Quiet, lightweight upholstery electric staple gun

On Thu, 25 Mar 2010 17:30:47 GMT, the infamous Robert Montgomery
<[email protected]> scrawled the following:

>What's a fairly quiet, lightweight upholstery electric staple gun that's
>powerful enough to penetrate pine?
>
>I'm an artist and I need to stretch cotton canvas over pine stretcher bars.

Repeat after me: Electric staple guns don't work reliably.

Get a little compressor, an extra 5 gallon tank, and a $30 Harbor
Freight 1/2" crown stapler (I love mine) and you're in business.
http://www.harborfreight.com/cpi/ctaf/displayitem.taf?Itemnumber=97572
http://www.harborfreight.com/cpi/ctaf/displayitem.taf?Itemnumber=65594



>I considered buying a quiet Duo-Fast E1C 3118A electric staple gun, but
>it's too heavy. I have to hold the stretcher bar frame vertically so I
>have one hand to pull the canvas tightly around the bars with canvas
>pliers, so my other hand and arm have to be up in the air to fire the
>staple gun, so that gun would be too heavy. It weighs 4.2 pounds.

Oh, the HF gun weighs about 2 pounds but feels closer to 1 pound. I
use a lightweight 1/4" air line for the tank. It's even lighter than a
copper cord for a corded tool like my drill.

I've also used my HF 1/4" crown stapler for upholstery to good effect.
http://www.harborfreight.com/cpi/ctaf/displayitem.taf?Itemnumber=97524

My 3/4HP Ingersoll Rand airless compressor will fill up the tank to
100psi. I can then take the tank and hose anywhere and run about 100
staples from the gun before needing a refill. It stops working well at
roughly 50psi.

Something as small as this might be enough compressor for you.
http://www.harborfreight.com/cpi/ctaf/displayitem.taf?Itemnumber=90168


These items go on sale at HF all the time and you can often find them
for half price.

--
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Don't fight them. Just find a different way to stand.
-- Oprah Winfrey

Bill wrote:
FWIW, I would get an "oil-free" model. Good luck!
>
>
> Bill

Why oil-free? Someone wrote that oil-free models tend to be louder than
oil models, and I want to get one that's a s quiet as possible.

Robert

"SonomaProducts.com" <[email protected]> wrote in message
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>I just did a google search on "amazon senco stapler and compressor"
>and the first hot is an upholstery bundle.
>http://www.amazon.com/Senco-PC0973-Upholstery-Compressor-Kit/dp/B0002PS87U

I have that compressor and it's not as loud as a vacuum cleaner.

Max

"Robert Montgomery" <[email protected]> wrote in message
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> Max wrote:
>> "SonomaProducts.com" <[email protected]> wrote in message
>> news:cf00bc35-f292-49a2-851a-
>>
>>
>>
>>> I just did a google search on "amazon senco stapler and compressor"
>>> and the first hot is an upholstery bundle.
>>> http://www.amazon.com/Senco-PC0973-Upholstery-Compressor-Kit/dp/B0002PS87U
>>
>> I have that compressor and it's not as loud as a vacuum cleaner.
>>
>> Max
>
> How often does it have to be noisy when you're stapling? I understand that
> the compressor would be noisy only when it's filling with air.

Correct.

> How noisy is it when it's running but not filling with air?

Once it's filled with air, it's quits running.

> Robert
>



Hmm. It shuts off when the little tank fills. If you're concerned about it
running for a "long" time, get a spare tank to fill as well.
How often the compressor cycles on and off is going to depend on how "fast"
you drive staples.

Max

"Robert Montgomery" wrote
>
> How noisy is it when it's running but not filling with air?
>
There is no noise associated with the spare tank. Only with the stapler. If
you were only going to do this some of the time, why don't you just go to
those air filling stations for the tires. You can then bring the tank home
and staple with that.

You are not building houses or cabinets. Your needs are very modest. That is
what some of the guys who air brush do, they just fill a tank and use that.

I had a friend who had a volkswagon and he got tired of people ignoring him.
So he went to the junk yard and got an air horn from a big Mack truck. He
then installed it in the car and put an air tank in there. The tank drove
the air horn. Let a little air out and the horn made a BIG noise. When he
went by the gas station, he would fill up the air tank. It would last him
for months since the horn wasn't used that much.

And when he used it, it almost caused a panic! People kept looking around
for a big truck! It definitely attracted attention. He was no longer
ignored.

Same thing here. It doesn't take that much air to drive a staple. Unless you
are going into commercial production, a little air will go a long way.
(Kinda like off topic threads on the wreck)

Just to follow up on my previous comments onusing a small air tank to drive
your stapler.

I have seen roofers and other tradesmans using tanks for small jobs. It is
quicker and handier than setting up a compressor on site. And I saw one guy
who put an inverter on his pickup and drove a compressor to fill his air
tanks. Again, this is only for small jobs.

And if you are just going to build some frames from time to time, there are
a lot of businesses in your neighborhood who have compressors. See if you
can find somebody who will fill up a tank for five bucks or so. If you
could find such an arrangement, it would be chaeper than buying a compressor
for a couple years or so.

Again, everything depends on your actual air usage. The hardness of the
wood, the length of the staple, the sharpness (quality) of the staple, etc.,
etc. How many frames will you build at one time, etc.

And hey, as an artist, you can paint your tank up to look like some kinda
space age accessory! All the kids will think you are cool.

"Robert Montgomery" wrote
>
> How much do spare tanks weigh?
There are differrent sizes. I have seen five gallon tanks that probably
weigh about 15 - 20 lbs. I have seen them on sale for $20 or so. I would
guess about $30 - $40 usd.

> I don't have a car so I'd have to carry the tank four blocks to the
> nearest gas station and then back home. I have a bad back.

Then get a cart ot hand truck of some kind. Strap it in with some kind of
web strapping. Take your little baby for a walk. Get it filled up. Bring it
home and burp it. Make some art. Life is good.

>
> How does the whole thing work? You carry the tank to a gas station, fill
> the tank there, bring it home and hook up the gun to the tank and bypass
> the compressor? So I wouldn't need a compressor?
>
Right. The air tool uses air. It doesn't care where it gets its air. From a
compressor or a tank. The compressor actually does not drive the gun. The
compressor just fills the tank which drives the gun.

That is why when you have a small compressor and use a tool that uses a lot
of air, the compressor runs all the time or can not keep up. Conversely, if
you use a tool that does not use much air, the compressor comes on rarely.

That is why a tank may work for you. A stapler does not use that much air.

> I might stretch a canvas every couple of days if they sell well. Some of
> them could be as long as six feet and as wide as a foot and-a-half. A
> 40-inch-long by 18-inch-high canvas requires about a hundred staples, so
> that would mean firing 300 or 400 staples per week.
>
Again, since I have no direct experience in running staplers off of an air
tank, you will just need to try it out. If you get a tank from a place that
will take it back, you can always buy a tank and try it out. If it doesn't
work, just bring it back.

But it is a tank or a compressor. With one, you have to build a special box
for it. With the other, you have to go on air runs. Each has it problems.
You have to decide what is best for you.

"Robert Montgomery" <[email protected]> wrote in message
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> Lee Michaels wrote:
>
>> Same thing here. It doesn't take that much air to drive a staple. Unless
>> you are going into commercial production, a little air will go a long
>> way.
>
> I think I'd need up to 100 p.s.i to run a staple gun.
>
Again, get something that is rated ovr a 100 psi. Or just buy a baby
compressor to run the gun.

Personally, what I would do is to approach your neighbors and tell them that
you will be making some noise once or twice a week for a few minutes. Then
schedule it around those times. Make sure you have enough frames on hand to
not have to do this any other time than the agreed to times.

Just buy a baby (pancake) compressor, not screw around with the tanks and
just make a little noise now and then. And if it is still too lound, build a
soudproof box to keep it in. As an artist, you can make the box look any way
you want. For that matter, you can paint the compressor and stapler too!

Hey, you know that life is complicated for an artist! There would no art if
there were no such stresses and complications in life.

Be an artist. Suck it up. Get it done. Be a macho sumbitch. ;-)

Robert Montgomery <[email protected]> wrote in
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>
> How much do spare tanks weigh? I don't have a car so I'd have to carry
> the tank four blocks to the nearest gas station and then back home. I
> have a bad back. Just today I had a chiropractic adjustment. I was in
> a car accident 15 years ago, which has necessitated 200 medical
> appointments and my back has been in constant pain for the last 15
> years.

Shipping weight on this one is 18 lbs:
http://www.northerntool.com/shop/tools/product_200319119_200319119

Take a pound or two off for packaging, and it's probably pretty close.
(It happened to be the first one I found.)


> How does the whole thing work? You carry the tank to a gas station,
> fill
> the tank there, bring it home and hook up the gun to the tank and
> bypass the compressor? So I wouldn't need a compressor?

Exactly. The gas station is providing the compressor. Just make sure
the tank has a tire-style valve on it.

> I might stretch a canvas every couple of days if they sell well. Some
> of them could be as long as six feet and as wide as a foot and-a-half.
> A 40-inch-long by 18-inch-high canvas requires about a hundred
> staples, so that would mean firing 300 or 400 staples per week.
>
> Robert

At 300-400 staples a week, I'd definately look in to getting a small
compressor. The small ones often don't make much noise (no worse than a
vacuum) and will run just about any air nailer you care to throw at it.
(The size you're likely to use will probably shoot 20-30 staples before
cycling.)

I have a 5 gallon tank I use for my air brush. It lets me have several
minutes of run time before I have to take it back over to the compressor
and fill it up. It can be a hassle to take it to a gas station and fill
it if you have to every day.

If you start with the tank and find you need more air reserve, you can
hook the tank to the compressor and have more standby air. (More time
between cycles, but longer cycles.)

Puckdropper
--
Never teach your apprentice everything you know.

