There's been a friendly debate going on in alt.guitar.bass about what sort
of treatment is best for guitar fingerboards, many of which are rosewood.
I've heard lemon oil (which I know is just "flavored" mineral oil) can
actually cause drying out (which I don't understand), and a host of other
theories. I'm interested in opinions from this crowd. The goal is to apply
something that'll remove normal hand dirt, and then leave the fingerboard
somewhat moisturized, but not VERY oily.
"Dave Hinz" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> On Mon, 25 Jul 2005 18:03:58 GMT, Doug Kanter <[email protected]>
> wrote:
>>
>> "Dave Hinz" <[email protected]> wrote in message
>> news:[email protected]...
>>> On Mon, 25 Jul 2005 15:17:25 GMT, Doug Kanter
>>> <[email protected]>
>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> "Dave Hinz" <[email protected]> wrote in message
>>>> news:[email protected]...
>>>>>
>>>>> Well, I'm not Doug, but I interpreted it as equivalent of "The
>>>>> substance
>>>>> commercially sold as 'lemon oil' is actually just lemon-flavored
>>>>> mineral
>>>>> oil". Not sure if that's what you meant, but that's what I read it
>>>>> as.
>>>>> Sounded like you were making a global statement about all things sold
>>>>> as
>>>>> "lemon oil".
>
>>>> You're correct about my meaning. As far as "global", no. I was only
>>>> commenting on the 3 products I ran across in stores, which included the
>>>> one
>>>> I finally bought.
>
>>> OK, so what you said wasn't what you meant. Got it.
>>>
>>>> Miller probably thought I meant that lemon oil, when first extracted
>>>> from
>>>> lemons, contained mineral oil. Miller's funny that way.
>>>
>>> What's "funny", is that even though someone else has now agreed that
>>> your wording isn't what you meant, you blame your failure to write
>>> clearly on Doug.
>>
>> There have to be some assumptions made in any discussion, or it would
>> take
>> years to discuss most anything. I assume that most people who mentioned
>> lemon oil in this thread were referring to modified products sold in
>> stores,
>> not pure, unadulterated lemon oil.
>
> So it _is_ a global statement. You are saying that the substance sold
> for wood treatment, called "lemon oil", is in fact not oil of lemon, but
> is in fact lemon-flavored mineral oil. Yes?
>
No, it's related to the products I found. I haven't found pure lemon oil.
And, ****IN MY OPINION***, I think others in this discussion were also
referring to typical products found in grocery stores, Home Depot,
woodworking stores, etc.
I don't claim to be that great at woodworking or guitar playing, but I
do both (neither one professionally). Because I do both I love guitars
not only for their musical value, but as highly refined and functional
woodworking pieces (I'm talking about real guitars, not the junk that
gets spit off the Asian assembly lines at a rate of a couple thousand
per day).
Most well made guitars I've seen don't have any sort of finish on the
fingerboard. They say that fine instruments only get better with use.
And hand oil--not hand dirt--is, in my opinion, one of the reasons for
this. If you pick up a guitar that has been used a lot for a long
time, it has a feel that cannot be achieved through any process other
than having fingers with their natural oils dancing up and down the
fret board. It's a natural process like the smoothing of river rocks
tumbling in a stream. This natural oiling process can also give some
indication as to the players style. Look closely at the patterns on
the finger board and you'll get some idea of where he chooses to do
most of his playing. Does he stay mostly in the first position using
mostly open chords or does he do a lot of soloing in the mid to high
range. To me this is all part of the guitar's character and story.
And if it's a fine instrument that is worth handing down to future
generations, those generations should not be deprived of the story.
The only oil that get's put on the necks of my guitars is hand oil.
That is, clean hand oil- not hand oil mixed with hand dirt.
For those reading that are not interested in guitars, think of an old
wooden plane or the wood handles of your favorite hand tools. My uncle
has some that have decades of hand oil deposits. You can't get the
same feel from any comercially available finish or oil. To me it's a
desirable feel that would be ruined if you tried to monkey around with
it.
If there's already dirt on the finger board, I would use a rag lightly
dampened with water to rub it off. The water will loosen the dirt, but
won't disolve the hand oil. After the dirt is removed apply additional
layers of hand oil finish by playing at every possible occasion.
Agree with completely. Rosewood and ebony, which is what most
fingerboards are made of, do no need any 'moisterizing'. If you have a
fingerboard cracking or splitting because it's too dry, then it must be
from the last millenia (time to call a museam). Also Keep in mind any
oil you add to the fingerboard will also transfer to the the strings,
and oil on the strings (especially the bass E, A, D) is not a good
combination.
