Work begins today on my new shop, slab is being formed as I
type. 75 tons of #57 was delivered earlier in the week for the base pad.
If the weather cooperates I should have a shiny new slab at the end of the
day.
It will be a combination woodworking/mechanic/metal shop with
the meatal working portion sequestered on one end, 36'X72'.
My requirements were for something relatively inexpensive,
low maintenance and somewhat fire proof- slab on grade, cinderblock walls,
steel trusses on 12' centers and galvalume roof, fits the bill.
Once the blocks are laid all the work will be mine from that point
forward.
I'm building out of pocket and the work will have to stop for a couple of
months after blocks are laid, mostly due to the fact that the college my
eldest daughter goes to suddenly decided that they would no longer accept
tuition payments by the quarter, only in full and upfront, a large expense
I was not expecting.
Pictures when there is something to see.
basilisk
On Thu, 02 Aug 2012 09:38:48 -0500, dpb wrote:
> On 8/2/2012 9:21 AM, basilisk wrote:
>> On Thu, 02 Aug 2012 08:58:24 -0400, Dave wrote:
> ...
>
>>> Dimensions of this shop? And if you're up to it, perhaps some costs of
>>> putting it up along the way? Thanks.
>>
>> 36 ft X 72 ft
>
> Inquiring minds and all that... :)
>
> What's eave height going to be?
Block walls will be 9' 3", however, the trusses I'm going to use will be
higher in the middle and won't be quite so confining. Enough height in
the middle to drive the backhoe through.
>
>> Cost of bare building including slab and wiring will be around 25k, give
>> or take a couple. Lots of things conspire to help keep the cost down,
>
> ...
>
>>
>> Even with all this I could have put up a Quoset type building for
>> somewhat less, but damn those things are ugly.
>
> I've ached for a enclosable-enough machine shed/shop area since returned
> to farm -- the old barn is a little bigger footprint but too short to
> get anything bigger than pickup into and alleyway designed for wagon
> means even the 3/4T is hard to get out of when in...
>
> The old machine shed was fine for the 30's-40's but it's only 24x40 and
> only 10-ft height. I can get the big truck (barely) and the manlift in
> but it's 3/4 full after doing so and it's just a homebuilt pole barn.
>
> It is surely cold in winter and hot in summer to try to have to work on
> equipment... :(
>
> I had thought to put the woodworking shop in the barn loft but it'll
> take putting together a lift of old forklift mast or some such and it's
> still not heatable or even feasible to consider closing it up tight
> enough to try...
Heating isn't a problem in AL, cooling is though, I expect to have some
big ass fans in the end walls.
>
> But, at this age it's hard to bring self to spend the amount req'd when
> not that long a horizon ahead any longer...could have built a Morton or
> similar for the amount put into the old barn restoration but just
> couldn't stand the thought of it going away--it's the last old wood barn
> left in the county that I'm aware of that isn't nearly completely gone
> at best...
I would have been better financialy prepared in a couple more years but
I am old enough to appreciate "if not now when"?
basilisk
"basilisk" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> On Thu, 02 Aug 2012 08:58:24 -0400, Dave wrote:
> Cost of bare building including slab and wiring will be around 25k, give
> or take a couple. Lots of things conspire to help keep the cost down,
The one thing that keeps me from doing something like this, or an oversize
garage/shop is that the additional taxes (which are based on the market
assessment vs. the cost) and utilities would be unpleasant.
For example, a friend of mine built a house by himself with about half out
of pocket. Including the land he had about $150K in it. The tax assessors
decided it was worth $450K based on comps... The guy was working for the
town at the time and his wife was not employed. Getting hit with $16K tax
bills on a $45K salary about killed him... he had to change jobs and
eliminate about everything but food from his life. They are virtual
prisoners in their home between the taxes, mortgage and utilities... his
truck is aging and the RE market is down. Another friend increased the size
of his mud room by about 20 sq feet while replacing the rotted out one and
got totally creamed on his reassessment. His case is a good example of why
people don't get building permits!
While I figured out that I could put up a building myself, with similar help
from my friends, for around $15-18K it looks like the assessment would be
more like $50-60K at a minimum. That would add at least $2K, and likely much
more, to the tax bill each year forever... The last time the area was
reassessed they increased one of my properties by 285%. Yes, two hundred and
eighty five percent! With the help of a realtor friend of mine who pulled
comps for me I successfully documented and fought it. At the same time I
personally knew others who had similar things happen who flat out lost their
appeals because they tried to argue it was "too high" without anything to
back it. Adding additions or new structures to my property opens me up to a
reassessment that could be very difficult to fight... Adding in maintenance
and the additional utilities to make it usable year round makes keeping my
shop within my existing footprint very attractive... and forces me to keep
in clean!
