For civility discussion and exchange views;
The background:
Recently bought a Harbor Freight cordless/driver 19.2v drill, for $29.99 during
their sales. Sold my cordless Porter Cable 14.4v last year together with all my
woodworking's tools. I need a cordless drill/driver for a small job. To my
surprise this China-made tool is solid but crude not as nice, smooth or
beautiful compares with Porter Cable. I returned the next day and bought an
additional battery ($19.99) and two year warranties ($10). I figure if it failed
in two years I still got my money worth of an investment of $65.
The charger is a simple 24V DC. No "memory" or "program" compares with Porter
Cable. Just a simple 24V DC charger. On further examination of the battery, it
has 14 Ni-Cad 1.2V 1300 mAH cells. Comparable Sanyo's cell cost more than $5 per
cell. Harbor Freight replacement battery cost $19.99. Would you not consider it
as selling below cost or "give away"?
On 7/5/2011 6:30 AM, HeyBub wrote:
> Puckdropper wrote:
>> "HeyBub"<[email protected]> wrote in
>> news:[email protected]:
>>
>>>
>>> Because the charger is a bare-bones model, do NOT let the battery sit
>>> in the charger longer than the recommendation - if I recall, it's
>>> five hours.
>>>
>>> You CAN open up the charger and put a 30-ohm resister in series with
>>> the positive lead to permit leaving the battery in the charger
>>> indefinitely. Doing so will increase the charge time, so be aware of
>>> the trade-off.
>>>
>>
>> An alternative would be to plug the charger into a timer with
>> removable setting pins. Install the off pin but do not install the
>> on pin. The timer will then turn off at the specified time.
>>
>> Depending on the charger, leaving the battery on the charger for a
>> long time (days) after it shuts off may result in a drained battery.
>> Removing the battery the next day seems to work fine, however.
>>
>
> I like your idea of the timer. Put the battery in place, set the timer for
> midnight with an OFF at 5:00 a.m., turn on the timer.
>
> To prevent discharge, maybe add a diode to the positive terminal?
>
>
Once you buy a timer, install a diode.....might as well have spent the
extra money to get a good drill and charger.
"HeyBub" <[email protected]> wrote in
news:[email protected]:
>
> Because the charger is a bare-bones model, do NOT let the battery sit
> in the charger longer than the recommendation - if I recall, it's five
> hours.
>
> You CAN open up the charger and put a 30-ohm resister in series with
> the positive lead to permit leaving the battery in the charger
> indefinitely. Doing so will increase the charge time, so be aware of
> the trade-off.
>
An alternative would be to plug the charger into a timer with removable
setting pins. Install the off pin but do not install the on pin. The
timer will then turn off at the specified time.
Depending on the charger, leaving the battery on the charger for a long
time (days) after it shuts off may result in a drained battery. Removing
the battery the next day seems to work fine, however.
Puckdropper
"HeyBub" <[email protected]> wrote in
news:[email protected]:
> Leon wrote:
>>
>> Once you buy a timer, install a diode.....might as well have spent the
>> extra money to get a good drill and charger.
>
> Not if you buy a Harbor Freight timer. Don't know if they sell diodes.
>
>
HF doesn't sell diodes or other discrete components. Look online. All
Electronics had 1N4003 diodes at 100 for $2-3.
The nice thing about the timer is you don't have to dedicate it to your
tool. Use it for something else while you're not charging your battery.
Puckdropper
On Wed, 06 Jul 2011 06:50:13 -0500, Leon <lcb11211@swbelldotnet>
wrote:
>On 7/6/2011 1:27 AM, Larry Jaques wrote:
>> On Mon, 04 Jul 2011 15:58:31 -0500, Leon<lcb11211@swbelldotnet>
>> wrote:
>> The Ryobis are light years ahead of the HF cheapies, with much longer
>> battery life (per charge) and at least triple the torque.
>>
>> Hmm, the kit adding a recip + a flashlight is only $129...
>> http://goo.gl/XM0rG
>
>Unless you have a specific need for a battery operated saw I would
>suggest not spending the money. I have found that you get extremely low
>run time out of rechargeable batteries when they are used for any thing
>much more than a drill or dust buster. For the same money you can get a
>corded version that will work all day long vs 3~4 minutes per charge.
I hear you. The little cordless circ saws are great to cut laminate to
rough size or make quick cutouts/cutoffs in sheet goods, though. Just
don't try to make any curved cuts with 'em.