No oil, just TLC.
On Fri, 22 Jul 2005 16:40:58 GMT, "Doug Kanter"
<[email protected]> wrote:
>There's been a friendly debate going on in alt.guitar.bass about what sort
>of treatment is best for guitar fingerboards, many of which are rosewood.
>I've heard lemon oil (which I know is just "flavored" mineral oil) can
>actually cause drying out (which I don't understand), and a host of other
>theories. I'm interested in opinions from this crowd. The goal is to apply
>something that'll remove normal hand dirt, and then leave the fingerboard
>somewhat moisturized, but not VERY oily.
>
well rosewood is pretty oily wood to start with. unless you are
keeping the guitar in some harsh conditions or are cleaning it
regularly with acetone I don't see the need to add oil at all.
depending what kind of instrument this is the finish may affect the
sound, and I'm by no stretch qualified to recommend anything to help
there. as far as cleaning it, something like murphy's oil soap is
probably about right. a film finish like laquer should make it easier
to clean, but again may affect the sound....
On 22 Jul 2005 11:14:47 -0700, Todd the wood junkie <[email protected]> wrote:
> Agree with completely. Rosewood and ebony, which is what most
> fingerboards are made of, do no need any 'moisterizing'. If you have a
> fingerboard cracking or splitting because it's too dry, then it must be
> from the last millenia
What, 5 years ago you mean?
> (time to call a museam). Also Keep in mind any
> oil you add to the fingerboard will also transfer to the the strings,
> and oil on the strings (especially the bass E, A, D) is not a good
> combination.
That's the point I was going to make. Every time I've tried to put
any kind of treatment on a fretboard or the strings, it tends to make
the strings go "dead" not long afterwards.
> No oil, just TLC.
I tend to agree. Wipe it clean with a clean, dry cloth from time to
time, and you'll be fine.
On Sun, 24 Jul 2005 00:33:22 GMT, Doug Kanter <[email protected]> wrote:
>
> "Doug Miller" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> news:[email protected]...
>> Then you have lemon-flavored mineral oil. You don't have lemon oil.
> OK...let's back up. In my original message, what did you really think I
> meant when I said:
> "I've heard lemon oil (which I know is just "flavored" mineral oil)" ???
> How did you interpret that?
Well, I'm not Doug, but I interpreted it as equivalent of "The substance
commercially sold as 'lemon oil' is actually just lemon-flavored mineral
oil". Not sure if that's what you meant, but that's what I read it as.
Sounded like you were making a global statement about all things sold as
"lemon oil".
Dave Hinz
On Mon, 25 Jul 2005 15:17:25 GMT, Doug Kanter <[email protected]> wrote:
>
> "Dave Hinz" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> news:[email protected]...
>>
>> Well, I'm not Doug, but I interpreted it as equivalent of "The substance
>> commercially sold as 'lemon oil' is actually just lemon-flavored mineral
>> oil". Not sure if that's what you meant, but that's what I read it as.
>> Sounded like you were making a global statement about all things sold as
>> "lemon oil".
> You're correct about my meaning. As far as "global", no. I was only
> commenting on the 3 products I ran across in stores, which included the one
> I finally bought.
OK, so what you said wasn't what you meant. Got it.
> Miller probably thought I meant that lemon oil, when first extracted from
> lemons, contained mineral oil. Miller's funny that way.
What's "funny", is that even though someone else has now agreed that
your wording isn't what you meant, you blame your failure to write
clearly on Doug.
On Mon, 25 Jul 2005 18:03:58 GMT, Doug Kanter <[email protected]> wrote:
>
> "Dave Hinz" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> news:[email protected]...
>> On Mon, 25 Jul 2005 15:17:25 GMT, Doug Kanter <[email protected]>
>> wrote:
>>>
>>> "Dave Hinz" <[email protected]> wrote in message
>>> news:[email protected]...
>>>>
>>>> Well, I'm not Doug, but I interpreted it as equivalent of "The substance
>>>> commercially sold as 'lemon oil' is actually just lemon-flavored mineral
>>>> oil". Not sure if that's what you meant, but that's what I read it as.
>>>> Sounded like you were making a global statement about all things sold as
>>>> "lemon oil".
>>> You're correct about my meaning. As far as "global", no. I was only
>>> commenting on the 3 products I ran across in stores, which included the
>>> one
>>> I finally bought.
>> OK, so what you said wasn't what you meant. Got it.
>>
>>> Miller probably thought I meant that lemon oil, when first extracted from
>>> lemons, contained mineral oil. Miller's funny that way.