"Robert Montgomery" <[email protected]> wrote in message
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> Lee Michaels wrote:
>> "Robert Montgomery" wrote
>>> How noisy is it when it's running but not filling with air?
>>>
>> There is no noise associated with the spare tank. Only with the stapler.
>> If you were only going to do this some of the time, why don't you just go
>> to those air filling stations for the tires. You can then bring the tank
>> home and staple with that.
>>
>> You are not building houses or cabinets. Your needs are very modest. That
>> is what some of the guys who air brush do, they just fill a tank and use
>> that.
>
>>
>> Same thing here. It doesn't take that much air to drive a staple. Unless
>> you are going into commercial production, a little air will go a long
>> way.
>
> How much do spare tanks weigh? I don't have a car so I'd have to carry the
> tank four blocks to the nearest gas station and then back home. I have a
> bad back. Just today I had a chiropractic adjustment. I was in a car
> accident 15 years ago, which has necessitated 200 medical appointments and
> my back has been in constant pain for the last 15 years.
>
> How does the whole thing work? You carry the tank to a gas station, fill
> the tank there, bring it home and hook up the gun to the tank and bypass
> the compressor? So I wouldn't need a compressor?
>
> I might stretch a canvas every couple of days if they sell well. Some of
> them could be as long as six feet and as wide as a foot and-a-half. A
> 40-inch-long by 18-inch-high canvas requires about a hundred staples, so
> that would mean firing 300 or 400 staples per week.
>
> Robert


Hmm. You're beginning to sound as if you've made up your mind.
You're probably right , Robert.
Ain't no way you're going to find the ideal solution.
Electric staplers aren't strong enough.
Air staplers are too expensive.
Compressors are too noisy.
Air tanks are too heavy and a nuisance to take to get filled.
You should just give up and go to work at MacDonalds.

Max

Robert Montgomery <[email protected]> wrote in
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> Puckdropper wrote:
>
>>
>> I have a 5 gallon tank I use for my air brush. It lets me have
>> several minutes of run time before I have to take it back over to the
>> compressor and fill it up.
>
> Thanks, Puckdropper.
>
> I'm curious to know why your compressor alone wouldn't have enough air
> to power your airbrush. I airbrushed about 20 years ago, using a
> little Badger compressor and there was no cycling; I was able to work
> uninterrupted because there was no loss of air pressure from the
> compressor. There was a constant, quiet purr from the motor as long as
> the compressor was plugged into an outlet. Maybe you're using a big,
> more powerful airbrush that requires more air?
>

The air compressor does a fine job running the air brush, but it's
usually in the garage close to the nailers rather than out in the back
building near the air brush.

>> It can be a hassle to take it to a gas station and fill
>> it if you have to every day.
>
> I agree. I think I'd rather buy a compressor and try to get a box made
> for it, cover the inside with carpet scraps as suggested and station
> the boxed compressor my balcony. (As long as the hose would be at
> least 15 feet long, because that's how far the hose would have to
> stretch to reach my stapling workstation.)
>
> Robert

A 25' coil hose costs about $10 [US] from Lowes, so even if your
compressor comes with a short hose you can simply purchase the one you
want. Almost everything uses the 1/4" connectors (except the really big
stuff), so there's a good chance if you buy something it'll fit.

Puckdropper
--
Never teach your apprentice everything you know.

FrozenNorth <[email protected]> wrote in news:holl8p$k6g$1
@news.eternal-september.org:

> You actually like those coil houses (what I called a slinky above).
>
> I always felt it was pulling back on me, so just went with a 25 foot
> straight hose, I coil it up and put it on a hook in my shop with the
> extension cords at the end of the day.
>

The original one on the compressor would go back to it's 3' length. It
would be the one that pulled back on you. The new one from Lowes has
stretched to about 10' and doesn't pull back very hard at all.

From what little experience I've had with hoses and much more with
extension cords, it seems the coil hose works better for my usage style.
The air compressor stays in one place and the hose is pulled where it's
needed and then the end is returned back to the air compressor. The rest
of the hose follows naturally.

Puckdropper
--
Never teach your apprentice everything you know.

"Robert Montgomery" <[email protected]> wrote in message
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> ChairMan wrote:
>
>> Do you need a wide crown
>> http://www.itwindfast.com/fasteners/index.cfm/fastenerseriesID/1/Staples/Heavy-Wire/1700-Series/
>> or medium/fine wire?
>> http://www.itwindfast.com/fasteners/index.cfm/subTypeID/3/Staples/Fine-Wire/
>
> Thanks, Chairman.
>
> I don't know if I need a wide or medium crown for artist's canvas
> stretching. This is one of the things that's been troubling me.
>
> I read somewhere that the wide crowns hold the fabric better.
>
> Sometimes in humid weather the cotton canvas will loosen, requiring the
> canvas to be removed from the stretcher bars and re-stretched, but I don't
> know if having wide crowns would hold the fabric tightly enough to reduce
> the loosening of the canvas.
>
> Robert



He's baaack!!

Thanks, Chris.

I'm working in my rental apartment suite, so it's not practical to ask
my neighbours to wear earplugs.

Robert


notbob wrote:
> On 2010-03-25, Chris Friesen <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>> I hope it's quieter than the medium crown stapler I used to put down
>> underlayment. It was more like "BLAM!". :)
>
> Less power, more quiet. More power, less quiet. A simple inverse
> relationship that will not change until some company stupidly comes up
> with a environmentally audio friendly design that will make the
> product even more costly. I suggest foam earplugs:
>
> http://tinyurl.com/y86r7qg
>
> These EAR earplugs are the best. From high power firing ranges to
> NHRA fuel dragsters, this is the one that will save yer ears. Screw
> tapered and round-end foam plugs. These are the ones and worth every
> freakin' cent!
>
> nb

On Mar 26, 1:51=A0pm, Robert Montgomery <info-bl...@northern-data-
tech.net> wrote:
> Max wrote:
> > "SonomaProducts.com" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> > news:cf00bc35-f292-49a2-851a-
>
> >> I just did a google search on "amazon senco stapler and compressor"
> >> and the first hot is an upholstery bundle.
> >>http://www.amazon.com/Senco-PC0973-Upholstery-Compressor-Kit/dp/B0002..=
.
>
> > I have that compressor and it's not as loud as a vacuum cleaner.
>
> > Max
>
> How often does it have to be noisy when you're stapling? I understand
> that the compressor would be noisy only when it's filling with air.
>
> How noisy is it when it's running but not filling with air?
>
> Robert

only noisy while pumping full of air. then it shuts off and waits
until drainrd down far enough to need to pump again

Robert Montgomery wrote:

>
> So I guess there isn't even one model of electric staple gun on the
> whole world that would be suitable for stretching artists' canvas?
>
> If only there were a suitable electric, I could avoid all the hassles
> of iimporting from the U.S. to Canada, plus the noise, clutter and
> lugging around a heavy compressor in my crowed apartment, building a
> box with soundpoofing and maybe even dealing with an extra tank in my
> crowded apartment and having the risk of being unhappy with the
> equipment, in which case I'd to return it to the store in the U.S.
> and pay a 20 percent restocking fee.
>

Yeahbut look at the cool stuff you'd have! I do agree with you though. For
what you need, I'd be looking at an electric stapler too. I don't use them
so I really can't offer you any advice on brand/model, but your application
should really not pose any great challenge to a decent stapler.

Take a piece of wood that you use for your frames, a bit of canvas, and head
to your nearest Home Depot. Tell the associate in the Hardware department
that you want to try a stapler or two. He'll probably recommend a model or
two from the line up that will work best for your needs, and you can compare
them. Take the one you like the best up to the cash registers, and consider
that a job well done.

--

-Mike-
[email protected]

Max wrote:
> "SonomaProducts.com" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> news:cf00bc35-f292-49a2-851a-
>
>
>
>> I just did a google search on "amazon senco stapler and compressor"
>> and the first hot is an upholstery bundle.
>> http://www.amazon.com/Senco-PC0973-Upholstery-Compressor-Kit/dp/B0002PS87U
>>
>
> I have that compressor and it's not as loud as a vacuum cleaner.
>
> Max

Thanks.

So I guess there isn't even one model of electric staple gun on the
whole world that would be suitable for stretching artists' canvas?

If only there were a suitable electric, I could avoid all the hassles of
iimporting from the U.S. to Canada, plus the noise, clutter and lugging
around a heavy compressor in my crowed apartment, building a box with
soundpoofing and maybe even dealing with an extra tank in my crowded
apartment and having the risk of being unhappy with the equipment, in
which case I'd to return it to the store in the U.S. and pay a 20
percent restocking fee.

Robert

Robert Montgomery wrote:
> Max wrote:
>> "SonomaProducts.com" <[email protected]> wrote in message
>> news:cf00bc35-f292-49a2-851a-
>>
>> I have that compressor and it's not as loud as a vacuum cleaner.
>>
>> Max
>
> How often does it have to be noisy when you're stapling? I understand
> that the compressor would be noisy only when it's filling with air.
>
> How noisy is it when it's running but not filling with air?
>

A compressor does not run unless it's to fill air.

--

-Mike-
[email protected]

Robert Montgomery wrote:
> ChairMan wrote:
>
>> Do you need a wide crown
>> http://www.itwindfast.com/fasteners/index.cfm/fastenerseriesID/1/Staples/Heavy-Wire/1700-Series/
>>
>> or medium/fine wire?
>> http://www.itwindfast.com/fasteners/index.cfm/subTypeID/3/Staples/Fine-Wire/
>
>
> Thanks, Chairman.
>
> I don't know if I need a wide or medium crown for artist's canvas
> stretching. This is one of the things that's been troubling me.
>
Also I don't know what minimum length of staples to be able to use.

I heard of a picture framer who prefers one-quarter-inch-long tines so
that he can pull the staples out of the wood if they're not seated
properly, but most of the pneumatics I've been recommended have as their
minimum tine-length 3/8ths of an inch.

And somebody in this thread even recommended a gun that shoots staples
that have tines that are a minimum of 3/4ths of an inch, which is at
least double the length that they have to be to shoot staples into
artists' stretcher bars.

Robert

On Sat, 27 Mar 2010 04:13:23 GMT, the infamous Robert Montgomery
<[email protected]> scrawled the following:

>Lee Michaels wrote:
>
>> Same thing here. It doesn't take that much air to drive a staple. Unless you
>> are going into commercial production, a little air will go a long way.
>
>I think I'd need up to 100 p.s.i to run a staple gun.

Ingy runs up to 100psi. The staplers want up to 90psi, but I pump 100
through them with the little tank filled from Ingy.

I used the stapler/nailer today with 1-1/4" nails, trimming out a
6'x23' deck on one tank. Half-round around the bottoms of the posts
and along the house and door threshold. I still had 72psi left after
shooting, hmm, maybe 60 nails. It takes about 5 minutes to fill,
getting noisier as the pump works harder at the top psi.

