Very OT - but this stuff is getting rediculous...

"woodchucker" wrote in message
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On 9/28/2013 1:31 PM, dadiOH wrote:
> "Leon" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> news:[email protected]
>> "Mike Marlow" <[email protected]> wrote:
>>> I'd have a problem with a school principal sticking his
>>> nose into my business this way...
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> http://www.infowars.com/seventh-graders-suspended-for-nine-months-for-playing-with-toy-gun-at-home/
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> And, the nosy neighbor as well...
>>>
>>
>>
>> Jeez!
>>
>> IMHO, what I am about to say is my view, I'm sure some
>> one may argue but in another thread I made a comment
>> about why I believe our society in going in the direction
>> it is going in.
>>
>> First of all, political correctness gone over board for
>> sure.
>
> +20
>
>> Second, the parent of the child. The child is the
>> parents property until he gets on the bus and goes to
>> school, then he is the schools property. WRONG, WRONG,
>> WRONG
>
> I think you may be misunderstanding her thoughts. I read it to mean,
> "Butt
> the hell out of my son's and my life unless and until he is on school
> property. Only then do you have any authority."
>
>> IMHO the child is the victim of a society that is more
>> and more causing these type situations to come up.
>> Fifty years ago this behavior by a child would have been
>> acceptable and in most instances expected of a male
>> child..
>
> The whole bloody country is turning into a nation of wusses, worrying
> about
> trivialities.
>
> We have hotshot lawyers fishing for class action suits over almost
> anything.
>
> If some dimwit gets a scratch, they are off to the emergency room, then to
> a
> slip & fall lawyer. They view even the most trivial injury as a pass to
> riches.
>
> I smoke. I don't do so around non-smokers. I resent some piss ant in a
> car
> next to me coming unglued if he/she sees me puffing a cigarette.
>
> Lead is useful.
>
> Asbestos is (was) useful.
>
> Molds (some) are useful. Some are not but they aren't a death warrant.
>
> Exactly when did common sense leave and where did it go?
>
>
This is going to sound sexist and it probably is, but I think when woman
became more powerful in our society this happened. Too man with no
understanding, and a very loud bark, and even a painful bite.

Alot of this is wussy like you say... and that comes from the female
side of things.
==========================================================================================
I agree.

On Mon, 30 Sep 2013 20:37:23 -0400, [email protected] wrote:
>Quite obviously. Just as obvious, I see you as part of the problem.

Better people like me being the problem now than useless miscreants
like you living in your cold war past thinking that if you're
aggressive enough, it will solve any problem.

I can sink to your level though. It would be really gratifying to
bitch slap the sh*t out of you.

"Mike Marlow" <[email protected]> wrote:
> I'd have a problem with a school principal sticking his nose into my
> business this way...
>
>
>
> http://www.infowars.com/seventh-graders-suspended-for-nine-months-for-playing-with-toy-gun-at-home/
>
>
>
> And, the nosy neighbor as well...
>


Jeez!

IMHO, what I am about to say is my view, I'm sure some one may argue but
in another thread I made a comment about why I believe our society in going
in the direction it is going in.

First of all, political correctness gone over board for sure.

Second, the parent of the child. The child is the parents property until
he gets on the bus and goes to school, then he is the schools property.
WRONG, WRONG, WRONG

Third, the child seems to be mature enough to be worried about not being
able to go to college because of this incident.
In so much that the teenager has the fore site to even make that comment,
that comment seems to be more of a reaction of a punishing threat made to
him after the fact. I'm not sure that a teenager that is not concerned
about displaying a toy gun in public, especially with all the news coverage
that has been going around, even has college on the radar.

Yes the student is an immature child but, IMHO, he is making comments that
a more mature person would be making.

IMHO the child is the victim of a society that is more and more causing
these type situations to come up.
Fifty years ago this behavior by a child would have been acceptable and in
most instances expected of a male child..

The parent describing her child as her property and then indicating that
the child becomes the schools property is a clear indicator that the parent
expects some one else, the government, to take responsibility of the child
and his actions. The same parent will probably shit a brick if the child
creates a disturbance in school for the same reason and dispenses
punishment. Because that is a 100% probability the schools can only stay
out of trouble and public scrutiny by issuing a punishment with little to
no effect.

IMHO, if you expect others to be responsible for your child they should
also have the authority to take appropriate measures when your child
misbehaves or causes a disturbance. If you don't believe that those that
have "taken responsibility" of your " property" should hold the child
responsible for his or her actions and issue appropriate discipline to
prevent further problems then you need to realize that "your property" is
your responsibility 100% of the time. You need to be responsible for your
child's actions as much as him or her.

On Thu, 03 Oct 2013 20:25:03 -0400, [email protected] wrote:

>Proving, once again, what a stupid asshole you are. Keep it up. I
>don't think everyone has heard you yet. Don't bother changing your
>nym. Your veneer is to thin to make it work.

I changed my alias to eliminate some of the junk mail you dumb twit.
Not once have I ever made any attempt to deny who I am.

Just so people here know what kind of asshole you really are, doing a
search on Google for [email protected] brings up just *some* of the
conversations you are or have been involved in on the net:

You live to argue and discuss the absurd, ridiculous and the
outlandish. In fact, considering the amount of crap you're involved
in, it appears it's THE ONLY LIFE YOU HAVE.
-------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
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Re: Another gun-totin creepy ass cracker at it again!

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On Thu, 03 Oct 2013 23:03:39 -0400, [email protected] wrote:

>On Thu, 03 Oct 2013 22:43:26 -0400, [email protected] wrote:
>>You do have a LOT of time on your hands. AND you're a violent
>>asshole. Perhaps I should remind you of the laws against assault and
>>stalking? Nah, you're just another fucking blowhard bully who never
>>grew up.
>
>Really? Is that the best you can do? You're just another low class
>flake with no life.

I've got you pretty well nailed. Anyone who resorts to violent
attacks at the drop of a hat has some serious issues. Seek help,
asshole.

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On Sat, 28 Sep 2013 09:09:32 -0500, Leon <[email protected]> wrote:

>"Mike Marlow" <[email protected]> wrote:
>> I'd have a problem with a school principal sticking his nose into my
>> business this way...
>>
>>
>>
>> http://www.infowars.com/seventh-graders-suspended-for-nine-months-for-playing-with-toy-gun-at-home/
>>
>>
>>
>> And, the nosy neighbor as well...
>>
>
>
>Jeez!
>
>IMHO, what I am about to say is my view, I'm sure some one may argue but
>in another thread I made a comment about why I believe our society in going
>in the direction it is going in.
>
>First of all, political correctness gone over board for sure.
>
>Second, the parent of the child. The child is the parents property until
>he gets on the bus and goes to school, then he is the schools property.
>WRONG, WRONG, WRONG
>
>Third, the child seems to be mature enough to be worried about not being
>able to go to college because of this incident.
>In so much that the teenager has the fore site to even make that comment,
>that comment seems to be more of a reaction of a punishing threat made to
>him after the fact. I'm not sure that a teenager that is not concerned
>about displaying a toy gun in public, especially with all the news coverage
>that has been going around, even has college on the radar.
>
>Yes the student is an immature child but, IMHO, he is making comments that
>a more mature person would be making.
>
>IMHO the child is the victim of a society that is more and more causing
>these type situations to come up.
>Fifty years ago this behavior by a child would have been acceptable and in
>most instances expected of a male child..
>
>The parent describing her child as her property and then indicating that
>the child becomes the schools property is a clear indicator that the parent
>expects some one else, the government, to take responsibility of the child
>and his actions. The same parent will probably shit a brick if the child
>creates a disturbance in school for the same reason and dispenses
>punishment. Because that is a 100% probability the schools can only stay
>out of trouble and public scrutiny by issuing a punishment with little to
>no effect.
>
>IMHO, if you expect others to be responsible for your child they should
>also have the authority to take appropriate measures when your child
>misbehaves or causes a disturbance. If you don't believe that those that
>have "taken responsibility" of your " property" should hold the child
>responsible for his or her actions and issue appropriate discipline to
>prevent further problems then you need to realize that "your property" is
>your responsibility 100% of the time. You need to be responsible for your
>child's actions as much as him or her.

First of all, a child is NOT property of anyone but himself.
=============================================================================
Someone should have told my father about that.

On 9/28/2013 8:35 PM, Larry wrote:
> "Mike Marlow" <[email protected]> wrote in
> news:[email protected]:
>
>>
>>
>> I'd have a problem with a school principal sticking his
>> nose into my business this way...
>>
>>
>>
>> http://www.infowars.com/seventh-graders-suspended-for-nine-m
>> onths-for-playing-with-toy-gun-at-home/
>>
>>
>>
>> And, the nosy neighbor as well...
>>
>>
>
> You gotta watch out for infowars.com and make sure you have the
> full story. There was discussion of this on another forum I
> frequent. While I don't agree with the 9 month suspension, he
> broke the law. City code bans the use of BB and pellet guns
> within the city limit.
>
> Again, I don't agree with suspension and am not siding with the
> decision, in fact I vehemently disagree with it and agree with
> most of what has been posted, but the use of such "toys" was
> clearly banned in city code.
>
> Larry
>
An airsoft gun is neither bb or pellet. Its a plastic ball.

--
Jeff

"Mike Marlow" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> [email protected] wrote:
>
> Huh - I must be missing something. I don't get the dodge ball connection
> in this part of the discussion. Did something concerning dodge ball
> happen and completely escape my notice?
>
Yep, that game that we greatly enjoyed in PE as a kid is now considered a
"war game" by nanny state parents and schools. Apparently dodge ball
players become mass murderers or something.

On Saturday, September 28, 2013 8:50:30 PM UTC-4, [email protected] wrote:
> On Sat, 28 Sep 2013 09:34:04 -0700 (PDT), RP <[email protected]> wrote:
>
> >Back when I was a kid we never used knives or guns on people we were pissed off at. We used the time old tradition of beating the shit out of each other and then being best friends afterwards.
>
>
>
> And, that was my world growing up too. Unfortunately, for whatever
>
> reason, it's not that way anymore. There's a lot of advantages in
>
> today's society, but there seems to be just as many problems with it
>
> too. Guess that's the status quo.

I have to assume that you guys were not the ones getting beat up all of the time, just the bullies doing the beating. Well guess what, the victims are starting to arm themselves and Columbine and Sandy Hook are the result....