>>
>> What's "funny", is that even though someone else has now agreed that
>> your wording isn't what you meant, you blame your failure to write
>> clearly on Doug.
>
> There have to be some assumptions made in any discussion, or it would take
> years to discuss most anything. I assume that most people who mentioned
> lemon oil in this thread were referring to modified products sold in stores,
> not pure, unadulterated lemon oil.
So it _is_ a global statement. You are saying that the substance sold
for wood treatment, called "lemon oil", is in fact not oil of lemon, but
is in fact lemon-flavored mineral oil. Yes?
On Mon, 25 Jul 2005 19:42:51 GMT, Doug Kanter <[email protected]> wrote:
>
> "Dave Hinz" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> news:[email protected]...
>> So it _is_ a global statement. You are saying that the substance sold
>> for wood treatment, called "lemon oil", is in fact not oil of lemon, but
>> is in fact lemon-flavored mineral oil. Yes?
>
> No, it's related to the products I found. I haven't found pure lemon oil.
> And, ****IN MY OPINION***, I think others in this discussion were also
> referring to typical products found in grocery stores, Home Depot,
> woodworking stores, etc.
Google knows a bunch of sources... a search string of:
"pure lemon oil" guitar
- shows a bunch of 'em.
On Mon, 25 Jul 2005 20:25:27 GMT, Doug Kanter <[email protected]> wrote:
>
> "Dave Hinz" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> news:[email protected]...
>> On Mon, 25 Jul 2005 19:42:51 GMT, Doug Kanter <[email protected]>
>> wrote:
>>>
>>> "Dave Hinz" <[email protected]> wrote in message
>>> news:[email protected]...
>>
>>>> So it _is_ a global statement. You are saying that the substance sold
>>>> for wood treatment, called "lemon oil", is in fact not oil of lemon, but
>>>> is in fact lemon-flavored mineral oil. Yes?
>>>
>>> No, it's related to the products I found. I haven't found pure lemon oil.
>>> And, ****IN MY OPINION***, I think others in this discussion were also
>>> referring to typical products found in grocery stores, Home Depot,
>>> woodworking stores, etc.
>>
>> Google knows a bunch of sources... a search string of:
>> "pure lemon oil" guitar
>>
>> - shows a bunch of 'em.
>>
>
> I believe it, but it always feels wrong to me to pay almost as much for
> shipping as the product itself, unless it's something that either unique or
> essential.
Once again you miss the point.
On Tue, 26 Jul 2005 19:09:29 GMT, Doug Kanter <[email protected]> wrote:
>
> "Doug Miller" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> news:[email protected]...
>> In article <[email protected]>, "Doug Kanter"
>> <[email protected]> wrote:
>>>"Doug Miller" <[email protected]> wrote in message
>>>news:[email protected]...
>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>Based on what ALL the participants in this thread were talking about,
>>>>>you
>>>>>thought pure lemon oil, straight from the lemon, contained mineral oil?
>>>>>Context meant nothing to you?
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Certainly not. Where did that come from, anyway? It's YOU who has the
>>>> confusion between lemon oil and mineral oil, not me -- YOU said lemon
>>>> oil
>>>> is
>>>> just flavored mineral oil.
>>>
>>>OK - you can have the last word, which is the ONLY goal here. This is no
>>>longer worth the effort.
>>
>> It never was. But it's amusing to wind you up and watch the lunacy emerge.
>> The
>> more you write, the less sense you make; the less sense you make, the
>> funnier
>> it gets.
>
> Lunacy? All you do is ask questions, but you are totally unable to explain
> what YOU believe about the subject at hand.
Dude. You said 'lemon oil is actually lemon flavored mineral oil', and
several of us showed you that you're wrong. It's not complicated. You
made a poorly researched generalization and/or an ambiguously worded
statement, that's all. Several seconds at google would have prevented
your initial mistake.
In article <[email protected]>, "Doug Kanter" <[email protected]> wrote:
>"Doug Miller" <[email protected]> wrote in message
>news:[email protected]...
>> In article <[email protected]>, "Doug Kanter"
>> <[email protected]> wrote:
>>>I've heard lemon oil (which I know is just "flavored" mineral oil)
>>
>> What makes you think that?
>
>The ingredients on the container sitting right in front of me. Weiman
>Natural Mineral Oil. If others are closer to pure lemon oil, I didn't find
>any available around here.
>
Then you have lemon-flavored mineral oil. You don't have lemon oil.
--
Regards,
Doug Miller (alphageek at milmac dot com)
It's time to throw all their damned tea in the harbor again.
In article <[email protected]>, [email protected]
says...