John
On Thu, 2 Aug 2012 11:08:10 -0400, John Grossbohlin wrote:
> "basilisk" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> news:[email protected]...
>> On Thu, 02 Aug 2012 08:58:24 -0400, Dave wrote:
>
>> Cost of bare building including slab and wiring will be around 25k, give
>> or take a couple. Lots of things conspire to help keep the cost down,
>
> The one thing that keeps me from doing something like this, or an oversize
> garage/shop is that the additional taxes (which are based on the market
> assessment vs. the cost) and utilities would be unpleasant.
>
> For example, a friend of mine built a house by himself with about half out
> of pocket. Including the land he had about $150K in it. The tax assessors
> decided it was worth $450K based on comps... The guy was working for the
> town at the time and his wife was not employed. Getting hit with $16K tax
> bills on a $45K salary about killed him... he had to change jobs and
> eliminate about everything but food from his life. They are virtual
> prisoners in their home between the taxes, mortgage and utilities... his
> truck is aging and the RE market is down. Another friend increased the size
> of his mud room by about 20 sq feet while replacing the rotted out one and
> got totally creamed on his reassessment. His case is a good example of why
> people don't get building permits!
>
> While I figured out that I could put up a building myself, with similar help
> from my friends, for around $15-18K it looks like the assessment would be
> more like $50-60K at a minimum. That would add at least $2K, and likely much
> more, to the tax bill each year forever...
Great guns! I don't recall what the assessed value of my property is but
in real dollars of worth to dollars paid in taxes it works out to $2.50
taxes to 1000k in prperty value. Property in AL is usually under assessed
not over assessed.
The last time the area was
> reassessed they increased one of my properties by 285%. Yes, two hundred and
> eighty five percent! With the help of a realtor friend of mine who pulled
> comps for me I successfully documented and fought it. At the same time I
> personally knew others who had similar things happen who flat out lost their
> appeals because they tried to argue it was "too high" without anything to
> back it. Adding additions or new structures to my property opens me up to a
> reassessment that could be very difficult to fight... Adding in maintenance
> and the additional utilities to make it usable year round makes keeping my
> shop within my existing footprint very attractive... and forces me to keep
> in clean!
>
> John
Property taxes are low here, and as the county I'm in has no permitting
structure it may be years before the shop even adds anything to them.
They will add it at the next physical assessment.
Power company doesn't care what you do as long as you pay your bill
and don't do something idiotic to shut their system.
I had the foresight to put a 400 amp service in my house and everything
feeds from there.(albeit at the expense of running heavy cable underground
all over the place)
basilisk
basilisk
On Thu, 2 Aug 2012 14:52:15 -0400, John Grossbohlin wrote:
> "basilisk" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> news:[email protected]...
>
>> Property taxes are low here, and as the county I'm in has no permitting
>> structure it may be years before the shop even adds anything to them.
>> They will add it at the next physical assessment.
>>
>> Power company doesn't care what you do as long as you pay your bill
>> and don't do something idiotic to shut their system.
>> I had the foresight to put a 400 amp service in my house and everything
>> feeds from there.(albeit at the expense of running heavy cable underground
>> all over the place)
>
> Clearly a different world... I'd need another meter here for such a detached
> structure. The situation is so absurd that I saw a meter on the relatively
> small lighted road-side sign in front of the new Hampton Inn. The meter pan
> was as wide as the end of the supporting base and the whole sign stood maybe
> 4-5 feet tall. Apparently running a wire from the building wasn't allowed.
> With the installation infra-structure, monthly service charges and minimum
> fees involved that is a very expensive little sign!
>
> I've got a lot of friends paying $12-20K per year in property and school
> taxes and one is running $30K. That last one has been on the market, due to
> a divorce, for a couple years now and the price cut from $2.6 million down
> to $695K.... the taxes drive people away.