On Sat, 28 Sep 2013 22:11:32 -0400, "Mike Marlow"
<[email protected]> wrote:

>[email protected] wrote:
>> On Sat, 28 Sep 2013 09:34:04 -0700 (PDT), RP <[email protected]> wrote:
>>> Back when I was a kid we never used knives or guns on people we were
>>> pissed off at. We used the time old tradition of beating the shit
>>> out of each other and then being best friends afterwards.
>>
>> And, that was my world growing up too. Unfortunately, for whatever
>> reason, it's not that way anymore. There's a lot of advantages in
>> today's society, but there seems to be just as many problems with it
>> too. Guess that's the status quo.

What "advantages"?

>Well, I'm not so sure how much I agree Dave. I do agree that our current
>society is subject to irrational and extreme acts by mentally disturbed
>people, gangs, and the like (outside of normal, legal practices), but
>notwithstanding that issue, the general use of guns, safe handling,
>self-control, is very much alive in our current society. Then again, those
>who defy those attributes do seem to be finding their way into notoriety
>more today than they ever have in the past. So - I'm not really sure if I
>disagree, or not...

I don't agree at all. These acts have been going on since there has
been man. The difference is that now we have a press that is just as
blood thirsty as those who watch them. Blood a gore sells. People
are rooting for the lions.

On Sun, 29 Sep 2013 16:19:37 -0400, "dadiOH" <[email protected]>
>There is no doubt that technical things like those - and many others - have
>improved. It's the social and ethical aspects that have changed to the
>detriment of everyone.

Quite possibly. But, I think many would disagree with you. When I was
a kid, like many others, I went through a great degree of hell from
being bullied. Then when I put on some size and weight, I in turn
became a bully for a period. It was a learned behaviour and one which
I fully regret.

There never was any type of program or attempt to eliminate bullying
when I was a kid. Now, at least there's awareness of it and an attempt
to curb much of it. Much can be said for other many other social
actions these days. Sure, these programs may not be working as well as
could be hoped, but that doesn't mean it's a completely wasted effort.

On Sat, 12 Oct 2013 18:13:00 -0700, "CW" <[email protected]> wrote:

>wrote in message news:[email protected]...
>
>On Sat, 28 Sep 2013 09:09:32 -0500, Leon <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>>"Mike Marlow" <[email protected]> wrote:
>>> I'd have a problem with a school principal sticking his nose into my
>>> business this way...
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> http://www.infowars.com/seventh-graders-suspended-for-nine-months-for-playing-with-toy-gun-at-home/
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> And, the nosy neighbor as well...
>>>
>>
>>
>>Jeez!
>>
>>IMHO, what I am about to say is my view, I'm sure some one may argue but
>>in another thread I made a comment about why I believe our society in going
>>in the direction it is going in.
>>
>>First of all, political correctness gone over board for sure.
>>
>>Second, the parent of the child. The child is the parents property until
>>he gets on the bus and goes to school, then he is the schools property.
>>WRONG, WRONG, WRONG
>>
>>Third, the child seems to be mature enough to be worried about not being
>>able to go to college because of this incident.
>>In so much that the teenager has the fore site to even make that comment,
>>that comment seems to be more of a reaction of a punishing threat made to
>>him after the fact. I'm not sure that a teenager that is not concerned
>>about displaying a toy gun in public, especially with all the news coverage
>>that has been going around, even has college on the radar.
>>
>>Yes the student is an immature child but, IMHO, he is making comments that
>>a more mature person would be making.
>>
>>IMHO the child is the victim of a society that is more and more causing
>>these type situations to come up.
>>Fifty years ago this behavior by a child would have been acceptable and in
>>most instances expected of a male child..
>>
>>The parent describing her child as her property and then indicating that
>>the child becomes the schools property is a clear indicator that the parent
>>expects some one else, the government, to take responsibility of the child
>>and his actions. The same parent will probably shit a brick if the child
>>creates a disturbance in school for the same reason and dispenses
>>punishment. Because that is a 100% probability the schools can only stay
>>out of trouble and public scrutiny by issuing a punishment with little to
>>no effect.
>>
>>IMHO, if you expect others to be responsible for your child they should
>>also have the authority to take appropriate measures when your child
>>misbehaves or causes a disturbance. If you don't believe that those that
>>have "taken responsibility" of your " property" should hold the child
>>responsible for his or her actions and issue appropriate discipline to
>>prevent further problems then you need to realize that "your property" is
>>your responsibility 100% of the time. You need to be responsible for your
>>child's actions as much as him or her.
>
>First of all, a child is NOT property of anyone but himself.
>=============================================================================
>Someone should have told my father about that.

Perhaps there is a lesson in here somewhere.

On Sat, 28 Sep 2013 09:09:32 -0500, Leon <[email protected]> wrote:

>"Mike Marlow" <[email protected]> wrote:
>> I'd have a problem with a school principal sticking his nose into my
>> business this way...
>>
>>
>>
>> http://www.infowars.com/seventh-graders-suspended-for-nine-months-for-playing-with-toy-gun-at-home/
>>
>>
>>
>> And, the nosy neighbor as well...
>>
>
>
>Jeez!
>
>IMHO, what I am about to say is my view, I'm sure some one may argue but
>in another thread I made a comment about why I believe our society in going
>in the direction it is going in.
>
>First of all, political correctness gone over board for sure.
>
>Second, the parent of the child. The child is the parents property until
>he gets on the bus and goes to school, then he is the schools property.
>WRONG, WRONG, WRONG
>
>Third, the child seems to be mature enough to be worried about not being
>able to go to college because of this incident.
>In so much that the teenager has the fore site to even make that comment,
>that comment seems to be more of a reaction of a punishing threat made to
>him after the fact. I'm not sure that a teenager that is not concerned
>about displaying a toy gun in public, especially with all the news coverage
>that has been going around, even has college on the radar.
>
>Yes the student is an immature child but, IMHO, he is making comments that
>a more mature person would be making.
>
>IMHO the child is the victim of a society that is more and more causing
>these type situations to come up.
>Fifty years ago this behavior by a child would have been acceptable and in
>most instances expected of a male child..
>
>The parent describing her child as her property and then indicating that
>the child becomes the schools property is a clear indicator that the parent
>expects some one else, the government, to take responsibility of the child
>and his actions. The same parent will probably shit a brick if the child
>creates a disturbance in school for the same reason and dispenses
>punishment. Because that is a 100% probability the schools can only stay
>out of trouble and public scrutiny by issuing a punishment with little to
>no effect.
>
>IMHO, if you expect others to be responsible for your child they should
>also have the authority to take appropriate measures when your child
>misbehaves or causes a disturbance. If you don't believe that those that
>have "taken responsibility" of your " property" should hold the child
>responsible for his or her actions and issue appropriate discipline to
>prevent further problems then you need to realize that "your property" is
>your responsibility 100% of the time. You need to be responsible for your
>child's actions as much as him or her.

First of all, a child is NOT property of anyone but himself. Though
many would have you believe he's the property of the state (as we all
are). Substitute "responsibility" for "property" and perhaps there is
some intelligence in there somewhere.

...but it did make her "uncomfortable". <sheesh!>

On Thu, 03 Oct 2013 22:43:26 -0400, [email protected] wrote:
>You do have a LOT of time on your hands. AND you're a violent
>asshole. Perhaps I should remind you of the laws against assault and
>stalking? Nah, you're just another fucking blowhard bully who never
>grew up.

Really? Is that the best you can do? You're just another low class
flake with no life.

On Thu, 03 Oct 2013 16:49:19 -0400, [email protected] wrote:

>On Thu, 3 Oct 2013 13:27:29 -0700 (PDT), [email protected] wrote:
>>I have to assume that you guys were not the ones getting beat up all
>>of the time just the bullies doing the beating. Well guess what, the
>> victims are starting to arm themselves and Columbine and Sandy
>>Hook are the result....
>
>That really sad thing is, that twits like krw would have everyone
>think that it's just a part of growing up and people should get over
>it. Unfortunately, a number of people never get over it.

Proving, once again, what a stupid asshole you are. Keep it up. I
don't think everyone has heard you yet. Don't bother changing your
nym. Your veneer is to thin to make it work.

On Mon, 30 Sep 2013 01:55:10 +0000 (UTC), Larry Blanchard
<[email protected]> wrote:

>On Sun, 29 Sep 2013 16:19:37 -0400, dadiOH wrote:
>
>> There is no doubt that technical things like those - and many others -
>> have improved. It's the social and ethical aspects that have changed to
>> the detriment of everyone.
>
>If I were black, I think I might disagree with that :-).

Sadly, apparently most blacks do agree with that.

"Leon" wrote in message
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On 9/28/2013 3:52 PM, Mike Marlow wrote:
> RP wrote:
>
>> I don't understand how the principal even thinks for a minute
>> that he has any jurisdiction over that child. I would take that
>> to the school board immediately. That kid shouldn't have to wait
>> until January to have them convene.


First of all I would get the "actual facts" rather than depend on the
media, which usually has an agenda, and find out what really went on. I
think the actual events may have played out differently with perhaps a
lot of what actually went on having been left out of the story to make
it sound more sensational.
======================================================================================
After looking at the site again, I see that this was put out by Alex Jones.
He is very well known in the conspiracy theory crowd. When he first started
his BS, he was on a "Christian" shortwave station (praise the lord and pass
the ammunition). When he first started his schtick, he was not very good at
it and he could be caught in his lies quite easily. Over the past twenty
years, he has gotten much better at it. He is much more creative in twisting
things and keeping up on his lies. He makes a living trying to stir people
up claiming that the government is trying to enslave the people. The U.N. is
going to militarily invade the U.S and send any dissidents to concentration
camps run by F.E.M.A. Don't believe it? Just ask Alex, he'll tell you. Yes,
further research is needed.

On 9/28/2013 3:52 PM, Mike Marlow wrote:
> RP wrote:
>
>> I don't understand how the principal even thinks for a minute
>> that he has any jurisdiction over that child. I would take that
>> to the school board immediately. That kid shouldn't have to wait
>> until January to have them convene.


First of all I would get the "actual facts" rather than depend on the
media, which usually has an agenda, and find out what really went on. I
think the actual events may have played out differently with perhaps a
lot of what actually went on having been left out of the story to make
it sound more sensational.


Then, probably what you mentioned below.

