First, I'm bouncing around an idea about a regional woodworkers' book,
something of a combined style book, and area travelogue. It's
unformed, or at least largely unformed, at the moment. I know pretty
much where I want to go with it, but I've got some map studies to do,
and then I'll need to check out the local mountain folk for ideas. My
area, central Virginia, will be the axle for the wheel, but the wheel
will NOT go east. Sorry, but I don't like cities any more. So we're
starting with a flat tire, on one side, but a decent arch on the
other, working up in Tennessee and maybe into my father's state,
Kentucky, back down in the Carolinas and not too far west, Arkansas
possibly, while sticking to the high ground. We might rise into the
Nemahalen Highlands of Pennsy, too.
At this point I don't give a damn if the woodworkers featured are pros
or amateurs. All that's essential is excellence, but please don't
equate ornateness with excellence...think Shaker as well as fancy 18th
century secretaries. Think luthiery, too. Guitars and fiddles and you
name it if you can pluck it or scrape a bow across it. Do you do any
of that, or do you know someone who does? Please let me know.
Keep in mind that this book could go belly-up at any time at this
point. It's just an idea being researched, with tentative interest
shown by a publisher. If it does go, in today's economy it could still
go belly-up at any time. And if you supply information, please don't
be impatient. From contract signing to book release can be a period of
18 months, often longer. Add in early research and you can bet on
longer.
Finally, just on the off chance I've lost or misplaced or otherwise
screwed up addresses from those who sent me photos and information
about their shops for the new Creating Your Own Woodshop, please pass
'em along again: charlies @ charlieselfonline. You can also use the
gmail address on this, if it's visible.
The woodshop book is due out the end of March, maybe a week or so
earlier, and I want to be able to get off the free copies ASAP after
that.
I've seen an advance copy, and, I must say, it turned out decently.
Probably most of the thanks go to David Thiel and the crew at Popular
Woodworking books. He pulled at it until I provided enough info--or
all I had. I got some marvelous photos from people who were using
their own cameras and skill, which I appreciate a great deal.
"LD" <[email protected]> wrote
>
> Certainly on the properties of materials. I've heard that structural
> problems exist in pretty much everything he built. Nice to look at, but as
> you say, I wouldn't want to live in any of them
Frank Lloyd Wright was a great visionary and ARTIST As for building
practical and livable houses/structures, not so much. To be fair, he often
built beyond the materials and technology of the times. But some things
were just unforgivable, like not putting rebar into the concrete.
But his buildings were purty.
On Feb 9, 7:38 pm, -MIKE- <[email protected]> wrote:
> Seems to me that letting the engineer worry about those things frees one
> up, creatively.
Yeah, but... those guys want you to actually have a plan and then
stick to it. Intolerable.
-Kevin
On Feb 10, 5:37=A0pm, "Russ Stanton" <[email protected]> wrote:
> Charlie
>
> Do a web search for Greenville Woodworkers Guild in Greenville SC. We hav=
e a
> number of excellent craftsmen.
>
> Also look up the Folk Art Center on the Blue Ridge Parkway near Asheville=
NC
> and the web site for the Carolina Mountain Woodturners.
>
> Russ"Charlie Self" <[email protected]> wrote in message
>
> news:[email protected]...
> On Feb 10, 4:27 pm, B A R R Y <[email protected]> wrote:
>
> > Charlie Self wrote:
>
> > > I think I do better if it's bought through some place like Barnes &
> > > Noble, Books-A-Million, etc., rather than through a club.
>
> > Does that include Amazon?
>
> I believe so. Essentially, any more or less standard retail bookstore,
> which Amazon has become, even with its discounts. Book clubs pay me
> less, because they pay the publisher less. Of course, you'd pay less,
> too.
>
> But back to the current subject: what might you guys like to see in a
> book on Appalachian woodworkers? The variety is astonishing, but some
> is quite primitive,though dough bowls and treenware can be useful and
> decorative as well.
