How to get a 198 lb bandsaw off the truck?

Norman D. Crow wrote:
> <[email protected]> wrote in message
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>>On Tue, 28 Dec 2004 01:11:28 -0500, Silvan
>><[email protected]> wrote:
>>
>>
>>>(Which is a very complicated way of saying I wasn't born yet. Not until
>>>'72, back when half of you people around here still had hair.)
>>
>>
>>holy shit! I'm *that* much older than you?
>
>
> Darn infants! Born 11/10/36
>
Hey, hey, hey!! You're exactly 30 years younger than the Marine Corps -
to the day!! ;-)

mahalo,
jo4hn

p.s. and exactly 10 years older than Maggy, but don't tell her I told...

> The truck driver
placed an old tire below the back of his truck and gently guided the package
down (I was watching from my garage).

Now you know how to get 50 gallon drums of oil off of the truck and onto the
ground. Tire on the ground, drop the drum onto it's side, roll off the truck
onto the tire, which is placed off center to the drum and the drum pops up
off of the tire onto the ground and you roll into your shop.....

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"WD" <[email protected]> wrote in message
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> On Sun, 26 Dec 2004 00:36:35 GMT, igor <[email protected]> wrote:
>
> My Grizzle 14" came without lift gate or any lifting device. The truck
driver
> placed an old tire below the back of his truck and gently guided the
package
> down (I was watching from my garage). After which we lifted the package
onto my
> homemade 3'X4" moveable steel platform and helped me push it into the
garage. It
> was like a piece of cake. He must have done it over a thousand times.
>
> >My Grizzly 14" bandsaw is on its way. Unfortunately, the "local" truck
> >depot is about 75 minutes away (at best), so I'd like to have Grizzly's
> >trucking company deliver to my home shop, since I paid for the mileage.
I
> >did ask Grizzly and they said that the saw in the box can safely be
placed
> >on its side, and 198 pounds is not much to lower from the truck. (I do
> >have a hand truck to take it from the side of the truck to the shop.)
> >Unfortunately, I cannot be sure I can get mid-day help to do this. I'm
> >thinking some $$ inducement might inspire the driver -- it would be less
> >than 60 seconds of help to slide it down the back of the truck to the
> >ground. It's not as if I'm getting an 8" jointer. (Not yet.)
> >
> >Any other ideas for doing this? Anyone know if the truck typically used
> >for this has a slot in which I might hook a ramp -- like U-haul trucks
> >have? Any homemade ramp designs? I figure that for anything <250 pounds
a
> >ramp would be an OK solution - even a steep ramp just for sliding the
box.
> >-- Igor
>
>

Igor,

I just got mine a couple of days ago and had the same situation. The
trucking company said the driver would help, but I'd call to confirm in
your case. My brother showed up for the holidays and he and I lifted
it from the floor of a semi to the ground on a hand truck (dolly). The
trucking company can reschedule a delivery to you for when you have
help on hand (they did for me) if that helps.

Joe



igor wrote:
> My Grizzly 14" bandsaw is on its way. Unfortunately, the "local"
truck
> depot is about 75 minutes away (at best), so I'd like to have
Grizzly's
> trucking company deliver to my home shop, since I paid for the
mileage. I
> did ask Grizzly and they said that the saw in the box can safely be
placed
> on its side, and 198 pounds is not much to lower from the truck. (I
do
> have a hand truck to take it from the side of the truck to the shop.)
> Unfortunately, I cannot be sure I can get mid-day help to do this.
I'm
> thinking some $$ inducement might inspire the driver -- it would be
less
> than 60 seconds of help to slide it down the back of the truck to the
> ground. It's not as if I'm getting an 8" jointer. (Not yet.)
>
> Any other ideas for doing this? Anyone know if the truck typically
used
> for this has a slot in which I might hook a ramp -- like U-haul
trucks
> have? Any homemade ramp designs? I figure that for anything <250
pounds a
> ramp would be an OK solution - even a steep ramp just for sliding the
box.
> -- Igor

>Never have I had any trucker hesitate to provide assistance,
>and when they have assisted, it has often been far beyond
>anything I might have expected.
>
>All that said, you have the be prepared to lower the thing
>on your own just in case...

I've had similar experiences... It seems like the more prepared you
appear the more willing the driver is to help.

If its just a G555 though it won't be any problem. I picked one up at
Grizzly, and my wife and I unloaded it off of our pickup without
problem. Worst case, be ready to open it and take out as pieces...
Scott

You also might consider a little something nice for the driver like a little
package of the Mrs.' cookies or a nice cup of coffee or something like that.

When I was driving a truck I delivered a load of 30 sacks (150#) of coffee
beans to an independent coffee roaster and he filled my thermos with some
fresh brewed java. This made a real nice gesture and I didn't feel so bad
about lugging those heavy sacks.

--

Roger Shoaf

About the time I had mastered getting the toothpaste back in the tube, then
they come up with this striped stuff.
"Silvan" <[email protected]> wrote in message
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> igor wrote:
>
> > Any other ideas for doing this? Anyone know if the truck typically used
> > for this has a slot in which I might hook a ramp -- like U-haul trucks
> > have? Any homemade ramp designs? I figure that for anything <250
pounds
> > a ramp would be an OK solution - even a steep ramp just for sliding the
> > box. -- Igor
>
> It's not the weight. 198 pounds is really rather trivial as stuff that
> ships on trucks goes. (I'm a truck driver. I shove things off the ass
end
> of my truck all day long.)
>
> The problem getting 198 pounds to the ground without a lift gate is with
the
> length of the box. If you have a box about 6' long that weighs 400
pounds,
> it's not too difficult a matter to shove it off the truck and lever it
down
> to the ground, using the edge of the trailer itself as the fulcrum to take
> up most of the weight (being careful not to snag it on door hooks and
> whatnot). If the box is only 3' long, then it gets bitchy. There's not
> much for it but to put somebody (or a pair of somebodys) on the ground to
> more or less try to hold it up and lower it slowly, rather than letting it
> plummet with a big clunk.
>
> I would guess the bandsaw box is probably at the bitchy end of the
spectrum,
> but 198 pounds isn't too much for two people to handle. The driver should
> help hold it up from his end while you lower it. Once you get it on the
> ground, it should be no problem to hand truck it around.
>
> Or maybe he has a liftgate. I guess that will become apparent when he
gets
> there.
>
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Lee Gordon wrote:

> It must depend on how that 220-230 lbs is distributed. <g> That's
about
> how much I weigh too but, while it took just the two of us to load my
> (formerly your) jointer (about 265 lbs worth, I'm guessing) onto my
van, I
> needed to trick .. er, recruit ... two warm bodies to help me unload
it.
>
> Lee

Lee...

I seem to recall, however, that it took you nearly a month to recruit
those warm bodies, while your jointer languished -- lovely word,
languished -- in the back of said van.
I think I even read about it somewhere. <g>

A.J.

On Sun, 26 Dec 2004 00:36:35 GMT, igor <[email protected]>
wrote:

>My Grizzly 14" bandsaw is on its way. Unfortunately, the "local" truck
>depot is about 75 minutes away (at best), so I'd like to have Grizzly's
>trucking company deliver to my home shop, since I paid for the mileage. I
>did ask Grizzly and they said that the saw in the box can safely be placed
>on its side, and 198 pounds is not much to lower from the truck. (I do
>have a hand truck to take it from the side of the truck to the shop.)
>Unfortunately, I cannot be sure I can get mid-day help to do this. I'm
>thinking some $$ inducement might inspire the driver -- it would be less
>than 60 seconds of help to slide it down the back of the truck to the
>ground. It's not as if I'm getting an 8" jointer. (Not yet.)
>
>Any other ideas for doing this? Anyone know if the truck typically used
>for this has a slot in which I might hook a ramp -- like U-haul trucks
>have? Any homemade ramp designs? I figure that for anything <250 pounds a
>ramp would be an OK solution - even a steep ramp just for sliding the box.
>-- Igor

Hi Igor,

First, the bad news:

As I understand this situation, the trucker is obligated
only to get the goods to the rear lip of the truck.

Now, the good news:

I receive a fair amount of trucked goods, some much heavier
than yours.

Never have I had any trucker hesitate to provide assistance,
and when they have assisted, it has often been far beyond
anything I might have expected.

All that said, you have the be prepared to lower the thing
on your own just in case...

In the grand scheme of things, your package is rather light.
With a friend, you could easily lower it to the ground with
no equipment whatever.

