MR

"Michael Ryan"

07/02/2004 11:42 PM

Can I use a Jetfence as a router fence?

I'm building an extension table on my Jet table saw to house a router for
sake of space. I've seen some of the Rockler router table extensions, and
they use slots to guide and hold the fence. I have a 30" Jetfence, with
cast iron wings. If I buy the Rockler extension, I'd have to take out the
right cast iron wing, which I don't want to do. This is why I'm making my
own "smaller" version that will fill up the empty space.

My questions are:

1. Is there any advantage in somehow using the table saw fence as a router
fence?
2. If so, how can I go about doing it? I can't figure out any way to attach
another fence to it, without drilling holes in it. I've never used a router
table, but it seems like a clamped on fence would get in the way, so that
seems out of the question.

I've searched all over this newsgroup and can't find the answer to this.
I'm not an expert, so what I am asking may be stupid.

Thanks in advance,
Michael



This topic has 8 replies

MR

"Michael Ryan"

in reply to "Michael Ryan" on 07/02/2004 11:42 PM

08/02/2004 2:30 PM

Rob, ...very cool website by the way.. nice work!

"Rob Stokes" <[email protected]> wrote in message
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> was....a clean shop :(
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> Now it's someone else's....
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> Rob
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> >
> > ;)
> >
> > "Rob Stokes" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> > news:kkkVb.11836$QX4.1191@clgrps13...
> > > Michael:
> > >
> > > have a look at my JET Contractors saw:
> > > http://www.robswoodworking.com/images/table_saw.jpg
> > >
> > > I built the table extension in no time, but I had holes in the stamped
> > wings
> > > to bolt it to. You may have to get inventive. If you look close you'll
> see
> > > two pieces of t-track inlayed into the table (they're blue). These are
> for
> > > the t-bolts that lock the Rockler fence in place. I cut the "t"
portion
> > out
> > > of one end of each piece so I can drop the fence in or remove it
> quickly.
> > >
> > > The "box" looking thing below the table is one of two simple drawers I
> > made
> > > to hold bits/wrenches etc.
> > >
> > > I have used the TS fance a couple of times, but rarely. I'd suggest a
> > second
> > > fence for the router table. I used it today as a matter of fact, and
I'm
> > > still glad I did it this way.
> > >
> > > Good luck
> > > Rob
> > >
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> > > "Michael Ryan" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> > > news:[email protected]...
> > > > I'm building an extension table on my Jet table saw to house a
router
> > for
> > > > sake of space. I've seen some of the Rockler router table
extensions,
> > and
> > > > they use slots to guide and hold the fence. I have a 30" Jetfence,
> with
> > > > cast iron wings. If I buy the Rockler extension, I'd have to take
out
> > the
> > > > right cast iron wing, which I don't want to do. This is why I'm
> making
> > my
> > > > own "smaller" version that will fill up the empty space.
> > > >
> > > > My questions are:
> > > >
> > > > 1. Is there any advantage in somehow using the table saw fence as a
> > router
> > > > fence?
> > > > 2. If so, how can I go about doing it? I can't figure out any way
to
> > > attach
> > > > another fence to it, without drilling holes in it. I've never used
a
> > > router
> > > > table, but it seems like a clamped on fence would get in the way, so
> > that
> > > > seems out of the question.
> > > >
> > > > I've searched all over this newsgroup and can't find the answer to
> this.
> > > > I'm not an expert, so what I am asking may be stupid.
> > > >
> > > > Thanks in advance,
> > > > Michael
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
>
>

Bn

Bridger

in reply to "Michael Ryan" on 07/02/2004 11:42 PM

07/02/2004 11:21 PM

On Sat, 7 Feb 2004 23:42:12 -0600, "Michael Ryan"
<[email protected]> wrote:

>I'm building an extension table on my Jet table saw to house a router for
>sake of space. I've seen some of the Rockler router table extensions, and
>they use slots to guide and hold the fence. I have a 30" Jetfence, with
>cast iron wings. If I buy the Rockler extension, I'd have to take out the
>right cast iron wing, which I don't want to do. This is why I'm making my
>own "smaller" version that will fill up the empty space.
>
>My questions are:
>
>1. Is there any advantage in somehow using the table saw fence as a router
>fence?

it's already there. it's probably stouter than a typical router table
fence. it has an accurate and repeatable adjustment mechanism.