>
> I understand that another friend's home is the highest taxed residence in
> the town... Willem Defoe's "Rubber House" is down the street from him
> http://realestalker.blogspot.com/2008/06/willem-dafoes-rubber-house.html. I
> assume Defoe's sold by now but maybe not... BTW the description of the area
> and of Woodstock on the blog is much full of BS... but the photos of the
> house are pretty good. ;~)
>
> Mind you, these people aren't particularly rich, they happened to end up in
> houses that happened to end up with high assessments as the area grew in
> desirability post 9/11 and the RE market ran out of control. Location and
> size killed them...
>
This would be hard on me, I'd be pissed 6 months before property taxes
became due and 6 months after I paid them. :)
I am personally glad I live in a low tax, low interference area, but it
would not be for a lot of people, also low service, low assistance, and
anything wanted or needed requires a good drive.
basilisk
"basilisk" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> On Thu, 2 Aug 2012 14:52:15 -0400, John Grossbohlin wrote:
>
>> Mind you, these people aren't particularly rich, they happened to end up
>> in
>> houses that happened to end up with high assessments as the area grew in
>> desirability post 9/11 and the RE market ran out of control. Location and
>> size killed them...
>>
> This would be hard on me, I'd be pissed 6 months before property taxes
> became due and 6 months after I paid them. :)
That about describes the situation for the many that "needed" that bigger
house... It was fine when everyone had a job and assumed that real estate
was a sure bet and they'd be able to sell for a profit at retirement time. I
was much more conservative... I couldn't see anything tangible to justify
the housing market or the stock market. When I saw near idiots that were
marginally employeed getting "liar mortgages" and moving into big houses my
thoughts were confirmed that there was no tangible reason for the market
levels... I spent my money on tools!
John
Steve Barker <[email protected]> wrote in
news:[email protected]:
> On 8/2/2012 7:52 AM, basilisk wrote:
>> Work begins today on my new shop, slab is being formed as I
>> type. 75 tons of #57 was delivered earlier in the week for the base
>> pad. If the weather cooperates I should have a shiny new slab at the
>> end of the day.
>>
>> It will be a combination woodworking/mechanic/metal shop with
>> the meatal working portion sequestered on one end, 36'X72'.
>>
>> My requirements were for something relatively inexpensive,
>> low maintenance and somewhat fire proof- slab on grade, cinderblock
>> walls, steel trusses on 12' centers and galvalume roof, fits the
>> bill.
>>
>> Once the blocks are laid all the work will be mine from that point
>> forward.
>>
>> I'm building out of pocket and the work will have to stop for a
>> couple of months after blocks are laid, mostly due to the fact that
>> the college my eldest daughter goes to suddenly decided that they
>> would no longer accept tuition payments by the quarter, only in full
>> and upfront, a large expense I was not expecting.
>>
>> Pictures when there is something to see.
>>
>> basilisk
>>
>
>
> you gonna pex up the floor for radiant heat? Well worth it!
>
>
>
I'll second that! I love the infloor heat in the garshop. It's
especially nice if you need to open the big door for some reason. The
temperature drops some, but recovers quickly.
Do make sure you install air conditioning. A building that size is just
too big to be unlivable for 4 months of the year. (If you're in AL, that
might be 6.) I don't have AC in the garshop, and haven't been able to do
a serious woodworking project in almost 3 months.
Puckdropper
--
Make it to fit, don't make it fit.
On Thu, 2 Aug 2012 07:52:23 -0500, basilisk <[email protected]>
>Work begins today on my new shop, slab is being formed as I
>type. 75 tons of #57 was delivered earlier in the week for the base pad.
Dimensions of this shop? And if you're up to it, perhaps some costs of
putting it up along the way? Thanks.