Were I in your shoes, I would invite a friend over, or, if
that were not possible, I'd have a pair of 2 x 10s handy for
a makeshift ramp.

Whatever you do, have fun with it!

All the best,

--
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In article <[email protected]>, Ba r r y
<[email protected]> wrote:

> I got my 265 pound bandsaw package out of my trailer and into the shop
> alone, but I'm 220-230 lbs. <G>

When I was about 185 (15 years and 50 pounds ago), I moved a spinet
piano, refrigerator, and washer and dryer by myself. Just me and my
little '89 Nissan Hardbody pickup, a few milk crates, and some creative
thinking. :-)

We gave that same piano to some friends for Christmas last year. It
took four of us to move it out of the pickup, down the sidewalk, and up
the (narrow!) stairs to their second floor apartment.

Kevin

In article <[email protected]>, Norman D. Crow
<[email protected]> wrote:

> "jo4hn" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> news:%[email protected]...
> > Norman D. Crow wrote:
> > > <[email protected]> wrote in message
> > > news:[email protected]...
> > >
> > >>On Tue, 28 Dec 2004 01:11:28 -0500, Silvan
> > >><[email protected]> wrote:
> > >>
> > >>
> > >>>(Which is a very complicated way of saying I wasn't born yet. Not
> until
> > >>>'72, back when half of you people around here still had hair.)
> > >>
> > >>
> > >>holy shit! I'm *that* much older than you?
> > >
> > >
> > > Darn infants! Born 11/10/36
> > >
> > Hey, hey, hey!! You're exactly 30 years younger than the Marine Corps -
> > to the day!! ;-)
>
> I didn't remember the age of the Marine Corps, but I knew it was the same
> birthday.

Hint: it wasn't *19*06 to which jo4hn was referring. ;-)

But by way of trivia, it wasn't '06 in any century. The Marines were
formed by act of the Second Continental Congress on 10 November 1775.

Kevin

On Sat, 25 Dec 2004 21:49:53 -0500, "Ollie"
<[email protected]> wrote:

>I share the same experience as Kenneth. I have received a 600 lb table saw,
>600 lb planer, 450 lb, jointer. and several lighter items even without being
>at home when the deliveries were done. In some cases, I got the service
>even without paying the additional lift gate fee ($75 - $125). At the end,
>I have been happy with the services received from the shipping companies.
>On other hand, it has been unnecessary difficult to arrange the delivery
>with Grizzly. The other companies (Wilkes) have been more flexible in the
>shipping arrangements.
>
From which companies did you make the purchases where the trucking
companies were good? And, what part of the country are you in? (I'm near
DC.) TIA. -- Igor

CLIP
> when I got mine in Williamsport,
CLIP

Is that Williamsport, PA? If so, tell me about the area... Thinking of
relocating to near Lewisburg/Shamokin. All I've learned so far is to avoid
the area near the river.
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igor wrote:

> Any other ideas for doing this? Anyone know if the truck typically used
> for this has a slot in which I might hook a ramp -- like U-haul trucks
> have? Any homemade ramp designs? I figure that for anything <250 pounds
> a ramp would be an OK solution - even a steep ramp just for sliding the
> box. -- Igor

It's not the weight. 198 pounds is really rather trivial as stuff that
ships on trucks goes. (I'm a truck driver. I shove things off the ass end
of my truck all day long.)

The problem getting 198 pounds to the ground without a lift gate is with the
length of the box. If you have a box about 6' long that weighs 400 pounds,
it's not too difficult a matter to shove it off the truck and lever it down
to the ground, using the edge of the trailer itself as the fulcrum to take
up most of the weight (being careful not to snag it on door hooks and
whatnot). If the box is only 3' long, then it gets bitchy. There's not
much for it but to put somebody (or a pair of somebodys) on the ground to
more or less try to hold it up and lower it slowly, rather than letting it
plummet with a big clunk.

I would guess the bandsaw box is probably at the bitchy end of the spectrum,
but 198 pounds isn't too much for two people to handle. The driver should
help hold it up from his end while you lower it. Once you get it on the
ground, it should be no problem to hand truck it around.

Or maybe he has a liftgate. I guess that will become apparent when he gets
there.

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Kenneth wrote:

> First, the bad news:
>
> As I understand this situation, the trucker is obligated
> only to get the goods to the rear lip of the truck.

Yup. "Tailgating" the freight.

> Never have I had any trucker hesitate to provide assistance,
> and when they have assisted, it has often been far beyond
> anything I might have expected.

Especially if you, or someone in your employ, is, um, easy on the eyes. :)

> Were I in your shoes, I would invite a friend over, or, if
> that were not possible, I'd have a pair of 2 x 10s handy for
> a makeshift ramp.

I would *not* bother with a ramp. We used to have ramps made out of
waterbed frames. Just about the same as two 2x10s, SYP. They were
completely worthless. Too springy, not slippery enough; worse than
nothing.

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C C wrote:

>The
> drivers are good at helping get the trucks unloaded.

That's because we want to go HOME. :)

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"Joe" <[email protected]> wrote in message
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> CLIP
> > when I got mine in Williamsport,
> CLIP
>
> Is that Williamsport, PA? If so, tell me about the area... Thinking of
> relocating to near Lewisburg/Shamokin. All I've learned so far is to
avoid
> the area near the river.
> --
>
>
> Regards,
> Joe Agro, Jr.

Joe,

I live about 1.5 hours North of Lewisburg. One of our sister companies is
in Lewisburg so I've spent a fair amount of time there. Email me at
[email protected] with your questions and I'll be glad to answer what
I can. If I can't answer them, I'll direct you to some of the people that
actually live down there.

Bryan

igor wrote:

> Since you are a truck driver, could you tell me if the truck typically
> used for this would have a slot at the back edge into which I might hook a
> ramp
> -- like U-haul trucks have? Maybe not for this delivery, but if I get
> any heavier stuff coming and I do rig up a ramp.

No. The only trucks that typically have something like that are household
goods trailers and some reefers. Some trucks used for local P&D stuff
(pickup and delivery) have lift gates. Some do not. YMMV.

> Also, I noticed that no one in this thread suggested a tip -- dollars,
> that
> is. Coffee, cookies, but no cash. Maybe it's because I live in a large
> metro area.

Cash is cool. I used to have a regular stop where the guy would do seven
kinds of dicking me around before finally getting the truck unloaded. He
would slip me $25, and I would smile and go on my merry way behind schedule
but somehow in a good mood anyway. :)

Having shapely women loitering around is a bonus too. :)

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Kevin Craig wrote:

> In article <[email protected]>, Ba r r y
> <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>> I got my 265 pound bandsaw package out of my trailer and into the shop
>> alone, but I'm 220-230 lbs. <G>
>
> When I was about 185 (15 years and 50 pounds ago), I moved a spinet
> piano, refrigerator, and washer and dryer by myself. Just me and my
> little '89 Nissan Hardbody pickup, a few milk crates, and some creative
> thinking. :-)

That brings back memories! It wasn't a Nissan, but an Isuzu of similar
vintage.

me: "Don't you think we ought to tie this down somehow?"

friend: "Nah, it will be OK. I don't have any rope."

WHHHHHHHHHUUUUUUUUUNNGK!!!!!

Piano parts everywhere. It dented up his truck too. Helping a friend move
a piano. We made it all the way across town with the stupid thing, and
then he cut a corner too close and ran over a 2" curb. That was all she
wrote for the poor pie-anner.

It was hard not to laugh. It was one of the funniest things I had ever
seen, on one level, though a tragedy on another. Like so many cartoons
brought to life. The sound effect they use in cartoons just doesn't really
capture it.

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Larry Jaques wrote:

>>Having shapely women loitering around is a bonus too. :)
>
> Yabbut it's extremely dangerous to be rigging AFTER all the blood has
> left your upper head.

Nah. I haven't been 13 for a long time. I figured out a long time ago that
anybody who looks really nice almost always has an equal and opposite
personality anyway. I just like to look. SWMBO lets me look. No problem.
She knows I couldn't get any of that if my life depended on it anyway. She
has intentionally avoided fixing my lack of appeal to women to keep me all
to herself. :)

(Damn I hope the hospital calls soon. She was due out of surgery two hours
ago!)

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Larry Jaques wrote:

> True, true. Remember that calypso song from the late 60s? "If you want
> to be happy for the rest of your life, never make a pretty woman your
> wife." It's still true.

