Opinions wanted, I have an opportunity to buy a gently used Grizzly 6"
jointer from a fellow woodturner (retired oral surgeon) locally, he's a
amature woodturner, anyway he said it's been hardly used (if he remembers
correctly it's about 6 years old ) and would get back to me on a price, I
saw it but didn't get a good look,(it was in the corner of his garage) it
looked in nice shape, just minor surface rust and would probably clean up
nicely, about how much of a price should I expect to pay? I'm gonna go back
over there and talk some more to him, he in the mean time was going to ask
some fellow woodworkers on how much to charge me (ball park figure I
uess )....I"m gonna try it out on some wood and see how she does in real
time situation. I"m gonna get some model numbers etc on my return trip
(hopefully today ) TIA
Tina
In article <[email protected]>, Stephen M
<[email protected]> wrote:
> My dad got a jointer form giz with a warped fence.
What is a jointer form giz?
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Stephen M wrote:
>
> I don't think that you fix them.
>
...
> If I were to buy a second-hand jointer, I would bring a good quality
> straightedge, and I would want to see it endge joint 2 pieces of stock and
> see them mate perfectly. I would also tst it with the fence in more than one
> position.
...
But that can be attributed to many things other than the tables
themselves and there are some problems w/ tables that are fixable as
well (simply sagging gibs, for one example). It's not a simple problem
to evaluate.
The safe solution is, however, as you note, to simply walk away if it's
not a simple fix unless the price is such you can spend the cost of a
new one to have potential serious defects fixed--in which case you might
as well have go the new one to begin with.
I did the former w/ an old Rockwell/Delta 8", but a friend at a machine
shop w/ a large surface grinder had assured me beforehand that he could
flatten the tables for a maximum of no more than $600--even w/ that
outlay in sight I could still save a significant fraction so I went
ahead. Afterwards, the friend said if he'd have imagined how badly out
and how long it would have taken, he'd have never done it...but, I still
have the jointer 20+ years later and it is as good as the day it left
his shop.
(Turns out, I later found out the thing was put together from reject
castings and a mishmash of three or more old machines salvaged from
several junked ones so the tables didn't match the base at all when
starting...)
"BillyBob" <[email protected]> wrote in message
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>
> "Tina" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> news:IvHIe.645$ah4.614@lakeread05...
> > Opinions wanted, I have an opportunity to buy a gently used Grizzly 6"
> > jointer from a fellow woodturner
>
> Match it to closest equivalent Grizzley sold today and offer 30-50% of
> retail price. No matter how "like new" it is, it still has no warranty.
>
> Bob
>
>
Thanks Bob didn't think about the warrenty thingy...big DUH on my
end....thanks!
Tina
thanks for the interesting replies...gives me some stuff to think about and
do when I make my final decision
I"ll check out the fence and table for flatness, warp and whatnot and do
some jointing on wood etc.
Tina
<[email protected]> wrote in message
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> I am letting go of several machines and one is a grizzly 6 inch jointer.
I
> have only sharpened the blades once and it is 3 years old. I bought it
> onsale at $325 and sold it for $175 and the person who got it is thrilled.
> I have several machines and I have asked between 50% to 75% based on age
and
> the use I have on them. This has seemed fair.
>
> Eric
> "Tina" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> news:IvHIe.645$ah4.614@lakeread05...