>
> Hey, I just found out that some of the basket weavers making
> "Appalachian" baskets are in Haiti. I wonder if they use U.S. ash,
> oak, willow, etc.? My wife's uncle will be glad to hear that. He's
> been doing baskets--and chair seats--for most of his 80+ years.
>
> For those who may not know, check the site for Ferrum College, in
> Ferrum, VA. Franklin County is still mainly rural--it's also known as
> Virginia's Moonshine Capitol--and the Folk Life Festival at Ferrum, in
> October, is a great experience. My knees have made me miss it for the
> past five years, but if I don't get my replacements this year, I'll
> use a Rascal to get around. It's only 45 or so miles from here.
> Craftspeople at work, from splitting shakes with a froe and mallet to
> gouging out dough bowls from tulip poplar or other woods, to making
> baskets and a host of other activities. The food is pret' good, too,
> but you begin to founder, or at least I do, after a day of barbecue
> and funnel cakes.
Thanks, Russ. I'll check them out. Asheville is fairly close, too.
On Feb 9, 11:34=A0am, Charlie Self <[email protected]> wrote:
> First, I'm bouncing around an idea about a regional woodworkers' book,
> something of a combined style book, and area travelogue. It's
> unformed, or at least largely unformed, at the moment. I know pretty
> much where I want to go with it, but I've got some map studies to do,
> and then I'll need to check out the local mountain folk for ideas. My
> area, central Virginia, will be the axle for the wheel, but the wheel
> will NOT go east. Sorry, but I don't like cities any more. So we're
> starting with a flat tire, on one side, but a decent arch on the
> other, working up in Tennessee and maybe into my father's state,
> Kentucky, back down in the Carolinas and not too far west, Arkansas
> possibly, while sticking to the high ground. We might rise into the
> Nemahalen Highlands of Pennsy, too.
>
> At this point I don't give a damn if the woodworkers featured are pros
> or amateurs. All that's essential is excellence, but please don't
> equate ornateness with excellence...think Shaker as well as fancy 18th
> century secretaries. Think luthiery, too. Guitars and fiddles and you
> name it if you can pluck it or scrape a bow across it. Do you do any
> of that, or do you know someone who does? =A0Please let me know.
>
> Keep in mind that this book could go belly-up at any time at this
> point. It's just an idea being researched, with tentative interest
> shown by a publisher. If it does go, in today's economy it could still
> go belly-up at any time. And if you supply information, please don't
> be impatient. From contract signing to book release can be a period of
> 18 months, often longer. Add in early research and you can bet on
> longer.
>
> Finally, just on the off chance I've lost or misplaced or otherwise
> screwed up addresses from those who sent me photos and information
> about their shops for the new Creating Your Own Woodshop, please pass
> 'em along again: charlies @ charlieselfonline. You can also use the
> gmail address on this, if it's visible.
>
> The woodshop book is due out the end of March, maybe a week or so
> earlier, and I want to be able to get off the free copies ASAP after
> that.
>
> I've seen an advance copy, and, I must say, it turned out decently.
> Probably most of the thanks go to David Thiel and the crew at Popular
> Woodworking books. He pulled at it until I provided enough info--or
> all I had. I got some marvelous photos from people who were using
> their own cameras and skill, which I appreciate a great deal.
That's Nemacolan Highlands, and I'm still not sure it's spelled right.
Lovely area though, where Frank Lloyd Wright built Falling Water and
Kentuck. Interesting buildings, but not ones I'd care to live in.
On Feb 9, 3:32=A0pm, Nova <[email protected]> wrote:
> Charlie Self wrote:
>
> <snip>
>
> > The woodshop book is due out the end of March, maybe a week or so
> > earlier, and I want to be able to get off the free copies ASAP after
> > that.
>
> > I've seen an advance copy, and, I must say, it turned out decently.
> > Probably most of the thanks go to David Thiel and the crew at Popular
> > Woodworking books. He pulled at it until I provided enough info--or
> > all I had. I got some marvelous photos from people who were using
> > their own cameras and skill, which I appreciate a great deal.
>
> Hi Charlie,
>
> I look forward to reading your latest book.