--
"Not always right, but never uncertain." --Heinlein
-=-=-

On Sat, 27 Mar 2010 02:22:59 GMT, the infamous Robert Montgomery
<[email protected]> scrawled the following:

>Max wrote:
>> "SonomaProducts.com" <[email protected]> wrote in message
>> news:cf00bc35-f292-49a2-851a-
>>
>>
>>
>>> I just did a google search on "amazon senco stapler and compressor"
>>> and the first hot is an upholstery bundle.
>>> http://www.amazon.com/Senco-PC0973-Upholstery-Compressor-Kit/dp/B0002PS87U
>>>
>>
>> I have that compressor and it's not as loud as a vacuum cleaner.
>>
>> Max
>
>Thanks.
>
>So I guess there isn't even one model of electric staple gun on the
>whole world that would be suitable for stretching artists' canvas?
>
>If only there were a suitable electric, I could avoid all the hassles of

Well, for 3/8" x 3/8" staples into softwood, you might be OK with an
electric, but as you said, they're heavier. You really shouldn't need
400 staples for a 6-foot frame, though.


>iimporting from the U.S. to Canada, plus the noise, clutter and lugging

Canuckistani, are ya? Go to www.PrincessAuto.com for these things.
Hmm, limited supply. Know any friends at the border? Find a nearby
Harbor Freight store.


>around a heavy compressor in my crowed apartment, building a box with
>soundpoofing and maybe even dealing with an extra tank in my crowded
>apartment and having the risk of being unhappy with the equipment, in
>which case I'd to return it to the store in the U.S. and pay a 20
>percent restocking fee.

Build a little cart for the compressor and sonic box so they're on
casters for easy movement.

--
"Not always right, but never uncertain." --Heinlein
-=-=-

On Thursday, March 25, 2010 at 10:30:47 AM UTC-7, Robert Montgomery wrote:
> What's a fairly quiet, lightweight upholstery electric staple gun that's
> powerful enough to penetrate pine?

What kind of wood? Pine includes 'southern yellow pine' which is
somewhere between white oak and red oak in toughness.
Pine also comes with knots (some of which are very hard).

> I tried the Arrow electric lithium-ion battery cordless electric, but
> it's very loud and the staples didn't penetrate the wood all the way.

What length of staples? If these are 1/2" long, and penetrated 3/8",
would you consider using shorter staples?

Percussion is the driving principle in staplers, some noise is
intrinsic to the method.

Lee Michaels wrote:

> Same thing here. It doesn't take that much air to drive a staple. Unless you
> are going into commercial production, a little air will go a long way.

I think I'd need up to 100 p.s.i to run a staple gun.

Robert

On 2010-03-25, Chris Friesen <[email protected]> wrote:

> I hope it's quieter than the medium crown stapler I used to put down
> underlayment. It was more like "BLAM!". :)

Less power, more quiet. More power, less quiet. A simple inverse
relationship that will not change until some company stupidly comes up
with a environmentally audio friendly design that will make the
product even more costly. I suggest foam earplugs:

http://tinyurl.com/y86r7qg

These EAR earplugs are the best. From high power firing ranges to
NHRA fuel dragsters, this is the one that will save yer ears. Screw
tapered and round-end foam plugs. These are the ones and worth every
freakin' cent!

nb

"Robert Montgomery" <[email protected]> wrote in message
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> Lee Michaels wrote:
>
>> Just buy a baby (pancake) compressor,
>
> Are pancakes better than hotdogs?
>
> Frozen North here recommended the Senco PC0973 Upholstery Compressor Combo
> Kit, which comes with a one-gallon, one-half horsepower, hotdog compressor
> (http://www.amazon.com/Senco-PC0973-Upholstery-Compressor-Kit/dp/B0002PS87U).
>
> How does that hotdog compare to the Campbell Hausfeld FP2028 1-Gallon
> Oil-Free Pancake Air Compressor With Accessory kit that Ed recommended
> (http://www.amazon.com/Campbell-Hausfeld-FP2028-Compressor-Accessory/dp/B000BOCBAM/ref=pd_cp_hi_3
> )?
>
> Robert

Senco has a very good reputation.

The differences are in output. The Senco is a bit higher, about .75 cfm as
opposed to the .39 of the CH model. More money = more capacity. The
higher the output, the shorter the run time to build air pressure. I don't
know the corresponding noise levels though. Either one will suit your
needs, the more expensive on will do so a little faster.

ChairMan wrote:

> Do you need a wide crown
> http://www.itwindfast.com/fasteners/index.cfm/fastenerseriesID/1/Staples/Heavy-Wire/1700-Series/
> or medium/fine wire?
> http://www.itwindfast.com/fasteners/index.cfm/subTypeID/3/Staples/Fine-Wire/

Thanks, Chairman.

I don't know if I need a wide or medium crown for artist's canvas
stretching. This is one of the things that's been troubling me.

I read somewhere that the wide crowns hold the fabric better.

Sometimes in humid weather the cotton canvas will loosen, requiring the
canvas to be removed from the stretcher bars and re-stretched, but I
don't know if having wide crowns would hold the fabric tightly enough to
reduce the loosening of the canvas.

Robert

On 2010-03-25, Robert Montgomery <[email protected]> wrote:
> Thanks, Chris.

Chris?

Heh... what the Hell, at least it's not bob. ;)

nb

Lee Michaels wrote:
> "Robert Montgomery" wrote
>> How noisy is it when it's running but not filling with air?
>>
> There is no noise associated with the spare tank. Only with the stapler. If
> you were only going to do this some of the time, why don't you just go to
> those air filling stations for the tires. You can then bring the tank home
> and staple with that.
>
> You are not building houses or cabinets. Your needs are very modest. That is
> what some of the guys who air brush do, they just fill a tank and use that.

>
> Same thing here. It doesn't take that much air to drive a staple. Unless you
> are going into commercial production, a little air will go a long way.

How much do spare tanks weigh? I don't have a car so I'd have to carry
the tank four blocks to the nearest gas station and then back home. I
have a bad back. Just today I had a chiropractic adjustment. I was in a
car accident 15 years ago, which has necessitated 200 medical
appointments and my back has been in constant pain for the last 15 years.

How does the whole thing work? You carry the tank to a gas station, fill
the tank there, bring it home and hook up the gun to the tank and
bypass the compressor? So I wouldn't need a compressor?

I might stretch a canvas every couple of days if they sell well. Some of
them could be as long as six feet and as wide as a foot and-a-half. A
40-inch-long by 18-inch-high canvas requires about a hundred staples, so
that would mean firing 300 or 400 staples per week.

Robert

"Larry Jaques" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> On Thu, 25 Mar 2010 19:58:48 GMT, the infamous Robert Montgomery
> <[email protected]> scrawled the following:
>
>>Thanks, Sonoma.
>>
>>Which Senco?
>>
>>And which compressor? I'm concerned about the noise from the
>>compressors, because I'm in a rental apartment building and I'm
>>surrounded by other tenants that I'm concerned about disturbing. That's
>>why I'm leaning toward an electric.
>
> Go with air and build a sonic box to put around the compressor.
>
> Use the stapler to tack carpet inside a plywood box. Fill up the tank
> once and use that for hours.

What about one of the CO2 tanks to supply the stapler, it sounds
like the OP needs would be fairly minimal and depending
on how sensitive/mean the neighbors are it might be a good
option.

basilisk

Mike Marlow wrote:
> Robert Montgomery wrote:
>
>> So I guess there isn't even one model of electric staple gun on the
>> whole world that would be suitable for stretching artists' canvas?
>>
>> If only there were a suitable electric, I could avoid all the hassles
>> of iimporting from the U.S. to Canada, plus the noise, clutter and
>> lugging around a heavy compressor in my crowed apartment, building a
>> box with soundpoofing and maybe even dealing with an extra tank in my
>> crowded apartment and having the risk of being unhappy with the
>> equipment, in which case I'd to return it to the store in the U.S.
>> and pay a 20 percent restocking fee.
>>
>
> Yeahbut look at the cool stuff you'd have! I do agree with you though. For
> what you need, I'd be looking at an electric stapler too. I don't use them
> so I really can't offer you any advice on brand/model, but your application
> should really not pose any great challenge to a decent stapler.
>
> Take a piece of wood that you use for your frames, a bit of canvas, and head
> to your nearest Home Depot. Tell the associate in the Hardware department
> that you want to try a stapler or two. He'll probably recommend a model or
> two from the line up that will work best for your needs, and you can compare
> them. Take the one you like the best up to the cash registers, and consider
> that a job well done.

I thought that sounded like a good idea, so I called the nearest Home
Depot and asked if I could test some the staple guns with a compressor
while in the store. The salesman told me the closest one they have to
what I need is a Paslode 3/8ths inch, 22 gauge model that weighs three
pounds.

He said he doesn't think they have anything lighter. Three pounds is too
heavy for me to hold up in the air and shoot horizontally. (I can't
rest the gun on the wood and shoot down, so I want a lighter one.)

Maybe I'll import the Senco combo package instead. They don't have any
locally.

Robert

Thanks, Sonoma.

Which Senco?

And which compressor? I'm concerned about the noise from the
compressors, because I'm in a rental apartment building and I'm
surrounded by other tenants that I'm concerned about disturbing. That's
why I'm leaning toward an electric.

Robert


SonomaProducts.com wrote:
> I would go with air power and get a Senco, p-tink.
>
> On Mar 25, 10:30 am, Robert Montgomery <info-bl...@northern-data-
> tech.net> wrote:
>> What's a fairly quiet, lightweight upholstery electric staple gun that's
>> powerful enough to penetrate pine?
>>
>> I'm an artist and I need to stretch cotton canvas over pine stretcher bars.
>>
>> I considered buying a quiet Duo-Fast E1C 3118A electric staple gun, but
>> it's too heavy. I have to hold the stretcher bar frame vertically so I
>> have one hand to pull the canvas tightly around the bars with canvas
>> pliers, so my other hand and arm have to be up in the air to fire the
>> staple gun, so that gun would be too heavy. It weighs 4.2 pounds.
>>
>> I'm considering a Maestri C7 or #8 electric gun, which are lighter.
>> Upholster.com says they're powerful enough to shoot staples into most
>> hardwoods. But I don't know how loud they are. Does anyone know how loud
>> they are compared to the Duo Fast gun?
>>
>> I tried the Arrow electric lithium-ion battery cordless electric, but
>> it's very loud and the staples didn't penetrate the wood all the way.
>>
>> Thanks.
>>
>> Robert
>

Max wrote:
> "Robert Montgomery" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> news:Pzfrn.187$z%6.139@edtnps83...
>> Lee Michaels wrote:
>>> "Robert Montgomery" wrote
>>>> How noisy is it when it's running but not filling with air?
>>
>> How much do spare tanks weigh?
>> Robert

>
> Hmm. You're beginning to sound as if you've made up your mind.

