cut. Anyone wants them, they are welcome for
the cost of shipping. LOL
Bugs
Huh? Router cut dadoes faster than dado-set? Not likely.
Dado set can slice out material enormously faster than router bit,
almost without mechanical effort, relatively speaking.
Only advantage or router, if it can be accurately guided, is the
precision of the resulting cut face.
(Not to be construed as statement that you don't need both!)
J
Bugs wrote:
> What can I say? Those who enjoy Crapsman tools are entitled to waller
> around in their ignorance. Most of the comments involved buying very
> expensive dado sets, not the capacity of the mandrel on the saw. I
> 'inherited' a barely used Crapsman dado set. The blades are .030" too
> wide and make a terrible cut. Anyone wants them, they are welcome for
> the cost of shipping. LOL
> Bugs
There's no problem with the mandrel capacity on that saw.
I use my Forrest set on it all the time at full capacity.
And FWIW, it is perfectly acceptable to run a dado set without the
outside blade washer.
Gus
Rob, if you look in your owners manual its states that you can just use
the nut to hold your Dado blade in if its to much for the arbor.
Rob wrote:
> When grilled further on (23 Dec 2005 09:09:36 -0800),
> "Gus" <[email protected]> confessed:
>
> >
> > And FWIW, it is perfectly acceptable to run a dado set without the
> > outside blade washer.
>
> Thanks for that clear, concise answer. I have a Craftsman saw also, and with a stacked dado set, I can just get to 3/4" with the outside washer. Might get to 7/8" now (if I need it).
>
> Cheers,
> Rob
"Mike W." <[email protected]> wrote in message
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> Agreed. I think everyone can see who's showing ignorance here... A guy
> asks about a Dado set and has his TS shredded.
>
>
Yep! I have a Delta TS, my neighbor has an old Craftsman TS with a Biesmeyer
fence. He does better work than I with his "crappy" saw! In reality it is a
pretty nice saw. He got it for free, and has tuned it up really well. New
fence, and later a new motor when the 30+ year old original burned out. I
have used it myself and it compares equally with a $1000 Delta contractors
saw. Can't complain as he has less than $400 in it!
Greg
"LP" <[email protected]> wrote in message
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> On Fri, 23 Dec 2005 09:03:29 -0500, "Mike Marlow"
> <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>
> >While not commenting on the Freud blade at all, at $250 you've got all
the
> >justification to spend that same amount of money on a good router that
will
> >do a much better and faster job on those dadoes- plus a lot more.
Plus...
> >you will have satisfied that primal urge, and dare I say perhaps even a
> >Biblical mandate... that men continue to purchase tools to add to the toy
> >box.... err, workshop.
>
> Since I own eight routers, I went beyond that justification years ago.
>
> I have to disagree with a router being faster and better, particularly
> when doing production work. Every once in a while there is a
> situation where the router is called for, but in general the tried and
> true method is best, every time. If we take four pieces of wood, each
> requiring eight dados, I can have them cut and go for coffee in the
> time it will take to just do the layout for cutting them with a
> router.
>
How so, if you have to change over the saw? Once I put the bit in my router
and set the depth of cut, all I have to do is set my fence for the proper
spacing. You'd have to set your fence on a table saw as well. Now - I can
agree that the saw will cut faster than the router and for a production shop
that's certainly important, especially if you're doing a run on a particular
piece, but for most folks in this group, we're not doing production work.
I'd guess that it's more typical that we have to cut dados on a more
occasional basis, and typically not 8 per piece. Most folks here would have
to go through the complete change over process of the saw and that doesn't
happen in less time than it takes to chuck a bit in a router.
> Toy box? Yours, maybe. Mine is a place of work.
Picky, picky, picky. Mine is not a place of work. That's why I hang out in
a usenet newsgroup that is in the "rec" family.
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-Mike-
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When grilled further on (23 Dec 2005 09:09:36 -0800),
"Gus" <[email protected]> confessed:
>
> And FWIW, it is perfectly acceptable to run a dado set without the
> outside blade washer.
Thanks for that clear, concise answer. I have a Craftsman saw also, and with a stacked dado set, I can just get to 3/4" with the outside washer. Might get to 7/8" now (if I need it).
Cheers,
Rob
"LP" <[email protected]> wrote in message
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> >> >>>>"Stephen M" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> >> >>>>news:[email protected]...
> >> >>>>
> >> >>>>
> >> >>>>>Stacked sets are generally more pricey, but will cost more.