>
> Is there any advantage to you as to where the book is purchased?
>
> --
> Jack Novak
> Buffalo, NY - USA
> [email protected]
Jack,
I think I do better if it's bought through some place like Barnes &
Noble, Books-A-Million, etc., rather than through a club.
A quick addenda to my earlier post. I'll be glad to discuss the new
book idea by email with anyone with ideas of his or her own, even if
they're not up for being in the book.
On Feb 10, 4:27=A0pm, B A R R Y <[email protected]> wrote:
> Charlie Self wrote:
>
> > I think I do better if it's bought through some place like Barnes &
> > Noble, Books-A-Million, etc., rather than through a club.
>
> Does that include Amazon?
I believe so. Essentially, any more or less standard retail bookstore,
which Amazon has become, even with its discounts. Book clubs pay me
less, because they pay the publisher less. Of course, you'd pay less,
too.
But back to the current subject: what might you guys like to see in a
book on Appalachian woodworkers? The variety is astonishing, but some
is quite primitive,though dough bowls and treenware can be useful and
decorative as well.
Hey, I just found out that some of the basket weavers making
"Appalachian" baskets are in Haiti. I wonder if they use U.S. ash,
oak, willow, etc.? My wife's uncle will be glad to hear that. He's
been doing baskets--and chair seats--for most of his 80+ years.
For those who may not know, check the site for Ferrum College, in
Ferrum, VA. Franklin County is still mainly rural--it's also known as
Virginia's Moonshine Capitol--and the Folk Life Festival at Ferrum, in
October, is a great experience. My knees have made me miss it for the
past five years, but if I don't get my replacements this year, I'll
use a Rascal to get around. It's only 45 or so miles from here.
Craftspeople at work, from splitting shakes with a froe and mallet to
gouging out dough bowls from tulip poplar or other woods, to making
baskets and a host of other activities. The food is pret' good, too,
but you begin to founder, or at least I do, after a day of barbecue
and funnel cakes.
"Charlie Self" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:3e4f87d8-72a1-48e7-bebb-9cf0cb3a2e60@g38g2000yqd.googlegroups.com...
On Feb 9, 11:34 am, Charlie Self <[email protected]> wrote:
snip
That's Nemacolan Highlands, and I'm still not sure it's spelled right.
Lovely area though, where Frank Lloyd Wright built Falling Water and
Kentuck. Interesting buildings, but not ones I'd care to live in.
-------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
The original owner of Falling Water called it Rising Mildew. Then there were
the structural problems ...
I'll look forward to both books!
Charlie Self wrote:
> First, I'm bouncing around an idea about a regional woodworkers' book,
> something of a combined style book, and area travelogue. It's
> unformed, or at least largely unformed, at the moment. I know pretty
> much where I want to go with it, but I've got some map studies to do,
> and then I'll need to check out the local mountain folk for ideas. My
> area, central Virginia, will be the axle for the wheel, but the wheel
> will NOT go east. Sorry, but I don't like cities any more. So we're
> starting with a flat tire, on one side, but a decent arch on the
> other, working up in Tennessee and maybe into my father's state,
> Kentucky, back down in the Carolinas and not too far west, Arkansas
> possibly, while sticking to the high ground. We might rise into the
> Nemahalen Highlands of Pennsy, too.
>
> At this point I don't give a damn if the woodworkers featured are pros
> or amateurs. All that's essential is excellence, but please don't
> equate ornateness with excellence...think Shaker as well as fancy 18th
> century secretaries. Think luthiery, too. Guitars and fiddles and you
> name it if you can pluck it or scrape a bow across it. Do you do any
> of that, or do you know someone who does? Please let me know.
>
> Keep in mind that this book could go belly-up at any time at this
> point. It's just an idea being researched, with tentative interest
> shown by a publisher. If it does go, in today's economy it could still
> go belly-up at any time. And if you supply information, please don't
> be impatient. From contract signing to book release can be a period of
> 18 months, often longer. Add in early research and you can bet on
> longer.