Yeah, now that you mention it. :) Although I didn't actually hear it in
the '60s, seein' as how back then I was an unfertilized egg, and... ? I
can't remember how the sperm production cycle goes. I might have been a
bran muffin and a Pop Tart back then. I think sperm cells are manufactured
on demand from whole cloth (or Pop Tarts) and there's an infinite supply.
Biology was a long time ago though.

(Which is a very complicated way of saying I wasn't born yet. Not until
'72, back when half of you people around here still had hair.)

>>I just like to look. SWMBO lets me look. No problem.
>>She knows I couldn't get any of that if my life depended on it anyway.
>>She
>
> Har! Unfortunately, I grok that in its entirety.

My problem is I'm somewhat decent looking, I'm told repeatedly, but then
people get to know me. :)

>>has intentionally avoided fixing my lack of appeal to women to keep me all
>>to herself. :)

> Smart gal, that one.

Smart enough, I guess. Me too, for that matter. I almost changed schools
to get away from her, because she was so annoying. I finally caved in and
accepted the inevitable. She picked me out in Latin class and wrote
"husband" on my butt in that special ink women use that only people who
have ovaries can read. :)

Yeah, that's right, I met her in Latin class. Cute, ain't it?

Our relationship has always been kind of weird, but it works. It's less
passion than codependency. She's really not very good at dealing with
situations that involve making a decision. I'm not very good at dealing
with situations that involve people. Together we're a hell of a team.
Apart, we'd both be living with our parents. :)

>>(Damn I hope the hospital calls soon. She was due out of surgery two
>>hours ago!)
>
> Best wishes on a successful surgery and speedy recovery. Give her
> a gentle hug for me.

I'll have to take a raincheck on that. As you have doubtless surmised from
my other posts, the hospital didn't call because things got nasty. The
last thing she needs right now is a hug, though if I'm careful I can touch
her pinky without hurting her.

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Larry Jaques wrote:

> You were born the year after I gradidjulated from high school, you
> young whippersnapper. And I still have half my hair.

I still have all of it, more or less. My brain has expanded a little over
the years and my forehead has gotten taller, but it's NOT because I'm
shedding hair. My forehead has just gotten taller.

>>My problem is I'm somewhat decent looking, I'm told repeatedly, but then
>>people get to know me. :)
>
> You're sick, perverted, and twisted, so you know you're appreciated
> here. We support our own.

Guilty, guilty, guilty. You forgot devilishly handsome with that classic
great-looking-for-a-pregnant-man physique.

>>Yeah, that's right, I met her in Latin class. Cute, ain't it?
>
> Yeah. Did you French her there?

No. There were only about eight of us in Latin class, so there wasn't much
room to hide such shenanigans. Although, if you want the whole sordid tale
of how we met and stuff, my wife was checking out the guys in Latin class
that day, and I was checking out the chicks. My wife was not one of the
chicks I checked out. The one who caught my eye went on to become Miss
Virginia a few years later. So I have actually had entire conversations
with a bona fide beauty queen. Touch me, you know you want to touch me.

I'm glad it worked out the way it did though. I don't have enough
self-confidence to be married to a beauty queen. Besides, if she's like
most every other wimminz I ever lusted after in my younger days, she
probably makes my wife look skinny now. :)

> Your wifey evidently got the guy who gradidjulated from medical school
> by the skin of his teeth. Best wishes on a speedy (albeit longer than
> planned) recovery for her.

I don't have enough facts to formulate a reasonable opinion yet.

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Larry Jaques wrote:

>>Guilty, guilty, guilty. You forgot devilishly handsome with that classic
>>great-looking-for-a-pregnant-man physique.
>
> Sounds like you've "got chub". You're not suppposed to have that until
> you're at least 40.

Or until you start driving a truck for a living. My arms and legs are in
GREAT shape, but my belly not so much. I can't lose it either. I've been
watching what I eat and keeping my activity level up for years, and it
isn't coming off. At least I'm not gaining.

Or I wasn't gaining until my wife's troubles started. I can't really say
that anymore. I've put on 20 pounds, and not because of holiday eating.

>>with a bona fide beauty queen. Touch me, you know you want to touch me.
>
> Um, pass. I want to touch the beauty queen instead. Lots, firmly. ;)

Nah. I guess not. No use.

>>self-confidence to be married to a beauty queen. Besides, if she's like
>>most every other wimminz I ever lusted after in my younger days, she
>>probably makes my wife look skinny now. :)
>
> No doubt, and she's prolly a real shrew, too. Better off without.

Yup.

>>I don't have enough facts to formulate a reasonable opinion yet.
>
> Good luck on that.

Yeah, I know, but this isn't a good time for me to be cynical Larry.

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[email protected] wrote:

>>(Which is a very complicated way of saying I wasn't born yet. Not until
>>'72, back when half of you people around here still had hair.)
>
>
> holy shit! I'm *that* much older than you?

Yeah, probably. My *dad* is 54. I'm 32, I guess. My wife is 36. Cradle
robber.

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Norman D. Crow wrote:

>> holy shit! I'm *that* much older than you?
>
> Darn infants! Born 11/10/36

You're not old enough to be my grandfather, so I guess you're not a geezer.

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J. Clarke wrote:

>> Nah. I haven't been 13 for a long time. I figured out a long time ago
>> that anybody who looks really nice almost always has an equal and
>> opposite personality anyway.
>
> FWIW, I met a fellow a while back who dated Raquel Welch (not just his
> tale--several other people I knew had seen them together). That was
> pretty much his assessment of her.

Yeah, yeah, I dated Raquel Welch. That's the ticket.

(I guess most of you won't get that. I was talking to some of my wife's
relations who are roughly the same age I am. None of us have any idea
what's going on with SNL anymore, and since that was a SNL reference from
my youth, you geezers probably have nary a clue what I'm yammering about.
Oh well.)

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On Sun, 26 Dec 2004 00:36:35 GMT, igor <[email protected]> wrote:

>My Grizzly 14" bandsaw is on its way. Unfortunately, the "local" truck
>depot is about 75 minutes away (at best), so I'd like to have Grizzly's
>trucking company deliver to my home shop, since I paid for the mileage. I
>did ask Grizzly and they said that the saw in the box can safely be placed
>on its side, and 198 pounds is not much to lower from the truck. (I do
>have a hand truck to take it from the side of the truck to the shop.)
>Unfortunately, I cannot be sure I can get mid-day help to do this. I'm
>thinking some $$ inducement might inspire the driver -- it would be less
>than 60 seconds of help to slide it down the back of the truck to the
>ground. It's not as if I'm getting an 8" jointer. (Not yet.)
>
>Any other ideas for doing this?

I'd recommend one of those one-person dollys used to move pianos. I
moved my own large upright piano by myself using one: across the
living room, down the steps, up a reinforced ply ramp and into the
truck, and I'm no weight lifter. It has wheels and tracks down the
side.

On Sun, 26 Dec 2004 12:24:28 -0500, "Lee Gordon"
<[email protected]> wrote:


>It must depend on how that 220-230 lbs is distributed. <g> That's about
>how much I weigh too but, while it took just the two of us to load my
>(formerly your) jointer (about 265 lbs worth, I'm guessing) onto my van, I
>needed to trick .. er, recruit ... two warm bodies to help me unload it.
>
>Lee

Your van's door and the fact that we didn't want to pick it up by the
tables did make things interesting!

The band saw was boxed and about the side of a dorm fridge.

The more tools you get, the more friends will get caller ID, trust me.
<G>

Barry

igor wrote:
> My Grizzly 14" bandsaw is on its way. Unfortunately, the "local" truck
>
>
> Any other ideas for doing this? Anyone know if the truck typically used
> for this has a slot in which I might hook a ramp -- like U-haul trucks
> have? Any homemade ramp designs? I figure that for anything <250 pounds a
> ramp would be an OK solution - even a steep ramp just for sliding the box.
> -- Igor

Mine came by FedEx, the little lady driver loaded it onto
her handcart and rolled it into the shop. Real nice about
it, too. Refused any help.

--
Gerald Ross
Cochran, GA

I am a mental tourist. My mind wanders.