>
> If I were the parents, I sure as hell would not wait. I'd be talking to the
> school board, to the principal, and to the superintendent. I'd explain to
> them my intent to file suit against the school, the prinicpal and the board,
> for lible, for defamation of character, for slander, and for whatever else
> my attorney could come up with. I'd "demand" the principal be held to the
> same type of public disicpline that he extended to my child, that his
> repremand become a matter of his/her professional record, and that he be
> suspended from his/her job for 6 months without pay or benefits.
> Essentially, the very same treatment that the principal subjected this kid
> to. Or - the school can bear the cost of defending against my lawsuits.
>
> This is so out of line, in so many different ways. Schools today seem to
> think they have more authority in the lives of kids than they really do,
> they seem to feel they can impose the agenda and preferences of teachers and
> administrators upon the kids and families, and they seem to think they are
> the voice of right thinking in all matters. Forget that the principal
> grossly misstated the nature of the "offense - (albeit there was no
> offense...), created a stigma for this kid to live with for a while. Why
> don't these overpaid administrators spend their time worrying about how to
> turn out educated kids and not worry about a kid shooting an air gun in his
> own yard in a perfectly safe and approved manner?
>
> As for the bitch neighbor - she'd understand the meaning of the term
> harassment if she ever pulled a stunt like that again.
>

On 9/28/2013 5:02 PM, Keith Nuttle wrote:
> On 9/28/2013 5:15 PM, Leon wrote:
>> Sounds that way a little. :~) I don't think it's necessarily women
>> becoming more powerful, mom's seemed to have a lot of power when they
>> were manning the home front, so much as both women and men forgetting
>> what sexual role they play in life.
>> What used to help guide us morally 50 years ago is out the window today.
>>
>>
>
> What is out about moral principals like
> treat everybody as you would wish to be treated.
> Don't covet the things of your neighbor, unless you are willing to work
> for it.
> Respect those around you.
>
> In the liberal's efforts to remove religion form the world they have
> thrown the baby out with the bath water. And now they can not
> understand why there are large portions of our populations waiting for
> government hand outs while shooting and mugging each other.
>
>


Yeah Buddy!

"Artemus" wrote in message news:[email protected]...


"Mike Marlow" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
>
> I'd have a problem with a school principal sticking his nose into my
> business this way...
> http://www.infowars.com/seventh-graders-suspended-for-nine-months-for-playing-with-toy-gun-at-home/
> And, the nosy neighbor as well...
> --
> -Mike-
> [email protected]
>
IMNSHO justice would be reinstating both kids immediately and suspending
that
principal for 9 months without pay.
Art


This story was posted by Infowars. Founded by Alex Jones, it is a conspiracy
website with a (well deserved) history of making things up, or in this case,
doing a bit of creative editing to stir things up.

"Larry" wrote in message news:[email protected]...

"Mike Marlow" <[email protected]> wrote in
news:[email protected]:

>
>
> I'd have a problem with a school principal sticking his
> nose into my business this way...
>
>
>
> http://www.infowars.com/seventh-graders-suspended-for-nine-m
> onths-for-playing-with-toy-gun-at-home/
>
>
>
> And, the nosy neighbor as well...
>
>

You gotta watch out for infowars.com and make sure you have the
full story. There was discussion of this on another forum I
frequent. While I don't agree with the 9 month suspension, he
broke the law. City code bans the use of BB and pellet guns
within the city limit.

Again, I don't agree with suspension and am not siding with the
decision, in fact I vehemently disagree with it and agree with
most of what has been posted, but the use of such "toys" was
clearly banned in city code.

But airsoft guns are legal. You're right, Infowars can't be trusted. Look up
the real story, there is more to it. The principal was wrong in the charges
though. An airsoft gun does not legally fit the definition of a firearm. The
parents should sue to have that invalidated.

There goes the news group!

In news:[email protected],
Mike Marlow <[email protected]> belched:
> I'd have a problem with a school principal sticking his nose into my
> business this way...
>
>
>
> http://www.infowars.com/seventh-graders-suspended-for-nine-months-for-playing-with-toy-gun-at-home/
>
>
>
> And, the nosy neighbor as well...

I hope they sue the shit out of the school district, but I'm afraid in this
day of obamaland an PCness they would probably lose
Sad, very sad
The slope is getting more slippery everyday
I feel very sad for my grand children and what they will have to live with

On 9/28/2013 12:31 PM, dadiOH wrote:
> "Leon" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> news:[email protected]
>> "Mike Marlow" <[email protected]> wrote:
>>> I'd have a problem with a school principal sticking his
>>> nose into my business this way...
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> http://www.infowars.com/seventh-graders-suspended-for-nine-months-for-playing-with-toy-gun-at-home/
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> And, the nosy neighbor as well...
>>>
>>
>>
>> Jeez!
>>
>> IMHO, what I am about to say is my view, I'm sure some
>> one may argue but in another thread I made a comment
>> about why I believe our society in going in the direction
>> it is going in.
>>
>> First of all, political correctness gone over board for
>> sure.
>
> +20
>
>> Second, the parent of the child. The child is the
>> parents property until he gets on the bus and goes to
>> school, then he is the schools property. WRONG, WRONG,
>> WRONG
>
> I think you may be misunderstanding her thoughts. I read it to mean, "Butt
> the hell out of my son's and my life unless and until he is on school
> property. Only then do you have any authority."

There is a 50/50 chance you are correct. But living in Houston, It
seems to be a common belief that school is a place to baby sit the kids
while both parents are either at work or taking time off from the kids.


A few weeks ago just north of Houston there was a school stabbing that
resulted in 3 injuries and one teenager dieing. An interview with the
parents and relatives indicated that the boy was a good kid that never
got into trouble. Interviews with students indicated otherwise.

Parent were raising hell because the school was having an increase in
violence and not doing anything about it.
Could this be because their hands are tied?

Many of the parents had every right to be out raged and angry. Some of
the parents are probably partially responsible for transferring
ownership and responsibility of their kids to the school.



>
>> IMHO the child is the victim of a society that is more
>> and more causing these type situations to come up.
>> Fifty years ago this behavior by a child would have been
>> acceptable and in most instances expected of a male
>> child..
>
> The whole bloody country is turning into a nation of wusses, worrying about
> trivialities.

> We have hotshot lawyers fishing for class action suits over almost anything.
>
> If some dimwit gets a scratch, they are off to the emergency room, then to a
> slip & fall lawyer. They view even the most trivial injury as a pass to
> riches.

There is a lawyer for every one that does not want to accept
responsibility for getting through life on their own. There is the
attitude that a law suite will cure their problems. There is no longer
any pride.



>
> I smoke. I don't do so around non-smokers. I resent some piss ant in a car
> next to me coming unglued if he/she sees me puffing a cigarette.
>
> Lead is useful.
>
> Asbestos is (was) useful.
>
> Molds (some) are useful. Some are not but they aren't a death warrant.
>
> Exactly when did common sense leave and where did it go?
>
>

"Ed Pawlowski" wrote in message
news:[email protected]...

On Mon, 30 Sep 2013 05:14:14 -0400, [email protected] wrote:

>On Sun, 29 Sep 2013 19:26:24 -0400, [email protected] wrote:
>>I don't consider banning dodge ball as an improvement. They're
>>actually making things worse, if anything.
>
>Your opinion.


But shared by many
==================================
Most.

On 10/23/2013 11:34 PM, CW wrote:
> "Larry" wrote in message news:[email protected]...
>
> "Mike Marlow" <[email protected]> wrote in
> news:[email protected]:
>
>>
>>
>> I'd have a problem with a school principal sticking his
>> nose into my business this way...
>>
>>
>>
>> http://www.infowars.com/seventh-graders-suspended-for-nine-m
>> onths-for-playing-with-toy-gun-at-home/
>>
>>
>>
>> And, the nosy neighbor as well...
>>
>>
>
> You gotta watch out for infowars.com and make sure you have the
> full story. There was discussion of this on another forum I
> frequent. While I don't agree with the 9 month suspension, he
> broke the law. City code bans the use of BB and pellet guns
> within the city limit.
>
> Again, I don't agree with suspension and am not siding with the
> decision, in fact I vehemently disagree with it and agree with
> most of what has been posted, but the use of such "toys" was
> clearly banned in city code.
>
> But airsoft guns are legal. You're right, Infowars can't be trusted.
> Look up the real story, there is more to it. The principal was wrong in
> the charges though. An airsoft gun does not legally fit the definition
> of a firearm. The parents should sue to have that invalidated.


Another tragic happening:

http://www.reuters.com/article/2013/10/24/us-usa-california-shooting-idUSBRE99N02320131024

As far as the Airsoft thing. Another unintended consequence of banning
firearms ... the Japs, unable to own them, are so fixated with making
them as real as possible down to every detail, make them
indistinguishable from the real thing.

Now, some criminals have taken to painting the orange tip (or whatever
the damned color the tips of airsoft stuff is) on real guns to fool police.

Point: damned difficult to blame the police, who want to go home to
their families after work as much as we do, for doing what happened above.

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"Mike Marlow" <[email protected]> wrote in
news:[email protected]:

>
>
> I'd have a problem with a school principal sticking his
> nose into my business this way...
>
>
>
> http://www.infowars.com/seventh-graders-suspended-for-nine-m
> onths-for-playing-with-toy-gun-at-home/
>
>
>
> And, the nosy neighbor as well...
>
>

You gotta watch out for infowars.com and make sure you have the
full story. There was discussion of this on another forum I
frequent. While I don't agree with the 9 month suspension, he
broke the law. City code bans the use of BB and pellet guns
within the city limit.

Again, I don't agree with suspension and am not siding with the
decision, in fact I vehemently disagree with it and agree with
most of what has been posted, but the use of such "toys" was
clearly banned in city code.

Larry

"Mike Marlow" <[email protected]> wrote in
news:[email protected]:

> Larry wrote:
>
>> You gotta watch out for infowars.com and make sure you
>> have the full story. There was discussion of this on
>> another forum I frequent. While I don't agree with the 9
>> month suspension, he broke the law. City code bans the use
>> of BB and pellet guns within the city limit.
>>
>
> So Larry - did anyone in this other forum look into the
> facts about this or did they just blab on about stuff that
> they assumed might apply? Perhaps they do indeed have
> additional information from the link I posted, but it is
> not apparent that is so. Can you shed any light on why
> this other forum decided that the kids did something
> illegal?
>

To the best of my knowledge the following city codes apply.

City Code 38-3, primarily section (d) “ Notwithstanding any
other provisions of this section, it shall be unlawful for any
person to discharge any firearm, spring-propelled rifle or
pistol, from, on, across or within one hundred fifty (150)
yards of any building, dwelling, street, sidewalk, alley,
roadway or public land or public place within the city
limits.”