On Thursday, August 2, 2012 8:08:10 AM UTC-7, John Grossbohlin wrote:
> "basilisk" <[email protected]> wrote in message news:dyibcnh2me5m$.no2=
[email protected]... > On Thu, 02 Aug 2012 08:58:24 -0400, Dave wro=
te: > Cost of bare building including slab and wiring will be around 25k, g=
ive > or take a couple. Lots of things conspire to help keep the cost down,=
The one thing that keeps me from doing something like this, or an oversize=
garage/shop is that the additional taxes (which are based on the market as=
sessment vs. the cost) and utilities would be unpleasant. For example, a fr=
iend of mine built a house by himself with about half out of pocket. Includ=
ing the land he had about $150K in it. The tax assessors decided it was wor=
th $450K based on comps... The guy was working for the town at the time and=
his wife was not employed. Getting hit with $16K tax bills on a $45K salar=
y about killed him... he had to change jobs and eliminate about everything =
but food from his life. They are virtual prisoners in their home between th=
e taxes, mortgage and utilities... his truck is aging and the RE market is =
down. Another friend increased the size of his mud room by about 20 sq feet=
while replacing the rotted out one and got totally creamed on his reassess=
ment. His case is a good example of why people don't get building permits! =
While I figured out that I could put up a building myself, with similar hel=
p from my friends, for around $15-18K it looks like the assessment would be=
more like $50-60K at a minimum. That would add at least $2K, and likely mu=
ch more, to the tax bill each year forever... The last time the area was re=
assessed they increased one of my properties by 285%. Yes, two hundred and =
eighty five percent! With the help of a realtor friend of mine who pulled c=
omps for me I successfully documented and fought it. At the same time I per=
sonally knew others who had similar things happen who flat out lost their a=
ppeals because they tried to argue it was "too high" without anything to ba=
ck it. Adding additions or new structures to my property opens me up to a r=
eassessment that could be very difficult to fight... Adding in maintenance =
and the additional utilities to make it usable year round makes keeping my =
shop within my existing footprint very attractive... and forces me to keep =
in clean! John
Hey, they didn't build that on their own. They need to pay back the gov't f=
or all the roads and briges and the teachers that help them make it to wher=
e they are. It's only faor that the half of the population that is paying t=
axes pays more if they have any success from their hard work so those who a=
ren't paying taxes can still get all of their freebies.
"SonomaProducts.com" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
>Hey, they didn't build that on their own. They need to pay back the gov't
>for all the roads and briges and the >teachers that help them make it to
>where they are. It's only fair that the half of the population that is
>paying taxes >pays more if they have any success from their hard work so
>those who aren't paying taxes can still get all of their >freebies.
Yup... as long as the part of the population that votes for a living grows
at a faster rate than the part of the population that works for a living the
problems will continue and will get worse. We clearly haven't learned from
the failures in Europe....
On 8/2/2012 7:52 AM, basilisk wrote:
> Work begins today on my new shop, slab is being formed as I
> type. 75 tons of #57 was delivered earlier in the week for the base pad.
> If the weather cooperates I should have a shiny new slab at the end of the
> day.
>
> It will be a combination woodworking/mechanic/metal shop with
> the meatal working portion sequestered on one end, 36'X72'.
>
> My requirements were for something relatively inexpensive,
> low maintenance and somewhat fire proof- slab on grade, cinderblock walls,
> steel trusses on 12' centers and galvalume roof, fits the bill.
>
> Once the blocks are laid all the work will be mine from that point
> forward.
>
> I'm building out of pocket and the work will have to stop for a couple of
> months after blocks are laid, mostly due to the fact that the college my
> eldest daughter goes to suddenly decided that they would no longer accept
> tuition payments by the quarter, only in full and upfront, a large expense
> I was not expecting.
>
> Pictures when there is something to see.
>
> basilisk
>
you gonna pex up the floor for radiant heat? Well worth it!
--
Steve Barker
remove the "not" from my address to email
basilisk <[email protected]> writes:
>On Thu, 2 Aug 2012 14:52:15 -0400, John Grossbohlin wrote:
>>
>> Mind you, these people aren't particularly rich, they happened to end up in
>> houses that happened to end up with high assessments as the area grew in
>> desirability post 9/11 and the RE market ran out of control. Location and
>> size killed them...
>>
>This would be hard on me, I'd be pissed 6 months before property taxes
>became due and 6 months after I paid them. :)
One of the nice things about Proposition 13 - it limits increases to 2% year over year
from the base value (assessed when the home was purchased or had an addition done)
(and the 2% is a maximum increase - mine has been adjusted _down_ twice over the last
twenty years during economic slumps).
And the tax rate is slightly over $10 per $1000 assessed value when sewerage and various school
bonds are summed in (call it 1.1%)
The downside is that municipalities and counties have to rely on state funding and
sales taxes for revenue. The upside is retirees can plan for their property taxes
well in advance without unpleasant surprises.
scott
On 8/4/2012 10:52 AM, [email protected] wrote:
>
> Nah, Alabama isn't nearly that bad. Generally mid-June to mid-September it's
> in the 90s, with mid-July to Sept-1 the worst. Yes, we're in the middle of
> the worst. :-( The other nine months, it's beautiful. It's a *lot* better
> than the four good months (July-October) (maybe) we got in Vermont.