On Sun, 26 Dec 2004 00:36:35 GMT, igor <[email protected]> wrote:

>My Grizzly 14" bandsaw is on its way. Unfortunately, the "local" truck
>depot is about 75 minutes away (at best), so I'd like to have Grizzly's
>trucking company deliver to my home shop, since I paid for the mileage. I
>did ask Grizzly and they said that the saw in the box can safely be placed
>on its side, and 198 pounds is not much to lower from the truck. (I do
>have a hand truck to take it from the side of the truck to the shop.)
>Unfortunately, I cannot be sure I can get mid-day help to do this. I'm
>thinking some $$ inducement might inspire the driver -- it would be less
>than 60 seconds of help to slide it down the back of the truck to the
>ground. It's not as if I'm getting an 8" jointer. (Not yet.)
>
>Any other ideas for doing this? Anyone know if the truck typically used
>for this has a slot in which I might hook a ramp -- like U-haul trucks
>have? Any homemade ramp designs? I figure that for anything <250 pounds a
>ramp would be an OK solution - even a steep ramp just for sliding the box.
>-- Igor

i unloaded my 18" delta steel frame B/S myself. its not a big deal.
lay it back into the truck. use your legs to slide it out the back
untill its almost balanced. then get on the ground and tilt it down
till it touches the ground or your 4 wheel cart. [thats what i used ]
once it is stood up you can wheel it in on the cart or if you dont
have one borrow a hand truck. im 47 years old and only wheigh 175 lb.
if the truck is higher than half the hieght of the crate put down some
forn of platform to get at least that high. leverage is key here.
otherwise you can hurt yourself. my 115 lb wife and i unloaded a 400
pound dual drum sander the same way and she has a bad back. i didnt
use the cart for this one. after we got it down i tilted it and she
put a pipe under the front then i pushed it a little and tilted it
back again and sliped another pipe under it a third pipe makes it much
better as you roll it you put 1 pipe in front of the other as needed.
enjoy the new saw.

skeez

On Sun, 26 Dec 2004 12:46:41 -0500, "Rumpty" <[email protected]> wrote:

>> The truck driver
>placed an old tire below the back of his truck and gently guided the package
>down (I was watching from my garage).
>
>Now you know how to get 50 gallon drums of oil off of the truck and onto the
>ground. Tire on the ground, drop the drum onto it's side, roll off the truck
>onto the tire, which is placed off center to the drum and the drum pops up
>off of the tire onto the ground and you roll into your shop.....

That IS impressive. Wonder if it would work for a jointer?

On Mon, 27 Dec 2004 18:48:46 GMT, "Vic Baron" <[email protected]> wrote:

>

>> Problem? Get rope. Tie one end to bandsaw. Tie other end to tree.
>> Drive truck away. Bandsaw on ground. No problem.
>> the idea man,
>> jo4hn
>> :-)
>
>Naw, that's TOO easy!
>
>Vic

You got to give him credit for being so brilliant and really easiest, beside
using a sledge hammer,break it apart and remove from the truck one piece at a
time. :-)

My Grizzly GO555 was just delivered couple weeks ago. The tractor trailor
pulled up in front of the house and we were waiting on it. The driver
wheeled it to the back of the trailor, and before I could get the hand truck
out of the shop and to the truck, my friend and the driver had it on the
ground. They just tilted it and slid it off the bed and lowered it to the
ground. It was no problem at all. We tilted it over and slid the base of the
hand truck under it, and wheeled it into the shop. The driver did not have
to, but he helped get it off the back of the truck and into the shop, off
the hand truck and laid over onto the floor. There was a small tear in the
cardboard of the container and he wanted us to open it to make sure there
was no problem with the contents. It all arrived in perfect condition, The
styrofoam had protected to saw from any damage. Was a lot easier to get off
than I had expected. I was also worried about getting it off the truck and
into the shop. There was no problem at all. Very easy to do. The drivers are
good at helping get the trucks unloaded. You will need help getting it all
assembled. Base is built first, then the saw is lifted up and attached to
the base. I also got the riser block and took the saw apart before putting
on the base, then assembled the riser then put the saw back together. Again,
you will need help here too. If you are getting a roll-around base, it is
easier to assemble that and put on base before the rest of the assembly,
though mine arrived after I put the saw together. I put the saw onto the
base by myself by levering the saw up onto 2 2X4's and tilting the sawand
sliding the base under it, then sliding the saw the rest of the way onto the
base. Be careful, it is a little tipsy like that, but was easy to do.
CC

"igor" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> My Grizzly 14" bandsaw is on its way. Unfortunately, the "local" truck
> depot is about 75 minutes away (at best), so I'd like to have Grizzly's
> trucking company deliver to my home shop, since I paid for the mileage. I
> did ask Grizzly and they said that the saw in the box can safely be placed
> on its side, and 198 pounds is not much to lower from the truck. (I do
> have a hand truck to take it from the side of the truck to the shop.)
> Unfortunately, I cannot be sure I can get mid-day help to do this. I'm
> thinking some $$ inducement might inspire the driver -- it would be less
> than 60 seconds of help to slide it down the back of the truck to the
> ground. It's not as if I'm getting an 8" jointer. (Not yet.)
>
> Any other ideas for doing this? Anyone know if the truck typically used
> for this has a slot in which I might hook a ramp -- like U-haul trucks
> have? Any homemade ramp designs? I figure that for anything <250 pounds
> a
> ramp would be an OK solution - even a steep ramp just for sliding the box.
> -- Igor

On Sun, 26 Dec 2004 00:36:35 GMT, igor <[email protected]> wrote:

Correction: the steel platform is 3'X4' mounted with two fixed and two swivel
wheels.

I spoke with Grizzly's salesperson and the trucking company before delivery,
that I don't own a truck or any lifting device. I suggest you call Grizzly and
told them what I mention here.

>My Grizzly 14" bandsaw is on its way. Unfortunately, the "local" truck
>depot is about 75 minutes away (at best), so I'd like to have Grizzly's
>trucking company deliver to my home shop, since I paid for the mileage. I
>did ask Grizzly and they said that the saw in the box can safely be placed
>on its side, and 198 pounds is not much to lower from the truck. (I do
>have a hand truck to take it from the side of the truck to the shop.)
>Unfortunately, I cannot be sure I can get mid-day help to do this. I'm
>thinking some $$ inducement might inspire the driver -- it would be less
>than 60 seconds of help to slide it down the back of the truck to the
>ground. It's not as if I'm getting an 8" jointer. (Not yet.)
>
>Any other ideas for doing this? Anyone know if the truck typically used
>for this has a slot in which I might hook a ramp -- like U-haul trucks
>have? Any homemade ramp designs? I figure that for anything <250 pounds a
>ramp would be an OK solution - even a steep ramp just for sliding the box.
>-- Igor

On Sun, 26 Dec 2004 00:36:35 GMT, igor <[email protected]> wrote:

My Grizzle 14" came without lift gate or any lifting device. The truck driver
placed an old tire below the back of his truck and gently guided the package
down (I was watching from my garage). After which we lifted the package onto my
homemade 3'X4" moveable steel platform and helped me push it into the garage. It
was like a piece of cake. He must have done it over a thousand times.

>My Grizzly 14" bandsaw is on its way. Unfortunately, the "local" truck
>depot is about 75 minutes away (at best), so I'd like to have Grizzly's
>trucking company deliver to my home shop, since I paid for the mileage. I
>did ask Grizzly and they said that the saw in the box can safely be placed
>on its side, and 198 pounds is not much to lower from the truck. (I do
>have a hand truck to take it from the side of the truck to the shop.)
>Unfortunately, I cannot be sure I can get mid-day help to do this. I'm
>thinking some $$ inducement might inspire the driver -- it would be less
>than 60 seconds of help to slide it down the back of the truck to the
>ground. It's not as if I'm getting an 8" jointer. (Not yet.)
>
>Any other ideas for doing this? Anyone know if the truck typically used
>for this has a slot in which I might hook a ramp -- like U-haul trucks
>have? Any homemade ramp designs? I figure that for anything <250 pounds a
>ramp would be an OK solution - even a steep ramp just for sliding the box.
>-- Igor

Barry ...

<<FWIW, 198 pounds isn't that heavy. (2) 2x6x12's would let you slide
the saw easily from the rig deck to the ground quite easily. You can
drive nails though the boards into the pavement or ground to keep the
boards in place. Most drivers would help you stabilize the package as
it slides down the ramp. The two of you would be standing on the
ground.

I got my 265 pound bandsaw package out of my trailer and into the shop
alone, but I'm 220-230 lbs. <G> >>

It must depend on how that 220-230 lbs is distributed. <g> That's about
how much I weigh too but, while it took just the two of us to load my
(formerly your) jointer (about 265 lbs worth, I'm guessing) onto my van, I
needed to trick .. er, recruit ... two warm bodies to help me unload it.