If I had made up my mind, I wouldn't continue to ask questions.

Robert

> You're probably right , Robert.
> Ain't no way you're going to find the ideal solution.
> Electric staplers aren't strong enough.
> Air staplers are too expensive.
> Compressors are too noisy.
> Air tanks are too heavy and a nuisance to take to get filled.
> You should just give up and go to work at MacDonalds.
>
> Max

Robert Montgomery wrote:
> Thanks, Sonoma.
>
> Which Senco?
>
> And which compressor? I'm concerned about the noise from the
> compressors, because I'm in a rental apartment building and I'm
> surrounded by other tenants that I'm concerned about disturbing.
> That's why I'm leaning toward an electric.
>

Leave the compressor outside and fill a portable air tank (I use a converted
Freon bottle).

Max wrote:
> "SonomaProducts.com" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> news:cf00bc35-f292-49a2-851a-
>
>
>
>> I just did a google search on "amazon senco stapler and compressor"
>> and the first hot is an upholstery bundle.
>> http://www.amazon.com/Senco-PC0973-Upholstery-Compressor-Kit/dp/B0002PS87U
>>
>
> I have that compressor and it's not as loud as a vacuum cleaner.
>
> Max

How often does it have to be noisy when you're stapling? I understand
that the compressor would be noisy only when it's filling with air.

How noisy is it when it's running but not filling with air?

Robert

I would go with air power and get a Senco, p-tink.

On Mar 25, 10:30=A0am, Robert Montgomery <info-bl...@northern-data-
tech.net> wrote:
> What's a fairly quiet, lightweight upholstery electric staple gun that's
> powerful enough to penetrate pine?
>
> I'm an artist and I need to stretch cotton canvas over pine stretcher bar=
s.
>
> I considered buying a quiet Duo-Fast E1C 3118A electric staple gun, but
> it's too heavy. I have to hold the stretcher bar frame vertically so I
> have one hand to pull the canvas tightly around the bars with canvas
> pliers, so my other hand and arm have to be up in the air to fire the
> staple gun, so that gun would be too heavy. It weighs 4.2 pounds.
>
> I'm considering a Maestri C7 or #8 electric gun, which are lighter.
> Upholster.com says they're powerful enough to shoot staples into most
> hardwoods. But I don't know how loud they are. Does anyone know how loud
> they are compared to the Duo Fast gun?
>
> I tried the Arrow electric lithium-ion battery cordless electric, but
> it's very loud and the staples didn't penetrate the wood all the way.
>
> Thanks.
>
> Robert

If you get any air compressor bundle, make sure you set the air
pressure (regulator) no more than the limit recommended for the staple
gun... or any other air tool you may use with the compressor.
Recommended pressure for a tool should be noted in a tool's manual.
Upholstery students have been known to ruin their staplers by not
paying attention to pressure limits.

Sonny

In article <[email protected]>,
notbob <[email protected]> wrote:
>On 2010-03-25, Robert Montgomery <[email protected]> wrote:
>> Thanks, Chris.
>
>Chris?

he lost an attibution -- your post was to a reply by a Chris.

And I _am_ a "Bob", but I *insist* that people spell it with only one 'o'!
<grin>

On Sun, 28 Mar 2010 16:14:03 GMT, the infamous Robert Montgomery
<[email protected]> scrawled the following:

>Larry Jaques wrote:
>> On Sat, 27 Mar 2010 16:14:11 GMT, the infamous Robert Montgomery
>> <[email protected]> scrawled the following:
>>
>
>>>>> Robert
>>>>
>>>> Hmm. You're beginning to sound as if you've made up your mind.
>>>> You're probably right , Robert.
>>>> Ain't no way you're going to find the ideal solution.
>>>> Electric staplers aren't strong enough.
>>>> Air staplers are too expensive.
>>>> Compressors are too noisy.
>>>> Air tanks are too heavy and a nuisance to take to get filled.
>>>> You should just give up and go to work at MacDonalds.
>>>>
>>>> Max
>>> I haven't made up my mind. I'm looking at all possibilities. That's also
>>> called brainstorming. Brainstorming means being open to all
>>> possibilities It's also known as "thinking outside the box".
>>>
>>> I'll give you an example. When I was researching mounting art prints on
>>> a board, most people I consulted insisted that drymounting is the only
>>> way to go. Drymounting was not a good solution for me because it
>>> requires a large, expensive vaccuum table which I don't have enough
>>> space for, and contracting out the drymounting would not be a good
>>> option because I'd have to rely on an off-site sub-contractor and
>>> frequent trips off-site.
>>>
>>> By researching thoroughly and keeping my options open, I found a
>>> suitable alternative: gluing the art prints to Gatorboard (that I
>>> custom-cut form four-by-eight foot Gatorboard sheets) using an art
>>> knife, and gluing the art prints to the board with an archival,
>>> museum-grade acrylic co-polymer adhesive and ordering custom picture
>>> frame from a wholesale picture framer.
>>>
>>>
>>> Also, I have to research carefully because often people's
>>> recommendations are bad. I went with people's recommendations and so far
>>> they've all been unsuitable. Recommended to me were manual Stanley
>>> Sharpshooter staplers, manual Sears Craftsman Easy-Fire staplers, manual
>>> Arrow JT-21 staplers and Arrow electric lithium-ion. I tried them all
>>> and none of them turned out to be good solutions and I ended up
>>> returning three out of those four staplers. (I'm still using the Arrow
>>> JT-21 manual.)
>>>
>>> Being a picky perfectionist has helped me to become a successful artist.
>>> And why should I give up and work at McDonald's? About a million dollars
>>> worth of my art and associated picture framing have sold. Ain't no way
>>> I'm giving up to work at McDonald's! (I will occasionally eat McDonald's
>>> food, though, when I feel like pigging out. :-))
>>
>> Robert, if you're a millionaire, why the hell are you renting, and
>> why quibble over this? Just Do It!
>
>> -=-=-
>
>I didn't even vaguely imply that I'm a millionaire. Quite the opposite;
>I'm broke because of the Great Recession, as I've dubbed it, and my
>industry has been particularly hard-hit worldwide because I produce
>luxury items. That's especially why I need to be careful with purchasing
>decisions.
>
>Only people who are naive about running a business would assume that a
>farmer, real estate agent, musician, artist - or whatever occupation -
>who has been responsible for the sales and spin-off sales (picture
>framing in my case) of a million dollars worth of their products is a
>millionaire.
>
>You're confusing gross sales with net profit.
>
>And even if I had personally gotten the million dollars – which I didn't
>– you're assuming that I still have all of the money I earned, which I
>don't.
>
>I also wrote that part of the million dollars was for "associated
>picture framing". I didn't get any of that money, and it accounts for
>about $750,000 of the million. But the fact the picture framers and
>retail art buyers were willing to pay $750,000 for the framing of my art
>shows that I created and published shows that I generally know what I'm
>doing and that it's an insult to be told that I should give up my career
>to work at McDonald's – simply because I'm pointing out drawbacks of
>various options and resaearching carefully before deciding what
>equipment to buy.
>
> > "Not always right, but never uncertain." --Heinlein
>
>That attitude implies that there are only blacks and whites, whereas in
>fact most issues are various shades of gray. It's a simplistic viewpoint.
>
>Your gross misinterpretation in assuming that I'm a millionaire because
>I wrote a million dollars worth of my art – and the picture framing that
>went with it - has sold, clearly shows why the attitude "Not always
>right, but never uncertain" is foolish, because you haven't considered
>all of the various, possible gray areas that can apply to my statement
>that a million dollars worth of my products and associated products have
>sold.

Robert, haven't you heard of Robert Heinlein, the famous science
fiction author? That's his humorous wit. Don't you like it?

OK, you said nothing about selling real estate <g> but when you said
"my art" I figured it was -your- artistry on top of -your- framing so
-you- were the majority shareholder in its sale. Shame on you for
misleading me, eh? I doubt I was the only one here which was misled.

Ciao!

--
"Not always right, but never uncertain." --Heinlein
-=-=-

On Mar 25, 12:58=A0pm, Robert Montgomery <info-bl...@northern-data-
tech.net> wrote:
> Thanks, Sonoma.
>
> Which Senco?
>
> And which compressor? I'm concerned about the noise from the
> compressors, because I'm in a rental apartment building and I'm
> surrounded by other tenants that I'm concerned about disturbing. That's
> why I'm leaning toward an electric.
>
> Robert
>
>
>
> SonomaProducts.com wrote:
> > I would go with air power and get a Senco, p-tink.
>
> > On Mar 25, 10:30 am, Robert Montgomery <info-bl...@northern-data-
> > tech.net> wrote:
> >> What's a fairly quiet, lightweight upholstery electric staple gun that=
's
> >> powerful enough to penetrate pine?
>
> >> I'm an artist and I need to stretch cotton canvas over pine stretcher =
bars.
>
> >> I considered buying a quiet Duo-Fast E1C 3118A electric staple gun, bu=
t
> >> it's too heavy. I have to hold the stretcher bar frame vertically so I
> >> have one hand to pull the canvas tightly around the bars with canvas
> >> pliers, so my other hand and arm have to be up in the air to fire the
> >> staple gun, so that gun would be too heavy. It weighs 4.2 pounds.
>
> >> I'm considering a Maestri C7 or #8 electric gun, which are lighter.
> >> Upholster.com says they're powerful enough to shoot staples into most
> >> hardwoods. But I don't know how loud they are. Does anyone know how lo=
ud
> >> they are compared to the Duo Fast gun?
>
> >> I tried the Arrow electric lithium-ion battery cordless electric, but
> >> it's very loud and the staples didn't penetrate the wood all the way.
>
> >> Thanks.
>
> >> Robert- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -

The ones I use are the blam type but of all the small nail guns and
staple guns I've been around the senco's are the quietest, the porter
cables the loudest. I would say the smallest model that shoots staples
big enough for your task.

I would suppose what they call a pancake compressor would be plenty.
You can often find combo packs.