>
> I've moved my tools (except drill press, compressor, and DC) to our house in
> Georgia - waiting for the heat to break so I can get a shop set up in the
> 2000+ sq.ft. basement. ;-) It's uninsulated, though (really dumb), so that's
> the first order of business for this Winter. I won't need heat but I'm
> already thinking about AC. There are two 150A service panels in the basement,
> half full, so I should be all set. ;-)
>
Spray insulation.
I did regular insulation in my basement, it doesn't work that well.
Some , but could be better in the winter.
Not sure how much of an advantage that is in the south.
My ground temp is about 56degrees 2 feet down, year round.
So it feels cold in the winter, but comfortable in the summer.
I assume you have a higher ground temp down south.
On Thursday, August 2, 2012 12:39:55 PM UTC-7, John Grossbohlin wrote:
> "SonomaProducts.com" <[email protected]> wrote in message news:7da7769b-7c=
[email protected]... >Hey, they didn't build that =
on their own. They need to pay back the gov't >for all the roads and briges=
and the >teachers that help them make it to >where they are. It's only fai=
r that the half of the population that is >paying taxes >pays more if they =
have any success from their hard work so >those who aren't paying taxes can=
still get all of their >freebies. Yup... as long as the part of the popula=
tion that votes for a living grows at a faster rate than the part of the po=
pulation that works for a living the problems will continue and will get wo=
rse. We clearly haven't learned from the failures in Europe....
We can only hope this November returns us to some adult supervision.
On Sat, 04 Aug 2012 12:01:17 -0400, tiredofspam <nospam.nospam.com> wrote:
>On 8/4/2012 10:52 AM, [email protected] wrote:
>>
>> Nah, Alabama isn't nearly that bad. Generally mid-June to mid-September it's
>> in the 90s, with mid-July to Sept-1 the worst. Yes, we're in the middle of
>> the worst. :-( The other nine months, it's beautiful. It's a *lot* better
>> than the four good months (July-October) (maybe) we got in Vermont.
>>
>> I've moved my tools (except drill press, compressor, and DC) to our house in
>> Georgia - waiting for the heat to break so I can get a shop set up in the
>> 2000+ sq.ft. basement. ;-) It's uninsulated, though (really dumb), so that's
>> the first order of business for this Winter. I won't need heat but I'm
>> already thinking about AC. There are two 150A service panels in the basement,
>> half full, so I should be all set. ;-)
>>
>
>Spray insulation.
Too expensive.
>I did regular insulation in my basement, it doesn't work that well.
>Some , but could be better in the winter.
It's half studded. The only basements here are where the house is built on a
hill, so it's a walk-out. I won't bother insulating the concrete. The "frost
line" is only 6".
>Not sure how much of an advantage that is in the south.
>My ground temp is about 56degrees 2 feet down, year round.
>So it feels cold in the winter, but comfortable in the summer.
In VT the frost line was officially 4' but it wasn't unusual for it to go 6'
and several water mains down 8' burst one Winter. If it's a cold Winter after
a wet fall with no snow cover the frost line can really get down there. My
basement got *cold*.
>I assume you have a higher ground temp down south.
Lots. ;-) Like I said, the official frost line is 6" and I doubt it gets down
that far for more than a week (last Winter, not much more than the grass tip
froze ;).
On Thu, 02 Aug 2012 08:58:24 -0400, Dave wrote:
> On Thu, 2 Aug 2012 07:52:23 -0500, basilisk <[email protected]>
>>Work begins today on my new shop, slab is being formed as I
>>type. 75 tons of #57 was delivered earlier in the week for the base pad.
>
> Dimensions of this shop? And if you're up to it, perhaps some costs of
> putting it up along the way? Thanks.
36 ft X 72 ft
Cost of bare building including slab and wiring will be around 25k, give
or take a couple. Lots of things conspire to help keep the cost down,
for instance, gravel delivered at cost(friend in trucking business),
poly to go under slab was acquired from a rail reloading yard, enough for
5 layers of fiberglass reinforced poly, concrete at $30 under market/ yard
(friend in concrete business), concrete block factory that will sell
direct and only 20 miles away, already been given enough 4/0 entrance
cable for run from nearest power box (150ft)etc, etc.
Even with all this I could have put up a Quoset type building for
somewhat less, but damn those things are ugly.
basilisk
"basilisk" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> Property taxes are low here, and as the county I'm in has no permitting
> structure it may be years before the shop even adds anything to them.