>
> Finally, just on the off chance I've lost or misplaced or otherwise
> screwed up addresses from those who sent me photos and information
> about their shops for the new Creating Your Own Woodshop, please pass
> 'em along again: charlies @ charlieselfonline. You can also use the
> gmail address on this, if it's visible.
>
> The woodshop book is due out the end of March, maybe a week or so
> earlier, and I want to be able to get off the free copies ASAP after
> that.
>
> I've seen an advance copy, and, I must say, it turned out decently.
> Probably most of the thanks go to David Thiel and the crew at Popular
> Woodworking books. He pulled at it until I provided enough info--or
> all I had. I got some marvelous photos from people who were using
> their own cameras and skill, which I appreciate a great deal.
>
Forgot to say that the Carolina Mountain Woodturners meet at the Folk Art
Center. We usually have over 100 members at each meeting. They have their
own web site so you can do a search for them.
Russ
"Charlie Self" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:1c64c164-03c5-425e-91a9-5b2f0a373c5c@o36g2000yqh.googlegroups.com...
On Feb 10, 5:37 pm, "Russ Stanton" <[email protected]> wrote:
> Charlie
>
> Do a web search for Greenville Woodworkers Guild in Greenville SC. We have
> a
> number of excellent craftsmen.
>
> Also look up the Folk Art Center on the Blue Ridge Parkway near Asheville
> NC
> and the web site for the Carolina Mountain Woodturners.
>
> Russ"Charlie Self" <[email protected]> wrote in message
>
> news:[email protected]...
> On Feb 10, 4:27 pm, B A R R Y <[email protected]> wrote:
>
> > Charlie Self wrote:
>
> > > I think I do better if it's bought through some place like Barnes &
> > > Noble, Books-A-Million, etc., rather than through a club.
>
> > Does that include Amazon?
>
> I believe so. Essentially, any more or less standard retail bookstore,
> which Amazon has become, even with its discounts. Book clubs pay me
> less, because they pay the publisher less. Of course, you'd pay less,
> too.
>
> But back to the current subject: what might you guys like to see in a
> book on Appalachian woodworkers? The variety is astonishing, but some
> is quite primitive,though dough bowls and treenware can be useful and
> decorative as well.
>
> Hey, I just found out that some of the basket weavers making
> "Appalachian" baskets are in Haiti. I wonder if they use U.S. ash,
> oak, willow, etc.? My wife's uncle will be glad to hear that. He's
> been doing baskets--and chair seats--for most of his 80+ years.
>
> For those who may not know, check the site for Ferrum College, in
> Ferrum, VA. Franklin County is still mainly rural--it's also known as
> Virginia's Moonshine Capitol--and the Folk Life Festival at Ferrum, in
> October, is a great experience. My knees have made me miss it for the
> past five years, but if I don't get my replacements this year, I'll
> use a Rascal to get around. It's only 45 or so miles from here.
> Craftspeople at work, from splitting shakes with a froe and mallet to
> gouging out dough bowls from tulip poplar or other woods, to making
> baskets and a host of other activities. The food is pret' good, too,
> but you begin to founder, or at least I do, after a day of barbecue
> and funnel cakes.
Thanks, Russ. I'll check them out. Asheville is fairly close, too.
"Charlie Self" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:fb22920b-1039-41e0-90b1-fc713956998d@x10g2000yqk.googlegroups.com...
On Feb 9, 3:13 pm, "LD" <[email protected]> wrote:
> "Charlie Self" <[email protected]> wrote in message
>
> news:3e4f87d8-72a1-48e7-bebb-9cf0cb3a2e60@g38g2000yqd.googlegroups.com...
> On Feb 9, 11:34 am, Charlie Self <[email protected]> wrote:
> snip
>
> That's Nemacolan Highlands, and I'm still not sure it's spelled right.
> Lovely area though, where Frank Lloyd Wright built Falling Water and
> Kentuck. Interesting buildings, but not ones I'd care to live in.
> -------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
>
> The original owner of Falling Water called it Rising Mildew. Then there
> were
> the structural problems ...