>2. If so, how can I go about doing it? I can't figure out any way to attach
>another fence to it, without drilling holes in it.

if your fence has parallel vertical sides make a fence that straddles
the rip fence.



what the heck, drill some holes. it's a tool... it's there to help
you get some work done, not to look pretty sitting there.



> I've never used a router
>table, but it seems like a clamped on fence would get in the way, so that
>seems out of the question.

it will be in the way for ripping operations. this is the nature of
having the router and the saw share the station- one will always be in
the way of the other.....

it will also restrict you to a fence that runs front to back, if you
want to use it while standing where you'd stand to use the saw. front
to back is less useful (imo) on a router table than a fence that runs
side to side, generally behind the bit. if you work at the router
table from the end of the extension wing the fence will be in the
right orientation, but adjusting the fence may mean walking back and
forth. since you are doing this to save space you may not be able to
work from the end of the wing.



>
>I've searched all over this newsgroup and can't find the answer to this.
>I'm not an expert, so what I am asking may be stupid.

if it was stupid you'd see it asked a _lot_.
; ^ )




>
>Thanks in advance,
>Michael
>
>


hope it helps...
Bridger

RS

"Rob Stokes"

in reply to "Michael Ryan" on 07/02/2004 11:42 PM

08/02/2004 9:24 PM

why thank you!

Rob

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"Michael Ryan" <[email protected]> wrote in message
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> Rob, ...very cool website by the way.. nice work!
>
> "Rob Stokes" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> news:mevVb.10295$7Q1.1038@clgrps12...
> > was....a clean shop :(
> >
> > Now it's someone else's....
> >
> > Rob
> >
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> > "Rob V" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> > news:[email protected]...
> > > Damn thats a clean shop!
> > >
> > > ;)
> > >
> > > "Rob Stokes" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> > > news:kkkVb.11836$QX4.1191@clgrps13...
> > > > Michael:
> > > >
> > > > have a look at my JET Contractors saw:
> > > > http://www.robswoodworking.com/images/table_saw.jpg
> > > >
> > > > I built the table extension in no time, but I had holes in the
stamped
> > > wings
> > > > to bolt it to. You may have to get inventive. If you look close
you'll
> > see
> > > > two pieces of t-track inlayed into the table (they're blue). These
are
> > for
> > > > the t-bolts that lock the Rockler fence in place. I cut the "t"
> portion
> > > out
> > > > of one end of each piece so I can drop the fence in or remove it
> > quickly.
> > > >
> > > > The "box" looking thing below the table is one of two simple drawers
I
> > > made
> > > > to hold bits/wrenches etc.
> > > >
> > > > I have used the TS fance a couple of times, but rarely. I'd suggest
a
> > > second
> > > > fence for the router table. I used it today as a matter of fact, and
> I'm
> > > > still glad I did it this way.
> > > >
> > > > Good luck
> > > > Rob
> > > >
> > > > --
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> > > >
> > > > "Michael Ryan" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> > > > news:[email protected]...
> > > > > I'm building an extension table on my Jet table saw to house a
> router
> > > for
> > > > > sake of space. I've seen some of the Rockler router table
> extensions,
> > > and
> > > > > they use slots to guide and hold the fence. I have a 30"
Jetfence,
> > with
> > > > > cast iron wings. If I buy the Rockler extension, I'd have to take
> out
> > > the
> > > > > right cast iron wing, which I don't want to do. This is why I'm
> > making
> > > my
> > > > > own "smaller" version that will fill up the empty space.
> > > > >
> > > > > My questions are:
> > > > >
> > > > > 1. Is there any advantage in somehow using the table saw fence as
a
> > > router
> > > > > fence?
> > > > > 2. If so, how can I go about doing it? I can't figure out any way
> to
> > > > attach
> > > > > another fence to it, without drilling holes in it. I've never
used
> a
> > > > router
> > > > > table, but it seems like a clamped on fence would get in the way,
so
> > > that
> > > > > seems out of the question.
> > > > >
> > > > > I've searched all over this newsgroup and can't find the answer to
> > this.
> > > > > I'm not an expert, so what I am asking may be stupid.
> > > > >
> > > > > Thanks in advance,
> > > > > Michael
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
>
>