But I want (and will buy) the kit primarily for the drill motor, since
the impactor isn't ideal for drilling. And having just seen the need
for a cordless recip saw (which doesn't eat batts like the circ saw
does), I think the $40 difference for it and the flashlight is
probably warranted. Unlike the HF, the Ryobi drill motor stops
instantly when the trigger is released, within 1 rev.
My main screwdriver, though, is a lovely Makita BTD141 18v lithium
beauty. http://goo.gl/FYK5D
And YES, I've been infected by you guys' rantings on panel saws and am
getting crosseyed by keeping one eye on them and the other on reality.
;)
--
Fear not those who argue but those who dodge.
-- Marie Ebner von Eschenbach
On Wed, 06 Jul 2011 18:40:09 -0500, Leon <lcb11211@swbelldotnet>
wrote:
>On 7/6/2011 7:27 AM, Larry Jaques wrote:
>> On Wed, 06 Jul 2011 06:50:13 -0500, Leon<lcb11211@swbelldotnet>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> On 7/6/2011 1:27 AM, Larry Jaques wrote:
>>>> On Mon, 04 Jul 2011 15:58:31 -0500, Leon<lcb11211@swbelldotnet>
>>>> wrote:
>>
>
>>
>> But I want (and will buy) the kit primarily for the drill motor, since
>> the impactor isn't ideal for drilling. And having just seen the need
>> for a cordless recip saw (which doesn't eat batts like the circ saw
>> does), I think the $40 difference for it and the flashlight is
>> probably warranted. Unlike the HF, the Ryobi drill motor stops
>> instantly when the trigger is released, within 1 rev.
>
>
>Impactor? Impact drive? The are actually great for drilling relatively
>small holes.
They will do it, but not as smoothly as a regular drill driver. I hate
having the impact kick in. 'Course, I work almost exclusively in soft
woods, that wet pressure treated crap. Do you use brad points in
Snappy mandrels on hardwoods?
>I use Snappy bits.
Ditto. Remind me to buy another 1/16" bit tomorrow, for my tiniest
Snappy mandrel.
--
Fear not those who argue but those who dodge.
-- Marie Ebner von Eschenbach
Puckdropper wrote:
> "HeyBub" <[email protected]> wrote in
> news:[email protected]:
>
>> Leon wrote:
>>>
>>> Once you buy a timer, install a diode.....might as well have spent
>>> the extra money to get a good drill and charger.
>>
>> Not if you buy a Harbor Freight timer. Don't know if they sell
>> diodes.
>>
>>
>
> HF doesn't sell diodes or other discrete components. Look online.
> All Electronics had 1N4003 diodes at 100 for $2-3.
>
> The nice thing about the timer is you don't have to dedicate it to
> your tool. Use it for something else while you're not charging your
> battery.
>
Yep. I gave up on those fancy-schmancy coffee pots. I had FOUR B&D
undercounter units fail in two years. B&D replaced 'em free, but I got tired
of messing with the damn things. I now have a $9.95 POS from Walmart (with a
spare in the closet) driven by a mechanical timer. Hasn't failed in three
years.
On 7/6/2011 7:27 AM, Larry Jaques wrote:
> On Wed, 06 Jul 2011 06:50:13 -0500, Leon<lcb11211@swbelldotnet>
> wrote:
>
>> On 7/6/2011 1:27 AM, Larry Jaques wrote:
>>> On Mon, 04 Jul 2011 15:58:31 -0500, Leon<lcb11211@swbelldotnet>
>>> wrote:
>
>
> But I want (and will buy) the kit primarily for the drill motor, since
> the impactor isn't ideal for drilling. And having just seen the need
> for a cordless recip saw (which doesn't eat batts like the circ saw
> does), I think the $40 difference for it and the flashlight is
> probably warranted. Unlike the HF, the Ryobi drill motor stops
> instantly when the trigger is released, within 1 rev.
Impactor? Impact drive? The are actually great for drilling relatively
small holes. I use Snappy bits.
Puckdropper wrote:
> "HeyBub" <[email protected]> wrote in
> news:[email protected]:
>
>>
>> Because the charger is a bare-bones model, do NOT let the battery sit
>> in the charger longer than the recommendation - if I recall, it's
>> five hours.