>
> And amongst the most pricey is the Freud Dial A Width set. $250, give
> or take, and produces dead flat bottoms and super sharp inside
> corners. Dead easy to set width once you figure out the system.
> Downside? Takes a pretty long arbor so it wont fit all saws.
While not commenting on the Freud blade at all, at $250 you've got all the
justification to spend that same amount of money on a good router that will
do a much better and faster job on those dadoes- plus a lot more. Plus...
you will have satisfied that primal urge, and dare I say perhaps even a
Biblical mandate... that men continue to purchase tools to add to the toy
box.... err, workshop.
--
-Mike-
[email protected]
Don't listen to that stuff about 'Crapsman'. He's probably not seen the
new line or just has a hangup from the crap they put out in the past.
They aren't Unisaws, but the new Craftsman saws are quite nice and are
comparable in every aspect to other saws in the same 'contractor' saw
price range.
I am by no means an expert, but as for the dado issue: I have the 22114
and the Freud Diablo stacked blade I got at HD on sale for 79.00 or so a
while back. I make 3/4" wide dadoes just fine. IIRC for 3/4" they use
all but one of the chippers and two of the small shims so its pretty
thick. I can still get the arbor washer on and manage enough turns of
the nut to feel confident it was secure. I don't know how thick the
center of the wobble dado cutter you have is but it may be that its just
too big. Maybe the body of your dado cutter fulfills the role of the
washer and its not needed? Check the documentation that came with it.
But most of all go by this mantra...
IF YOU DON'T FEEL SAFE DOING SOMETHING, DON'T DO IT!!!!! Buy a new dado
set that fits and make more small passes. No need to get yourself hurt
or worse gambling that something is safe when it may not be.
Mike W.
bdeditch wrote:
> I have a Craftsman Model 22104 and I purchased an adjustable dado
> blade, nothing fancy nothing to expensive. I put it on my saw but after
> the installment I noticed there was not much room for the washer and
> the nut. This dado has a 5/8 or 3/4 arbor setting, just a sleeve that
> fits inside the 3/4 hole for the 5/8 arbor. I just don't feel even a
> little safe putting it on with out the washer, yet there is only a bout
> 3 threads showing. Without the washer the blade turns with the nut on,
> it barely covers the sleeve. Are the craftsman ones thinner?
>
"Stephen M" <[email protected]> wrote in message
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>
> Stacked sets are generally more pricey, but will cost more.
Humm... I never thought of it that way.... :~)
Beat me to it. :)
"Leon" <[email protected]> wrote in message
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> "Stephen M" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> news:[email protected]...
>
> >
> > Stacked sets are generally more pricey, but will cost more.
>
> Humm... I never thought of it that way.... :~)
>
>
"bdeditch" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> I have a Craftsman Model 22104 and I purchased an adjustable dado
> blade, nothing fancy nothing to expensive.
I hat a wobble-type dado blade? Measure of your "blade" where it fits on the
arbor. A stacked blade set will be slightly less wide than the cut you
choose (the carbide tips are a little wider than the saw plate).
Stacked sets are generally more pricey, but will cost more. I've been happy
with my Freud.
-Steve
"Bugs" <[email protected]> wrote in message
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> What can I say? Those who enjoy Crapsman tools are entitled to waller
> around in their ignorance.
It seems to me that you are showing your ignorance, of that particular tool.
The prevailing opinion is that those recent C-man saws are real legitimate
contenders at that price point. I used to own a C-man saw; it was not the
greatest but it could me made to produce some decent work. You're being
elitest.
> Most of the comments involved buying very
> expensive dado sets, not the capacity of the mandrel on the saw.
The guy as asked for dado blade help and you told him to buy a new saw.
What's your point? And to be specific, I suggested a different *type* of
dado, not a different quality.
> I 'inherited' a barely used Crapsman dado set. The blades are .030" too
> wide
Dude, choose a smaller raker and use the shims? Stock thickness is seldom
exact. That's what the shims are for.
> and make a terrible cut. Anyone wants them, they are welcome for
> the cost of shipping. LOL
> Bugs
Ok, so we'll put you in the camp of folks who think that it's worth it to
pay more for a decent dado set.
-Steve
"CW" <[email protected]> wrote in message
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> Beat me to it. :)
>
Yeah and only one decent answer and he had to take all this abuse.
<[email protected]> wrote in message
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> Huh? Router cut dadoes faster than dado-set? Not likely.
>
> Dado set can slice out material enormously faster than router bit,
> almost without mechanical effort, relatively speaking.