Lee


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igor wrote:
> My Grizzly 14" bandsaw is on its way. Unfortunately, the "local" truck
> depot is about 75 minutes away (at best), so I'd like to have Grizzly's
> trucking company deliver to my home shop, since I paid for the mileage. I
> did ask Grizzly and they said that the saw in the box can safely be placed
> on its side, and 198 pounds is not much to lower from the truck. (I do
> have a hand truck to take it from the side of the truck to the shop.)
> Unfortunately, I cannot be sure I can get mid-day help to do this. I'm
> thinking some $$ inducement might inspire the driver -- it would be less
> than 60 seconds of help to slide it down the back of the truck to the
> ground. It's not as if I'm getting an 8" jointer. (Not yet.)
>
> Any other ideas for doing this? Anyone know if the truck typically used
> for this has a slot in which I might hook a ramp -- like U-haul trucks
> have? Any homemade ramp designs? I figure that for anything <250 pounds a
> ramp would be an OK solution - even a steep ramp just for sliding the box.
> -- Igor

Problem? Get rope. Tie one end to bandsaw. Tie other end to tree.
Drive truck away. Bandsaw on ground. No problem.
the idea man,
jo4hn
:-)

Kevin Craig wrote:

> In article <[email protected]>, Norman D. Crow
> <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>
>>"jo4hn" <[email protected]> wrote in message
>>news:%[email protected]...
>>
>>>Norman D. Crow wrote:
>>>
>>>><[email protected]> wrote in message
>>>>news:[email protected]...
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>On Tue, 28 Dec 2004 01:11:28 -0500, Silvan
>>>>><[email protected]> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>>(Which is a very complicated way of saying I wasn't born yet. Not
>>
>>until
>>
>>>>>>'72, back when half of you people around here still had hair.)
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>holy shit! I'm *that* much older than you?
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>Darn infants! Born 11/10/36
>>>>
>>>
>>>Hey, hey, hey!! You're exactly 30 years younger than the Marine Corps -
>>>to the day!! ;-)
>>
>>I didn't remember the age of the Marine Corps, but I knew it was the same
>>birthday.
>
>
> Hint: it wasn't *19*06 to which jo4hn was referring. ;-)
>
> But by way of trivia, it wasn't '06 in any century. The Marines were
> formed by act of the Second Continental Congress on 10 November 1775.
>
> Kevin

I stand corrected. It was only 24 years younger. ;-)
j4

igor wrote:

> My Grizzly 14" bandsaw is on its way. Unfortunately, the "local" truck
> depot is about 75 minutes away (at best), so I'd like to have Grizzly's
> trucking company deliver to my home shop, since I paid for the mileage. I
> did ask Grizzly and they said that the saw in the box can safely be placed
> on its side, and 198 pounds is not much to lower from the truck. (I do
> have a hand truck to take it from the side of the truck to the shop.)
> Unfortunately, I cannot be sure I can get mid-day help to do this. I'm
> thinking some $$ inducement might inspire the driver -- it would be less
> than 60 seconds of help to slide it down the back of the truck to the
> ground. It's not as if I'm getting an 8" jointer. (Not yet.)
>
> Any other ideas for doing this? Anyone know if the truck typically used
> for this has a slot in which I might hook a ramp -- like U-haul trucks
> have? Any homemade ramp designs? I figure that for anything <250 pounds
> a ramp would be an OK solution - even a steep ramp just for sliding the
> box. -- Igor

The truck that delivers it will probably have a lift. Make sure that
Grizzly is aware that it's a residential delivery without a dock. If they
won't send a truck with a lift, you might want to drive around until you
see a dock nearby and then see if you can sweet talk the manager into
letting you take a delivery there. There are insurance issues and so on
that he has to deal with so it's a big deal for him and he'd be doing you a
big favor, so be nice.

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"Ollie" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> I share the same experience as Kenneth. I have received a 600 lb table
saw,
> 600 lb planer, 450 lb, jointer. and several lighter items even without
being
> at home when the deliveries were done. In some cases, I got the service
> even without paying the additional lift gate fee ($75 - $125). At the
end,
> I have been happy with the services received from the shipping companies.
> On other hand, it has been unnecessary difficult to arrange the delivery
> with Grizzly. The other companies (Wilkes) have been more flexible in the
> shipping arrangements.
>
> Although the bandsaw is reasonable light (<200 lb), you should be careful
> not to damage it during the transportation. Most bandsaws are
preassembled
> and should be delivered in standing position - not laying flat on the
floor.

If he's getting the G0555, it's well packed, and on it's side is fine. IIRC,
when I got mine in Williamsport, it was already laying on it's side when I
backed into the warehouse to get it. They picked it up w/fork lift, we slid
it off the forks into my P/U and it traveled 250+mi. on it's side, no
problem.

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Those on the cutting edge bleed a lot.

My local hardware store rents out equipment, and he showed me a
powered hand truck he uses for moving heavy items, like a 400 pound
safe, going up or down stairs.

It's a 2-wheeled hand truck, but when you turn on the switch, the lift
end moves up and down.

p.s. is this one piece? My jet came it two boxes.

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"Joe" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> CLIP
> > when I got mine in Williamsport,
> CLIP
>
> Is that Williamsport, PA? If so, tell me about the area... Thinking of
> relocating to near Lewisburg/Shamokin. All I've learned so far is to
avoid
> the area near the river.
> --

Yes, it's the one in PA. The showroom is actually in the Muncy Mall, about
10-15mi East of Williamsport. I can't really help you too much on the area,
as I'm only somewhat familiar with it. My daughter's in-laws live in
Duboisetown, one of the Wlmsport suburbs.

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<[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> On Tue, 28 Dec 2004 01:11:28 -0500, Silvan
> <[email protected]> wrote:
>
> >
> >(Which is a very complicated way of saying I wasn't born yet. Not until
> >'72, back when half of you people around here still had hair.)
>
>
> holy shit! I'm *that* much older than you?

Darn infants! Born 11/10/36

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"jo4hn" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:%[email protected]...
> Norman D. Crow wrote:
> > <[email protected]> wrote in message
> > news:[email protected]...
> >
> >>On Tue, 28 Dec 2004 01:11:28 -0500, Silvan
> >><[email protected]> wrote:
> >>
> >>
> >>>(Which is a very complicated way of saying I wasn't born yet. Not
until
> >>>'72, back when half of you people around here still had hair.)
> >>
> >>
> >>holy shit! I'm *that* much older than you?
> >
> >
> > Darn infants! Born 11/10/36
> >
> Hey, hey, hey!! You're exactly 30 years younger than the Marine Corps -
> to the day!! ;-)

I didn't remember the age of the Marine Corps, but I knew it was the same
birthday. When I was on the USS Salem, we had a contingent of Marines as the
Admirals Guard(6th fleet flagship). I got to know some of them, and due to
my birthday, got pretty close(able to sneak extra time in the tailor shop to
press uniforms & so on when they had their hours, etc.) Pulled liberty with
a bunch of them on my 21st in Beirut, didn't have to buy a drink all night.

--
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Those on the cutting edge bleed a lot.

Silvan wrote:

> Larry Jaques wrote:
>
>>>Having shapely women loitering around is a bonus too. :)
>>
>> Yabbut it's extremely dangerous to be rigging AFTER all the blood has
>> left your upper head.
>
> Nah. I haven't been 13 for a long time. I figured out a long time ago
> that anybody who looks really nice almost always has an equal and opposite
> personality anyway.

FWIW, I met a fellow a while back who dated Raquel Welch (not just his
tale--several other people I knew had seen them together). That was pretty
much his assessment of her.

> I just like to look. SWMBO lets me look. No
> problem.
> She knows I couldn't get any of that if my life depended on it anyway.
> She has intentionally avoided fixing my lack of appeal to women to keep me
> all
> to herself. :)
>
> (Damn I hope the hospital calls soon. She was due out of surgery two
> hours ago!)

Hope all goes or went well.
>

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On Mon, 27 Dec 2004 03:01:04 GMT, igor <[email protected]> calmly
ranted:

>On Sun, 26 Dec 2004 12:46:41 -0500, "Rumpty" <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>>> The truck driver
>>placed an old tire below the back of his truck and gently guided the package
>>down (I was watching from my garage).
>>
>>Now you know how to get 50 gallon drums of oil off of the truck and onto the
>>ground. Tire on the ground, drop the drum onto it's side, roll off the truck
>>onto the tire, which is placed off center to the drum and the drum pops up
>>off of the tire onto the ground and you roll into your shop.....
>
>That IS impressive. Wonder if it would work for a jointer?

Jointer crates are a teensy bit less round, Igor.

And I consider cast iron to be a bit more brittle than oil
on most days, anyway.