>>
>> You CAN open up the charger and put a 30-ohm resister in series with
>> the positive lead to permit leaving the battery in the charger
>> indefinitely. Doing so will increase the charge time, so be aware of
>> the trade-off.
>>
>
> An alternative would be to plug the charger into a timer with
> removable setting pins. Install the off pin but do not install the
> on pin. The timer will then turn off at the specified time.
>
> Depending on the charger, leaving the battery on the charger for a
> long time (days) after it shuts off may result in a drained battery.
> Removing the battery the next day seems to work fine, however.
>
I like your idea of the timer. Put the battery in place, set the timer for
midnight with an OFF at 5:00 a.m., turn on the timer.
To prevent discharge, maybe add a diode to the positive terminal?
On 7/6/2011 11:10 PM, Larry Jaques wrote:
> On Wed, 06 Jul 2011 18:40:09 -0500, Leon<lcb11211@swbelldotnet>
> wrote:
>
>> On 7/6/2011 7:27 AM, Larry Jaques wrote:
>>> On Wed, 06 Jul 2011 06:50:13 -0500, Leon<lcb11211@swbelldotnet>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> On 7/6/2011 1:27 AM, Larry Jaques wrote:
>>>>> On Mon, 04 Jul 2011 15:58:31 -0500, Leon<lcb11211@swbelldotnet>
>>>>> wrote:
>>>
>>
>>>
>>> But I want (and will buy) the kit primarily for the drill motor, since
>>> the impactor isn't ideal for drilling. And having just seen the need
>>> for a cordless recip saw (which doesn't eat batts like the circ saw
>>> does), I think the $40 difference for it and the flashlight is
>>> probably warranted. Unlike the HF, the Ryobi drill motor stops
>>> instantly when the trigger is released, within 1 rev.
>>
>>
>> Impactor? Impact drive? The are actually great for drilling relatively
>> small holes.
>
> They will do it, but not as smoothly as a regular drill driver. I hate
> having the impact kick in. 'Course, I work almost exclusively in soft
> woods, that wet pressure treated crap. Do you use brad points in
> Snappy mandrels on hardwoods?
>
I don't do critical drilling with the regular Snappy drill bits so I
leave the regular bits in. That said I actually have 3~4 sets of
counter sink Snappy bits, they came in a large set, and those cut a
pretty clean counter sink hole.
In the past I use Insta-Bits and the countersink portion of the bits
dulled quickly. The Snappy guy was counter sinking steel plates, they
probably stay sharp longer.
>
>
>> I use Snappy bits.
>
> Ditto. Remind me to buy another 1/16" bit tomorrow, for my tiniest
> Snappy mandrel.
I'll remind you now to buy several of that size, too cheap to not have a
bunch on hand, less expensive than the gas burned to buy a replacement.
>
> --
> Fear not those who argue but those who dodge.
> -- Marie Ebner von Eschenbach
Leon wrote:
>>>
>>> An alternative would be to plug the charger into a timer with
>>> removable setting pins. Install the off pin but do not install the
>>> on pin. The timer will then turn off at the specified time.
>>>
>>> Depending on the charger, leaving the battery on the charger for a
>>> long time (days) after it shuts off may result in a drained battery.
>>> Removing the battery the next day seems to work fine, however.
>>>
>>
>> I like your idea of the timer. Put the battery in place, set the
>> timer for midnight with an OFF at 5:00 a.m., turn on the timer.
>>
>> To prevent discharge, maybe add a diode to the positive terminal?
>>
>>
>
> Once you buy a timer, install a diode.....might as well have spent the
> extra money to get a good drill and charger.
Not if you buy a Harbor Freight timer. Don't know if they sell diodes.
On 7/4/2011 3:51 PM, WD wrote:
>
>
> For civility discussion and exchange views;
>
> The background:
>
> Recently bought a Harbor Freight cordless/driver 19.2v drill, for $29.99 during
> their sales. Sold my cordless Porter Cable 14.4v last year together with all my
> woodworking's tools. I need a cordless drill/driver for a small job. To my
> surprise this China-made tool is solid but crude not as nice, smooth or
> beautiful compares with Porter Cable. I returned the next day and bought an
> additional battery ($19.99) and two year warranties ($10). I figure if it failed
> in two years I still got my money worth of an investment of $65.
