"R.H." <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> The latest set has been posted:
>
> http://puzzlephotos.blogspot.com/
>
>
> Rob
#1333 is a fixed steady for an enginners lathe - supports long pieces of
work for turning operations far from the headstock
On Thu, 19 Jun 2008 04:21:03 -0400, R.H. wrote:
> The latest set has been posted:
>
> http://puzzlephotos.blogspot.com/
Wild-ass guesses, not having looked at other people's responses:
1332: Looks like it's designed to guess the height or depth of
something.
1333: The three screws remind me of the swag lights I've got, but this
would be designed to keep something much smaller in place, and doesn't
look like it would do as good a job.
1334: Discarded set piece from "Forbidden Planet"; see
<http://us.imdb.com/title/tt0049223/> :-)
1335. Designed to measure the internal diameter of something. Wheel
rims? (Then again, these photos look like they were taken in some sort
of rocketry museum or something similar.)
1336: Piece of an anemometer?
--
Ted S.
fedya at hughes dot net
Now blogging at http://justacineast.blogspot.com
On 20 Jun 2008 01:28:18 GMT, DoN. Nichols wrote:
> And RH -- it looks as though RoadRunner (and Verizon) are
> dropping support for newsgroups. (Though Verizon is supposed to be
> continuing support for the big-8 groups, which include the "rec.' ones.
> If you find yourself without a newsfeed, you can try using the
> commercial news company which I use -- newsguy.com. They are apparently
> offering one month's free news to customers of Verizon and RoadRunner.
There are some good free servers, such as motzarella.org, which is the
one I use.
But you have to love states' Attorneys General.
--
Ted S.
fedya at hughes dot net
Sorry to be from the state that gave the world the wicked Eliot Spitzer
Now blogging at http://justacineast.blogspot.com
and again some silly guesses from germany
1332 is it a log for measuring the speed, or the waylength, for ships?
1334 this looks like my last digital watch. (ehm, yess, joking)
1336 is it something like an anemometer? or something for measuring falling
sand?
the others, nt a single idea.
greetings, chris
"DoN. Nichols" <[email protected]> schrieb im Newsbeitrag
news:[email protected]...
> My goodness -- that would be a *large* spark plug. Have you
> ever encountered one with a hex wrenching area about 4" (100mm) between
> flats?
hmmm, monstercar, monstermotor, monstersparkplug, monstersparkplugwrench?
tell me why not ;-)
http://www.kleinurl.de/?br5gltwb
http://www.kleinurl.de/?hdo9tp6s
Ok, maybee 100mm is something too large for a spark plug, but 1337 *must* be
a wrench.
greetings from germany
chris
"John" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> On Thu, 19 Jun 2008 10:56:07 -0400, "J. Clarke"
> <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>>Ted Schuerzinger wrote:
>>
>>China Syndrome maybe? The markings suggest that it's a part of the
>>controls for a power plant, I was trying to figure out the wheels--if
>>it's a prop that would explain them.
>>
>
> My guess would be that it's a museum piece (the unreadable plaque at
> the top) and the wheels are so it can be moved for exhibit changes
> and/or carpet cleaning - as I doubt the original working location had
> carpet ;-)
>
> John
Yes, it's a museum piece and would not have had wheels in its original
location.
Rob
> And RH -- it looks as though RoadRunner (and Verizon) are
> dropping support for newsgroups. (Though Verizon is supposed to be
> continuing support for the big-8 groups, which include the "rec.' ones.
> If you find yourself without a newsfeed, you can try using the
> commercial news company which I use -- newsguy.com. They are apparently
> offering one month's free news to customers of Verizon and RoadRunner.
Thanks for the tip, I do use RoadRunner but hadn't heard that they are going
to drop the newsgroups. I'll check out newsguy and a couple of the other
options that were mentioned in this thread.
Rob
On Jun 20, 5:38 pm, "R.H." <[email protected]> wrote:
> Just posted the answers along with a few links and new photos:
>
> http://pzphotosans237r.blogspot.com/
>
> Rob
Damn I feel like a dork- knew 1337 but didn't post.
Had I only known no one would know what it was.
Missed a chance to show-off... ;-)
Dave
1335 is a "traveler". A really nice one. Wheelwrights use them to
measure the distance around a wooden wheel and the inside of the iron
tire for fitting purposes.
But either the guy measured the diameter wrong or it's out of
"calibration". It should be 3.8197218" in diameter, not 3 3/4"!
Pete Stanaitis
------------------------
R.H. wrote:
> The latest set has been posted:
>
> http://puzzlephotos.blogspot.com/
>
>
> Rob
Ted Schuerzinger wrote:
> On Thu, 19 Jun 2008 04:21:03 -0400, R.H. wrote:
>
>> The latest set has been posted:
>>
>> http://puzzlephotos.blogspot.com/
>
> Wild-ass guesses, not having looked at other people's responses:
>
> 1332: Looks like it's designed to guess the height or depth of
> something.
>
> 1333: The three screws remind me of the swag lights I've got, but
> this
> would be designed to keep something much smaller in place, and
> doesn't
> look like it would do as good a job.