And

Section (f) “No person shall use a pneumatic gun in the area
of the city described in (a) above except (i) at approved
shooting ranges or (ii) on or within private property with
permission of the owner or legal possessor thereof when
conducted with reasonable care to prevent a projectile from
crossing the bounds of the property. For purposes of this
subsection, "pneumatic gun" means any implement designed as a
gun that will expel a BB or a pellet by action of pneumatic
pressure, including but not limited to paintball guns.
Further, for the purpose of this subsection "reasonable care"
means that the pneumatic gun is discharged in a manner so the
projectile is contained on the property by a backstop, earthen
embankment or fence. The discharge of projectiles across or
over the bounds of the property shall create the rebuttable
presumption that the use of the pneumatic gun was not
conducted with reasonable care and shall constitute a Class 3
misdemeanor. “

When he shot something other than a target it was illegal.

Again, I don't condone the school becoming involved, they are
completely out of their jurisdiction. The subject of the
original post was dead on, it's out of control and has been
for a long time. We're on the same side here I'm just pointing
out what I believe to be facts.

Larry

"Mike Marlow" <[email protected]> wrote in
news:[email protected]:

>
>
> I'd have a problem with a school principal sticking his
> nose into my business this way...
>
>
>
> http://www.infowars.com/seventh-graders-suspended-for-nine-m
> onths-for-playing-with-toy-gun-at-home/
>
>
>
> And, the nosy neighbor as well...
>
>

Here's another one for your viewing pleasure...

http://www.darkgovernment.com/news/12-year-old-suspended-for-
gun-keychain/

Larry

On 29 Sep 2013 00:35:25 GMT, Larry <[email protected]> wrote:
>While I don't agree with the 9 month suspension, he
>broke the law. City code bans the use of BB and pellet guns
>within the city limit.

However, a seventh grader is considered underage. If anyone is
responsible, it's his parents for letting him use such a toy. A kid of
that age, mostly doesn't have the realization that he's breaking some
obscure law.

On Mon, 30 Sep 2013 20:37:23 -0400, [email protected] wrote:

>On Mon, 30 Sep 2013 05:14:14 -0400, [email protected] wrote:
>
>>On Sun, 29 Sep 2013 19:26:24 -0400, [email protected] wrote:
>>>I don't consider banning dodge ball as an improvement. They're
>>>actually making things worse, if anything.
>>
>>Your opinion.
>
>Quite obviously. Just as obvious, I see you as part of the problem.

Played dodge ball in Jr high, had fun. The year after I graduated, my
next door neighbor and friend ended up with a severe concussion from
dodge ball. That was the end of dodge ball mainly because of insurance
requirements.

Mark

On Sun, 29 Sep 2013 15:36:19 -0400, [email protected] wrote:

>On Sun, 29 Sep 2013 12:06:44 -0400, [email protected] wrote:
>>>> And, that was my world growing up too. Unfortunately, for whatever
>>>> reason, it's not that way anymore. There's a lot of advantages in
>>>> today's society, but there seems to be just as many problems with it
>>>> too. Guess that's the status quo.
>>
>>What "advantages"?
>
>You may disagree, but advantages to me include health improvements,
>communications, transportation, many, many areas of technology.

Those are technological/scientific changes, NOT sociological changes.

On Mon, 30 Sep 2013 05:51:02 -0400, [email protected] wrote:

>On Sun, 29 Sep 2013 22:16:16 -0400, [email protected] wrote:
>
>>>> There is no doubt that technical things like those - and many others -
>>>> have improved. It's the social and ethical aspects that have changed to
>>>> the detriment of everyone.
>
>>>If I were black, I think I might disagree with that :-).
>
>>Sadly, apparently most blacks do agree with that.
>
>As usual, your intentional one line replies leave out all the nuances
>and subtleties to the discussion at hand. Society isn't, never has
>been and never will be perfect. That doesn't for one second dismiss
>the fact that there's a greater awareness of the need for societal and
>sociological change. Just the fact that it's being discussed more than
>ever is proof of that.

Yet you think that imperfect people should somehow become perfect.
Utopia, and all...

On Thu, 3 Oct 2013 13:27:29 -0700 (PDT), [email protected] wrote:
>I have to assume that you guys were not the ones getting beat up all
>of the time just the bullies doing the beating. Well guess what, the
> victims are starting to arm themselves and Columbine and Sandy
>Hook are the result....

That really sad thing is, that twits like krw would have everyone
think that it's just a part of growing up and people should get over
it. Unfortunately, a number of people never get over it.

On Sat, 28 Sep 2013 22:14:41 -0400, "Mike Marlow"
>would not surprise me if there is more to the story than what was reported
>in the link I provided, but even if that is the case, it is of no business
>of the school, and they well overstepped their boundaries by suspending the
>kids for activities having nothing at all to do with school.

Well, as you've stated, there may be more to the story than what we've
heard.

For all we know, the kid took the gun/toy/whatever to school on one or
more occasions. Maybe the kid threatened to use it on someone at the
school. Granted, the school might well be overstepping their grounds,
but I do suspect there's a more direct connection to the school than
currently reported. We'll see.

On Sun, 29 Sep 2013 16:31:20 -0400, [email protected] wrote:

>On Sun, 29 Sep 2013 16:19:37 -0400, "dadiOH" <[email protected]>
>>There is no doubt that technical things like those - and many others - have
>>improved. It's the social and ethical aspects that have changed to the
>>detriment of everyone.
>
>Quite possibly. But, I think many would disagree with you. When I was
>a kid, like many others, I went through a great degree of hell from
>being bullied. Then when I put on some size and weight, I in turn
>became a bully for a period. It was a learned behaviour and one which
>I fully regret.

...and you think that has changed?

>There never was any type of program or attempt to eliminate bullying
>when I was a kid. Now, at least there's awareness of it and an attempt
>to curb much of it. Much can be said for other many other social
>actions these days. Sure, these programs may not be working as well as
>could be hoped, but that doesn't mean it's a completely wasted effort.

I don't consider banning dodge ball as an improvement. They're
actually making things worse, if anything.

On Mon, 30 Sep 2013 05:14:14 -0400, [email protected] wrote:

>On Sun, 29 Sep 2013 19:26:24 -0400, [email protected] wrote:
>>I don't consider banning dodge ball as an improvement. They're
>>actually making things worse, if anything.
>
>Your opinion.

Quite obviously. Just as obvious, I see you as part of the problem.

On Saturday, September 28, 2013 7:38:03 AM UTC-4, Mike Marlow wrote:
> I'd have a problem with a school principal sticking his nose into my
>
> business this way...
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> http://www.infowars.com/seventh-graders-suspended-for-nine-months-for-playing-with-toy-gun-at-home/
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> And, the nosy neighbor as well...
>
>
>
>
>
> --
>
>
>
> -Mike-
>
> [email protected]



I don't understand how the principal even thinks for a minute that he has any jurisdiction over that child. I would take that to the school board immediately. That kid shouldn't have to wait until January to have them convene.
This anti-gun stuff is getting ridiculous and Obama and Mario Cuomo are just feeding the fire.
Back when I was a kid we never used knives or guns on people we were pissed off at. We used the time old tradition of beating the shit out of each other and then being best friends afterwards.
Half of the problems of this world is people aren't teaching their children any morals or values. They just spit 'em out and collect the welfare check.

RP

On Thu, 3 Oct 2013 13:27:29 -0700 (PDT), [email protected] wrote:

>On Saturday, September 28, 2013 8:50:30 PM UTC-4, [email protected] wrote:
>> On Sat, 28 Sep 2013 09:34:04 -0700 (PDT), RP <[email protected]> wrote:
>>
>> >Back when I was a kid we never used knives or guns on people we were pissed off at. We used the time old tradition of beating the shit out of each other and then being best friends afterwards.
>>
>>
>>
>> And, that was my world growing up too. Unfortunately, for whatever
>>
>> reason, it's not that way anymore. There's a lot of advantages in
>>
>> today's society, but there seems to be just as many problems with it
>>
>> too. Guess that's the status quo.
>
>I have to assume that you guys were not the ones getting beat up all of the time, just the bullies doing the beating. Well guess what, the victims are starting to arm themselves and Columbine and Sandy Hook are the result....

You know what they say about ASS-U-ME. It certainly fits here.

Absurd. Crazy is as crazy does.

On Mon, 30 Sep 2013 05:40:26 -0400, [email protected] wrote:

>On Sun, 29 Sep 2013 19:26:24 -0400, [email protected] wrote:
>>>Quite possibly. But, I think many would disagree with you. When I was
>>>a kid, like many others, I went through a great degree of hell from
>>>being bullied. Then when I put on some size and weight, I in turn
>>>became a bully for a period. It was a learned behaviour and one which
>>>I fully regret.
>>
>>...and you think that has changed?
>
>It's changed to the point that there's a greater awareness of the need
>for change. That's a good starting point.

Oh my, after five-thousand years society is finally on step-1.

>The important thing is that
>society always needs to develop and change or it becomes stagnant.

Nonsense. Change for change's sake is what ends societies.

>Just because it hasn't changed as nicely or conveniently as you'd like
>to see, doesn't for one second mean that the attempt shouldn't be
>made.

Oh, good grief. Backwards is not forwards, no matter how you want to
spin the newspeak.

>You're deluded and stuck in the past if you think the society you grew
>up in was a perfect without fault.

I sure as hell hope society has a future because surely it refuses to
learn from its past. You are a prime example of exactly what's wrong.

On 9/28/2013 3:57 PM, woodchucker wrote:
> On 9/28/2013 1:31 PM, dadiOH wrote:
>> "Leon" <[email protected]> wrote in message
>> news:[email protected]
>>> "Mike Marlow" <[email protected]> wrote:
>>>> I'd have a problem with a school principal sticking his
>>>> nose into my business this way...
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> http://www.infowars.com/seventh-graders-suspended-for-nine-months-for-playing-with-toy-gun-at-home/
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> And, the nosy neighbor as well...
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Jeez!
>>>
>>> IMHO, what I am about to say is my view, I'm sure some
>>> one may argue but in another thread I made a comment
>>> about why I believe our society in going in the direction
>>> it is going in.
>>>
>>> First of all, political correctness gone over board for
>>> sure.
>>
>> +20
>>
>>> Second, the parent of the child. The child is the
>>> parents property until he gets on the bus and goes to
>>> school, then he is the schools property. WRONG, WRONG,
>>> WRONG
>>
>> I think you may be misunderstanding her thoughts. I read it to mean,
>> "Butt
>> the hell out of my son's and my life unless and until he is on school
>> property. Only then do you have any authority."
>>
>>> IMHO the child is the victim of a society that is more
>>> and more causing these type situations to come up.
>>> Fifty years ago this behavior by a child would have been
>>> acceptable and in most instances expected of a male
>>> child..
>>
>> The whole bloody country is turning into a nation of wusses, worrying
>> about
>> trivialities.
>>
>> We have hotshot lawyers fishing for class action suits over almost
>> anything.
>>
>> If some dimwit gets a scratch, they are off to the emergency room,
>> then to a
>> slip & fall lawyer. They view even the most trivial injury as a pass to
>> riches.
>>
>> I smoke. I don't do so around non-smokers. I resent some piss ant in
>> a car
>> next to me coming unglued if he/she sees me puffing a cigarette.
>>
>> Lead is useful.
>>
>> Asbestos is (was) useful.
>>
>> Molds (some) are useful. Some are not but they aren't a death warrant.
>>
>> Exactly when did common sense leave and where did it go?
>>
>>
> This is going to sound sexist and it probably is, but I think when woman
> became more powerful in our society this happened. Too man with no
> understanding, and a very loud bark, and even a painful bite.