> > Opinions wanted, I have an opportunity to buy a gently used Grizzly 6"
> > jointer from a fellow woodturner (retired oral surgeon) locally, he's a
> > amature woodturner, anyway he said it's been hardly used (if he
remembers
> > correctly it's about 6 years old ) and would get back to me on a price,
I
> > saw it but didn't get a good look,(it was in the corner of his garage)
it
> > looked in nice shape, just minor surface rust and would probably clean
up
> > nicely, about how much of a price should I expect to pay? I'm gonna go
> > back
> > over there and talk some more to him, he in the mean time was going to
ask
> > some fellow woodworkers on how much to charge me (ball park figure I
> > uess )....I"m gonna try it out on some wood and see how she does in
real
> > time situation. I"m gonna get some model numbers etc on my return trip
> > (hopefully today ) TIA
> >
> > Tina
> >
> >
>
>
Personally, I'm not sure that the warranty would make or break the deal for
me. The larger the tool, the more likely you can replace/fix the tool
without just buying a new one for the same price. For example, if you buy
the jointer and the motor dies next week, you can relatively cheaply buy a
new motor, pop it in, and you're off and running again. The smaller the
tool, the less likely it is you can do that. Buy a cordless drill from
someone, if the battery dies next week, you're better off just buying a new
drill (w/battery) because it will be cheaper than fixing it.
The fact that it's setup already, and you can try to negotiate some help on
either moving it, setting it up, or using it would be points in it's favor.
Plus, the older it is, probably the better it's made. :)
If someone offered me 30% of a tool that's in good shape, and working fine,
I think I'd be pretty insulted. I'd try to get them to give the first
offer, but I don't think I'd balk at even 60% of retail, especially if you
can still get parts from Grizzly. But that's just my personal opinion.
Clint
"Tina" <[email protected]> wrote in message
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>
> "BillyBob" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> news:c%[email protected]...
>>
>> "Tina" <[email protected]> wrote in message
>> news:IvHIe.645$ah4.614@lakeread05...
>> > Opinions wanted, I have an opportunity to buy a gently used Grizzly 6"
>> > jointer from a fellow woodturner
>>
>> Match it to closest equivalent Grizzley sold today and offer 30-50% of
>> retail price. No matter how "like new" it is, it still has no warranty.
>>
>> Bob
>>
>>
> Thanks Bob didn't think about the warrenty thingy...big DUH on my
> end....thanks!
>
> Tina
>
>
"Tina" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:IvHIe.645$ah4.614@lakeread05...
> Opinions wanted, I have an opportunity to buy a gently used Grizzly 6"
> jointer from a fellow woodturner
Match it to closest equivalent Grizzley sold today and offer 30-50% of
retail price. No matter how "like new" it is, it still has no warranty.
Bob
I don't think that you fix them.
My dad got a jointer form giz with a warped fence. They replaced it. It's
not so much an issue of protecting the buyer from something that will break
as protection from the (real) possibility of a bad casting. IMHO the
warantee/support is really for infancy problems and to support initial
setup.
If I were to buy a second-hand jointer, I would bring a good quality
straightedge, and I would want to see it endge joint 2 pieces of stock and
see them mate perfectly. I would also tst it with the fence in more than one
position.
The fact is that if tables are not flat, you're screwed, and is the ways
need shimming, you're in for pile of work.
The point is that you cant just fire it up, bless it because it runs and
assume that you will tune it when you get home.
-Steve
"Clint" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:JPOIe.182982$tt5.105262@edtnps90...
> Personally, I'm not sure that the warranty would make or break the deal
for
> me. The larger the tool, the more likely you can replace/fix the tool
> without just buying a new one for the same price. For example, if you buy
> the jointer and the motor dies next week, you can relatively cheaply buy a
> new motor, pop it in, and you're off and running again. The smaller the
> tool, the less likely it is you can do that. Buy a cordless drill from
> someone, if the battery dies next week, you're better off just buying a
new
> drill (w/battery) because it will be cheaper than fixing it.
>
> The fact that it's setup already, and you can try to negotiate some help
on
> either moving it, setting it up, or using it would be points in it's
favor.
> Plus, the older it is, probably the better it's made. :)
>
> If someone offered me 30% of a tool that's in good shape, and working
fine,
> I think I'd be pretty insulted. I'd try to get them to give the first
> offer, but I don't think I'd balk at even 60% of retail, especially if you
> can still get parts from Grizzly. But that's just my personal opinion.
>
> Clint
>
> "Tina" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> news:4JJIe.648$ah4.85@lakeread05...
> >
> > "BillyBob" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> > news:c%[email protected]...