MR

"Michael Ryan"

in reply to "Michael Ryan" on 07/02/2004 11:42 PM

08/02/2004 2:13 PM

I just wanted to say thanks to everyone for all these great suggestions! I
haven't decided what to do yet, but this is definitely a BIG help and will
get me started!

Michael

"Rob Stokes" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:kkkVb.11836$QX4.1191@clgrps13...
> Michael:
>
> have a look at my JET Contractors saw:
> http://www.robswoodworking.com/images/table_saw.jpg
>
> I built the table extension in no time, but I had holes in the stamped
wings
> to bolt it to. You may have to get inventive. If you look close you'll see
> two pieces of t-track inlayed into the table (they're blue). These are for
> the t-bolts that lock the Rockler fence in place. I cut the "t" portion
out
> of one end of each piece so I can drop the fence in or remove it quickly.
>
> The "box" looking thing below the table is one of two simple drawers I
made
> to hold bits/wrenches etc.
>
> I have used the TS fance a couple of times, but rarely. I'd suggest a
second
> fence for the router table. I used it today as a matter of fact, and I'm
> still glad I did it this way.
>
> Good luck
> Rob
>
> --
>
>
>
> ******PLEASE NOTE OUR NEW EMAIL ADDRESS******
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> [email protected]
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>
> "Michael Ryan" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> news:[email protected]...
> > I'm building an extension table on my Jet table saw to house a router
for
> > sake of space. I've seen some of the Rockler router table extensions,
and
> > they use slots to guide and hold the fence. I have a 30" Jetfence, with
> > cast iron wings. If I buy the Rockler extension, I'd have to take out
the
> > right cast iron wing, which I don't want to do. This is why I'm making
my
> > own "smaller" version that will fill up the empty space.
> >
> > My questions are:
> >
> > 1. Is there any advantage in somehow using the table saw fence as a
router
> > fence?
> > 2. If so, how can I go about doing it? I can't figure out any way to
> attach
> > another fence to it, without drilling holes in it. I've never used a
> router
> > table, but it seems like a clamped on fence would get in the way, so
that
> > seems out of the question.
> >
> > I've searched all over this newsgroup and can't find the answer to this.
> > I'm not an expert, so what I am asking may be stupid.
> >
> > Thanks in advance,
> > Michael
> >
> >
> >
>
>

dd

"dave(remove).kozlowski" <"dave(remove).kozlowski"@shaw.ca>

in reply to "Michael Ryan" on 07/02/2004 11:42 PM

08/02/2004 7:24 AM

I own a JET 10" contractors saw and have attached a "sacrificial" fence
to the JET fence with bolts (requires driling holes. Only problem I
found was that as I tightened the bolts, the sacrificial fence would
lean over (causing out of square condition).

You can avoid this through the use of double sided tape, or shim the
fence to maintain squareness. Double sided tape can be a pain when you
go to remove the sacrificial fence. If the tape has been on for a long
time it can be a real pain to remove...

One thing you have to be aware of, the JET fence unless "firmly"
tightened down will deflect over .020". Which when pushing items
against the fence can cause "wavey" cuts. This can be avoided by
ensuring that you have fully bottomed out the cam assembly, or by
putting a clamp on the outfeed end.