Sounds that way a little. :~) I don't think it's necessarily women
becoming more powerful, mom's seemed to have a lot of power when they
were manning the home front, so much as both women and men forgetting
what sexual role they play in life.
What used to help guide us morally 50 years ago is out the window today.

On Sat, 28 Sep 2013 23:06:56 -0400, "Mike Marlow"
>No Dave - click the link. The kid did not take the gun to school. Nor to
>the bus stop which was some 70 yards away. No such threats were reported or
>even infered in the school's position. The risk is when we begin to allow
>that some things "may" have happened, which were clearly reported to have
>been investigated, and did not. Don't fall into the trap of trying to
>excuse the actions of the school. There is just no such evidence and in
>fact - many/most of these ideas were covered in the link provided.

Yes, I did read it, ALL of it and I know exactly what it said. And,
like I stated, up to this point, we have that one report to go on.
It's very possible that report is completely accurate, but it's just
as possible, in fact just as likely that there's more factual
information to appear in this matter.

As several people have stated and something with which I fully agree,
information reporting agencies have a very great tendency to
sensationalize what they report. Neither of us have any proof to the
contrary. I could be wrong, but I fully expect there's more
information to come forth in this particular incident. Let's just see
what appears.

I do agree with the fact that there appears to be many people and
organizations reacting unreasonably with the gun controversy in
America. But, what do you expect? There appears to be so many random
and unreasonable acts of gun violence, the general public should be
concerned. How can you expect them to act otherwise?

On Sun, 29 Sep 2013 22:16:16 -0400, [email protected] wrote:

>>> There is no doubt that technical things like those - and many others -
>>> have improved. It's the social and ethical aspects that have changed to
>>> the detriment of everyone.

>>If I were black, I think I might disagree with that :-).

>Sadly, apparently most blacks do agree with that.

As usual, your intentional one line replies leave out all the nuances
and subtleties to the discussion at hand. Society isn't, never has
been and never will be perfect. That doesn't for one second dismiss
the fact that there's a greater awareness of the need for societal and
sociological change. Just the fact that it's being discussed more than
ever is proof of that.

On Fri, 04 Oct 2013 00:46:07 -0400, [email protected] wrote:

>On Thu, 03 Oct 2013 23:03:39 -0400, [email protected] wrote:
>I've got you pretty well nailed. Anyone who resorts to violent
>attacks at the drop of a hat has some serious issues. Seek help,
>asshole.

Hmmm, no more names, just facts. I search out your nym and it shows
all your activities in dozens of highly questionable examples. It's
just you I'm attacking and you can't stand it.

"Leon" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]
> "Mike Marlow" <[email protected]> wrote:
> > I'd have a problem with a school principal sticking his
> > nose into my business this way...
> >
> >
> >
> > http://www.infowars.com/seventh-graders-suspended-for-nine-months-for-playing-with-toy-gun-at-home/
> >
> >
> >
> > And, the nosy neighbor as well...
> >
>
>
> Jeez!
>
> IMHO, what I am about to say is my view, I'm sure some
> one may argue but in another thread I made a comment
> about why I believe our society in going in the direction
> it is going in.
>
> First of all, political correctness gone over board for
> sure.

+20

> Second, the parent of the child. The child is the
> parents property until he gets on the bus and goes to
> school, then he is the schools property. WRONG, WRONG,
> WRONG

I think you may be misunderstanding her thoughts. I read it to mean, "Butt
the hell out of my son's and my life unless and until he is on school
property. Only then do you have any authority."

> IMHO the child is the victim of a society that is more
> and more causing these type situations to come up.
> Fifty years ago this behavior by a child would have been
> acceptable and in most instances expected of a male
> child..

The whole bloody country is turning into a nation of wusses, worrying about
trivialities.

We have hotshot lawyers fishing for class action suits over almost anything.

If some dimwit gets a scratch, they are off to the emergency room, then to a
slip & fall lawyer. They view even the most trivial injury as a pass to
riches.

I smoke. I don't do so around non-smokers. I resent some piss ant in a car
next to me coming unglued if he/she sees me puffing a cigarette.

Lead is useful.

Asbestos is (was) useful.

Molds (some) are useful. Some are not but they aren't a death warrant.

Exactly when did common sense leave and where did it go?


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RP wrote:

> I don't understand how the principal even thinks for a minute
> that he has any jurisdiction over that child. I would take that
> to the school board immediately. That kid shouldn't have to wait
> until January to have them convene.

If I were the parents, I sure as hell would not wait. I'd be talking to the
school board, to the principal, and to the superintendent. I'd explain to
them my intent to file suit against the school, the prinicpal and the board,
for lible, for defamation of character, for slander, and for whatever else
my attorney could come up with. I'd "demand" the principal be held to the
same type of public disicpline that he extended to my child, that his
repremand become a matter of his/her professional record, and that he be
suspended from his/her job for 6 months without pay or benefits.
Essentially, the very same treatment that the principal subjected this kid
to. Or - the school can bear the cost of defending against my lawsuits.

This is so out of line, in so many different ways. Schools today seem to
think they have more authority in the lives of kids than they really do,
they seem to feel they can impose the agenda and preferences of teachers and
administrators upon the kids and families, and they seem to think they are
the voice of right thinking in all matters. Forget that the principal
grossly misstated the nature of the "offense - (albeit there was no
offense...), created a stigma for this kid to live with for a while. Why
don't these overpaid administrators spend their time worrying about how to
turn out educated kids and not worry about a kid shooting an air gun in his
own yard in a perfectly safe and approved manner?

As for the bitch neighbor - she'd understand the meaning of the term
harassment if she ever pulled a stunt like that again.

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"Mike Marlow" <[email protected]> wrote in message news:[email protected]...
>
> I'd have a problem with a school principal sticking his nose into my business this way...
> http://www.infowars.com/seventh-graders-suspended-for-nine-months-for-playing-with-toy-gun-at-home/
> And, the nosy neighbor as well...
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> [email protected]
>
IMNSHO justice would be reinstating both kids immediately and suspending that
principal for 9 months without pay.
Art

On 9/28/2013 3:31 PM, [email protected] wrote:
> First of all, a child is NOT property of anyone but himself. Though
> many would have you believe he's the property of the state (as we all
> are). Substitute "responsibility" for "property" and perhaps there is
> some intelligence in there somewhere.
>
> ...but it did make her "uncomfortable". <sheesh!>

I thought my ancestor worked to solve that problem over 150 years ago
when they rode south with the Union Army.

A person belong to no one. If you are a parent YOU are responsible to
your children. The schools are only responsible of keeping order in
school and EDUCATING the children in their class rooms. They can teach
them nutrition but can not enforce nutrition.

"You are the captain of your soul the master of your fate." and as a
parent it is your responsibility to teach your kid the moral frame work
to make intelligent decision so he can take responsibility for his soul
and his fate.


NOT the schools, the local government or the federal government.

On 9/28/2013 5:15 PM, Leon wrote:
> Sounds that way a little. :~) I don't think it's necessarily women
> becoming more powerful, mom's seemed to have a lot of power when they
> were manning the home front, so much as both women and men forgetting
> what sexual role they play in life.
> What used to help guide us morally 50 years ago is out the window today.
>
>

What is out about moral principals like
treat everybody as you would wish to be treated.
Don't covet the things of your neighbor, unless you are willing to work
for it.
Respect those around you.

In the liberal's efforts to remove religion form the world they have
thrown the baby out with the bath water. And now they can not
understand why there are large portions of our populations waiting for
government hand outs while shooting and mugging each other.

Swingman wrote:
> On 9/28/2013 5:02 PM, Keith Nuttle wrote:
>
>> In the liberal's efforts to remove religion form the world they have
>> thrown the baby out with the bath water. And now they can not
>> understand why there are large portions of our populations waiting
>> for government hand outs while shooting and mugging each other.
>
> No problem, a few more laws watering down the Constitution with fix
> things right up, eh?
>
> Arguably, the most important Amendment is the second. With that gone,
> there will be no way to keep the rest, and the 2A is under constant,
> systematic siege by the progressive, crowded, urban rats amongst us,
> conditioned to be anti anything that is outside their small sphere of
> perception.

Worse - it's under attack by the ones that consider themselves to be
"enlightened", and lead by none other than Barack Obama, are gaining
confidence that they can do what they please, justified by the fact that
what they believe is all they need to justify their actions. Hell, be
damned what the law says, or the constitution says, or anyone else may
believe. They have become arrogant and do what they damned well want to do.
Why not - they have the most powerful man in the world as their role model.

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Larry wrote:
> "Mike Marlow" <[email protected]> wrote in
> news:[email protected]:
>
>>
>>
>> I'd have a problem with a school principal sticking his
>> nose into my business this way...
>>
>>
>>
>> http://www.infowars.com/seventh-graders-suspended-for-nine-m
>> onths-for-playing-with-toy-gun-at-home/
>>
>>
>>
>> And, the nosy neighbor as well...
>>
>>
>
> You gotta watch out for infowars.com and make sure you have the
> full story. There was discussion of this on another forum I
> frequent. While I don't agree with the 9 month suspension, he
> broke the law. City code bans the use of BB and pellet guns
> within the city limit.

As reported, it wasn't either. It was an Airsoft gun, and the police did
not take any actions against the youngsters. It appears the kids had
abidded by the city ordinances as relates to properly capturing the
"bullets", etc.


>
> Again, I don't agree with suspension and am not siding with the
> decision, in fact I vehemently disagree with it and agree with
> most of what has been posted, but the use of such "toys" was
> clearly banned in city code.
>

Again - as reported, this is not the case.