Yeah. I was there about six or seven years ago. They were in the midst
of extensive rebuilding, from a new roof to much else. I looked at
the windows, and figured the place would be lovely scene for growing
icicles on one's nose during winter. Not only single pane, but steel
framed set directly into the concrete.
Looks great, though, which was the point. I much preferred the house
on Kentuck Knob, but still wouldn't have cared to live in it.
Start with the fact the Wright was what one guide called "height
challenged" and someone my size is going to feel oppressed, at best.
Ceilings and lintels are low, kitchens are tiny, closet space is
almost non-existent and on.
I understand the structural problems came from the fact that his
schooling as an architect might charitably be called incomplete.
-------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Certainly on the properties of materials. I've heard that structural
problems exist in pretty much everything he built. Nice to look at, but as
you say, I wouldn't want to live in any of them
On Feb 9, 3:13=A0pm, "LD" <[email protected]> wrote:
> "Charlie Self" <[email protected]> wrote in message
>
> news:3e4f87d8-72a1-48e7-bebb-9cf0cb3a2e60@g38g2000yqd.googlegroups.com...
> On Feb 9, 11:34 am, Charlie Self <[email protected]> wrote:
> snip
>
> That's Nemacolan Highlands, and I'm still not sure it's spelled right.
> Lovely area though, where Frank Lloyd Wright built Falling Water and
> Kentuck. Interesting buildings, but not ones I'd care to live in.
> -------------------------------------------------------------------------=
------------
>
> The original owner of Falling Water called it Rising Mildew. Then there w=
ere
> the structural problems ...
Yeah. I was there about six or seven years ago. They were in the midst
of extensive rebuilding, from a new roof to much else. I looked at
the windows, and figured the place would be lovely scene for growing
icicles on one's nose during winter. Not only single pane, but steel
framed set directly into the concrete.
Looks great, though, which was the point. I much preferred the house
on Kentuck Knob, but still wouldn't have cared to live in it.
Start with the fact the Wright was what one guide called "height
challenged" and someone my size is going to feel oppressed, at best.
Ceilings and lintels are low, kitchens are tiny, closet space is
almost non-existent and on.
I understand the structural problems came from the fact that his
schooling as an architect might charitably be called incomplete.
Charlie
Do a web search for Greenville Woodworkers Guild in Greenville SC. We have a
number of excellent craftsmen.
Also look up the Folk Art Center on the Blue Ridge Parkway near Asheville NC
and the web site for the Carolina Mountain Woodturners.
Russ
"Charlie Self" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
On Feb 10, 4:27 pm, B A R R Y <[email protected]> wrote:
> Charlie Self wrote:
>
> > I think I do better if it's bought through some place like Barnes &
> > Noble, Books-A-Million, etc., rather than through a club.
>
> Does that include Amazon?
I believe so. Essentially, any more or less standard retail bookstore,
which Amazon has become, even with its discounts. Book clubs pay me
less, because they pay the publisher less. Of course, you'd pay less,
too.
But back to the current subject: what might you guys like to see in a
book on Appalachian woodworkers? The variety is astonishing, but some
is quite primitive,though dough bowls and treenware can be useful and
decorative as well.
Hey, I just found out that some of the basket weavers making
"Appalachian" baskets are in Haiti. I wonder if they use U.S. ash,
oak, willow, etc.? My wife's uncle will be glad to hear that. He's
been doing baskets--and chair seats--for most of his 80+ years.
For those who may not know, check the site for Ferrum College, in
Ferrum, VA. Franklin County is still mainly rural--it's also known as
Virginia's Moonshine Capitol--and the Folk Life Festival at Ferrum, in
October, is a great experience. My knees have made me miss it for the
past five years, but if I don't get my replacements this year, I'll
use a Rascal to get around. It's only 45 or so miles from here.
Craftspeople at work, from splitting shakes with a froe and mallet to
gouging out dough bowls from tulip poplar or other woods, to making
baskets and a host of other activities. The food is pret' good, too,
but you begin to founder, or at least I do, after a day of barbecue
and funnel cakes.