>
> Only advantage or router, if it can be accurately guided, is the
> precision of the resulting cut face.
>
> (Not to be construed as statement that you don't need both!)
>
> J
>
When you consider the set up time, the time to change over the blades, etc.
I doubt that the dado blade comes out enormously faster. I'll bet you...
ummmmm.... something, that I can stick a bit in my router, set the depth,
and throw a guide on the workpiece (assuming I don't just use my table and
simply set the fence), and proceed to plow a dado faster than you can
accomplish the same with your table saw. And... when I'm done, I don't have
to change the blade over again, so I'm off to cutting the next piece while
you're changing your saw over.
--
-Mike-
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>> >>>>"Stephen M" <[email protected]> wrote in message
>> >>>>news:[email protected]...
>> >>>>
>> >>>>
>> >>>>>Stacked sets are generally more pricey, but will cost more.
And amongst the most pricey is the Freud Dial A Width set. $250, give
or take, and produces dead flat bottoms and super sharp inside
corners. Dead easy to set width once you figure out the system.
Downside? Takes a pretty long arbor so it wont fit all saws.
Agreed. I think everyone can see who's showing ignorance here... A guy
asks about a Dado set and has his TS shredded.
In any case, in my previous post I mentioned a Freud Diable dado set and
I was incorrect. Its just a Freud Dado set... it doesn't say Diablo
anywhere on it. I just ran some 3/4" dado's <nominally> on some 3/4"
oak ply and they came out beautifully.
I would recommend getting the Forrest WoodWorker II thin kerf blade,
though. I got one a few projects after I got the saw and the difference
is amazing.
Mike W.
Stephen M wrote:
> "Bugs" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> news:[email protected]...
>
>>What can I say? Those who enjoy Crapsman tools are entitled to waller
>>around in their ignorance.
>
>
> It seems to me that you are showing your ignorance, of that particular tool.
> The prevailing opinion is that those recent C-man saws are real legitimate
> contenders at that price point. I used to own a C-man saw; it was not the
> greatest but it could me made to produce some decent work. You're being
> elitest.
>
>
>>Most of the comments involved buying very
>>expensive dado sets, not the capacity of the mandrel on the saw.
>
>
> The guy as asked for dado blade help and you told him to buy a new saw.
> What's your point? And to be specific, I suggested a different *type* of
> dado, not a different quality.
>
>
>>I 'inherited' a barely used Crapsman dado set. The blades are .030" too
>>wide
>
>
> Dude, choose a smaller raker and use the shims? Stock thickness is seldom
> exact. That's what the shims are for.
>
>
>>and make a terrible cut. Anyone wants them, they are welcome for
>>the cost of shipping. LOL
>>Bugs
>
>
> Ok, so we'll put you in the camp of folks who think that it's worth it to
> pay more for a decent dado set.
>
> -Steve
>
>
On Fri, 23 Dec 2005 09:03:29 -0500, "Mike Marlow"
<[email protected]> wrote:
>While not commenting on the Freud blade at all, at $250 you've got all the
>justification to spend that same amount of money on a good router that will
>do a much better and faster job on those dadoes- plus a lot more. Plus...
>you will have satisfied that primal urge, and dare I say perhaps even a
>Biblical mandate... that men continue to purchase tools to add to the toy
>box.... err, workshop.
Since I own eight routers, I went beyond that justification years ago.
I have to disagree with a router being faster and better, particularly
when doing production work. Every once in a while there is a
situation where the router is called for, but in general the tried and
true method is best, every time. If we take four pieces of wood, each
requiring eight dados, I can have them cut and go for coffee in the
time it will take to just do the layout for cutting them with a
router.
Toy box? Yours, maybe. Mine is a place of work.
Gus wrote:
> ks wrote:
>
>>"Gus" <[email protected]> wrote in message
>>news:[email protected]...
>>
>>>Leon wrote:
>>>
>>>>"Stephen M" <[email protected]> wrote in message
>>>>news:[email protected]...
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>Stacked sets are generally more pricey, but will cost more.
>>>>
>>>>Humm... I never thought of it that way.... :~)
>>>
>>>And I also heard that the pricey sets that cost more are also more
>>>expensive!
>>
>>Yes, but are they better?
>
>
> Don't know.
>
> I WILL say that I have a Forrest "Dado King" set that produces the best
> dadoes I've ever seen. Also, the blades are incredibly sharp. You can
> do yourself a major injury just putting it on the saw!
Yeah, but how does it cut wood?
er
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