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[email protected] wrote:
> On Sat, 28 Sep 2013 09:34:04 -0700 (PDT), RP <[email protected]> wrote:
>> Back when I was a kid we never used knives or guns on people we were
>> pissed off at. We used the time old tradition of beating the shit
>> out of each other and then being best friends afterwards.
>
> And, that was my world growing up too. Unfortunately, for whatever
> reason, it's not that way anymore. There's a lot of advantages in
> today's society, but there seems to be just as many problems with it
> too. Guess that's the status quo.

Well, I'm not so sure how much I agree Dave. I do agree that our current
society is subject to irrational and extreme acts by mentally disturbed
people, gangs, and the like (outside of normal, legal practices), but
notwithstanding that issue, the general use of guns, safe handling,
self-control, is very much alive in our current society. Then again, those
who defy those attributes do seem to be finding their way into notoriety
more today than they ever have in the past. So - I'm not really sure if I
disagree, or not...

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[email protected] wrote:
> On 29 Sep 2013 00:35:25 GMT, Larry <[email protected]> wrote:
>> While I don't agree with the 9 month suspension, he
>> broke the law. City code bans the use of BB and pellet guns
>> within the city limit.
>
> However, a seventh grader is considered underage. If anyone is
> responsible, it's his parents for letting him use such a toy. A kid of
> that age, mostly doesn't have the realization that he's breaking some
> obscure law.

As I replied to Larry - as reported, the "gun" in question was an Airsoft,
and not a BB or a pellet gun. The police that responded to the neighbor's
complaint appear to have found nothing wrong in the boy's activities. It
would not surprise me if there is more to the story than what was reported
in the link I provided, but even if that is the case, it is of no business
of the school, and they well overstepped their boundaries by suspending the
kids for activities having nothing at all to do with school.

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[email protected] wrote:
> On Sat, 28 Sep 2013 22:14:41 -0400, "Mike Marlow"
>> would not surprise me if there is more to the story than what was
>> reported in the link I provided, but even if that is the case, it is
>> of no business of the school, and they well overstepped their
>> boundaries by suspending the kids for activities having nothing at
>> all to do with school.
>
> Well, as you've stated, there may be more to the story than what we've
> heard.
>
> For all we know, the kid took the gun/toy/whatever to school on one or
> more occasions. Maybe the kid threatened to use it on someone at the
> school. Granted, the school might well be overstepping their grounds,
> but I do suspect there's a more direct connection to the school than
> currently reported. We'll see.

No Dave - click the link. The kid did not take the gun to school. Nor to
the bus stop which was some 70 yards away. No such threats were reported or
even infered in the school's position. The risk is when we begin to allow
that some things "may" have happened, which were clearly reported to have
been investigated, and did not. Don't fall into the trap of trying to
excuse the actions of the school. There is just no such evidence and in
fact - many/most of these ideas were covered in the link provided.

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Swingman wrote:
> On 9/28/2013 10:26 PM, Swingman wrote:
>> On 9/28/2013 10:23 PM, Swingman wrote:
>>> On 9/28/2013 6:38 AM, Mike Marlow wrote:
>>>> I'd have a problem with a school principal sticking his nose into
>>>> my business this way...
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> http://www.infowars.com/seventh-graders-suspended-for-nine-months-for-playing-with-toy-gun-at-home/
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> And, the nosy neighbor as well...
>>>
>>>
>>> http://www.techdirt.com/articles/20130924/07335024635/va-school-suspends-students-playing-with-airsoft-guns-their-own-yard.shtml
>>>
>>
>>
>> http://www.techdirt.com/articles/20130926/12151824667/pa-school-being-sued-suspending-7-year-old-student-armed-with-novelty-buzzing-pen.shtml
>
> http://www.techdirt.com/articles/20130914/18121524517/student-arrested-charged-with-terrorizing-shooting-classmates-with-iphone-app.shtml

How about this for all those who stupidly believe that their school/local
officials have "good" reason to act on behalf of... well, who?

http://www.therecord.com/news-story/2598150-man-shocked-by-arrest-after-daughter-draws-picture-of-gun-at-school/


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Larry wrote:

> You gotta watch out for infowars.com and make sure you have the
> full story. There was discussion of this on another forum I
> frequent. While I don't agree with the 9 month suspension, he
> broke the law. City code bans the use of BB and pellet guns
> within the city limit.
>

So Larry - did anyone in this other forum look into the facts about this or
did they just blab on about stuff that they assumed might apply? Perhaps
they do indeed have additional information from the link I posted, but it is
not apparent that is so. Can you shed any light on why this other forum
decided that the kids did something illegal?

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[email protected]

[email protected] wrote:
> On Sat, 28 Sep 2013 23:06:56 -0400, "Mike Marlow"
>> No Dave - click the link. The kid did not take the gun to school.
>> Nor to the bus stop which was some 70 yards away. No such threats
>> were reported or even infered in the school's position. The risk is
>> when we begin to allow that some things "may" have happened, which
>> were clearly reported to have been investigated, and did not. Don't
>> fall into the trap of trying to excuse the actions of the school.
>> There is just no such evidence and in fact - many/most of these
>> ideas were covered in the link provided.
>
> Yes, I did read it, ALL of it and I know exactly what it said. And,
> like I stated, up to this point, we have that one report to go on.
> It's very possible that report is completely accurate, but it's just
> as possible, in fact just as likely that there's more factual
> information to appear in this matter.

I am agreeing with you that one report is far from conclusive.

>
> As several people have stated and something with which I fully agree,
> information reporting agencies have a very great tendency to
> sensationalize what they report. Neither of us have any proof to the
> contrary. I could be wrong, but I fully expect there's more
> information to come forth in this particular incident. Let's just see
> what appears.
>

Again - I agree.


> I do agree with the fact that there appears to be many people and
> organizations reacting unreasonably with the gun controversy in
> America. But, what do you expect? There appears to be so many random
> and unreasonable acts of gun violence, the general public should be
> concerned. How can you expect them to act otherwise?

I guess because I'd like to see more logic applied to problems than knee
jerk emotion.

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[email protected]

Various people wrote:
>>> Back when I was a kid we never used knives or guns on people we were
>>> pissed off at. We used the time old tradition of beating the shit
>>> out of each other and then being best friends afterwards.
>>
>> And, that was my world growing up too. Unfortunately, for whatever
>> reason, it's not that way anymore.

I don't know when you guys were kids, but the murder and violent crime rate has been declining for more than 20 years.



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<[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]
> On Sun, 29 Sep 2013 12:06:44 -0400, [email protected] wrote:
> > > > And, that was my world growing up too.
> > > > Unfortunately, for whatever reason, it's not that
> > > > way anymore. There's a lot of advantages in today's
> > > > society, but there seems to be just as many
> > > > problems with it too. Guess that's the status quo.
> >
> > What "advantages"?
>
> You may disagree, but advantages to me include health
> improvements, communications, transportation, many, many
> areas of technology.

There is no doubt that technical things like those - and many others - have
improved. It's the social and ethical aspects that have changed to the
detriment of everyone.

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On Sun, 29 Sep 2013 16:19:37 -0400, dadiOH wrote:

> There is no doubt that technical things like those - and many others -
> have improved. It's the social and ethical aspects that have changed to
> the detriment of everyone.

If I were black, I think I might disagree with that :-).

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[email protected] wrote:
> On Mon, 30 Sep 2013 06:03:27 -0400, Ed Pawlowski <[email protected]> wrote:
>>> On Sun, 29 Sep 2013 19:26:24 -0400, [email protected] wrote:
>>>> I don't consider banning dodge ball as an improvement. They're
>>>> actually making things worse, if anything.
>>> Your opinion.
>> But shared by many
>
> In a way, I have to agree up to a point. There's a lot of screwed up
> things these days. But, there's also sections of my growing up that I
> remember as terrifying. I hated it ~ right up until I was 14 and
> gained 85 lbs in 11 months. Nobody picked on me after that.
>
> Not all people outgrow the fear, whether it'd bullying *or* dodge
> ball. Yeah, I know what krw is going to say ~ that it's part of
> growing up. Well, there's a hell of a lot of really screwed up people
> out there and I have to wonder if the bullying *or* the dodge ball had
> anything to do with creating those f**ked up people?

Huh - I must be missing something. I don't get the dodge ball connection in
this part of the discussion. Did something concerning dodge ball happen and
completely escape my notice?

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Lee Michaels wrote:
> "Mike Marlow" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> news:[email protected]...
>> [email protected] wrote:
>>
>> Huh - I must be missing something. I don't get the dodge ball
>> connection in this part of the discussion. Did something concerning
>> dodge ball happen and completely escape my notice?
>>

> Yep, that game that we greatly enjoyed in PE as a kid is now
> considered a "war game" by nanny state parents and schools. Apparently
> dodge ball players become mass murderers or something.

Oh geeze... so that's what I have to blame all of my faults on.

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Markem wrote:
> On Mon, 30 Sep 2013 20:37:23 -0400, [email protected] wrote:
>
>> On Mon, 30 Sep 2013 05:14:14 -0400, [email protected] wrote:
>>
>>> On Sun, 29 Sep 2013 19:26:24 -0400, [email protected] wrote:
>>>> I don't consider banning dodge ball as an improvement. They're
>>>> actually making things worse, if anything.
>>>
>>> Your opinion.
>>
>> Quite obviously. Just as obvious, I see you as part of the problem.
>
> Played dodge ball in Jr high, had fun. The year after I graduated, my
> next door neighbor and friend ended up with a severe concussion from
> dodge ball. That was the end of dodge ball mainly because of insurance
> requirements.
>

Really? Just how in the hell does anyone end up with a serious concussion
from playing dodge ball? The balls are small and underinflated. Or did
your neighbor fall on the floor ane hit his head? And that kind of thing
would be a dodge ball problem?

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[email protected] wrote:
> On Mon, 30 Sep 2013 20:37:23 -0400, [email protected] wrote:
>> Quite obviously. Just as obvious, I see you as part of the problem.
>
> Better people like me being the problem now than useless miscreants
> like you living in your cold war past thinking that if you're
> aggressive enough, it will solve any problem.
>
> I can sink to your level though. It would be really gratifying to
> bitch slap the sh*t out of you.

Geezus Dave - you want to give this post a second thought?

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On 10/3/2013 4:49 PM, [email protected] wrote:
> On Thu, 3 Oct 2013 13:27:29 -0700 (PDT), [email protected] wrote:
>> I have to assume that you guys were not the ones getting beat up all
>> of the time just the bullies doing the beating. Well guess what, the
>> victims are starting to arm themselves and Columbine and Sandy
>> Hook are the result....
>
> That really sad thing is, that twits like krw would have everyone
> think that it's just a part of growing up and people should get over
> it. Unfortunately, a number of people never get over it.
>
Mature people, which I must admit there are becoming less and less, do
not need to revert to violence. There are many creative ways to get
around people who stand in your way with out shooting them.