Bridger wrote:
> On Sat, 7 Feb 2004 23:42:12 -0600, "Michael Ryan"
> <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>
>>I'm building an extension table on my Jet table saw to house a router for
>>sake of space. I've seen some of the Rockler router table extensions, and
>>they use slots to guide and hold the fence. I have a 30" Jetfence, with
>>cast iron wings. If I buy the Rockler extension, I'd have to take out the
>>right cast iron wing, which I don't want to do. This is why I'm making my
>>own "smaller" version that will fill up the empty space.
>>
>>My questions are:
>>
>>1. Is there any advantage in somehow using the table saw fence as a router
>>fence?
>
>
> it's already there. it's probably stouter than a typical router table
> fence. it has an accurate and repeatable adjustment mechanism.
>
>
>
>
>>2. If so, how can I go about doing it? I can't figure out any way to attach
>>another fence to it, without drilling holes in it.
>
>
> if your fence has parallel vertical sides make a fence that straddles
> the rip fence.
>
>
>
> what the heck, drill some holes. it's a tool... it's there to help
> you get some work done, not to look pretty sitting there.
>
>
>
>
>>I've never used a router
>>table, but it seems like a clamped on fence would get in the way, so that
>>seems out of the question.
>
>
> it will be in the way for ripping operations. this is the nature of
> having the router and the saw share the station- one will always be in
> the way of the other.....
>
> it will also restrict you to a fence that runs front to back, if you
> want to use it while standing where you'd stand to use the saw. front
> to back is less useful (imo) on a router table than a fence that runs
> side to side, generally behind the bit. if you work at the router
> table from the end of the extension wing the fence will be in the
> right orientation, but adjusting the fence may mean walking back and
> forth. since you are doing this to save space you may not be able to
> work from the end of the wing.
>
>
>
>
>>I've searched all over this newsgroup and can't find the answer to this.
>>I'm not an expert, so what I am asking may be stupid.
>
>
> if it was stupid you'd see it asked a _lot_.
> ; ^ )
>
>
>
>
>
>>Thanks in advance,
>>Michael
>>
>>
>
>
>
> hope it helps...
> Bridger

RS

"Rob Stokes"

in reply to "Michael Ryan" on 07/02/2004 11:42 PM

08/02/2004 6:05 AM

Michael:

have a look at my JET Contractors saw:
http://www.robswoodworking.com/images/table_saw.jpg

I built the table extension in no time, but I had holes in the stamped wings
to bolt it to. You may have to get inventive. If you look close you'll see
two pieces of t-track inlayed into the table (they're blue). These are for
the t-bolts that lock the Rockler fence in place. I cut the "t" portion out
of one end of each piece so I can drop the fence in or remove it quickly.

The "box" looking thing below the table is one of two simple drawers I made
to hold bits/wrenches etc.

I have used the TS fance a couple of times, but rarely. I'd suggest a second
fence for the router table. I used it today as a matter of fact, and I'm
still glad I did it this way.

Good luck
Rob

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"Michael Ryan" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> I'm building an extension table on my Jet table saw to house a router for
> sake of space. I've seen some of the Rockler router table extensions, and
> they use slots to guide and hold the fence. I have a 30" Jetfence, with
> cast iron wings. If I buy the Rockler extension, I'd have to take out the
> right cast iron wing, which I don't want to do. This is why I'm making my
> own "smaller" version that will fill up the empty space.
>
> My questions are:
>
> 1. Is there any advantage in somehow using the table saw fence as a router
> fence?
> 2. If so, how can I go about doing it? I can't figure out any way to
attach
> another fence to it, without drilling holes in it. I've never used a
router
> table, but it seems like a clamped on fence would get in the way, so that
> seems out of the question.
>
> I've searched all over this newsgroup and can't find the answer to this.
> I'm not an expert, so what I am asking may be stupid.
>
> Thanks in advance,
> Michael
>
>
>

RS

"Rob Stokes"

in reply to "Michael Ryan" on 07/02/2004 11:42 PM

08/02/2004 6:29 PM

was....a clean shop :(

Now it's someone else's....