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On Mon, 27 Dec 2004 00:51:42 -0500, Silvan
<[email protected]> calmly ranted:

>Cash is cool. I used to have a regular stop where the guy would do seven
>kinds of dicking me around before finally getting the truck unloaded. He
>would slip me $25, and I would smile and go on my merry way behind schedule
>but somehow in a good mood anyway. :)

Cash is always cool.


>Having shapely women loitering around is a bonus too. :)

Yabbut it's extremely dangerous to be rigging AFTER all the blood has
left your upper head.


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This is a lot more replies than I had expected -- one never knows. All
very helpful. Thanks everyone.

A couple of comments. I did call Grizzly and they said that it is OK to
lay the box on its side. As a couple of people noted, it apparently even
ships on its side. I live in a rowhouse in a metro area, so its not quite
suburban and certainly not country. (For example, Fedex and UPS have
standing orders from me (which they sometimes forget) to leave nothing at
the door if no one is here.) OTOH, many of the suggestions made me think
back to the suburban house I grew up in, with my Dad's garage workshop
right at driveway level -- drive up and drop.

I am hopeful that the driver will provide at least some basic help, and as
noted by many, 198# is rather manageable. But I always like to be prepared
in case, for whatever reason, he is content to do nothing. My experience,
to date, even with companies that say "curb-side only" is that the drivers
do help. I got one delivery that was about 3K pounds in 70 pound packages
and unexpectedly the driver took one for about everyone I took - including
6 steps up to the front porch. Tools go up just two steps from the
sidewalk and then down 7 to the basement. Having a hand truck with large
air-filled tires - versus the small hard wheels - helps a lot both up and
down.

Again, thanks for all of the observations and anecdotes. And for those of
you who wrestled the tools with your wife's help, I am especially
impressed. -- Igor

On Mon, 27 Dec 2004 20:44:03 -0700, Doug Winterburn
<[email protected]> calmly ranted:

>On Mon, 27 Dec 2004 18:16:44 -0800, Larry Jaques wrote:
>
>
>> I DID just get the fuming box glued up a few minutes ago, though. It's 5'
>> wide by 3' tall and 2' deep, made from some stunning birdseye SPF tubatwos
>> and onebuhtwos. Ourghta be about big enough, huh? I'll fold in one side of
>> the plastic (and not trim it) so I can stick longer boards in and still be
>> able to seal it when I make the G&G couch... unless I make it out of
>> jarrah.
>
>What's next after birdseye G-cans and fuming boxes - sheesh! ;-)

"G-cans"?!?

P.S: We ain't talkin' maple here.


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On Sun, 26 Dec 2004 00:36:35 GMT, igor <[email protected]> wrote:

>My Grizzly 14" bandsaw is on its way. Unfortunately, the "local" truck

<snip>

>ramp would be an OK solution - even a steep ramp just for sliding the box.
>-- Igor

I had one piece of equipment (my bandsaw) held at the trucking company
for pickup. Then I asked a friend who owns a truck to arrange for
pickup. I got another beefy friend to go with us and the three of use
got it off the truck with little hassle and into my shop. Another
time I rented a truck with a lift. It helps to own a 1000-lb hand
truck and dolly.

Hi Igor,
I have done this with a Delta 14 inch bandsaw. Slide it out with you
and the driver helping. Once on the ground, a handcart with a piece of wood
across the bottom should do it. Make sure to tie the goods to the handcart!
Good luck.
Dave

"igor" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> My Grizzly 14" bandsaw is on its way. Unfortunately, the "local" truck
> depot is about 75 minutes away (at best), so I'd like to have Grizzly's
> trucking company deliver to my home shop, since I paid for the mileage. I
> did ask Grizzly and they said that the saw in the box can safely be placed
> on its side, and 198 pounds is not much to lower from the truck. (I do
> have a hand truck to take it from the side of the truck to the shop.)
> Unfortunately, I cannot be sure I can get mid-day help to do this. I'm
> thinking some $$ inducement might inspire the driver -- it would be less
> than 60 seconds of help to slide it down the back of the truck to the
> ground. It's not as if I'm getting an 8" jointer. (Not yet.)
>
> Any other ideas for doing this? Anyone know if the truck typically used
> for this has a slot in which I might hook a ramp -- like U-haul trucks
> have? Any homemade ramp designs? I figure that for anything <250 pounds
> a
> ramp would be an OK solution - even a steep ramp just for sliding the box.
> -- Igor

"jo4hn" <[email protected]> wrote in message
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> igor wrote:
> > My Grizzly 14" bandsaw is on its way. Unfortunately, the "local" truck
> > depot is about 75 minutes away (at best), so I'd like to have Grizzly's
> > trucking company deliver to my home shop, since I paid for the mileage.
I
> > did ask Grizzly and they said that the saw in the box can safely be
placed
> > on its side, and 198 pounds is not much to lower from the truck. (I do
> > have a hand truck to take it from the side of the truck to the shop.)
> > Unfortunately, I cannot be sure I can get mid-day help to do this. I'm
> > thinking some $$ inducement might inspire the driver -- it would be less
> > than 60 seconds of help to slide it down the back of the truck to the
> > ground. It's not as if I'm getting an 8" jointer. (Not yet.)
> >
> > Any other ideas for doing this? Anyone know if the truck typically used
> > for this has a slot in which I might hook a ramp -- like U-haul trucks
> > have? Any homemade ramp designs? I figure that for anything <250
pounds a
> > ramp would be an OK solution - even a steep ramp just for sliding the
box.
> > -- Igor
>
> Problem? Get rope. Tie one end to bandsaw. Tie other end to tree.
> Drive truck away. Bandsaw on ground. No problem.
> the idea man,
> jo4hn
> :-)

Naw, that's TOO easy!

Vic

On Mon, 27 Dec 2004 10:50:03 GMT, Fred Bassett <[email protected]> wrote:

>This has been most interesting thread to watch....
>Let us know what happened when it was delivered!
>
>
>When is it due in any case?
>
>
Will do.

It shipped from Muncy (I assume) on Friday - 200 miles away - so I might
get a call today about delivery.

My G0555 came via Yellow Freight/Fedex - I live on a hill and my garage/shop
is in the back of he house with an uphill driveway. I was not happy about
the prospect of moving that dead weight by myself but I met the truck with
my little hand truck in hand. I guess the driver felt sorry for me because
he said that dinky thing would handle the load. He had a hydraulic pallet
jack and he just picked up the pallet, moved it to the liftgate and then
proceeded to wheel it up my driveway into the garage. All this without
asking.

So, Grizz says be prepared to move it yourself but in every case, the driver
has helped on his own.

YMMV,

Vic

"igor" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> My Grizzly 14" bandsaw is on its way. Unfortunately, the "local" truck
> depot is about 75 minutes away (at best), so I'd like to have Grizzly's
> trucking company deliver to my home shop, since I paid for the mileage. I
> did ask Grizzly and they said that the saw in the box can safely be placed
> on its side, and 198 pounds is not much to lower from the truck. (I do
> have a hand truck to take it from the side of the truck to the shop.)
> Unfortunately, I cannot be sure I can get mid-day help to do this. I'm
> thinking some $$ inducement might inspire the driver -- it would be less
> than 60 seconds of help to slide it down the back of the truck to the
> ground. It's not as if I'm getting an 8" jointer. (Not yet.)
>
> Any other ideas for doing this? Anyone know if the truck typically used
> for this has a slot in which I might hook a ramp -- like U-haul trucks
> have? Any homemade ramp designs? I figure that for anything <250 pounds
a
> ramp would be an OK solution - even a steep ramp just for sliding the box.
> -- Igor

"Hi ... I'm from the Pathological Liar's Association of America"

(glances left and right, then stage whispers)

"In fact ... I'm the President!"


Nah, don't remember any of that.

"Silvan" <[email protected]> wrote in message
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> J. Clarke wrote:
>
> >> Nah. I haven't been 13 for a long time. I figured out a long time ago
> >> that anybody who looks really nice almost always has an equal and
> >> opposite personality anyway.
> >
> > FWIW, I met a fellow a while back who dated Raquel Welch (not just his
> > tale--several other people I knew had seen them together). That was
> > pretty much his assessment of her.
>
> Yeah, yeah, I dated Raquel Welch. That's the ticket.
>
> (I guess most of you won't get that. I was talking to some of my wife's
> relations who are roughly the same age I am. None of us have any idea
> what's going on with SNL anymore, and since that was a SNL reference from
> my youth, you geezers probably have nary a clue what I'm yammering about.
> Oh well.)
>
> --
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On Sun, 26 Dec 2004 02:00:39 -0500, Silvan
<[email protected]> wrote:
>
>It's not the weight. 198 pounds is really rather trivial as stuff that
>ships on trucks goes. (I'm a truck driver. I shove things off the ass end
>of my truck all day long.)
>
[snip]

Since you are a truck driver, could you tell me if the truck typically used
for this would have a slot at the back edge into which I might hook a ramp
-- like U-haul trucks have? Maybe not for this delivery, but if I get any
heavier stuff coming and I do rig up a ramp.

