Hi All,
In making a walnut box for my daughter, I ended up with some gouges
in it from planing against the grain. Multiple boards glued together
didn't help. Anyway, they are too deep for a scraper, and I'm afraid
to attack it again with the plane, and sanding would take a year!
Can I mix carpenter's glue with sawdust for a filler, should I use a
white glue? Is there something better, and how will it all look
afterwards, and any special tips???
Thanks for any help!!!
Regards,
Rich.....
rich wrote:
> Hi All,
>
> In making a walnut box for my daughter, I ended up with some gouges
> in it from planing against the grain. Multiple boards glued together
> didn't help. Anyway, they are too deep for a scraper, and I'm afraid
> to attack it again with the plane, and sanding would take a year!
>
> Can I mix carpenter's glue with sawdust for a filler, should I use a
> white glue? Is there something better, and how will it all look
> afterwards, and any special tips???
>
> Thanks for any help!!!
>
> Regards,
>
> Rich.....
The glue and sawdust should work fine. Once it's painted you probably
won't be able to tell there was a problem.
John Martin
Boy!!! I can hear my wife's yelling at the very mention of a belt
sander in the house!!! For another year, I have to work in the house,
then I get to move to the retirement house with the 4 car garage. Make
that, room for my wife's car, and my shop! But a belt sander might
work on a bigger project. This box is 5" x 9" x 4".
I plan to use a clear finish, because I have some basswood and
cherry inlays between the walnut. Would the glue and sawdust work
under an oil finish??? Delft spray can???
Thanks for the ideas!
Rich.....
Thanks for all the great information!!! I hadn't thought of using
the wood dust with the finish, rather than glue. I have a small bottle
full, but I'm sure I can Dremmelize more from the scrap wood as needed.
I'll start some test pieces this weekend to learn the technique, and
what it will look like.
And as to the future... I will not plane against the grain... I
will not plane against the grain... etc.!
Regards,
Rich.....
Mon, Oct 10, 2005, 5:36pm (EDT-3) [email protected] (rich) doth say:
=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0Boy!!! I can hear my wife's yelling at the very
mention of a belt sander in the house!!! For another year, I have to
work in the house, then I get to move to the retirement house with the 4
car garage. <snip>
Sweet. So she's not moving, eh?
JOAT
The Truth Shall Set Ye Fren
rich wrote:
> Boy!!! I can hear my wife's yelling at the very mention of a belt
> This box is 5" x 9" x 4".
>
> I plan to use a clear finish, because I have some basswood and
> cherry inlays between the walnut. Would the glue and sawdust work
> under an oil finish??? Delft spray can???
>
> Thanks for the ideas!
>
> Rich.....
You didn't say which face(s) of the box were gouged & how deep nor how
thick the wood is. You could take the pieces or assembeled box out on
the porch & use a random orbital sander on them -- usually a little
gentler on stuff than a belt sander ( also easier to control on smaller
projects) You can get 60 grit paper for them , then work up
progressivly to 220 grit which should be fine for a clear finish--
I wouldn't recommend filler-- although I have had some success using
lacquer mixed with walnut dust to fix cracks then over finished with
three or four coats of the same lacquer.
Phil
rich wrote:
> Hi All,
>
> In making a walnut box for my daughter, I ended up with some gouges
> in it from planing against the grain. Multiple boards glued together
> didn't help. Anyway, they are too deep for a scraper, and I'm afraid
> to attack it again with the plane, and sanding would take a year!
>
> Can I mix carpenter's glue with sawdust for a filler, should I use a
> white glue? Is there something better, and how will it all look
> afterwards, and any special tips???
>
Wood flour (the dust from sanding wood, or sawdust that has been
ground, a coffee mill works) makes a better filler than sawdust
per se.
Shellac makes a good binder, you can mix the wood flour into
3 lb shellac to make a putty, press that into the nicks and
gouges, then when it is hardened, scrape it smooth. After
that, if your first coat of finish on the box is also shellac
the color will blend well.
You could probably make filler with varnish or laquer too, what-
ever you are usining for the first coat of finish on the piece.
My only experience is with shellac and it works great.
Glue won't match the color of the rest of the finish, unless
you use glue in lieu of varnish...
--
FF
rich wrote:
> Hi All,
>
> In making a walnut box for my daughter, I ended up with some gouges
> in it from planing against the grain. Multiple boards glued together
> didn't help. Anyway, they are too deep for a scraper, and I'm afraid
> to attack it again with the plane, and sanding would take a year!