Rob

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"Rob V" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> Damn thats a clean shop!
>
> ;)
>
> "Rob Stokes" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> news:kkkVb.11836$QX4.1191@clgrps13...
> > Michael:
> >
> > have a look at my JET Contractors saw:
> > http://www.robswoodworking.com/images/table_saw.jpg
> >
> > I built the table extension in no time, but I had holes in the stamped
> wings
> > to bolt it to. You may have to get inventive. If you look close you'll
see
> > two pieces of t-track inlayed into the table (they're blue). These are
for
> > the t-bolts that lock the Rockler fence in place. I cut the "t" portion
> out
> > of one end of each piece so I can drop the fence in or remove it
quickly.
> >
> > The "box" looking thing below the table is one of two simple drawers I
> made
> > to hold bits/wrenches etc.
> >
> > I have used the TS fance a couple of times, but rarely. I'd suggest a
> second
> > fence for the router table. I used it today as a matter of fact, and I'm
> > still glad I did it this way.
> >
> > Good luck
> > Rob
> >
> > --
> >
> >
> >
> > ******PLEASE NOTE OUR NEW EMAIL ADDRESS******
> >
> > [email protected]
> >
> > Please visit our (recently updated) web site:
> > http://www.robswoodworking.com
> >
> > "Michael Ryan" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> > news:[email protected]...
> > > I'm building an extension table on my Jet table saw to house a router
> for
> > > sake of space. I've seen some of the Rockler router table extensions,
> and
> > > they use slots to guide and hold the fence. I have a 30" Jetfence,
with
> > > cast iron wings. If I buy the Rockler extension, I'd have to take out
> the
> > > right cast iron wing, which I don't want to do. This is why I'm
making
> my
> > > own "smaller" version that will fill up the empty space.
> > >
> > > My questions are:
> > >
> > > 1. Is there any advantage in somehow using the table saw fence as a
> router
> > > fence?
> > > 2. If so, how can I go about doing it? I can't figure out any way to
> > attach
> > > another fence to it, without drilling holes in it. I've never used a
> > router
> > > table, but it seems like a clamped on fence would get in the way, so
> that
> > > seems out of the question.
> > >
> > > I've searched all over this newsgroup and can't find the answer to
this.
> > > I'm not an expert, so what I am asking may be stupid.
> > >
> > > Thanks in advance,
> > > Michael
> > >
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
>
>

RV

"Rob V"

in reply to "Michael Ryan" on 07/02/2004 11:42 PM

08/02/2004 4:38 PM

Damn thats a clean shop!

;)

"Rob Stokes" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:kkkVb.11836$QX4.1191@clgrps13...
> Michael:
>
> have a look at my JET Contractors saw:
> http://www.robswoodworking.com/images/table_saw.jpg
>
> I built the table extension in no time, but I had holes in the stamped
wings
> to bolt it to. You may have to get inventive. If you look close you'll see
> two pieces of t-track inlayed into the table (they're blue). These are for
> the t-bolts that lock the Rockler fence in place. I cut the "t" portion
out
> of one end of each piece so I can drop the fence in or remove it quickly.
>
> The "box" looking thing below the table is one of two simple drawers I
made
> to hold bits/wrenches etc.
>
> I have used the TS fance a couple of times, but rarely. I'd suggest a
second
> fence for the router table. I used it today as a matter of fact, and I'm
> still glad I did it this way.
>
> Good luck
> Rob
>
> --
>
>
>
> ******PLEASE NOTE OUR NEW EMAIL ADDRESS******
>
> [email protected]
>
> Please visit our (recently updated) web site:
> http://www.robswoodworking.com
>
> "Michael Ryan" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> news:[email protected]...
> > I'm building an extension table on my Jet table saw to house a router
for
> > sake of space. I've seen some of the Rockler router table extensions,
and
> > they use slots to guide and hold the fence. I have a 30" Jetfence, with
> > cast iron wings. If I buy the Rockler extension, I'd have to take out
the
> > right cast iron wing, which I don't want to do. This is why I'm making
my
> > own "smaller" version that will fill up the empty space.
> >
> > My questions are:
> >
> > 1. Is there any advantage in somehow using the table saw fence as a
router
> > fence?
> > 2. If so, how can I go about doing it? I can't figure out any way to
> attach
> > another fence to it, without drilling holes in it. I've never used a
> router
> > table, but it seems like a clamped on fence would get in the way, so
that
> > seems out of the question.
> >
> > I've searched all over this newsgroup and can't find the answer to this.
> > I'm not an expert, so what I am asking may be stupid.
> >
> > Thanks in advance,
> > Michael
> >
> >
> >
>
>


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