Also, I noticed that no one in this thread suggested a tip -- dollars, that
is. Coffee, cookies, but no cash. Maybe it's because I live in a large
metro area.

TIA. -- Igor

On Tue, 28 Dec 2004 11:47:13 -0500, Silvan
<[email protected]> calmly ranted:

>Larry Jaques wrote:
>
>> You were born the year after I gradidjulated from high school, you
>> young whippersnapper. And I still have half my hair.
>
>I still have all of it, more or less. My brain has expanded a little over
>the years and my forehead has gotten taller, but it's NOT because I'm
>shedding hair. My forehead has just gotten taller.

Oh, ditto here, by about 1.25".


>Guilty, guilty, guilty. You forgot devilishly handsome with that classic
>great-looking-for-a-pregnant-man physique.

Sounds like you've "got chub". You're not suppposed to have that until
you're at least 40.


>No. There were only about eight of us in Latin class, so there wasn't much
>room to hide such shenanigans. Although, if you want the whole sordid tale
>of how we met and stuff, my wife was checking out the guys in Latin class
>that day, and I was checking out the chicks. My wife was not one of the
>chicks I checked out. The one who caught my eye went on to become Miss
>Virginia a few years later. So I have actually had entire conversations
>with a bona fide beauty queen. Touch me, you know you want to touch me.

Um, pass. I want to touch the beauty queen instead. Lots, firmly. ;)


>I'm glad it worked out the way it did though. I don't have enough
>self-confidence to be married to a beauty queen. Besides, if she's like
>most every other wimminz I ever lusted after in my younger days, she
>probably makes my wife look skinny now. :)

No doubt, and she's prolly a real shrew, too. Better off without.


>> Your wifey evidently got the guy who gradidjulated from medical school
>> by the skin of his teeth. Best wishes on a speedy (albeit longer than
>> planned) recovery for her.
>
>I don't have enough facts to formulate a reasonable opinion yet.

Good luck on that.


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On Sun, 26 Dec 2004 12:22:00 GMT, Phisherman <[email protected]> calmly
ranted:

>On Sun, 26 Dec 2004 00:36:35 GMT, igor <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>>My Grizzly 14" bandsaw is on its way. Unfortunately, the "local" truck
>
><snip>
>
>>ramp would be an OK solution - even a steep ramp just for sliding the box.
>>-- Igor
>
>I had one piece of equipment (my bandsaw) held at the trucking company
>for pickup. Then I asked a friend who owns a truck to arrange for
>pickup. I got another beefy friend to go with us and the three of use
>got it off the truck with little hassle and into my shop. Another
>time I rented a truck with a lift. It helps to own a 1000-lb hand
>truck and dolly.

HF has their liftgate on sale for half price right now. Drive the
pickup up to the back of the freight trailer, lower it down, then
use the $199 HF liftgate to get it the other two feet down. ;)


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On Sun, 26 Dec 2004 00:36:35 GMT, igor <[email protected]> wrote:


>Any other ideas for doing this?

If the driver won't help and you have a pickup, do the following:

Back the pickup up to the rear of the big rig. Slide the saw from the
rig into the pickup bed. Drive the pickup back into the driveway.
Slide the saw off the pickup bed onto the ground.

FWIW, 198 pounds isn't that heavy. (2) 2x6x12's would let you slide
the saw easily from the rig deck to the ground quite easily. You can
drive nails though the boards into the pavement or ground to keep the
boards in place. Most drivers would help you stabilize the package as
it slides down the ramp. The two of you would be standing on the
ground.

I got my 265 pound bandsaw package out of my trailer and into the shop
alone, but I'm 220-230 lbs. <G>

Have fun with the new tool!

Barry

On Tue, 28 Dec 2004 15:51:39 -0500, "Norman D. Crow"
<[email protected]> wrote:

>
>
>
>
><[email protected]> wrote in message
>news:[email protected]...
>> On Tue, 28 Dec 2004 01:11:28 -0500, Silvan
>> <[email protected]> wrote:
>>
>> >
>> >(Which is a very complicated way of saying I wasn't born yet. Not until
>> >'72, back when half of you people around here still had hair.)
>>
>>
>> holy shit! I'm *that* much older than you?
>
>Darn infants! Born 11/10/36

Crikey Nahmie, you're nearly an oxygenarian!

Groggy (who's but a pup in celestial years)

On Mon, 27 Dec 2004 00:06:48 -0600, Kevin Craig <[email protected]> wrote:

>When I was about 185 (15 years and 50 pounds ago), I moved a spinet
>piano, refrigerator, and washer and dryer by myself. Just me and my
>little '89 Nissan Hardbody pickup, a few milk crates, and some creative
>thinking. :-)
>
>We gave that same piano to some friends for Christmas last year. It
>took four of us to move it out of the pickup, down the sidewalk, and up
>the (narrow!) stairs to their second floor apartment.
>
>Kevin

Clearly, the piano had put on weight over those years. What else could
explain it?

On Sun, 26 Dec 2004 00:36:35 +0000, igor wrote:

> Any other ideas for doing this? Anyone know if the truck typically used
> for this has a slot in which I might hook a ramp -- like U-haul trucks
> have? Any homemade ramp designs? I figure that for anything <250 pounds
> a ramp would be an OK solution - even a steep ramp just for sliding the
> box. -- Igor

Here's a solution:

<http://www.harborfreight.com/cpi/ctaf/displayitem.taf?Itemnumber=47591>

- Doug

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On Mon, 27 Dec 2004 18:16:44 -0800, Larry Jaques wrote:


> I DID just get the fuming box glued up a few minutes ago, though. It's 5'
> wide by 3' tall and 2' deep, made from some stunning birdseye SPF tubatwos
> and onebuhtwos. Ourghta be about big enough, huh? I'll fold in one side of
> the plastic (and not trim it) so I can stick longer boards in and still be
> able to seal it when I make the G&G couch... unless I make it out of
> jarrah.

What's next after birdseye G-cans and fuming boxes - sheesh! ;-)

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On Tue, 28 Dec 2004 01:11:28 -0500, Silvan
<[email protected]> wrote:

>
>(Which is a very complicated way of saying I wasn't born yet. Not until
>'72, back when half of you people around here still had hair.)


holy shit! I'm *that* much older than you?

On Mon, 27 Dec 2004 10:29:14 -0500, Silvan
<[email protected]> calmly ranted:

>Larry Jaques wrote:
>
>>>Having shapely women loitering around is a bonus too. :)
>>
>> Yabbut it's extremely dangerous to be rigging AFTER all the blood has
>> left your upper head.
>
>Nah. I haven't been 13 for a long time. I figured out a long time ago that
>anybody who looks really nice almost always has an equal and opposite
>personality anyway.

True, true. Remember that calypso song from the late 60s? "If you want
to be happy for the rest of your life, never make a pretty woman your
wife." It's still true.


>I just like to look. SWMBO lets me look. No problem.
>She knows I couldn't get any of that if my life depended on it anyway. She

Har! Unfortunately, I grok that in its entirety.


>has intentionally avoided fixing my lack of appeal to women to keep me all
>to herself. :)

Smart gal, that one.

>(Damn I hope the hospital calls soon. She was due out of surgery two hours
>ago!)

Best wishes on a successful surgery and speedy recovery. Give her
a gentle hug for me.


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"igor" <[email protected]> wrote in message
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>> My Grizzly 14" bandsaw is on its way. Unfortunately, the "local" truck
>> depot is about 75 minutes away (at best), so I'd like to have Grizzly's
>> trucking company deliver to my home shop, since I paid for the mileage. I
>> did ask Grizzly and they said that the saw in the box can safely be placed
>> on its side, and 198 pounds is not much to lower from the truck. (I do
>> have a hand truck to take it from the side of the truck to the shop.)
>> Unfortunately, I cannot be sure I can get mid-day help to do this. I'm
>> thinking some $$ inducement might inspire the driver -- it would be less
>> than 60 seconds of help to slide it down the back of the truck to the
>> ground. It's not as if I'm getting an 8" jointer. (Not yet.)
>
>> Any other ideas for doing this? Anyone know if the truck typically used
>> for this has a slot in which I might hook a ramp -- like U-haul trucks
>> have? Any homemade ramp designs? I figure that for anything <250 pounds
>> a
>> ramp would be an OK solution - even a steep ramp just for sliding the box.