>
> The charger is a simple 24V DC. No "memory" or "program" compares with Porter
> Cable. Just a simple 24V DC charger. On further examination of the battery, it
> has 14 Ni-Cad 1.2V 1300 mAH cells. Comparable Sanyo's cell cost more than $5 per
> cell. Harbor Freight replacement battery cost $19.99. Would you not consider it
> as selling below cost or "give away"?
I would certainly would not consider it to be sold under cost, what
would be the point? Think CHEAP from CHINA.
On Mon, 04 Jul 2011 15:58:31 -0500, Leon <lcb11211@swbelldotnet>
wrote:
>On 7/4/2011 3:51 PM, WD wrote:
>>
>>
>> For civility discussion and exchange views;
>>
>> The background:
>>
>> Recently bought a Harbor Freight cordless/driver 19.2v drill, for $29.99 during
>> their sales. Sold my cordless Porter Cable 14.4v last year together with all my
>> woodworking's tools. I need a cordless drill/driver for a small job. To my
>> surprise this China-made tool is solid but crude not as nice, smooth or
>> beautiful compares with Porter Cable. I returned the next day and bought an
>> additional battery ($19.99) and two year warranties ($10). I figure if it failed
>> in two years I still got my money worth of an investment of $65.
>>
>> The charger is a simple 24V DC. No "memory" or "program" compares with Porter
>> Cable. Just a simple 24V DC charger. On further examination of the battery, it
>> has 14 Ni-Cad 1.2V 1300 mAH cells. Comparable Sanyo's cell cost more than $5 per
>> cell. Harbor Freight replacement battery cost $19.99. Would you not consider it
>> as selling below cost or "give away"?
>
>I would certainly would not consider it to be sold under cost, what
>would be the point? Think CHEAP from CHINA.
I bought one of the HF drill kits and an extra battery but use it so
infrequently that the batts go low before I need them. I'm heading to
Homey's Despot this week and buying a replacement Ryobi combo kit for
$89. Two batts for my old Ryobi 14.4v cost the same amount, so I get a
drill motor, two batts, circ saw, charger (all 18v), and case for the
same price, plus I can probably get $30 for the old kit and $20 for
the HF kit (if I'm lucky.) http://goo.gl/sdJiO
The Ryobis are light years ahead of the HF cheapies, with much longer
battery life (per charge) and at least triple the torque.
Hmm, the kit adding a recip + a flashlight is only $129...
http://goo.gl/XM0rG
--
Just getting back after a farkin' virus ate my computer.
I'm still without any email or usenet archives. <sigh>
On 7/6/2011 1:27 AM, Larry Jaques wrote:
> On Mon, 04 Jul 2011 15:58:31 -0500, Leon<lcb11211@swbelldotnet>
> wrote:
>
>> On 7/4/2011 3:51 PM, WD wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>> For civility discussion and exchange views;
>>>
>>> The background:
>>>
>>> Recently bought a Harbor Freight cordless/driver 19.2v drill, for $29.99 during
>>> their sales. Sold my cordless Porter Cable 14.4v last year together with all my
>>> woodworking's tools. I need a cordless drill/driver for a small job. To my
>>> surprise this China-made tool is solid but crude not as nice, smooth or
>>> beautiful compares with Porter Cable. I returned the next day and bought an
>>> additional battery ($19.99) and two year warranties ($10). I figure if it failed
>>> in two years I still got my money worth of an investment of $65.
>>>
>>> The charger is a simple 24V DC. No "memory" or "program" compares with Porter
>>> Cable. Just a simple 24V DC charger. On further examination of the battery, it
>>> has 14 Ni-Cad 1.2V 1300 mAH cells. Comparable Sanyo's cell cost more than $5 per
>>> cell. Harbor Freight replacement battery cost $19.99. Would you not consider it
>>> as selling below cost or "give away"?
>>
>> I would certainly would not consider it to be sold under cost, what
>> would be the point? Think CHEAP from CHINA.
>
> I bought one of the HF drill kits and an extra battery but use it so
> infrequently that the batts go low before I need them. I'm heading to
> Homey's Despot this week and buying a replacement Ryobi combo kit for
> $89. Two batts for my old Ryobi 14.4v cost the same amount, so I get a
> drill motor, two batts, circ saw, charger (all 18v), and case for the
> same price, plus I can probably get $30 for the old kit and $20 for
> the HF kit (if I'm lucky.) http://goo.gl/sdJiO
>
> The Ryobis are light years ahead of the HF cheapies, with much longer
> battery life (per charge) and at least triple the torque.