Lee Michaels wrote:
> "LD" <[email protected]> wrote
>> Certainly on the properties of materials. I've heard that structural
>> problems exist in pretty much everything he built. Nice to look at, but as
>> you say, I wouldn't want to live in any of them
>
> Frank Lloyd Wright was a great visionary and ARTIST As for building
> practical and livable houses/structures, not so much. To be fair, he often
> built beyond the materials and technology of the times. But some things
> were just unforgivable, like not putting rebar into the concrete.
>
> But his buildings were purty.
>
A great architect will let his structural engineer do his job and trust
him.
If one wants to be an engineer, be an engineer, not an artist.
Seems to me that letting the engineer worry about those things frees one
up, creatively.
--
-MIKE-
"Playing is not something I do at night, it's my function in life"
--Elvin Jones (1927-2004)
--
http://mikedrums.com
[email protected]
---remove "DOT" ^^^^ to reply
On Mon, 9 Feb 2009 08:34:13 -0800 (PST), Charlie Self
<[email protected]> wrote:
>First, I'm bouncing around an idea about a regional woodworkers' book,
>something of a combined style book, and area travelogue. It's
>unformed, or at least largely unformed, at the moment. I know pretty
>much where I want to go with it, but I've got some map studies to do,
>and then I'll need to check out the local mountain folk for ideas. My
>area, central Virginia, will be the axle for the wheel, but the wheel
>will NOT go east. Sorry, but I don't like cities any more. So we're
>starting with a flat tire, on one side, but a decent arch on the
>other, working up in Tennessee and maybe into my father's state,
>Kentucky, back down in the Carolinas and not too far west, Arkansas
>possibly, while sticking to the high ground. We might rise into the
>Nemahalen Highlands of Pennsy, too.
If you happpen through Southern Illinois, there is Whipple Creek
Guitars in Pomona area. Of course this is along the wine trail.
Mark
(sixoneeight) = 618
"Charlie Self" wrote
> On Feb 9, 3:13 pm, "LD" wrote:
>> "Charlie Self" wrote in message
>> That's Nemacolan Highlands, and I'm still not sure it's spelled right.
>> Lovely area though, where Frank Lloyd Wright built Falling Water and
>> Kentuck. Interesting buildings, but not ones I'd care to live in.
>> -------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
>>
>> The original owner of Falling Water called it Rising Mildew. Then there
>> were
>> the structural problems ...
> I understand the structural problems came from the fact that his
> schooling as an architect might charitably be called incomplete.
With the addition of the absent preposition, it is aptly named.
--
www.e-woodshop.net
Last update: 10/22/08
KarlC@ (the obvious)
Charlie Self wrote:
<snip>
> The woodshop book is due out the end of March, maybe a week or so
> earlier, and I want to be able to get off the free copies ASAP after
> that.
>
> I've seen an advance copy, and, I must say, it turned out decently.
> Probably most of the thanks go to David Thiel and the crew at Popular
> Woodworking books. He pulled at it until I provided enough info--or
> all I had. I got some marvelous photos from people who were using
> their own cameras and skill, which I appreciate a great deal.
>
Hi Charlie,
I look forward to reading your latest book.
Is there any advantage to you as to where the book is purchased?
--
Jack Novak
Buffalo, NY - USA
[email protected]
"-MIKE-" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> Lee Michaels wrote:
>> "LD" <[email protected]> wrote
>>> Certainly on the properties of materials. I've heard that structural
>>> problems exist in pretty much everything he built. Nice to look at, but
>>> as you say, I wouldn't want to live in any of them
>>
>> Frank Lloyd Wright was a great visionary and ARTIST As for building
>> practical and livable houses/structures, not so much. To be fair, he
>> often built beyond the materials and technology of the times. But some
>> things were just unforgivable, like not putting rebar into the concrete.
>>
>> But his buildings were purty.
>>
>
> A great architect will let his structural engineer do his job and trust
> him.
> If one wants to be an engineer, be an engineer, not an artist.
> Seems to me that letting the engineer worry about those things frees one
> up, creatively.
FLW fought with his engineers.