Mature people are willing to talk to other people and not stand and dig
their heels in and say their flawed opinions are the only way something
can be done. They are willing to listen to other ideas and modify what
they have created based on the opinion of others.

[email protected] wrote:
> On Saturday, September 28, 2013 8:50:30 PM UTC-4, [email protected]
> wrote:
>> On Sat, 28 Sep 2013 09:34:04 -0700 (PDT), RP <[email protected]>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Back when I was a kid we never used knives or guns on people we
>>> were pissed off at. We used the time old tradition of beating the
>>> shit out of each other and then being best friends afterwards.
>>
>>
>>
>> And, that was my world growing up too. Unfortunately, for whatever
>>
>> reason, it's not that way anymore. There's a lot of advantages in
>>
>> today's society, but there seems to be just as many problems with it
>>
>> too. Guess that's the status quo.
>
> I have to assume that you guys were not the ones getting beat up all
> of the time, just the bullies doing the beating. Well guess what, the
> victims are starting to arm themselves and Columbine and Sandy Hook
> are the result....

Really? Did you read anything about the perpetrators of these crimes? I
don't recall any history of having been bullied.

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In article <[email protected]>,
Mike Marlow <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>Really? Did you read anything about the perpetrators of these crimes? I
>don't recall any history of having been bullied.

IIRC, the killers at Columbine *were* the bullies.

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Edward A. Falk wrote:
> In article <[email protected]>,
> Mike Marlow <[email protected]> wrote:
>>
>> Really? Did you read anything about the perpetrators of these
>> crimes? I don't recall any history of having been bullied.
>
> IIRC, the killers at Columbine *were* the bullies.

I thought they were some obscure cult of their own - not bullies at all.
Until the end of course...

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[email protected] wrote:
> On Tue, 8 Oct 2013 21:41:42 -0400, "Mike Marlow"
> <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>> Edward A. Falk wrote:
>>> In article <[email protected]>,
>>> Mike Marlow <[email protected]> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> Really? Did you read anything about the perpetrators of these
>>>> crimes? I don't recall any history of having been bullied.
>>>
>>> IIRC, the killers at Columbine *were* the bullies.
>>
>> I thought they were some obscure cult of their own - not bullies at
>> all. Until the end of course...
>
> There are a lot of myths going around about Columbine but in the end,
> they were just crazies.

Quite true. As time goes on, people get further from the reality of an
event and it becomes easier to make claims that don't even relate to the
matter.

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On Sat, 28 Sep 2013 09:34:04 -0700 (PDT), RP <[email protected]> wrote:
>Back when I was a kid we never used knives or guns on people we were pissed off at. We used the time old tradition of beating the shit out of each other and then being best friends afterwards.

And, that was my world growing up too. Unfortunately, for whatever
reason, it's not that way anymore. There's a lot of advantages in
today's society, but there seems to be just as many problems with it
too. Guess that's the status quo.

On Mon, 30 Sep 2013 05:14:14 -0400, [email protected] wrote:

>On Sun, 29 Sep 2013 19:26:24 -0400, [email protected] wrote:
>>I don't consider banning dodge ball as an improvement. They're
>>actually making things worse, if anything.
>
>Your opinion.


But shared by many

On Sun, 29 Sep 2013 19:24:34 -0400, [email protected] wrote:
>>You may disagree, but advantages to me include health improvements,
>>communications, transportation, many, many areas of technology.
>
>Those are technological/scientific changes, NOT sociological changes.

You didn't ask specifically about sociological changes did you?
However, I do see how you conveniently snipped out the next paragraph
where I suggested there was an increased awareness of problems which
is good thing in my books.

There were and are problems that no one was attempting to handle when
I was a kid. Contrary to your personal one sided opinion, many
sociological changes are an improvement and that's my opinion.
Granted, there's a number of refinements that could be done to those
sociological changes, but that doesn't for one second mean that
attempt shouldn't be made.

On Sat, 28 Sep 2013 17:53:12 -0400, Keith Nuttle
<[email protected]> wrote:

>On 9/28/2013 3:31 PM, [email protected] wrote:
>> First of all, a child is NOT property of anyone but himself. Though
>> many would have you believe he's the property of the state (as we all
>> are). Substitute "responsibility" for "property" and perhaps there is
>> some intelligence in there somewhere.
>>
>> ...but it did make her "uncomfortable". <sheesh!>
>
>I thought my ancestor worked to solve that problem over 150 years ago
>when they rode south with the Union Army.

Indeed.

>A person belong to no one. If you are a parent YOU are responsible to
>your children. The schools are only responsible of keeping order in
>school and EDUCATING the children in their class rooms. They can teach
>them nutrition but can not enforce nutrition.

"responsible for". ;-)

No, the schools are responsible for the children when they are in
their care. That is an obligation *to* the children and not in any
way ownership. It seems that too many people have the arrow
backwards.

>"You are the captain of your soul the master of your fate." and as a
>parent it is your responsibility to teach your kid the moral frame work
>to make intelligent decision so he can take responsibility for his soul
>and his fate.

Agreed (but it isn't the schools' job to undo that, either).

> NOT the schools, the local government or the federal government.

You radical, you! ;-)

On Tue, 8 Oct 2013 21:41:42 -0400, "Mike Marlow"
<[email protected]> wrote:

>Edward A. Falk wrote:
>> In article <[email protected]>,
>> Mike Marlow <[email protected]> wrote:
>>>
>>> Really? Did you read anything about the perpetrators of these
>>> crimes? I don't recall any history of having been bullied.
>>
>> IIRC, the killers at Columbine *were* the bullies.
>
>I thought they were some obscure cult of their own - not bullies at all.
>Until the end of course...

There are a lot of myths going around about Columbine but in the end,
they were just crazies.

On 9/28/2013 5:02 PM, Keith Nuttle wrote:

> In the liberal's efforts to remove religion form the world they have
> thrown the baby out with the bath water. And now they can not
> understand why there are large portions of our populations waiting for
> government hand outs while shooting and mugging each other.

No problem, a few more laws watering down the Constitution with fix
things right up, eh?

Arguably, the most important Amendment is the second. With that gone,
there will be no way to keep the rest, and the 2A is under constant,
systematic siege by the progressive, crowded, urban rats amongst us,
conditioned to be anti anything that is outside their small sphere of
perception.

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On 9/28/2013 10:26 PM, Swingman wrote:
> On 9/28/2013 10:23 PM, Swingman wrote:
>> On 9/28/2013 6:38 AM, Mike Marlow wrote:
>>> I'd have a problem with a school principal sticking his nose into my
>>> business this way...
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> http://www.infowars.com/seventh-graders-suspended-for-nine-months-for-playing-with-toy-gun-at-home/
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> And, the nosy neighbor as well...
>>
>>
>> http://www.techdirt.com/articles/20130924/07335024635/va-school-suspends-students-playing-with-airsoft-guns-their-own-yard.shtml
>>
>
>
> http://www.techdirt.com/articles/20130926/12151824667/pa-school-being-sued-suspending-7-year-old-student-armed-with-novelty-buzzing-pen.shtml

http://www.techdirt.com/articles/20130914/18121524517/student-arrested-charged-with-terrorizing-shooting-classmates-with-iphone-app.shtml


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KarlCaillouet@ (the obvious)

On 9/28/2013 10:23 PM, Swingman wrote:
> On 9/28/2013 6:38 AM, Mike Marlow wrote:
>> I'd have a problem with a school principal sticking his nose into my
>> business this way...
>>
>>
>>
>> http://www.infowars.com/seventh-graders-suspended-for-nine-months-for-playing-with-toy-gun-at-home/
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> And, the nosy neighbor as well...
>
>
> http://www.techdirt.com/articles/20130924/07335024635/va-school-suspends-students-playing-with-airsoft-guns-their-own-yard.shtml


http://www.techdirt.com/articles/20130926/12151824667/pa-school-being-sued-suspending-7-year-old-student-armed-with-novelty-buzzing-pen.shtml


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KarlCaillouet@ (the obvious)

On 9/28/2013 6:38 AM, Mike Marlow wrote:
> I'd have a problem with a school principal sticking his nose into my
> business this way...
>
>
>
> http://www.infowars.com/seventh-graders-suspended-for-nine-months-for-playing-with-toy-gun-at-home/
>
>
>
> And, the nosy neighbor as well...


http://www.techdirt.com/articles/20130924/07335024635/va-school-suspends-students-playing-with-airsoft-guns-their-own-yard.shtml


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KarlCaillouet@ (the obvious)

On Thu, 03 Oct 2013 21:52:52 -0400, [email protected] wrote:

>On Thu, 03 Oct 2013 20:25:03 -0400, [email protected] wrote:
>
>>Proving, once again, what a stupid asshole you are. Keep it up. I
>>don't think everyone has heard you yet. Don't bother changing your
>>nym. Your veneer is to thin to make it work.
>
>I changed my alias to eliminate some of the junk mail you dumb twit.
>Not once have I ever made any attempt to deny who I am.

It would be useless. Your anger will shine through in an instant.

>Just so people here know what kind of asshole you really are, doing a
>search on Google for [email protected] brings up just *some* of the
>conversations you are or have been involved in on the net:

Asshole lefties like you are all over the net. I won't shy away from
bullies. I learned that lesson long ago. Hmm, there seems to be an
echo in here.

>You live to argue and discuss the absurd, ridiculous and the
>outlandish. In fact, considering the amount of crap you're involved
>in, it appears it's THE ONLY LIFE YOU HAVE.
>-------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
>Re: Burning down churches with flaring tempers -- Re: Boy Scouts Vote
>To Allow Gays.

I don't like the way you lefties are screwing up the country, no.
There seems to be an echo in here.

>Re: The IRS Scandal.

TYou think it's just peachy for the IRS to enter politics? I guess
that shouldn't surprise me.

>Re: Is Energizer trying to kill the rechargeable battery?

??? OK, is that another lefty plot? You really are a strange bird!

>Re: Homeownershub.com and DIYbanter.com eat dog turds?

I suppose I uncovered that you eat dog turds? Well, it was easy to
guess but it's nice that you admit it. <shrug>

>Re: Another gun-totin creepy ass cracker at it again!

Interesting that you think it should be illegal to possess a firearm,
but, again, it's not surprising.

>Re: OT? Home Depot Is Accused of Shaking Down Suspected Shoplifters.