>
> "Doug Miller" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> news:[email protected]...
> > In article <[email protected]>, "Doug Kanter"
> > <[email protected]> wrote:
> >>"Doug Miller" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> >>news:[email protected]...
> >>> In article <[email protected]>, "Doug Kanter"
> >>> <[email protected]> wrote:
> >>>>I've heard lemon oil (which I know is just "flavored" mineral oil)
> >>>
> >>> What makes you think that?
> >>
> >>The ingredients on the container sitting right in front of me. Weiman
> >>Natural Mineral Oil. If others are closer to pure lemon oil, I didn't find
> >>any available around here.
> >>
> >
> > Then you have lemon-flavored mineral oil. You don't have lemon oil.
>
> OK...let's back up. In my original message, what did you really think I
> meant when I said:
> "I've heard lemon oil (which I know is just "flavored" mineral oil)" ???
>
> How did you interpret that?
The meaning is obvious to anyone with ordinary skills at reading the
English language, and no "interpretation" is necessary: you believe that
lemon oil is "just 'flavored' mineral oil".
That belief is incorrect.
"Dave Hinz" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> On Sun, 24 Jul 2005 00:33:22 GMT, Doug Kanter <[email protected]>
> wrote:
>>
>> "Doug Miller" <[email protected]> wrote in message
>> news:[email protected]...
>
>>> Then you have lemon-flavored mineral oil. You don't have lemon oil.
>
>> OK...let's back up. In my original message, what did you really think I
>> meant when I said:
>> "I've heard lemon oil (which I know is just "flavored" mineral oil)" ???
>
>> How did you interpret that?
>
> Well, I'm not Doug, but I interpreted it as equivalent of "The substance
> commercially sold as 'lemon oil' is actually just lemon-flavored mineral
> oil". Not sure if that's what you meant, but that's what I read it as.
> Sounded like you were making a global statement about all things sold as
> "lemon oil".
>
> Dave Hinz
You're correct about my meaning. As far as "global", no. I was only
commenting on the 3 products I ran across in stores, which included the one
I finally bought.
Miller probably thought I meant that lemon oil, when first extracted from
lemons, contained mineral oil. Miller's funny that way.
"Big Daddy" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> On Fri, 22 Jul 2005 16:40:58 GMT, "Doug Kanter"
> <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>>There's been a friendly debate going on in alt.guitar.bass about what sort
>>of treatment is best for guitar fingerboards, many of which are rosewood.
>>I've heard lemon oil (which I know is just "flavored" mineral oil) can
>>actually cause drying out (which I don't understand), and a host of other
>>theories. I'm interested in opinions from this crowd. The goal is to apply
>>something that'll remove normal hand dirt, and then leave the fingerboard
>>somewhat moisturized, but not VERY oily.
>>
>
> Guitar fingerboards are usually ebony or rosewood. They do not need
> any finish or oil. To clean a fingerboard, take the strings off and
> use fine steel wool.
>
> Guitars should be properly humidified. Take the proper precautions to
> keep them from drying out or getting too much humidity.
>
> Why would you want a fingerboard "moisturized"? It's normal moisture
> content is fine as long as it's not too dry - usually evident by sharp
> fret ends protruding. Don't confuse moisture (water) with oils.
> Big Daddy
I think I (and other players) have been brainwashed by the guitar makers,
who also sell little bottles of stuff. :-(
"Doug Miller" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
>>
>>Based on what ALL the participants in this thread were talking about, you
>>thought pure lemon oil, straight from the lemon, contained mineral oil?
>>Context meant nothing to you?
>>
>
> Certainly not. Where did that come from, anyway? It's YOU who has the
> confusion between lemon oil and mineral oil, not me -- YOU said lemon oil
> is
> just flavored mineral oil.
OK - you can have the last word, which is the ONLY goal here. This is no
longer worth the effort.
"Doug Miller" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> In article <[email protected]>, "Doug Kanter"
> <[email protected]> wrote:
>>"Doug Miller" <[email protected]> wrote in message
>>news:[email protected]...
>>
>>>>
>>>>Based on what ALL the participants in this thread were talking about,
>>>>you
>>>>thought pure lemon oil, straight from the lemon, contained mineral oil?
>>>>Context meant nothing to you?
>>>>
>>>
>>> Certainly not. Where did that come from, anyway? It's YOU who has the
>>> confusion between lemon oil and mineral oil, not me -- YOU said lemon
>>> oil
>>> is
>>> just flavored mineral oil.
>>
>>OK - you can have the last word, which is the ONLY goal here. This is no
>>longer worth the effort.