I just did a google search on "amazon senco stapler and compressor"
and the first hot is an upholstery bundle.
http://www.amazon.com/Senco-PC0973-Upholstery-Compressor-Kit/dp/B0002PS87U

>
> I just did a google search on "amazon senco stapler and compressor"
> and the first hot is an upholstery bundle.http://www.amazon.com/Senco-PC0973-Upholstery-Compressor-Kit/dp/B0002...- Hide quoted text -
>

That bundle looks great. Several upholstery students have similar set-
ups and they are excellent. That compressor won't run too long,
either, for a noise concern, especially if you pad the floor, as
suggested.

If you have a canvas to attach, now, some small tacks should work just
fine. Tacks are still often used in upholstery today, in tight places
the stapler can't reach properly. I wouldn't recommend using aluminum
tacks.

Sonny

I'm an upholsterer and I've had a Senco SWF10XP ($125) for 5 years.
Excellent air stapler and it uses a variety of staple brands (Senco C,
FASCO 7C, BEA 71, and others).

Sonny

Lee Michaels wrote:

> Just buy a baby (pancake) compressor,

Are pancakes better than hotdogs?

Frozen North here recommended the Senco PC0973 Upholstery Compressor
Combo Kit, which comes with a one-gallon, one-half horsepower, hotdog
compressor
(http://www.amazon.com/Senco-PC0973-Upholstery-Compressor-Kit/dp/B0002PS87U).

How does that hotdog compare to the Campbell Hausfeld FP2028 1-Gallon
Oil-Free Pancake Air Compressor With Accessory kit that Ed recommended
(http://www.amazon.com/Campbell-Hausfeld-FP2028-Compressor-Accessory/dp/B000BOCBAM/ref=pd_cp_hi_3
)?

Robert

Larry Jaques wrote:
> On Sat, 27 Mar 2010 16:14:11 GMT, the infamous Robert Montgomery
> <[email protected]> scrawled the following:
>

>>>> Robert
>>>
>>> Hmm. You're beginning to sound as if you've made up your mind.
>>> You're probably right , Robert.
>>> Ain't no way you're going to find the ideal solution.
>>> Electric staplers aren't strong enough.
>>> Air staplers are too expensive.
>>> Compressors are too noisy.
>>> Air tanks are too heavy and a nuisance to take to get filled.
>>> You should just give up and go to work at MacDonalds.
>>>
>>> Max
>> I haven't made up my mind. I'm looking at all possibilities. That's also
>> called brainstorming. Brainstorming means being open to all
>> possibilities It's also known as "thinking outside the box".
>>
>> I'll give you an example. When I was researching mounting art prints on
>> a board, most people I consulted insisted that drymounting is the only
>> way to go. Drymounting was not a good solution for me because it
>> requires a large, expensive vaccuum table which I don't have enough
>> space for, and contracting out the drymounting would not be a good
>> option because I'd have to rely on an off-site sub-contractor and
>> frequent trips off-site.
>>
>> By researching thoroughly and keeping my options open, I found a
>> suitable alternative: gluing the art prints to Gatorboard (that I
>> custom-cut form four-by-eight foot Gatorboard sheets) using an art
>> knife, and gluing the art prints to the board with an archival,
>> museum-grade acrylic co-polymer adhesive and ordering custom picture
>> frame from a wholesale picture framer.
>>
>>
>> Also, I have to research carefully because often people's
>> recommendations are bad. I went with people's recommendations and so far
>> they've all been unsuitable. Recommended to me were manual Stanley
>> Sharpshooter staplers, manual Sears Craftsman Easy-Fire staplers, manual
>> Arrow JT-21 staplers and Arrow electric lithium-ion. I tried them all
>> and none of them turned out to be good solutions and I ended up
>> returning three out of those four staplers. (I'm still using the Arrow
>> JT-21 manual.)
>>
>> Being a picky perfectionist has helped me to become a successful artist.
>> And why should I give up and work at McDonald's? About a million dollars
>> worth of my art and associated picture framing have sold. Ain't no way
>> I'm giving up to work at McDonald's! (I will occasionally eat McDonald's
>> food, though, when I feel like pigging out. :-))
>
> Robert, if you're a millionaire, why the hell are you renting, and
> why quibble over this? Just Do It!

> -=-=-

I didn't even vaguely imply that I'm a millionaire. Quite the opposite;
I'm broke because of the Great Recession, as I've dubbed it, and my
industry has been particularly hard-hit worldwide because I produce
luxury items. That's especially why I need to be careful with purchasing
decisions.

Only people who are naive about running a business would assume that a
farmer, real estate agent, musician, artist - or whatever occupation -
who has been responsible for the sales and spin-off sales (picture
framing in my case) of a million dollars worth of their products is a
millionaire.

You're confusing gross sales with net profit.

And even if I had personally gotten the million dollars – which I didn't
– you're assuming that I still have all of the money I earned, which I
don't.

I also wrote that part of the million dollars was for "associated
picture framing". I didn't get any of that money, and it accounts for
about $750,000 of the million. But the fact the picture framers and
retail art buyers were willing to pay $750,000 for the framing of my art
shows that I created and published shows that I generally know what I'm
doing and that it's an insult to be told that I should give up my career
to work at McDonald's – simply because I'm pointing out drawbacks of
various options and resaearching carefully before deciding what
equipment to buy.

> "Not always right, but never uncertain." --Heinlein

That attitude implies that there are only blacks and whites, whereas in
fact most issues are various shades of gray. It's a simplistic viewpoint.

Your gross misinterpretation in assuming that I'm a millionaire because
I wrote a million dollars worth of my art – and the picture framing that
went with it - has sold, clearly shows why the attitude "Not always
right, but never uncertain" is foolish, because you haven't considered
all of the various, possible gray areas that can apply to my statement
that a million dollars worth of my products and associated products have
sold.

Robert

On Thu, 25 Mar 2010 19:58:48 GMT, the infamous Robert Montgomery
<[email protected]> scrawled the following:

>Thanks, Sonoma.
>
>Which Senco?
>
>And which compressor? I'm concerned about the noise from the
>compressors, because I'm in a rental apartment building and I'm
>surrounded by other tenants that I'm concerned about disturbing. That's
>why I'm leaning toward an electric.

Go with air and build a sonic box to put around the compressor.

Use the stapler to tack carpet inside a plywood box. Fill up the tank
once and use that for hours.

--
Challenges are gifts that force us to search for a new center of gravity.
Don't fight them. Just find a different way to stand.
-- Oprah Winfrey

On 03/25/2010 12:27 PM, SonomaProducts.com wrote:
> I would go with air power and get a Senco, p-tink.

I hope it's quieter than the medium crown stapler I used to put down
underlayment. It was more like "BLAM!". :)

Chris

On 3/25/10 4:34 PM, SonomaProducts.com wrote:
> On Mar 25, 12:58 pm, Robert Montgomery<info-bl...@northern-data-
> tech.net> wrote:
>> Thanks, Sonoma.
>>
>> Which Senco?
>>
>> And which compressor? I'm concerned about the noise from the
>> compressors, because I'm in a rental apartment building and I'm
>> surrounded by other tenants that I'm concerned about disturbing. That's
>> why I'm leaning toward an electric.
>>
>> Robert
>>
>>
>>
>> SonomaProducts.com wrote:
>>> I would go with air power and get a Senco, p-tink.
>>
>>> On Mar 25, 10:30 am, Robert Montgomery<info-bl...@northern-data-
>>> tech.net> wrote:
>>>> What's a fairly quiet, lightweight upholstery electric staple gun that's
>>>> powerful enough to penetrate pine?
>>
>>>> I'm an artist and I need to stretch cotton canvas over pine stretcher bars.
>>
>>>> I considered buying a quiet Duo-Fast E1C 3118A electric staple gun, but
>>>> it's too heavy. I have to hold the stretcher bar frame vertically so I
>>>> have one hand to pull the canvas tightly around the bars with canvas
>>>> pliers, so my other hand and arm have to be up in the air to fire the
>>>> staple gun, so that gun would be too heavy. It weighs 4.2 pounds.
>>
>>>> I'm considering a Maestri C7 or #8 electric gun, which are lighter.
>>>> Upholster.com says they're powerful enough to shoot staples into most
>>>> hardwoods. But I don't know how loud they are. Does anyone know how loud
>>>> they are compared to the Duo Fast gun?
>>
>>>> I tried the Arrow electric lithium-ion battery cordless electric, but
>>>> it's very loud and the staples didn't penetrate the wood all the way.
>>
>>>> Thanks.
>>
>>>> Robert- Hide quoted text -
>>
>> - Show quoted text -
>
> The ones I use are the blam type but of all the small nail guns and
> staple guns I've been around the senco's are the quietest, the porter
> cables the loudest. I would say the smallest model that shoots staples
> big enough for your task.
>
> I would suppose what they call a pancake compressor would be plenty.
> You can often find combo packs.
>
> I just did a google search on "amazon senco stapler and compressor"
> and the first hot is an upholstery bundle.
> http://www.amazon.com/Senco-PC0973-Upholstery-Compressor-Kit/dp/B0002PS87U

Someone else may have some other ideas, but if you at least put the
compressor on top of a couple layers or scrap carpet, it will help
nullify some of the vibration going through the floor, when it is
running, not so much for the noise though. Maybe putting the compressor
on a balcony (assuming you have one) will help as well, after all just
the hose & gun have to come inside.

--
Froz...


The system will be down for 10 days for preventive maintenance.

On 3/27/10 11:48 AM, Robert Montgomery wrote:
> Puckdropper wrote:
>
>>
>> I have a 5 gallon tank I use for my air brush. It lets me have several
>> minutes of run time before I have to take it back over to the
>> compressor and fill it up.
>
> Thanks, Puckdropper.
>
> I'm curious to know why your compressor alone wouldn't have enough air
> to power your airbrush. I airbrushed about 20 years ago, using a little
> Badger compressor and there was no cycling; I was able to work
> uninterrupted because there was no loss of air pressure from the
> compressor. There was a constant, quiet purr from the motor as long as
> the compressor was plugged into an outlet. Maybe you're using a big,
> more powerful airbrush that requires more air?
>
> It can be a hassle to take it to a gas station and fill
>> it if you have to every day.
>
> I agree. I think I'd rather buy a compressor and try to get a box made
> for it, cover the inside with carpet scraps as suggested and station the
> boxed compressor my balcony. (As long as the hose would be at least 15
> feet long, because that's how far the hose would have to stretch to
> reach my stapling workstation.)
>
That should work, some cheaper small compressors come with these plastic
slinky type
hoses, I know mine did. FWIW mine is a 6.5 gallon Bostitch kit that
came with a brad
nailer & staple gun. Used that POS hose once, replaced it with a 25`
Paslode hose
and have never looked back.