All big box stores are evil, right? That's the lefty motto. <shrug>

>Re: Nope no voter fraud here.

Of course, you're just fine with voter fraud.

>Re: OT: Poor George Zimmerman.

You don't believe in self-defense, either? No surprise. Lefties are
all the same.

>Re: kids keep kicking their football in to my back garden several
>times a day. What are my rights?

You must think the kids should be punished? I guess, given your
admitted penchant for violence for simply disagreeing with you, you'd
kill a kid for daring to kick a football into your yard.

>Re: Two Faucets in Shower? Still Legal?

You probably think it is. You *are* a control freak. Lefties are.

>Re: Sears Craftsman "Lifetime Guarantee" ?

My, my. You think that's a political issue. How strange! You really
are a sick pup, aren't you?

>Re: More leakers.

I wasn't talking about your incontinence issues, honest!

>Re: Crazy joe, what a blast!

You'll have to refresh my memory. Are you for or again; Crazy Joe?

>Re: OT, Cute Little Blond In The Miss America Pageant.

OK, I'm really curious. Are you for or again' cute little blonds? My
bet is that they threaten you too.

>Re: Navy Yard murders.

Yeah, you do want to help murders. I'd rather stop them. But that's
why you're a lefty loser.

>Re: Refrigerator -- terrible smell!

Sometimes an science experiment gets loose. It's a shame you're so
squeamish that you can't stand it.

>Re: Paint - still with the 'brush strokes' !!

Want to learn how to paint a wall? Read it, if you can take it
without getting violent.

>Re: Central air vs. mini split ?

Wow! Now there is a controversial topic!

>Re: Where's The Home Repair Stuff.

Are you for it or against it? Come on, you can tell us!

>Re: Lisa and the Dirt Pile.

That reminds me... How is your wife?

>Re: Four Year Old'??s Very First Job.

What was it? Not shitting your pants for one day?

>Re: everytime i flish the toilet water squits out of my basin at least
>a foot in the.

Another controversial topic, if I ever heard one. I'm sure it would
raise your blood pressure, though. Be careful.

>Re: THE POPULATION OF MUSLIMS.

Is too large in this country. I'm sure you want one for a pet,
though.

>Re: OT, The Bicycle I'd Want If I Could Ride One.

I'd want a unicycle, if I could ride one. You?

>Re: kitchen fire extinguisher on youtube.

Wow! You're against fire extinguishers, too? Them's fitghtin' words!

>Re: OT Illegal aliens doing home repairs.

What a bigot! You *know* they're undocumented Democrats doing home
repairs.

>Re: Can God see us??

What a stupid question, but you *are* a lefty. It's to be expected.

>Re: OT Welcome to Amerika.

That's certainly how you lefties look at the country.

>Re: Beat a Congressmaggot to Death With Baseball Bats.


Now *that* sounds like a thread you started! It is violent enough.

>Re: "Racist" and "Sexist" terms out when describing homes.

Those are term I would use for Democrats but not so much for homes.

>Re: College football is a joke.

I forgot the punch line. What was it again? You must remember.
Punching people is heavy on your mind.

>Re: Ideas for removing sharp thorns on sidewalk lemon trees.

Well, come on...

>Re: OT: Looking for case about taiinted evidence police tresspassing
>to get evidence... Was: House search by drug dog ruled
>unconstitutional.

>Re: THE MORAL SYSTEM IN ISLAM.
>
>Re: The Ante of Design..... and whoyakidding's delusions....
>
>Re: Turnstile Jumper Who Wanted to Save Two Bucks Ends Up with Seven
>Years in Prison.
>
>Re: Deadliest sniper in US military history is shot and killed
>point-blank at Texas gun range by formerly law-abiding, gun-owning
>veteran suffering from ...
>
>Re: Chicago girl who had performed at President Obama's inaugural -
>gunned down Tuesday afternoon.
>
>Re: OT, Gun Control? In The UK They Have Silverware Control.
>
>Re: Yea, but up until now he was a "law abiding" gun owner...
>
>Re: OT - Who puts nickels on their gun barrels?
>
>Re: Will the world end before 2013?
>
>Re: OT. Live by the sword, die by the sword.
>
>Re: Naked burglar held a gun point.
>
>Re: Al Gore is a smelly sell out to towel heads.
>
>Re: Turn your Wife's Bitchin' into Electricity.
>
>Re: Man blows up house inflating air mattress.
>
>Re: GFCI's work, Chinese light fixtures don't.
>
>Re: Learn About The Religion Of Islam.
>
>Re: OT, Bill Gates: Ctrl + Alt + Delete 'was a mistake'
>
>Re: Got the Twitchy-Tool coping saw replacement.
>
>Re: Red Bull, Tide, and Justin Bieber candy -> the new American street
>currency.
>
>Re: Homeowners, Keep Your Pets Clean.
>
>Re: ((( I GOT BIG BALLS! )))
>

You do have a LOT of time on your hands. AND you're a violent
asshole. Perhaps I should remind you of the laws against assault and
stalking? Nah, you're just another fucking blowhard bully who never
grew up.

What a sad, sad, loser.

On Sun, 29 Sep 2013 19:26:24 -0400, [email protected] wrote:
>>Quite possibly. But, I think many would disagree with you. When I was
>>a kid, like many others, I went through a great degree of hell from
>>being bullied. Then when I put on some size and weight, I in turn
>>became a bully for a period. It was a learned behaviour and one which
>>I fully regret.
>
>...and you think that has changed?

It's changed to the point that there's a greater awareness of the need
for change. That's a good starting point. The important thing is that
society always needs to develop and change or it becomes stagnant.
Just because it hasn't changed as nicely or conveniently as you'd like
to see, doesn't for one second mean that the attempt shouldn't be
made.

You're deluded and stuck in the past if you think the society you grew
up in was a perfect without fault.

On Sun, 29 Sep 2013 12:06:44 -0400, [email protected] wrote:
>>> And, that was my world growing up too. Unfortunately, for whatever
>>> reason, it's not that way anymore. There's a lot of advantages in
>>> today's society, but there seems to be just as many problems with it
>>> too. Guess that's the status quo.
>
>What "advantages"?

You may disagree, but advantages to me include health improvements,
communications, transportation, many, many areas of technology.

On Mon, 30 Sep 2013 20:42:04 -0400, [email protected] wrote:
>I sure as hell hope society has a future because surely it refuses to
>learn from its past. You are a prime example of exactly what's wrong.

And you're a deluded cro magnon twit stuck in some past life thinking
everything was perfect.

You don't have the intelligence to realize that there are and always
were problems that should be addressed.

On Mon, 30 Sep 2013 05:23:04 -0400, [email protected] wrote:

>On Sun, 29 Sep 2013 19:24:34 -0400, [email protected] wrote:
>>>You may disagree, but advantages to me include health improvements,
>>>communications, transportation, many, many areas of technology.
>>
>>Those are technological/scientific changes, NOT sociological changes.
>
>You didn't ask specifically about sociological changes did you?

That *WAS* the subject.

>However, I do see how you conveniently snipped out the next paragraph
>where I suggested there was an increased awareness of problems which
>is good thing in my books.

I didn't snip anything.

>There were and are problems that no one was attempting to handle when
>I was a kid. Contrary to your personal one sided opinion, many
>sociological changes are an improvement and that's my opinion.

You and every "progressive".

>Granted, there's a number of refinements that could be done to those
>sociological changes, but that doesn't for one second mean that
>attempt shouldn't be made.

"Refinements" Wow!

On Sun, 29 Sep 2013 19:26:24 -0400, [email protected] wrote:
>I don't consider banning dodge ball as an improvement. They're
>actually making things worse, if anything.

Your opinion.

On 9/28/2013 1:31 PM, dadiOH wrote:
> "Leon" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> news:[email protected]
>> "Mike Marlow" <[email protected]> wrote:
>>> I'd have a problem with a school principal sticking his
>>> nose into my business this way...
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> http://www.infowars.com/seventh-graders-suspended-for-nine-months-for-playing-with-toy-gun-at-home/
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> And, the nosy neighbor as well...
>>>
>>
>>
>> Jeez!
>>
>> IMHO, what I am about to say is my view, I'm sure some
>> one may argue but in another thread I made a comment
>> about why I believe our society in going in the direction
>> it is going in.
>>
>> First of all, political correctness gone over board for
>> sure.
>
> +20
>
>> Second, the parent of the child. The child is the
>> parents property until he gets on the bus and goes to
>> school, then he is the schools property. WRONG, WRONG,
>> WRONG
>
> I think you may be misunderstanding her thoughts. I read it to mean, "Butt
> the hell out of my son's and my life unless and until he is on school
> property. Only then do you have any authority."
>
>> IMHO the child is the victim of a society that is more
>> and more causing these type situations to come up.
>> Fifty years ago this behavior by a child would have been
>> acceptable and in most instances expected of a male
>> child..
>
> The whole bloody country is turning into a nation of wusses, worrying about
> trivialities.
>
> We have hotshot lawyers fishing for class action suits over almost anything.
>
> If some dimwit gets a scratch, they are off to the emergency room, then to a
> slip & fall lawyer. They view even the most trivial injury as a pass to
> riches.
>
> I smoke. I don't do so around non-smokers. I resent some piss ant in a car
> next to me coming unglued if he/she sees me puffing a cigarette.
>
> Lead is useful.
>
> Asbestos is (was) useful.
>
> Molds (some) are useful. Some are not but they aren't a death warrant.
>
> Exactly when did common sense leave and where did it go?
>
>
This is going to sound sexist and it probably is, but I think when woman
became more powerful in our society this happened. Too man with no
understanding, and a very loud bark, and even a painful bite.

Alot of this is wussy like you say... and that comes from the female
side of things.

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Jeff

On Mon, 30 Sep 2013 06:03:27 -0400, Ed Pawlowski <[email protected]> wrote:
>>On Sun, 29 Sep 2013 19:26:24 -0400, [email protected] wrote:
>>>I don't consider banning dodge ball as an improvement. They're
>>>actually making things worse, if anything.
>>Your opinion.
>But shared by many

In a way, I have to agree up to a point. There's a lot of screwed up
things these days. But, there's also sections of my growing up that I
remember as terrifying. I hated it ~ right up until I was 14 and
gained 85 lbs in 11 months. Nobody picked on me after that.

Not all people outgrow the fear, whether it'd bullying *or* dodge
ball. Yeah, I know what krw is going to say ~ that it's part of
growing up. Well, there's a hell of a lot of really screwed up people
out there and I have to wonder if the bullying *or* the dodge ball had
anything to do with creating those f**ked up people?