>
> It never was. But it's amusing to wind you up and watch the lunacy emerge.
> The
> more you write, the less sense you make; the less sense you make, the
> funnier
> it gets.
Lunacy? All you do is ask questions, but you are totally unable to explain
what YOU believe about the subject at hand.
"Dave Hinz" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> On Mon, 25 Jul 2005 20:25:27 GMT, Doug Kanter <[email protected]>
> wrote:
>>
>> "Dave Hinz" <[email protected]> wrote in message
>> news:[email protected]...
>>> On Mon, 25 Jul 2005 19:42:51 GMT, Doug Kanter
>>> <[email protected]>
>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> "Dave Hinz" <[email protected]> wrote in message
>>>> news:[email protected]...
>>>
>>>>> So it _is_ a global statement. You are saying that the substance sold
>>>>> for wood treatment, called "lemon oil", is in fact not oil of lemon,
>>>>> but
>>>>> is in fact lemon-flavored mineral oil. Yes?
>>>>
>>>> No, it's related to the products I found. I haven't found pure lemon
>>>> oil.
>>>> And, ****IN MY OPINION***, I think others in this discussion were also
>>>> referring to typical products found in grocery stores, Home Depot,
>>>> woodworking stores, etc.
>>>
>>> Google knows a bunch of sources... a search string of:
>>> "pure lemon oil" guitar
>>>
>>> - shows a bunch of 'em.
>>>
>>
>> I believe it, but it always feels wrong to me to pay almost as much for
>> shipping as the product itself, unless it's something that either unique
>> or
>> essential.
>
> Once again you miss the point.
>
No - I'm skipping over points that aren't worth obsessing about any more.
In article <[email protected]>, "Doug Kanter" <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>"Doug Miller" <[email protected]> wrote in message
>news:[email protected]...
>> In article <[email protected]>, "Doug Kanter"
>> <[email protected]> wrote:
>>>"Doug Miller" <[email protected]> wrote in message
>>>news:[email protected]...
>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>Based on what ALL the participants in this thread were talking about,
>>>>>you
>>>>>thought pure lemon oil, straight from the lemon, contained mineral oil?
>>>>>Context meant nothing to you?
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Certainly not. Where did that come from, anyway? It's YOU who has the
>>>> confusion between lemon oil and mineral oil, not me -- YOU said lemon
>>>> oil
>>>> is
>>>> just flavored mineral oil.
>>>
>>>OK - you can have the last word, which is the ONLY goal here. This is no
>>>longer worth the effort.
>>
>> It never was. But it's amusing to wind you up and watch the lunacy emerge.
>> The
>> more you write, the less sense you make; the less sense you make, the
>> funnier
>> it gets.
>
>Lunacy?
Yes, lunacy. Want an example? Just look above. I had written previously that
your stated belief that lemon oil is simply flavored mineral oil is incorrect;
from this you managed to conclude that I thought that lemon oil contains
mineral oil. I can't even begin to imagine how you managed *that* leap.
>All you do is ask questions, but you are totally unable to explain
>what YOU believe about the subject at hand.
If you would read what I've actually written, you'd see that I've made it
quite clear what I believe: that lemon oil is in fact NOT the same as flavored
mineral oil, in contradiction to your statement that you "know" that's all it
is. I'm sorry you find this so confusing.
--
Regards,
Doug Miller (alphageek at milmac dot com)
It's time to throw all their damned tea in the harbor again.
In article <[email protected]>, "Doug Kanter" <[email protected]> wrote:
>"Doug Miller" <[email protected]> wrote in message
>news:[email protected]...
>
>>>
>>>Based on what ALL the participants in this thread were talking about, you
>>>thought pure lemon oil, straight from the lemon, contained mineral oil?
>>>Context meant nothing to you?
>>>
>>
>> Certainly not. Where did that come from, anyway? It's YOU who has the
>> confusion between lemon oil and mineral oil, not me -- YOU said lemon oil
>> is
>> just flavored mineral oil.
>
>OK - you can have the last word, which is the ONLY goal here. This is no
>longer worth the effort.
It never was. But it's amusing to wind you up and watch the lunacy emerge. The
more you write, the less sense you make; the less sense you make, the funnier
it gets.
--
Regards,
Doug Miller (alphageek at milmac dot com)
It's time to throw all their damned tea in the harbor again.
"Dave Hinz" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> On Mon, 25 Jul 2005 19:42:51 GMT, Doug Kanter <[email protected]>
> wrote:
>>
>> "Dave Hinz" <[email protected]> wrote in message
>> news:[email protected]...