--
Froz...


The system will be down for 10 days for preventive maintenance.

On 3/27/10 2:59 PM, Puckdropper wrote:
> Robert Montgomery<[email protected]> wrote in
> news:vNprn.366$Z6.1@edtnps82:
>
>> Puckdropper wrote:
>>
>>>
>>> I have a 5 gallon tank I use for my air brush. It lets me have
>>> several minutes of run time before I have to take it back over to the
>>> compressor and fill it up.
>>
>> Thanks, Puckdropper.
>>
>> I'm curious to know why your compressor alone wouldn't have enough air
>> to power your airbrush. I airbrushed about 20 years ago, using a
>> little Badger compressor and there was no cycling; I was able to work
>> uninterrupted because there was no loss of air pressure from the
>> compressor. There was a constant, quiet purr from the motor as long as
>> the compressor was plugged into an outlet. Maybe you're using a big,
>> more powerful airbrush that requires more air?
>>
>
> The air compressor does a fine job running the air brush, but it's
> usually in the garage close to the nailers rather than out in the back
> building near the air brush.
>
>>> It can be a hassle to take it to a gas station and fill
>>> it if you have to every day.
>>
>> I agree. I think I'd rather buy a compressor and try to get a box made
>> for it, cover the inside with carpet scraps as suggested and station
>> the boxed compressor my balcony. (As long as the hose would be at
>> least 15 feet long, because that's how far the hose would have to
>> stretch to reach my stapling workstation.)
>>
>> Robert
>
> A 25' coil hose costs about $10 [US] from Lowes, so even if your
> compressor comes with a short hose you can simply purchase the one you
> want. Almost everything uses the 1/4" connectors (except the really big
> stuff), so there's a good chance if you buy something it'll fit.
>
You actually like those coil houses (what I called a slinky above).

I always felt it was pulling back on me, so just went with a 25 foot
straight hose, I coil it up and put it on a hook in my shop with the
extension cords at the end of the day.

--
Froz...


The system will be down for 10 days for preventive maintenance.

On 3/27/10 4:01 PM, Puckdropper wrote:
> FrozenNorth<[email protected]> wrote in news:holl8p$k6g$1
> @news.eternal-september.org:
>
>> You actually like those coil houses (what I called a slinky above).
>>
>> I always felt it was pulling back on me, so just went with a 25 foot
>> straight hose, I coil it up and put it on a hook in my shop with the
>> extension cords at the end of the day.
>>
>
> The original one on the compressor would go back to it's 3' length. It
> would be the one that pulled back on you. The new one from Lowes has
> stretched to about 10' and doesn't pull back very hard at all.
>
> From what little experience I've had with hoses and much more with
> extension cords, it seems the coil hose works better for my usage style.
> The air compressor stays in one place and the hose is pulled where it's
> needed and then the end is returned back to the air compressor. The rest
> of the hose follows naturally.
>
If that new hose works that way, good for you, it all depends upon how you
work of course.

I like to be able to put the nail gun down, expect it to stay there, so
I can come back with the next piece, pick it up and carry on. In the
case of upholstery, which is what started this thread, I can see the
advantage in that as well since you can put the tool down, pull/adjust
the fabric and the tool is still there.

Not trying to argue (enough of that in here lately), just different
stokes, different folks.

--
Froz...


The system will be down for 10 days for preventive maintenance.

"Robert Montgomery" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:Yvwrn.395$Z6.196@edtnps82...
> Max wrote:
>> "Robert Montgomery" <[email protected]> wrote in message
>> news:Pzfrn.187$z%6.139@edtnps83...
>>> Lee Michaels wrote:
>>>> "Robert Montgomery" wrote
>>>>> How noisy is it when it's running but not filling with air?
>>>
>>> How much do spare tanks weigh? Robert
>
>>
>> Hmm. You're beginning to sound as if you've made up your mind.
>
> If I had made up my mind, I wouldn't continue to ask questions.
>
> Robert

If you would like an unbiased opinion: based on what I read, I'd try the
compressor--
maybe with an extra tank. Good luck!



>
>> You're probably right , Robert.
>> Ain't no way you're going to find the ideal solution.
>> Electric staplers aren't strong enough.
>> Air staplers are too expensive.
>> Compressors are too noisy.
>> Air tanks are too heavy and a nuisance to take to get filled.
>> You should just give up and go to work at MacDonalds.
>>
>> Max

> You're confusing gross sales with net profit.
>
> And even if I had personally gotten the million dollars – which I didn't –
> you're assuming that I still have all of the money I earned, which I
> don't.


You've convinced me even, before I read all this, that you are someone
who will get their money's worth from a compressor. Indeed, it sounds
like you can't afford not to own one (unless you know where you can borrow
one). FWIW, I would get an "oil-free" model. Good luck!


Bill

Lee Michaels wrote:
> I had a friend who had a volkswagon and he got tired of people ignoring him.
> So he went to the junk yard and got an air horn from a big Mack truck.
>
>
My brother brought home an electric truck horn once. He was afraid to
hook it up so I touched the wires to the battery of my dad's Traveall.
Just about peed my pants it was so loud. Dropped the dang thing and
both of us just stared at each other.

"Robert Montgomery" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:0lJsn.615$Z6.6@edtnps82...
> Bill wrote:
> FWIW, I would get an "oil-free" model. Good luck!
>>
>>
>> Bill
>
> Why oil-free? Someone wrote that oil-free models tend to be louder than
> oil models, and I want to get one that's a s quiet as possible.
>
> Robert

I wasn't aware of the volume difference. I was trying to direct you towards
one which is low in maintenance--the oil models need need to be maintained
much like as an appliance such as a lawnmower. However, I believe the oil
models are less expensive. Hope you'll mention what you end up choosing and
how it works out!

Best,
Bill

"Bill" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
>
> "Robert Montgomery" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> news:0lJsn.615$Z6.6@edtnps82...
>> Bill wrote:
>> FWIW, I would get an "oil-free" model. Good luck!
>>>
>>>
>>> Bill
>>
>> Why oil-free? Someone wrote that oil-free models tend to be louder than
>> oil models, and I want to get one that's a s quiet as possible.
>>
>> Robert
>
> I wasn't aware of the volume difference. I was trying to direct you
> towards
> one which is low in maintenance--the oil models need need to be maintained
> much like as an appliance such as a lawnmower. However, I believe the oil
> models are less expensive. Hope you'll mention what you end up choosing
> and
> how it works out!
>
> Best,
> Bill
>

Suggestion: Buy a compressor first, then it you decide you want one, buy a
tank later.

Bill wrote:
...

> I wasn't aware of the volume difference. I was trying to direct you towards
> one which is low in maintenance--the oil models need need to be maintained
> much like as an appliance such as a lawnmower. However, I believe the oil
> models are less expensive. ...

I'd agree that an oilless will be significantly noisier than a
comparably-sized oiler compressor.

I'd not put much stock on the amount of routine maintenance an oil
compressor will have--it's certainly not using oil in the same way as a
combustion engine and rarely needs any attention.

Cost will depend more on capacity than oil/no-oil I think altho oilless
compressors are smaller and hence less expensive as a general comparison
of types/styles overall.

If noise is an issue, any compressor will make some and there's probably
not a lot of actual difference in level. I think oilless tend to be
more annoying in the noise they do make, however, as well as being loud.
The 5-hp upright (oil, of course) isn't nearly as annoying as the
little 2HP or so Lowe's-special Campbell-Hausfield oilless.

I've not had one of the pancakes of anybody's so can't really compare there.

--

dpb wrote:
> Bill wrote:
> ....
>
>> I wasn't aware of the volume difference. I was trying to direct you
>> towards
>> one which is low in maintenance--the oil models need need to be
>> maintained
>> much like as an appliance such as a lawnmower. However, I believe the oil
>> models are less expensive. ...
>
> I'd agree that an oilless will be significantly noisier than a
> comparably-sized oiler compressor.
>
> I'd not put much stock on the amount of routine maintenance an oil
> compressor will have--it's certainly not using oil in the same way as a
> combustion engine and rarely needs any attention.
>
> Cost will depend more on capacity than oil/no-oil I think altho oilless
> compressors are smaller and hence less expensive as a general comparison
> of types/styles overall.
>
> If noise is an issue, any compressor will make some and there's probably
> not a lot of actual difference in level. I think oilless tend to be
> more annoying in the noise they do make, however, as well as being loud.
> The 5-hp upright (oil, of course) isn't nearly as annoying as the
> little 2HP or so Lowe's-special Campbell-Hausfield oilless.
>
>
> --

jpb, Thank you for taking the time to explain some of these things.
Much of my opinion was based on reading a few dozen reviews at Amazon,
Sears, and other places. I would value "less annoying noise" and am
glad to learn it is an option! : )

Bill

"Robert Montgomery" <[email protected]> wrote

> How much do spare tanks weigh? I don't have a car so I'd have to carry the
> tank four blocks to the nearest gas station and then back home. I have a
> bad back. Just today I had a chiropractic adjustment. I was in a car
> accident 15 years ago, which has necessitated 200 medical appointments and
> my back has been in constant pain for the last 15 years.
>
> How does the whole thing work? You carry the tank to a gas station, fill
> the tank there, bring it home and hook up the gun to the tank and bypass
> the compressor? So I wouldn't need a compressor?
>
> I might stretch a canvas every couple of days if they sell well. Some of
> them could be as long as six feet and as wide as a foot and-a-half. A
> 40-inch-long by 18-inch-high canvas requires about a hundred staples, so
> that would mean firing 300 or 400 staples per week.
>
> Robert

It will weigh about 12 pounds or so for a 5 gallon tank. Cost about $60.
Rather than carry it that distance, I'd buy a small compressor and let the
tank fill during the day when your neighbors would not be bothered by it.