>
> Can I mix carpenter's glue with sawdust for a filler, should I use a
> white glue? Is there something better, and how will it all look
> afterwards, and any special tips???
>
> Thanks for any help!!!
>
> Regards,
>
> Rich.....
>
Fine sawdust with white glue works fantastically
well with narrow cracks, but I think a filling a
gouge would look bad on with a clear finish.
Would be fine with paint, might work with a dark
stain.
If you can't sand them out, then incorporate into
a design.
On 10 Oct 2005 17:36:53 -0700, with neither quill nor qualm, "rich"
<[email protected]> quickly quoth:
> Boy!!! I can hear my wife's yelling at the very mention of a belt
>sander in the house!!! For another year, I have to work in the house,
>then I get to move to the retirement house with the 4 car garage. Make
>that, room for my wife's car, and my shop! But a belt sander might
>work on a bigger project. This box is 5" x 9" x 4".
>
> I plan to use a clear finish, because I have some basswood and
>cherry inlays between the walnut. Would the glue and sawdust work
>under an oil finish??? Delft spray can???
Don't you dare use -filler- on walnut, heathen!
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"rich" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> Hi All,
>
> In making a walnut box for my daughter, I ended up with some gouges
> in it from planing against the grain. Multiple boards glued together
> didn't help. Anyway, they are too deep for a scraper, and I'm afraid
> to attack it again with the plane, and sanding would take a year!
>
> Can I mix carpenter's glue with sawdust for a filler, should I use a
> white glue? Is there something better, and how will it all look
> afterwards, and any special tips???
>
Glue and sawdust makes a fill that looks like a dead fish's eye. In the
finest of spots, you might not fixate on it, but beyond that, fill
everything with a stained oil-based filler or leave as is.
Belt sander ?
"rich" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> Hi All,
>
> In making a walnut box for my daughter, I ended up with some gouges
> in it from planing against the grain. Multiple boards glued together
> didn't help. Anyway, they are too deep for a scraper, and I'm afraid
> to attack it again with the plane, and sanding would take a year!
>
> Can I mix carpenter's glue with sawdust for a filler, should I use a
> white glue? Is there something better, and how will it all look
> afterwards, and any special tips???
>
> Thanks for any help!!!
>
> Regards,
>
> Rich.....
>
"rich" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> Hi All,
>
> In making a walnut box for my daughter, I ended up with some gouges
> in it from planing against the grain. Multiple boards glued together
> didn't help. Anyway, they are too deep for a scraper, and I'm afraid
> to attack it again with the plane, and sanding would take a year!
Patina. Adds value.
rich wrote:
> Boy!!! I can hear my wife's yelling at the very mention of a belt
> sander in the house!!! For another year, I have to work in the house,
> then I get to move to the retirement house with the 4 car garage. Make
> that, room for my wife's car, and my shop! But a belt sander might
> work on a bigger project. This box is 5" x 9" x 4".
>
> I plan to use a clear finish, because I have some basswood and
> cherry inlays between the walnut. Would the glue and sawdust work
> under an oil finish??? Delft spray can???
>
> Thanks for the ideas!
>
> Rich.....
>
Hold on, Rich. that's a small piece. You could use a York pitch plane
(or higher) to take out gouges from such a small piece in just a few
minutes. Been there, done that. I've removed gouges from walnut on my
own projects this past week. Like you said, it would take a while using
a scraper...but a 50+ degree angle on a plane would leave it smooth as a
baby's butt--no tearout.
Otherwise, I'd go with the belt sander option, but you already nixed
that. I don't understand WHY, but that's what you said (something about
the wife). Seems you could step outside for the 90 seconds it would
take to do the job with the BS, but whatever.
Dave
On 10 Oct 2005 16:29:56 -0700, with neither quill nor qualm, "rich"
<[email protected]> quickly quoth:
>Hi All,
>
> In making a walnut box for my daughter, I ended up with some gouges
>in it from planing against the grain. Multiple boards glued together
>didn't help. Anyway, they are too deep for a scraper, and I'm afraid
>to attack it again with the plane, and sanding would take a year!
If they are too deep for a scraper, you should toss the wood and
rebuild the box with fresh wood.
Otherwise, pull new hooks and scrape away. It'll come down in no time
at all.
So, d'ja learn your lesson about planing agiainst the grain?
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