>
> Hmm, the kit adding a recip + a flashlight is only $129...
> http://goo.gl/XM0rG
>
Unless you have a specific need for a battery operated saw I would
suggest not spending the money. I have found that you get extremely low
run time out of rechargeable batteries when they are used for any thing
much more than a drill or dust buster. For the same money you can get a
corded version that will work all day long vs 3~4 minutes per charge.
On Mon, 4 Jul 2011 17:02:20 -0500, "HeyBub" <[email protected]> wrote:
>Because the charger is a bare-bones model, do NOT let the battery sit in the
>charger longer than the recommendation - if I recall, it's five hours.
Yes, the instruction said, not longer than 5 hrs and charging is 3 to 5 hrs.
>You CAN open up the charger and put a 30-ohm resister in series with the
>positive lead to permit leaving the battery in the charger indefinitely.
>Doing so will increase the charge time, so be aware of the trade-off.
Good advice. I sold my soldering tools, Sanwa multimeter and digital tester.
Thanks.
On Wed, 06 Jul 2011 05:27:55 -0700, Larry Jaques
<[email protected]> wrote:
>On Wed, 06 Jul 2011 06:50:13 -0500, Leon <lcb11211@swbelldotnet>
>wrote:
>
>>On 7/6/2011 1:27 AM, Larry Jaques wrote:
>>> On Mon, 04 Jul 2011 15:58:31 -0500, Leon<lcb11211@swbelldotnet>
>>> wrote:
>
>>> The Ryobis are light years ahead of the HF cheapies, with much longer
>>> battery life (per charge) and at least triple the torque.
>>>
>>> Hmm, the kit adding a recip + a flashlight is only $129...
>>> http://goo.gl/XM0rG
>>
>>Unless you have a specific need for a battery operated saw I would
>>suggest not spending the money. I have found that you get extremely low
>>run time out of rechargeable batteries when they are used for any thing
>>much more than a drill or dust buster. For the same money you can get a
>>corded version that will work all day long vs 3~4 minutes per charge.
I have an old Makita 3-1/2" cordless circular saw. It's great for trimming
cedar siding, standing on a ladder. ;-) I also have one of the 6-1/4"(?)
DeWalts. It's very good cutting sheet goods down to size and other quick work
(need to lop off one 2x).
>I hear you. The little cordless circ saws are great to cut laminate to
>rough size or make quick cutouts/cutoffs in sheet goods, though. Just
>don't try to make any curved cuts with 'em.
Well...
>But I want (and will buy) the kit primarily for the drill motor, since
>the impactor isn't ideal for drilling. And having just seen the need
>for a cordless recip saw (which doesn't eat batts like the circ saw
>does), I think the $40 difference for it and the flashlight is
>probably warranted. Unlike the HF, the Ryobi drill motor stops
>instantly when the trigger is released, within 1 rev.
>
>My main screwdriver, though, is a lovely Makita BTD141 18v lithium
>beauty. http://goo.gl/FYK5D
>
>And YES, I've been infected by you guys' rantings on panel saws and am
>getting crosseyed by keeping one eye on them and the other on reality.
>;)
WD wrote:
> For civility discussion and exchange views;
>
> The background:
>
> Recently bought a Harbor Freight cordless/driver 19.2v drill, for
> $29.99 during their sales. Sold my cordless Porter Cable 14.4v last
> year together with all my woodworking's tools. I need a cordless
> drill/driver for a small job. To my surprise this China-made tool is
> solid but crude not as nice, smooth or beautiful compares with Porter
> Cable. I returned the next day and bought an additional battery
> ($19.99) and two year warranties ($10). I figure if it failed in two
> years I still got my money worth of an investment of $65.
>
> The charger is a simple 24V DC. No "memory" or "program" compares
> with Porter Cable. Just a simple 24V DC charger. On further
> examination of the battery, it has 14 Ni-Cad 1.2V 1300 mAH cells.
> Comparable Sanyo's cell cost more than $5 per cell. Harbor Freight
> replacement battery cost $19.99. Would you not consider it as selling
> below cost or "give away"?
Because the charger is a bare-bones model, do NOT let the battery sit in the
charger longer than the recommendation - if I recall, it's five hours.
You CAN open up the charger and put a 30-ohm resister in series with the
positive lead to permit leaving the battery in the charger indefinitely.
Doing so will increase the charge time, so be aware of the trade-off.