> They will add it at the next physical assessment.
>
> Power company doesn't care what you do as long as you pay your bill
> and don't do something idiotic to shut their system.
> I had the foresight to put a 400 amp service in my house and everything
> feeds from there.(albeit at the expense of running heavy cable underground
> all over the place)
Clearly a different world... I'd need another meter here for such a detached
structure. The situation is so absurd that I saw a meter on the relatively
small lighted road-side sign in front of the new Hampton Inn. The meter pan
was as wide as the end of the supporting base and the whole sign stood maybe
4-5 feet tall. Apparently running a wire from the building wasn't allowed.
With the installation infra-structure, monthly service charges and minimum
fees involved that is a very expensive little sign!
I've got a lot of friends paying $12-20K per year in property and school
taxes and one is running $30K. That last one has been on the market, due to
a divorce, for a couple years now and the price cut from $2.6 million down
to $695K.... the taxes drive people away.
I understand that another friend's home is the highest taxed residence in
the town... Willem Defoe's "Rubber House" is down the street from him
http://realestalker.blogspot.com/2008/06/willem-dafoes-rubber-house.html. I
assume Defoe's sold by now but maybe not... BTW the description of the area
and of Woodstock on the blog is much full of BS... but the photos of the
house are pretty good. ;~)
Mind you, these people aren't particularly rich, they happened to end up in
houses that happened to end up with high assessments as the area grew in
desirability post 9/11 and the RE market ran out of control. Location and
size killed them...
John
On Thu, 02 Aug 2012 17:38:31 -0400, [email protected] wrote:
> On Thu, 2 Aug 2012 11:17:00 -0500, basilisk <[email protected]>
> wrote:
>
>>On Thu, 2 Aug 2012 11:08:10 -0400, John Grossbohlin wrote:
>>
>>> "basilisk" <[email protected]> wrote in message
>>> news:[email protected]...
>>>> On Thu, 02 Aug 2012 08:58:24 -0400, Dave wrote:
>>>
>>>> Cost of bare building including slab and wiring will be around 25k,
>>>> give or take a couple. Lots of things conspire to help keep the cost
>>>> down,
>>>
>>> The one thing that keeps me from doing something like this, or an
>>> oversize garage/shop is that the additional taxes (which are based on
>>> the market assessment vs. the cost) and utilities would be unpleasant.
>>>
>>> For example, a friend of mine built a house by himself with about half
>>> out of pocket. Including the land he had about $150K in it. The tax
>>> assessors decided it was worth $450K based on comps... The guy was
>>> working for the town at the time and his wife was not employed.
>>> Getting hit with $16K tax bills on a $45K salary about killed him...
>>> he had to change jobs and eliminate about everything but food from his
>>> life. They are virtual prisoners in their home between the taxes,
>>> mortgage and utilities... his truck is aging and the RE market is
>>> down. Another friend increased the size of his mud room by about 20 sq
>>> feet while replacing the rotted out one and got totally creamed on his
>>> reassessment. His case is a good example of why people don't get
>>> building permits!
>>>
>>> While I figured out that I could put up a building myself, with
>>> similar help from my friends, for around $15-18K it looks like the
>>> assessment would be more like $50-60K at a minimum. That would add at
>>> least $2K, and likely much more, to the tax bill each year forever...
>>Great guns! I don't recall what the assessed value of my property is but
>>in real dollars of worth to dollars paid in taxes it works out to $2.50
>>taxes to 1000k in prperty value. Property in AL is usually under
>>assessed not over assessed.
>
> $2.50 per million? Alabama has the lowest property taxes in the nation
> but that's ridiculous! ;-)
>
> I assume you mean $2.50 per hundred? Even that sounds high for Alabama.
> The taxes on my Alabama house are closer to $.50 per hundred ($1500 on
> $300000). I haven't gotten the assessment for the GA house yet for some
> reason.
>
> <...>
I meant $2.50 per thousand, with the caveat that part of mine is classed
as timber land and is taxed differently(I think)
basilisk
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On 8/2/2012 7:58 AM, Dave wrote:
> On Thu, 2 Aug 2012 07:52:23 -0500, basilisk<[email protected]>
>> Work begins today on my new shop, slab is being formed as I
>> type. 75 tons of #57 was delivered earlier in the week for the base pad.
>
> Dimensions of this shop? And if you're up to it, perhaps some costs of
> putting it up along the way? Thanks.
Quoting OP...