>
>>> So it _is_ a global statement. You are saying that the substance sold
>>> for wood treatment, called "lemon oil", is in fact not oil of lemon, but
>>> is in fact lemon-flavored mineral oil. Yes?
>>
>> No, it's related to the products I found. I haven't found pure lemon oil.
>> And, ****IN MY OPINION***, I think others in this discussion were also
>> referring to typical products found in grocery stores, Home Depot,
>> woodworking stores, etc.
>
> Google knows a bunch of sources... a search string of:
> "pure lemon oil" guitar
>
> - shows a bunch of 'em.
>
I believe it, but it always feels wrong to me to pay almost as much for
shipping as the product itself, unless it's something that either unique or
essential.
Take a look at these old Usenet threads via google:
http://groups-beta.google.com/groups?q=%22harvey's%20guitar%20honey%22
&hl=en&lr=&safe=off&sa=N&tab=wg
I've been using Harvey's Guitar Honey (the same bottle in fact) on all
my guitars since about 1988. I don't think he's making it any more, but
these threads include a lot of other suggestions from guitarists.
-kiwanda
In article <[email protected]>, "Doug Kanter" <[email protected]> wrote:
>I've heard lemon oil (which I know is just "flavored" mineral oil)
What makes you think that?
--
Regards,
Doug Miller (alphageek at milmac dot com)
It's time to throw all their damned tea in the harbor again.
"Dave Hinz" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> On Tue, 26 Jul 2005 19:09:29 GMT, Doug Kanter <[email protected]>
> wrote:
>>
>> "Doug Miller" <[email protected]> wrote in message
>> news:[email protected]...
>>> In article <[email protected]>, "Doug Kanter"
>>> <[email protected]> wrote:
>>>>"Doug Miller" <[email protected]> wrote in message
>>>>news:[email protected]...
>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Based on what ALL the participants in this thread were talking about,
>>>>>>you
>>>>>>thought pure lemon oil, straight from the lemon, contained mineral
>>>>>>oil?
>>>>>>Context meant nothing to you?
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Certainly not. Where did that come from, anyway? It's YOU who has the
>>>>> confusion between lemon oil and mineral oil, not me -- YOU said lemon
>>>>> oil
>>>>> is
>>>>> just flavored mineral oil.
>>>>
>>>>OK - you can have the last word, which is the ONLY goal here. This is no
>>>>longer worth the effort.
>>>
>>> It never was. But it's amusing to wind you up and watch the lunacy
>>> emerge.
>>> The
>>> more you write, the less sense you make; the less sense you make, the
>>> funnier
>>> it gets.
>>
>> Lunacy? All you do is ask questions, but you are totally unable to
>> explain
>> what YOU believe about the subject at hand.
>
> Dude. You said 'lemon oil is actually lemon flavored mineral oil', and
> several of us showed you that you're wrong. It's not complicated. You
> made a poorly researched generalization and/or an ambiguously worded
> statement, that's all. Several seconds at google would have prevented
> your initial mistake.
>
I'm over it.
"David" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> Doug Kanter wrote:
>
>> There's been a friendly debate going on in alt.guitar.bass about what
>> sort of treatment is best for guitar fingerboards, many of which are
>> rosewood. I've heard lemon oil (which I know is just "flavored" mineral
>> oil) can actually cause drying out (which I don't understand), and a host
>> of other theories. I'm interested in opinions from this crowd. The goal
>> is to apply something that'll remove normal hand dirt, and then leave the
>> fingerboard somewhat moisturized, but not VERY oily.
> what about Fingerboard Oil? There are a number of mentions online.
>
> Dave
Probably, but I'd find it hard to believe that there isn't a more commonly
available product used by woodworkers who make furniture or little wooden
jewelry boxes. By "commonly available", I mean something in the category of
tung oil or other things you can find at Home Depot, or a woodworking
specialty store. (I like to avoid ordering things online when the shipping
cost exceeds the value of the product involved).
In article <[email protected]>, "Doug Kanter" <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>"Dave Hinz" <[email protected]> wrote in message
>news:[email protected]...
>> On Sun, 24 Jul 2005 00:33:22 GMT, Doug Kanter <[email protected]>
>> wrote:
>>>
>>> "Doug Miller" <[email protected]> wrote in message
>>> news:[email protected]...
>>
>>>> Then you have lemon-flavored mineral oil. You don't have lemon oil.
>>
>>> OK...let's back up. In my original message, what did you really think I
>>> meant when I said:
>>> "I've heard lemon oil (which I know is just "flavored" mineral oil)" ???
>>
>>> How did you interpret that?