> >>
> >> "Tina" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> >> news:IvHIe.645$ah4.614@lakeread05...
> >> > Opinions wanted, I have an opportunity to buy a gently used Grizzly
6"
> >> > jointer from a fellow woodturner
> >>
> >> Match it to closest equivalent Grizzley sold today and offer 30-50% of
> >> retail price. No matter how "like new" it is, it still has no
warranty.
> >>
> >> Bob
> >>
> >>
> > Thanks Bob didn't think about the warrenty thingy...big DUH on my
> > end....thanks!
> >
> > Tina
> >
> >
>
>
"Dave Balderstone" <dave@N_O_T_T_H_I_S.balderstone.ca> wrote in message
news:050820051528279473%dave@N_O_T_T_H_I_S.balderstone.ca...
> In article <[email protected]>, Stephen M
> <[email protected]> wrote:
>
> > My dad got a jointer form giz with a warped fence.
>
> What is a jointer form giz?
Yes. it was purchased new from griz.
Duane,
I think you supported my point. I new 6" entry level jointer is about $400
new. This puts a used one at a fair market value of around $200. I don't see
enough margin in that transaction to make carting things off to a machine
shop financially viable. The equation changes a bit you are looking at
lifetime major iron.
In your case you already had a buddy in the business. I think that makes
you a special case.
I say, test the machine and if it can't edge joint properly with out more
than a table height adjustment, walk away.
-Steve
>
> But that can be attributed to many things other than the tables
> themselves and there are some problems w/ tables that are fixable as
> well (simply sagging gibs, for one example). It's not a simple problem
> to evaluate.
>
> The safe solution is, however, as you note, to simply walk away if it's
> not a simple fix unless the price is such you can spend the cost of a
> new one to have potential serious defects fixed--in which case you might
> as well have go the new one to begin with.
>
> I did the former w/ an old Rockwell/Delta 8", but a friend at a machine
> shop w/ a large surface grinder had assured me beforehand that he could
> flatten the tables for a maximum of no more than $600--even w/ that
> outlay in sight I could still save a significant fraction so I went
> ahead. Afterwards, the friend said if he'd have imagined how badly out
> and how long it would have taken, he'd have never done it...but, I still
> have the jointer 20+ years later and it is as good as the day it left
> his shop.
>
> (Turns out, I later found out the thing was put together from reject
> castings and a mishmash of three or more old machines salvaged from
> several junked ones so the tables didn't match the base at all when
> starting...)
Yes, it was purchased new from griz and they did take care of him.
Let me add that my dad was not a really sphosticated customer. He did not
know that his fence was bad for a couple of months. I suspect that there
are others out there that could have a machine sitting in their garage that
they sell because they don't use because it never really perrformed all that
well.
-Steve
> > My dad got a jointer form giz with a warped fence.
>
> What is a jointer form giz?
I am letting go of several machines and one is a grizzly 6 inch jointer. I
have only sharpened the blades once and it is 3 years old. I bought it
onsale at $325 and sold it for $175 and the person who got it is thrilled.
I have several machines and I have asked between 50% to 75% based on age and
the use I have on them. This has seemed fair.
Eric
"Tina" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:IvHIe.645$ah4.614@lakeread05...
> Opinions wanted, I have an opportunity to buy a gently used Grizzly 6"
> jointer from a fellow woodturner (retired oral surgeon) locally, he's a
> amature woodturner, anyway he said it's been hardly used (if he remembers
> correctly it's about 6 years old ) and would get back to me on a price, I
> saw it but didn't get a good look,(it was in the corner of his garage) it
> looked in nice shape, just minor surface rust and would probably clean up
> nicely, about how much of a price should I expect to pay? I'm gonna go
> back
> over there and talk some more to him, he in the mean time was going to ask
> some fellow woodworkers on how much to charge me (ball park figure I
> uess )....I"m gonna try it out on some wood and see how she does in real
> time situation. I"m gonna get some model numbers etc on my return trip
> (hopefully today ) TIA
>
> Tina
>
>