> ... woodworking/mechanic/metal shop with
> the me[a]tal working portion sequestered on one end, 36'X72'.
I would presume that's overall. Didn't mention height, however...
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On 8/2/2012 9:21 AM, basilisk wrote:
> On Thu, 02 Aug 2012 08:58:24 -0400, Dave wrote:
...
>> Dimensions of this shop? And if you're up to it, perhaps some costs of
>> putting it up along the way? Thanks.
>
> 36 ft X 72 ft
Inquiring minds and all that... :)
What's eave height going to be?
> Cost of bare building including slab and wiring will be around 25k, give
> or take a couple. Lots of things conspire to help keep the cost down,
...
>
> Even with all this I could have put up a Quoset type building for
> somewhat less, but damn those things are ugly.
I've ached for a enclosable-enough machine shed/shop area since returned
to farm -- the old barn is a little bigger footprint but too short to
get anything bigger than pickup into and alleyway designed for wagon
means even the 3/4T is hard to get out of when in...
The old machine shed was fine for the 30's-40's but it's only 24x40 and
only 10-ft height. I can get the big truck (barely) and the manlift in
but it's 3/4 full after doing so and it's just a homebuilt pole barn.
It is surely cold in winter and hot in summer to try to have to work on
equipment... :(
I had thought to put the woodworking shop in the barn loft but it'll
take putting together a lift of old forklift mast or some such and it's
still not heatable or even feasible to consider closing it up tight
enough to try...
But, at this age it's hard to bring self to spend the amount req'd when
not that long a horizon ahead any longer...could have built a Morton or
similar for the amount put into the old barn restoration but just
couldn't stand the thought of it going away--it's the last old wood barn
left in the county that I'm aware of that isn't nearly completely gone
at best...
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On 04 Aug 2012 11:08:46 GMT, Puckdropper <puckdropper(at)yahoo(dot)com> wrote:
>Steve Barker <[email protected]> wrote in
>news:[email protected]:
>
>> On 8/2/2012 7:52 AM, basilisk wrote:
>>> Work begins today on my new shop, slab is being formed as I
>>> type. 75 tons of #57 was delivered earlier in the week for the base
>>> pad. If the weather cooperates I should have a shiny new slab at the
>>> end of the day.
>>>
>>> It will be a combination woodworking/mechanic/metal shop with
>>> the meatal working portion sequestered on one end, 36'X72'.
>>>
>>> My requirements were for something relatively inexpensive,
>>> low maintenance and somewhat fire proof- slab on grade, cinderblock
>>> walls, steel trusses on 12' centers and galvalume roof, fits the
>>> bill.
>>>
>>> Once the blocks are laid all the work will be mine from that point
>>> forward.
>>>
>>> I'm building out of pocket and the work will have to stop for a
>>> couple of months after blocks are laid, mostly due to the fact that
>>> the college my eldest daughter goes to suddenly decided that they
>>> would no longer accept tuition payments by the quarter, only in full
>>> and upfront, a large expense I was not expecting.
>>>
>>> Pictures when there is something to see.
>>>
>>> basilisk
>>>
>>
>>
>> you gonna pex up the floor for radiant heat? Well worth it!
>>
>>
>>
>
>I'll second that! I love the infloor heat in the garshop. It's
>especially nice if you need to open the big door for some reason. The
>temperature drops some, but recovers quickly.
>
>Do make sure you install air conditioning. A building that size is just
>too big to be unlivable for 4 months of the year. (If you're in AL, that
>might be 6.) I don't have AC in the garshop, and haven't been able to do
>a serious woodworking project in almost 3 months.
Nah, Alabama isn't nearly that bad. Generally mid-June to mid-September it's
in the 90s, with mid-July to Sept-1 the worst. Yes, we're in the middle of
the worst. :-( The other nine months, it's beautiful. It's a *lot* better
than the four good months (July-October) (maybe) we got in Vermont.
I've moved my tools (except drill press, compressor, and DC) to our house in
Georgia - waiting for the heat to break so I can get a shop set up in the
2000+ sq.ft. basement. ;-) It's uninsulated, though (really dumb), so that's
the first order of business for this Winter. I won't need heat but I'm
already thinking about AC. There are two 150A service panels in the basement,
half full, so I should be all set. ;-)
On 04 Aug 2012 11:08:46 GMT, Puckdropper wrote:
> Steve Barker <[email protected]> wrote in
> news:[email protected]:
>
>> On 8/2/2012 7:52 AM, basilisk wrote:
>>> Work begins today on my new shop, slab is being formed as I
>>> type. 75 tons of #57 was delivered earlier in the week for the base
>>> pad. If the weather cooperates I should have a shiny new slab at the
>>> end of the day.