>>
>> Well, I'm not Doug, but I interpreted it as equivalent of "The substance
>> commercially sold as 'lemon oil' is actually just lemon-flavored mineral
>> oil". Not sure if that's what you meant, but that's what I read it as.
>> Sounded like you were making a global statement about all things sold as
>> "lemon oil".
>>
>> Dave Hinz
>
>You're correct about my meaning. As far as "global", no. I was only
>commenting on the 3 products I ran across in stores, which included the one
>I finally bought.
>
>Miller probably thought I meant that lemon oil, when first extracted from
>lemons, contained mineral oil. Miller's funny that way.
No, I drew the obvious conclusion: that you think (as you stated) that lemon
oil is nothing more than lemon-flavored mineral oil. It isn't.
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Doug Miller (alphageek at milmac dot com)
It's time to throw all their damned tea in the harbor again.
"Doug Miller" <[email protected]> wrote in message
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> In article <[email protected]>, "Doug Kanter"
> <[email protected]> wrote:
>>I've heard lemon oil (which I know is just "flavored" mineral oil)
>
> What makes you think that?
The ingredients on the container sitting right in front of me. Weiman
Natural Mineral Oil. If others are closer to pure lemon oil, I didn't find
any available around here.
On Fri, 22 Jul 2005 16:40:58 GMT, "Doug Kanter"
<[email protected]> wrote:
>There's been a friendly debate going on in alt.guitar.bass about what sort
>of treatment is best for guitar fingerboards, many of which are rosewood.
>I've heard lemon oil (which I know is just "flavored" mineral oil) can
>actually cause drying out (which I don't understand), and a host of other
>theories. I'm interested in opinions from this crowd. The goal is to apply
>something that'll remove normal hand dirt, and then leave the fingerboard
>somewhat moisturized, but not VERY oily.
>
Guitar fingerboards are usually ebony or rosewood. They do not need
any finish or oil. To clean a fingerboard, take the strings off and
use fine steel wool.
Guitars should be properly humidified. Take the proper precautions to
keep them from drying out or getting too much humidity.
Why would you want a fingerboard "moisturized"? It's normal moisture
content is fine as long as it's not too dry - usually evident by sharp
fret ends protruding. Don't confuse moisture (water) with oils.
Big Daddy
"Dave Hinz" <[email protected]> wrote in message
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> On Mon, 25 Jul 2005 15:17:25 GMT, Doug Kanter <[email protected]>
> wrote:
>>
>> "Dave Hinz" <[email protected]> wrote in message
>> news:[email protected]...
>>>
>>> Well, I'm not Doug, but I interpreted it as equivalent of "The substance
>>> commercially sold as 'lemon oil' is actually just lemon-flavored mineral
>>> oil". Not sure if that's what you meant, but that's what I read it as.
>>> Sounded like you were making a global statement about all things sold as
>>> "lemon oil".
>
>> You're correct about my meaning. As far as "global", no. I was only
>> commenting on the 3 products I ran across in stores, which included the
>> one
>> I finally bought.
>
> OK, so what you said wasn't what you meant. Got it.
>
>> Miller probably thought I meant that lemon oil, when first extracted from
>> lemons, contained mineral oil. Miller's funny that way.
>
> What's "funny", is that even though someone else has now agreed that
> your wording isn't what you meant, you blame your failure to write
> clearly on Doug.
There have to be some assumptions made in any discussion, or it would take
years to discuss most anything. I assume that most people who mentioned
lemon oil in this thread were referring to modified products sold in stores,
not pure, unadulterated lemon oil. Further, it would be just plain stupid to
think that a lemon contained petroleum distillates.
"I was driving down the road and the car stalled".
"What did you do with the elephant?"
"What elephant?"
"The one riding on top of your car".
"What??? That's ridiculous".
"Well, you didn't explicitly say there was NOT an elephant on top of your
car".
"Doug Miller" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> In article <[email protected]>, "Doug Kanter"
> <[email protected]> wrote:
>>
>>"Dave Hinz" <[email protected]> wrote in message
>>news:[email protected]...
>>> On Sun, 24 Jul 2005 00:33:22 GMT, Doug Kanter
>>> <[email protected]>
>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> "Doug Miller" <[email protected]> wrote in message
>>>> news:[email protected]...
>>>
>>>>> Then you have lemon-flavored mineral oil. You don't have lemon oil.
>>>
>>>> OK...let's back up. In my original message, what did you really think I
>>>> meant when I said:
>>>> "I've heard lemon oil (which I know is just "flavored" mineral oil)"
>>>> ???
>>>
>>>> How did you interpret that?