Two solutions. Buy a pancake compressor with a large enough tank to hold
you, or buy a smaller compressor and an auxiliary tank to use
http://www.amazon.com/Campbell-Hausfeld-FP2028-Compressor-Accessory/dp/B000BOCBAM/ref=pd_cp_hi_3

On Fri, 26 Mar 2010 20:49:34 GMT, the infamous Robert Montgomery
<[email protected]> scrawled the following:

>Larry Jaques wrote:
>> On Thu, 25 Mar 2010 17:30:47 GMT, the infamous Robert Montgomery
>> <[email protected]> scrawled the following:
>>
>>> What's a fairly quiet, lightweight upholstery electric staple gun that's
>>> powerful enough to penetrate pine?
>>>
>>> I'm an artist and I need to stretch cotton canvas over pine stretcher bars.
>>
>> Repeat after me: Electric staple guns don't work reliably.
>>
>> Get a little compressor, an extra 5 gallon tank, and a $30 Harbor
>> Freight 1/2" crown stapler (I love mine) and you're in business.
>> http://www.harborfreight.com/cpi/ctaf/displayitem.taf?Itemnumber=97572
>> http://www.harborfreight.com/cpi/ctaf/displayitem.taf?Itemnumber=65594
>>
>>
>>
>>> I considered buying a quiet Duo-Fast E1C 3118A electric staple gun, but
>>> it's too heavy. I have to hold the stretcher bar frame vertically so I
>>> have one hand to pull the canvas tightly around the bars with canvas
>>> pliers, so my other hand and arm have to be up in the air to fire the
>>> staple gun, so that gun would be too heavy. It weighs 4.2 pounds.
>>
>> Oh, the HF gun weighs about 2 pounds but feels closer to 1 pound. I
>> use a lightweight 1/4" air line for the tank. It's even lighter than a
>> copper cord for a corded tool like my drill.
>>
>> I've also used my HF 1/4" crown stapler for upholstery to good effect.
>> http://www.harborfreight.com/cpi/ctaf/displayitem.taf?Itemnumber=97524
>
>Thanks, Larry.
>
>That stapler takes minimum 3/4-inch staples, which is at least twice as
>long as the longest staples I would use. I want short staples so that I
>can extract them easily if they don't seat properly.

I shoot half inchers it mine all the time. <shrug> For canvas, I
think I'd prefer the (97572) 1/2" crown stapler. That's what I use for
most upholstery work, like the barstool seatcovers and my dining set
chairs. It's a nice little stapler, and is quieter than the others.


>> My 3/4HP Ingersoll Rand airless compressor will fill up the tank to
>> 100psi. I can then take the tank and hose anywhere and run about 100
>> staples from the gun before needing a refill. It stops working well at
>> roughly 50psi.
>
>How would the extra tank work with the compressor? How much noise do
>they make?

Ingy is noisy, as most airlesses are. I hook the tank up to the
compressor and fill it, then turn the compressor off and use the tank
wherever.

I keep saying I'm going to build the sonic box for my big HF
compressor but I never get around to it. I step over the carpet for
it all the time. <sigh> It's essentially a pair of open-ended, open-
bottomed boxes, one larger than the other by 4" in width and 4" in
height. The openings let air in (for cooling the compressor and
providing the compressed air) and the carpeted innards take out about
9DB of noise, so the compressor is one eighth as noisy.

I should do that this weekend. I need to move that plywood anyway.
<g>


>> --
>> Challenges are gifts that force us to search for a new center of gravity.
>> Don't fight them. Just find a different way to stand.
> -- Oprah Winfrey
>
>I hate challenges, because they make life very difficult.
> --Robert Montgomery

Wuss. ;)

--
"Not always right, but never uncertain." --Heinlein
-=-=-

In news:Yvwrn.395$Z6.196@edtnps82,
Robert Montgomery <[email protected]>spewed forth:
> Max wrote:
>> "Robert Montgomery" <[email protected]> wrote in
>> message news:Pzfrn.187$z%6.139@edtnps83...
>>> Lee Michaels wrote:
>>>> "Robert Montgomery" wrote
>>>>> How noisy is it when it's running but not filling with air?
>>>
>>> How much do spare tanks weigh?
>>> Robert
>
>>
>> Hmm. You're beginning to sound as if you've made up your mind.
>
> If I had made up my mind, I wouldn't continue to ask questions.
>
> Robert
>
>> You're probably right , Robert.
>> Ain't no way you're going to find the ideal solution.
>> Electric staplers aren't strong enough.
>> Air staplers are too expensive.
>> Compressors are too noisy.
>> Air tanks are too heavy and a nuisance to take to get filled.
>> You should just give up and go to work at MacDonalds.
>>
>> Max

Robert,
Check the pawn shops, you can find some good deals there.
What part of the country are you in? I'll send ya a staple gun.
If your only doing a few frames a week, do them during the day when most
people are at work and you shouldn't have to worry about the noise.
It shouldn't take more than an hour or so to stretch several many frames.
Do you need a wide crown
http://www.itwindfast.com/fasteners/index.cfm/fastenerseriesID/1/Staples/Heavy-Wire/1700-Series/
or medium/fine wire?
http://www.itwindfast.com/fasteners/index.cfm/subTypeID/3/Staples/Fine-Wire/

Max wrote:
> "Robert Montgomery" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> news:Pzfrn.187$z%6.139@edtnps83...
>> Lee Michaels wrote:
>>> "Robert Montgomery" wrote
>>>> How noisy is it when it's running but not filling with air?
>>>>
>>> There is no noise associated with the spare tank. Only with the
>>> stapler. If you were only going to do this some of the time, why
>>> don't you just go to those air filling stations for the tires. You
>>> can then bring the tank home and staple with that.
>>>
>>> You are not building houses or cabinets. Your needs are very modest.
>>> That is what some of the guys who air brush do, they just fill a tank
>>> and use that.
>>
>>>
>>> Same thing here. It doesn't take that much air to drive a staple.
>>> Unless you are going into commercial production, a little air will go
>>> a long way.
>>
>> How much do spare tanks weigh? I don't have a car so I'd have to carry
>> the tank four blocks to the nearest gas station and then back home. I
>> have a bad back. Just today I had a chiropractic adjustment. I was in
>> a car accident 15 years ago, which has necessitated 200 medical
>> appointments and my back has been in constant pain for the last 15 years.
>>
>> How does the whole thing work? You carry the tank to a gas station,
>> fill the tank there, bring it home and hook up the gun to the tank and
>> bypass the compressor? So I wouldn't need a compressor?
>>
>> I might stretch a canvas every couple of days if they sell well. Some
>> of them could be as long as six feet and as wide as a foot and-a-half.
>> A 40-inch-long by 18-inch-high canvas requires about a hundred
>> staples, so that would mean firing 300 or 400 staples per week.
>>
>> Robert
>
>
> Hmm. You're beginning to sound as if you've made up your mind.
> You're probably right , Robert.
> Ain't no way you're going to find the ideal solution.
> Electric staplers aren't strong enough.
> Air staplers are too expensive.
> Compressors are too noisy.
> Air tanks are too heavy and a nuisance to take to get filled.
> You should just give up and go to work at MacDonalds.
>
> Max

I haven't made up my mind. I'm looking at all possibilities. That's also
called brainstorming. Brainstorming means being open to all
possibilities It's also known as "thinking outside the box".

I'll give you an example. When I was researching mounting art prints on
a board, most people I consulted insisted that drymounting is the only
way to go. Drymounting was not a good solution for me because it
requires a large, expensive vaccuum table which I don't have enough
space for, and contracting out the drymounting would not be a good
option because I'd have to rely on an off-site sub-contractor and
frequent trips off-site.

By researching thoroughly and keeping my options open, I found a
suitable alternative: gluing the art prints to Gatorboard (that I
custom-cut form four-by-eight foot Gatorboard sheets) using an art
knife, and gluing the art prints to the board with an archival,
museum-grade acrylic co-polymer adhesive and ordering custom picture
frame from a wholesale picture framer.


Also, I have to research carefully because often people's
recommendations are bad. I went with people's recommendations and so far
they've all been unsuitable. Recommended to me were manual Stanley
Sharpshooter staplers, manual Sears Craftsman Easy-Fire staplers, manual
Arrow JT-21 staplers and Arrow electric lithium-ion. I tried them all
and none of them turned out to be good solutions and I ended up
returning three out of those four staplers. (I'm still using the Arrow
JT-21 manual.)

Being a picky perfectionist has helped me to become a successful artist.
And why should I give up and work at McDonald's? About a million dollars
worth of my art and associated picture framing have sold. Ain't no way
I'm giving up to work at McDonald's! (I will occasionally eat McDonald's
food, though, when I feel like pigging out. :-))

Robert

On Thu, 25 Mar 2010 13:34:41 -0700 (PDT), "SonomaProducts.com"
<[email protected]> wrote:

>On Mar 25, 12:58 pm, Robert Montgomery <info-bl...@northern-data-
>tech.net> wrote:
>> Thanks, Sonoma.
>>
>> Which Senco?
>>
>> And which compressor? I'm concerned about the noise from the
>> compressors, because I'm in a rental apartment building and I'm
>> surrounded by other tenants that I'm concerned about disturbing. That's
>> why I'm leaning toward an electric.
>>
>> Robert
>>
>>
>>
>> SonomaProducts.com wrote:
>> > I would go with air power and get a Senco, p-tink.
>>
>> > On Mar 25, 10:30 am, Robert Montgomery <info-bl...@northern-data-
>> > tech.net> wrote:
>> >> What's a fairly quiet, lightweight upholstery electric staple gun that's
>> >> powerful enough to penetrate pine?
>>
>> >> I'm an artist and I need to stretch cotton canvas over pine stretcher bars.
>>
>> >> I considered buying a quiet Duo-Fast E1C 3118A electric staple gun, but
>> >> it's too heavy. I have to hold the stretcher bar frame vertically so I
>> >> have one hand to pull the canvas tightly around the bars with canvas
>> >> pliers, so my other hand and arm have to be up in the air to fire the
>> >> staple gun, so that gun would be too heavy. It weighs 4.2 pounds.
>>
>> >> I'm considering a Maestri C7 or #8 electric gun, which are lighter.
>> >> Upholster.com says they're powerful enough to shoot staples into most
>> >> hardwoods. But I don't know how loud they are. Does anyone know how loud
>> >> they are compared to the Duo Fast gun?
>>
>> >> I tried the Arrow electric lithium-ion battery cordless electric, but
>> >> it's very loud and the staples didn't penetrate the wood all the way.
>>
>> >> Thanks.
>>
>> >> Robert- Hide quoted text -
>>
>> - Show quoted text -
>
>The ones I use are the blam type but of all the small nail guns and
>staple guns I've been around the senco's are the quietest, the porter
>cables the loudest. I would say the smallest model that shoots staples
>big enough for your task.
>
>I would suppose what they call a pancake compressor would be plenty.
>You can often find combo packs.
>
>I just did a google search on "amazon senco stapler and compressor"
>and the first hot is an upholstery bundle.
>http://www.amazon.com/Senco-PC0973-Upholstery-Compressor-Kit/dp/B0002PS87U

...as a package that looks like a decent deal...after reading the
review I dunno...I have a Porter Cable US58T2 air-stapler that shoots
#7 staples (as opposed to 22 guage crown staples) and it is the bomb.
I bought it because I wasn't happy with a couple of electric units
(probably didn't spend enough money on 'em?). Anyway, I've used it
for light upholstering and even some indoor-outdoor applied to the
deck of my truck...nice tool and great results.

cg

On Fri, 26 Mar 2010 07:04:01 -0500, the infamous "basilisk"
<[email protected]> scrawled the following:

>
>"Larry Jaques" <[email protected]> wrote in message
>news:[email protected]...
>> On Thu, 25 Mar 2010 19:58:48 GMT, the infamous Robert Montgomery
>> <[email protected]> scrawled the following:
>>
>>>Thanks, Sonoma.
>>>
>>>Which Senco?
>>>
>>>And which compressor? I'm concerned about the noise from the
>>>compressors, because I'm in a rental apartment building and I'm
>>>surrounded by other tenants that I'm concerned about disturbing. That's
>>>why I'm leaning toward an electric.
>>
>> Go with air and build a sonic box to put around the compressor.
>>
>> Use the stapler to tack carpet inside a plywood box. Fill up the tank
>> once and use that for hours.
>
>What about one of the CO2 tanks to supply the stapler, it sounds
>like the OP needs would be fairly minimal and depending
>on how sensitive/mean the neighbors are it might be a good
>option.