>>>
>>> It will be a combination woodworking/mechanic/metal shop with
>>> the meatal working portion sequestered on one end, 36'X72'.
>>>
>>> My requirements were for something relatively inexpensive,
>>> low maintenance and somewhat fire proof- slab on grade, cinderblock
>>> walls, steel trusses on 12' centers and galvalume roof, fits the
>>> bill.
>>>
>>> Once the blocks are laid all the work will be mine from that point
>>> forward.
>>>
>>> I'm building out of pocket and the work will have to stop for a
>>> couple of months after blocks are laid, mostly due to the fact that
>>> the college my eldest daughter goes to suddenly decided that they
>>> would no longer accept tuition payments by the quarter, only in full
>>> and upfront, a large expense I was not expecting.
>>>
>>> Pictures when there is something to see.
>>>
>>> basilisk
>>>
>>
>>
>> you gonna pex up the floor for radiant heat? Well worth it!
>>
>>
>>
>
> I'll second that! I love the infloor heat in the garshop. It's
> especially nice if you need to open the big door for some reason. The
> temperature drops some, but recovers quickly.
>
> Do make sure you install air conditioning. A building that size is just
> too big to be unlivable for 4 months of the year. (If you're in AL, that
> might be 6.) I don't have AC in the garshop, and haven't been able to do
> a serious woodworking project in almost 3 months.
>
> Puckdropper
Wood heat, cheap and readily available when needed, some years we
won't have any days when it doesn't warm up to freezing, when working
(unless gluing) anything over 45f is fine with me.
Will have gable fans to reduced inside temp to ambient, AC would be nice
but that's not going to happen, too expensive to operate in a block
building.
It's all what you are used to anyway, I was thiry five before I ever lived
or worked in air conditioning, and still spend a great deal of time
outside at work and home.
Al heat/humidity + lack of any sort of noticable wind speed, can be
brutal to the unsuspecting, on the other hand I doubt I would survive a
winter in Canada.
basilisk
On Thu, 2 Aug 2012 11:17:00 -0500, basilisk <[email protected]> wrote:
>On Thu, 2 Aug 2012 11:08:10 -0400, John Grossbohlin wrote:
>
>> "basilisk" <[email protected]> wrote in message
>> news:[email protected]...
>>> On Thu, 02 Aug 2012 08:58:24 -0400, Dave wrote:
>>
>>> Cost of bare building including slab and wiring will be around 25k, give
>>> or take a couple. Lots of things conspire to help keep the cost down,
>>
>> The one thing that keeps me from doing something like this, or an oversize
>> garage/shop is that the additional taxes (which are based on the market
>> assessment vs. the cost) and utilities would be unpleasant.
>>
>> For example, a friend of mine built a house by himself with about half out
>> of pocket. Including the land he had about $150K in it. The tax assessors
>> decided it was worth $450K based on comps... The guy was working for the
>> town at the time and his wife was not employed. Getting hit with $16K tax
>> bills on a $45K salary about killed him... he had to change jobs and
>> eliminate about everything but food from his life. They are virtual
>> prisoners in their home between the taxes, mortgage and utilities... his
>> truck is aging and the RE market is down. Another friend increased the size
>> of his mud room by about 20 sq feet while replacing the rotted out one and
>> got totally creamed on his reassessment. His case is a good example of why
>> people don't get building permits!
>>
>> While I figured out that I could put up a building myself, with similar help
>> from my friends, for around $15-18K it looks like the assessment would be
>> more like $50-60K at a minimum. That would add at least $2K, and likely much
>> more, to the tax bill each year forever...
>Great guns! I don't recall what the assessed value of my property is but
>in real dollars of worth to dollars paid in taxes it works out to $2.50
>taxes to 1000k in prperty value. Property in AL is usually under assessed
>not over assessed.
$2.50 per million? Alabama has the lowest property taxes in the nation but
that's ridiculous! ;-)
I assume you mean $2.50 per hundred? Even that sounds high for Alabama. The
taxes on my Alabama house are closer to $.50 per hundred ($1500 on $300000). I
haven't gotten the assessment for the GA house yet for some reason.
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