>>>
>>> Well, I'm not Doug, but I interpreted it as equivalent of "The substance
>>> commercially sold as 'lemon oil' is actually just lemon-flavored mineral
>>> oil". Not sure if that's what you meant, but that's what I read it as.
>>> Sounded like you were making a global statement about all things sold as
>>> "lemon oil".
>>>
>>> Dave Hinz
>>
>>You're correct about my meaning. As far as "global", no. I was only
>>commenting on the 3 products I ran across in stores, which included the
>>one
>>I finally bought.
>>
>>Miller probably thought I meant that lemon oil, when first extracted from
>>lemons, contained mineral oil. Miller's funny that way.
>
> No, I drew the obvious conclusion: that you think (as you stated) that
> lemon
> oil is nothing more than lemon-flavored mineral oil. It isn't.
Based on what ALL the participants in this thread were talking about, you
thought pure lemon oil, straight from the lemon, contained mineral oil?
Context meant nothing to you?
"Doug Miller" <[email protected]> wrote in message
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> In article <[email protected]>, "Doug Kanter"
> <[email protected]> wrote:
>>"Doug Miller" <[email protected]> wrote in message
>>news:[email protected]...
>>> In article <[email protected]>, "Doug Kanter"
>>> <[email protected]> wrote:
>>>>I've heard lemon oil (which I know is just "flavored" mineral oil)
>>>
>>> What makes you think that?
>>
>>The ingredients on the container sitting right in front of me. Weiman
>>Natural Mineral Oil. If others are closer to pure lemon oil, I didn't find
>>any available around here.
>>
>
> Then you have lemon-flavored mineral oil. You don't have lemon oil.
OK...let's back up. In my original message, what did you really think I
meant when I said:
"I've heard lemon oil (which I know is just "flavored" mineral oil)" ???
How did you interpret that?
Doug Kanter wrote:
> There's been a friendly debate going on in alt.guitar.bass about what sort
> of treatment is best for guitar fingerboards, many of which are rosewood.
> I've heard lemon oil (which I know is just "flavored" mineral oil) can
> actually cause drying out (which I don't understand), and a host of other
> theories. I'm interested in opinions from this crowd. The goal is to apply
> something that'll remove normal hand dirt, and then leave the fingerboard
> somewhat moisturized, but not VERY oily.
>
>
what about Fingerboard Oil? There are a number of mentions online.
Dave
In article <[email protected]>, "Doug Kanter" <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>"Doug Miller" <[email protected]> wrote in message
>news:[email protected]...
>> In article <[email protected]>, "Doug Kanter"
>> <[email protected]> wrote:
>>>
>>>"Dave Hinz" <[email protected]> wrote in message
>>>news:[email protected]...
>>>> On Sun, 24 Jul 2005 00:33:22 GMT, Doug Kanter
>>>> <[email protected]>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> "Doug Miller" <[email protected]> wrote in message
>>>>> news:[email protected]...
>>>>
>>>>>> Then you have lemon-flavored mineral oil. You don't have lemon oil.
>>>>
>>>>> OK...let's back up. In my original message, what did you really think I
>>>>> meant when I said:
>>>>> "I've heard lemon oil (which I know is just "flavored" mineral oil)"
>>>>> ???
>>>>
>>>>> How did you interpret that?
>>>>
>>>> Well, I'm not Doug, but I interpreted it as equivalent of "The substance
>>>> commercially sold as 'lemon oil' is actually just lemon-flavored mineral
>>>> oil". Not sure if that's what you meant, but that's what I read it as.
>>>> Sounded like you were making a global statement about all things sold as
>>>> "lemon oil".
>>>>
>>>> Dave Hinz
>>>
>>>You're correct about my meaning. As far as "global", no. I was only
>>>commenting on the 3 products I ran across in stores, which included the
>>>one
>>>I finally bought.
>>>
>>>Miller probably thought I meant that lemon oil, when first extracted from
>>>lemons, contained mineral oil. Miller's funny that way.
>>
>> No, I drew the obvious conclusion: that you think (as you stated) that
>> lemon
>> oil is nothing more than lemon-flavored mineral oil. It isn't.
>
>Based on what ALL the participants in this thread were talking about, you
>thought pure lemon oil, straight from the lemon, contained mineral oil?
>Context meant nothing to you?
>
Certainly not. Where did that come from, anyway? It's YOU who has the
confusion between lemon oil and mineral oil, not me -- YOU said lemon oil is
just flavored mineral oil.
--
Regards,
Doug Miller (alphageek at milmac dot com)
It's time to throw all their damned tea in the harbor again.