Griz used Oak Harbor Freight for my G1012 (18" bandsaur) and he
unloaded it with his liftgate without being asked. I didn't arrange
for a liftgate but they provided one. Your trucking company might
also. Otherwise, wax up a tubaten and you + the trucker can easily
slide 'er down to the ground.

OR pop the crate open, remove the sub-100 lb pieces (motor, frame)
individually, then drop the lighter crate off the truck. It only
takes a couple minutes. Hand-truck 'em inside as he drives off.

I used a milk crate for leverage to get my heavy casting up onto the
stand so I could assemble the entire bandsaw by myself that afternoon.
It took about an hour as there was very little cosmolene to remove.


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On Tue, 28 Dec 2004 01:11:28 -0500, Silvan
<[email protected]> calmly ranted:

>(Which is a very complicated way of saying I wasn't born yet. Not until
>'72, back when half of you people around here still had hair.)

You were born the year after I gradidjulated from high school, you
young whippersnapper. And I still have half my hair.


>My problem is I'm somewhat decent looking, I'm told repeatedly, but then
>people get to know me. :)

You're sick, perverted, and twisted, so you know you're appreciated
here. We support our own.


>Yeah, that's right, I met her in Latin class. Cute, ain't it?

Yeah. Did you French her there?


>Our relationship has always been kind of weird, but it works. It's less
>passion than codependency. She's really not very good at dealing with
>situations that involve making a decision. I'm not very good at dealing
>with situations that involve people. Together we're a hell of a team.
>Apart, we'd both be living with our parents. :)

<gurgle>


>I'll have to take a raincheck on that. As you have doubtless surmised from
>my other posts, the hospital didn't call because things got nasty. The
>last thing she needs right now is a hug, though if I'm careful I can touch
>her pinky without hurting her.

I still say we're living in the bloody Stone Age when it comes to
medical practice. I'll likely die rather than going into a hospital
again willingly. The result would, no doubt, be the same.

Your wifey evidently got the guy who gradidjulated from medical school
by the skin of his teeth. Best wishes on a speedy (albeit longer than
planned) recovery for her.


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On Mon, 27 Dec 2004 12:22:42 -0700, Doug Winterburn
<[email protected]> calmly ranted:

>On Sun, 26 Dec 2004 00:36:35 +0000, igor wrote:
>
>> Any other ideas for doing this? Anyone know if the truck typically used
>> for this has a slot in which I might hook a ramp -- like U-haul trucks
>> have? Any homemade ramp designs? I figure that for anything <250 pounds
>> a ramp would be an OK solution - even a steep ramp just for sliding the
>> box. -- Igor
>
>Here's a solution:
>
><http://www.harborfreight.com/cpi/ctaf/displayitem.taf?Itemnumber=47591>

I already posted that solution yesterday, Doug, noting that it was on
half-price sale. I wish I'd bought one of those instead of the pickup
crane (which I still haven't taken out of the box.)

I DID just get the fuming box glued up a few minutes ago, though. It's
5' wide by 3' tall and 2' deep, made from some stunning birdseye SPF
tubatwos and onebuhtwos. Ourghta be about big enough, huh? I'll fold
in one side of the plastic (and not trim it) so I can stick longer
boards in and still be able to seal it when I make the G&G couch...
unless I make it out of jarrah.


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This has been most interesting thread to watch....
Let us know what happened when it was delivered!


When is it due in any case?


On Mon, 27 Dec 2004 03:06:22 GMT, igor <[email protected]> wrote:

>This is a lot more replies than I had expected -- one never knows. All
>very helpful. Thanks everyone.
>
>A couple of comments. I did call Grizzly and they said that it is OK to
>lay the box on its side. As a couple of people noted, it apparently even
>ships on its side. I live in a rowhouse in a metro area, so its not quite
>suburban and certainly not country. (For example, Fedex and UPS have
>standing orders from me (which they sometimes forget) to leave nothing at
>the door if no one is here.) OTOH, many of the suggestions made me think
>back to the suburban house I grew up in, with my Dad's garage workshop
>right at driveway level -- drive up and drop.
>
>I am hopeful that the driver will provide at least some basic help, and as
>noted by many, 198# is rather manageable. But I always like to be prepared
>in case, for whatever reason, he is content to do nothing. My experience,
>to date, even with companies that say "curb-side only" is that the drivers
>do help. I got one delivery that was about 3K pounds in 70 pound packages
>and unexpectedly the driver took one for about everyone I took - including
>6 steps up to the front porch. Tools go up just two steps from the
>sidewalk and then down 7 to the basement. Having a hand truck with large
>air-filled tires - versus the small hard wheels - helps a lot both up and
>down.
>
>Again, thanks for all of the observations and anecdotes. And for those of
>you who wrestled the tools with your wife's help, I am especially
>impressed. -- Igor

On Sun, 26 Dec 2004 02:00:39 -0500, Silvan
<[email protected]> wrote:

>igor wrote:
>
>> Any other ideas for doing this? Anyone know if the truck typically used
>> for this has a slot in which I might hook a ramp -- like U-haul trucks
>> have? Any homemade ramp designs? I figure that for anything <250 pounds
>> a ramp would be an OK solution - even a steep ramp just for sliding the
>> box. -- Igor
>
>It's not the weight. 198 pounds is really rather trivial as stuff that
>ships on trucks goes. (I'm a truck driver. I shove things off the ass end
>of my truck all day long.)
>
>The problem getting 198 pounds to the ground without a lift gate is with the
>length of the box. If you have a box about 6' long that weighs 400 pounds,
>it's not too difficult a matter to shove it off the truck and lever it down
>to the ground, using the edge of the trailer itself as the fulcrum to take
>up most of the weight (being careful not to snag it on door hooks and
>whatnot). If the box is only 3' long, then it gets bitchy.

"Give me a lever long enough and I can move the earth."

Try a plywood ramp and a pulley system. Been there too. Ease it down
at your own pace, using one hand if the system has several pulleys.

"WD" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:91%[email protected]...
> On Mon, 27 Dec 2004 18:48:46 GMT, "Vic Baron" <[email protected]> wrote:
>
> >
>
> >> Problem? Get rope. Tie one end to bandsaw. Tie other end to tree.
> >> Drive truck away. Bandsaw on ground. No problem.
> >> the idea man,
> >> jo4hn
> >> :-)
> >
> >Naw, that's TOO easy!
> >
> >Vic
>
> You got to give him credit for being so brilliant and really easiest,
beside
> using a sledge hammer,break it apart and remove from the truck one piece
at a
> time. :-)
>
>
>

Good point. His method does take the least amount of effort! HOOOYAH!

I share the same experience as Kenneth. I have received a 600 lb table saw,
600 lb planer, 450 lb, jointer. and several lighter items even without being
at home when the deliveries were done. In some cases, I got the service
even without paying the additional lift gate fee ($75 - $125). At the end,
I have been happy with the services received from the shipping companies.
On other hand, it has been unnecessary difficult to arrange the delivery
with Grizzly. The other companies (Wilkes) have been more flexible in the
shipping arrangements.

Although the bandsaw is reasonable light (<200 lb), you should be careful
not to damage it during the transportation. Most bandsaws are preassembled
and should be delivered in standing position - not laying flat on the floor.

Cheers, Ollie

"Kenneth" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> Hi Igor,
>
> First, the bad news:
>
> As I understand this situation, the trucker is obligated
> only to get the goods to the rear lip of the truck.
>
> Now, the good news:
>
> I receive a fair amount of trucked goods, some much heavier
> than yours.
>
> Never have I had any trucker hesitate to provide assistance,
> and when they have assisted, it has often been far beyond
> anything I might have expected.
>
> All that said, you have the be prepared to lower the thing
> on your own just in case...
>
> In the grand scheme of things, your package is rather light.
> With a friend, you could easily lower it to the ground with
> no equipment whatever.
>
> Were I in your shoes, I would invite a friend over, or, if
> that were not possible, I'd have a pair of 2 x 10s handy for
> a makeshift ramp.
>
> Whatever you do, have fun with it!
>
> All the best,
>
> --
> Kenneth
>
> If you email... Please remove the "SPAMLESS."