Yeah, that's one option, depending on the cost of rentals in his area.
But what's he going to do when he finds out he wants to blow toast
crumbs out his baby oven, clean the vacuum, dry his bbq grille, blow
out the garage, and all the other good stuff compressors are for? He'd
go through a whole tank in an hour. ;)

(Yeah, on the porch/balcony, of course.)

--
Challenges are gifts that force us to search for a new center of gravity.
Don't fight them. Just find a different way to stand.
-- Oprah Winfrey

Larry Jaques wrote:
> On Sun, 28 Mar 2010 16:14:03 GMT, the infamous Robert Montgomery
> <[email protected]> scrawled the following:
>

>
> Robert, haven't you heard of Robert Heinlein, the famous science
> fiction author? That's his humorous wit. Don't you like it?

>>
>> --
>> "Not always right, but never uncertain." --Heinlein
>> -=-=-

I see. You didn't put a smiley after the joke, so I didn't know it was a
joke.

I read some of his books when I was young, actually.

Robert M.

On Sat, 27 Mar 2010 16:14:11 GMT, the infamous Robert Montgomery
<[email protected]> scrawled the following:

>Max wrote:
>> "Robert Montgomery" <[email protected]> wrote in message
>> news:Pzfrn.187$z%6.139@edtnps83...
>>> Lee Michaels wrote:
>>>> "Robert Montgomery" wrote
>>>>> How noisy is it when it's running but not filling with air?
>>>>>
>>>> There is no noise associated with the spare tank. Only with the
>>>> stapler. If you were only going to do this some of the time, why
>>>> don't you just go to those air filling stations for the tires. You
>>>> can then bring the tank home and staple with that.
>>>>
>>>> You are not building houses or cabinets. Your needs are very modest.
>>>> That is what some of the guys who air brush do, they just fill a tank
>>>> and use that.
>>>
>>>>
>>>> Same thing here. It doesn't take that much air to drive a staple.
>>>> Unless you are going into commercial production, a little air will go
>>>> a long way.
>>>
>>> How much do spare tanks weigh? I don't have a car so I'd have to carry
>>> the tank four blocks to the nearest gas station and then back home. I
>>> have a bad back. Just today I had a chiropractic adjustment. I was in
>>> a car accident 15 years ago, which has necessitated 200 medical
>>> appointments and my back has been in constant pain for the last 15 years.
>>>
>>> How does the whole thing work? You carry the tank to a gas station,
>>> fill the tank there, bring it home and hook up the gun to the tank and
>>> bypass the compressor? So I wouldn't need a compressor?
>>>
>>> I might stretch a canvas every couple of days if they sell well. Some
>>> of them could be as long as six feet and as wide as a foot and-a-half.
>>> A 40-inch-long by 18-inch-high canvas requires about a hundred
>>> staples, so that would mean firing 300 or 400 staples per week.
>>>
>>> Robert
>>
>>
>> Hmm. You're beginning to sound as if you've made up your mind.
>> You're probably right , Robert.
>> Ain't no way you're going to find the ideal solution.
>> Electric staplers aren't strong enough.
>> Air staplers are too expensive.
>> Compressors are too noisy.
>> Air tanks are too heavy and a nuisance to take to get filled.
>> You should just give up and go to work at MacDonalds.
>>
>> Max
>
>I haven't made up my mind. I'm looking at all possibilities. That's also
>called brainstorming. Brainstorming means being open to all
>possibilities It's also known as "thinking outside the box".
>
>I'll give you an example. When I was researching mounting art prints on
>a board, most people I consulted insisted that drymounting is the only
>way to go. Drymounting was not a good solution for me because it
>requires a large, expensive vaccuum table which I don't have enough
>space for, and contracting out the drymounting would not be a good
>option because I'd have to rely on an off-site sub-contractor and
>frequent trips off-site.
>
>By researching thoroughly and keeping my options open, I found a
>suitable alternative: gluing the art prints to Gatorboard (that I
>custom-cut form four-by-eight foot Gatorboard sheets) using an art
>knife, and gluing the art prints to the board with an archival,
>museum-grade acrylic co-polymer adhesive and ordering custom picture
>frame from a wholesale picture framer.
>
>
>Also, I have to research carefully because often people's
>recommendations are bad. I went with people's recommendations and so far
>they've all been unsuitable. Recommended to me were manual Stanley
>Sharpshooter staplers, manual Sears Craftsman Easy-Fire staplers, manual
>Arrow JT-21 staplers and Arrow electric lithium-ion. I tried them all
>and none of them turned out to be good solutions and I ended up
>returning three out of those four staplers. (I'm still using the Arrow
>JT-21 manual.)
>
>Being a picky perfectionist has helped me to become a successful artist.
>And why should I give up and work at McDonald's? About a million dollars
>worth of my art and associated picture framing have sold. Ain't no way
>I'm giving up to work at McDonald's! (I will occasionally eat McDonald's
>food, though, when I feel like pigging out. :-))

Robert, if you're a millionaire, why the hell are you renting, and
why quibble over this? Just Do It!

--
"Not always right, but never uncertain." --Heinlein
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Puckdropper wrote:

>
> I have a 5 gallon tank I use for my air brush. It lets me have several
> minutes of run time before I have to take it back over to the compressor
> and fill it up.

Thanks, Puckdropper.

I'm curious to know why your compressor alone wouldn't have enough air
to power your airbrush. I airbrushed about 20 years ago, using a little
Badger compressor and there was no cycling; I was able to work
uninterrupted because there was no loss of air pressure from the
compressor. There was a constant, quiet purr from the motor as long as
the compressor was plugged into an outlet. Maybe you're using a big,
more powerful airbrush that requires more air?

It can be a hassle to take it to a gas station and fill
> it if you have to every day.

I agree. I think I'd rather buy a compressor and try to get a box made
for it, cover the inside with carpet scraps as suggested and station the
boxed compressor my balcony. (As long as the hose would be at least 15
feet long, because that's how far the hose would have to stretch to
reach my stapling workstation.)

Robert

Sonny wrote:
>> I just did a google search on "amazon senco stapler and compressor"
>> and the first hot is an upholstery bundle.http://www.amazon.com/Senco-PC0973-Upholstery-Compressor-Kit/dp/B0002...- Hide quoted text -
>>

> If you have a canvas to attach, now, some small tacks should work just
> fine. Tacks are still often used in upholstery today, in tight places
> the stapler can't reach properly. I wouldn't recommend using aluminum
> tacks.
>
> Sonny

Thanks, Sonny.

I tried pushpins that I had at home to get an idea if tacks would work,
but the wood is so hard that the prongs hardly penetrated the wood when
I use my fingers, so hammering them in would be a lot of work.

So I returned the package of unopened tacks that I had bought recently
to the hardware store.

Robert

Larry Jaques wrote:
> On Thu, 25 Mar 2010 17:30:47 GMT, the infamous Robert Montgomery
> <[email protected]> scrawled the following:
>
>> What's a fairly quiet, lightweight upholstery electric staple gun that's
>> powerful enough to penetrate pine?
>>
>> I'm an artist and I need to stretch cotton canvas over pine stretcher bars.
>
> Repeat after me: Electric staple guns don't work reliably.
>
> Get a little compressor, an extra 5 gallon tank, and a $30 Harbor
> Freight 1/2" crown stapler (I love mine) and you're in business.
> http://www.harborfreight.com/cpi/ctaf/displayitem.taf?Itemnumber=97572
> http://www.harborfreight.com/cpi/ctaf/displayitem.taf?Itemnumber=65594
>
>
>
>> I considered buying a quiet Duo-Fast E1C 3118A electric staple gun, but
>> it's too heavy. I have to hold the stretcher bar frame vertically so I
>> have one hand to pull the canvas tightly around the bars with canvas
>> pliers, so my other hand and arm have to be up in the air to fire the
>> staple gun, so that gun would be too heavy. It weighs 4.2 pounds.
>
> Oh, the HF gun weighs about 2 pounds but feels closer to 1 pound. I
> use a lightweight 1/4" air line for the tank. It's even lighter than a
> copper cord for a corded tool like my drill.
>
> I've also used my HF 1/4" crown stapler for upholstery to good effect.
> http://www.harborfreight.com/cpi/ctaf/displayitem.taf?Itemnumber=97524

Thanks, Larry.

That stapler takes minimum 3/4-inch staples, which is at least twice as
long as the longest staples I would use. I want short staples so that I
can extract them easily if they don't seat properly.
>
> My 3/4HP Ingersoll Rand airless compressor will fill up the tank to
> 100psi. I can then take the tank and hose anywhere and run about 100
> staples from the gun before needing a refill. It stops working well at
> roughly 50psi.

How would the extra tank work with the compressor? How much noise do
they make?

> --
> Challenges are gifts that force us to search for a new center of gravity.
> Don't fight them. Just find a different way to stand.
-- Oprah Winfrey

I hate challenges, because they make life very difficult.
--Robert Montgomery

Robert