>
> 1334: Discarded set piece from "Forbidden Planet"; see
> <http://us.imdb.com/title/tt0049223/> :-)
China Syndrome maybe? The markings suggest that it's a part of the
controls for a power plant, I was trying to figure out the wheels--if
it's a prop that would explain them.
> 1335. Designed to measure the internal diameter of something.
> Wheel
> rims? (Then again, these photos look like they were taken in some
> sort of rocketry museum or something similar.)
>
> 1336: Piece of an anemometer?
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J. Clarke wrote:
> Ted Schuerzinger wrote:
>> On Thu, 19 Jun 2008 04:21:03 -0400, R.H. wrote:
>>
>>> The latest set has been posted:
>>>
>>> http://puzzlephotos.blogspot.com/
>> Wild-ass guesses, not having looked at other people's responses:
>>
...
>> 1334: Discarded set piece from "Forbidden Planet"; see
>> <http://us.imdb.com/title/tt0049223/> :-)
>
> China Syndrome maybe? The markings suggest that it's a part of the
> controls for a power plant, I was trying to figure out the wheels--if
> it's a prop that would explain them.
...
I believe it is for switchyard, not generation unit...
--
R.H. wrote:
> The latest set has been posted:
>
> http://puzzlephotos.blogspot.com/
>
>
> Rob
1335 is a rolling measurer. As Ted said, it could be used to measure
internal circumferences. It could be used to measure the outside of an
irregular shape or an irregular line on a flat surface.
It could also be easier than a tape or a stick for measuring straight
lines. I'll bet the back side of the hinged top is marked as a protractor.
1337 looks like part of a pump. An eccentric "gear" would roll inside
it, or it would roll eccentrically around the "gear".
DoN. Nichols wrote:
> And RH -- it looks as though RoadRunner (and Verizon) are
> dropping support for newsgroups. (Though Verizon is supposed to be
> continuing support for the big-8 groups, which include the "rec.' ones.
> If you find yourself without a newsfeed, you can try using the
> commercial news company which I use -- newsguy.com. They are apparently
> offering one month's free news to customers of Verizon and RoadRunner.
Wikipedia's article on Usenet mentions some free feeds, one of which is
working well for me. (Google turns up a whole mess of supposedly free
ones, but they're either not free any more, or only allow reading, or
add spam to your posts, or offer no comprehensible means of signing up
for an account. Google Groups, as always, has its own pile of issues.)
Ned Simmons wrote:
> On Thu, 19 Jun 2008 13:05:52 -0400, John <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>> On Thu, 19 Jun 2008 10:56:07 -0400, "J. Clarke"
>> <[email protected]> wrote:
>>
>>> Ted Schuerzinger wrote:
>>>
>>> China Syndrome maybe? The markings suggest that it's a part of the
>>> controls for a power plant, I was trying to figure out the wheels--if
>>> it's a prop that would explain them.
>>>
>> My guess would be that it's a museum piece
>
> Perhaps a a dummy board for training operators.
40-50 yrs ago, maybe...
--
Ted Schuerzinger wrote:
> On 20 Jun 2008 01:28:18 GMT, DoN. Nichols wrote:
>
>> And RH -- it looks as though RoadRunner (and Verizon) are
>> dropping support for newsgroups. (Though Verizon is supposed to be
>> continuing support for the big-8 groups, which include the "rec.' ones.
>> If you find yourself without a newsfeed, you can try using the
>> commercial news company which I use -- newsguy.com. They are apparently
>> offering one month's free news to customers of Verizon and RoadRunner.
>
> There are some good free servers, such as motzarella.org, which is the
> one I use.
>
> But you have to love states' Attorneys General.
>
You mean like Spitzer!!!!! hahahaha motzarella.org works great, been using
it for a couple of days and I'm happy with it.
--
"You can lead them to LINUX
but you can't make them THINK"
Running Mandriva release 2008.0 free-i586 using KDE on i586
DoN. Nichols wrote:
> On 2008-06-19, R.H. <[email protected]> wrote:
>> The latest set has been posted:
>>
>> http://puzzlephotos.blogspot.com/
>
> O.K. Posting from rec.crafts.metalworking as always.
>
> 1332) Another kind of ships log. The eye is held by a line which
> resists twisting, and the body is rotated by the angled vanes
> near the rear. The visible dials count the number of turns (and
> the length of time you leave it in the water determines the time
> -- unless there is a built-in timer which starts as it hits the
> water.
>
It seems inconvenient for a ship's log because you have to take it out
of the water to read it. During the process, it's not working.
I wonder if it's to measure the flow at different depths in a channel.
You connect a buoy and weight with a line long enough to reach the
bottom. You fasten meters like this at various points along the line,
drop it over the side, and pick it up an hour later.
E Z Peaces wrote:
> DoN. Nichols wrote:
>> On 2008-06-19, R.H. <[email protected]> wrote:
>>> The latest set has been posted:
>>>
>>> http://puzzlephotos.blogspot.com/
>>
>> O.K. Posting from rec.crafts.metalworking as always.
>>
>> 1332) Another kind of ships log. The eye is held by a line which
>> resists twisting, and the body is rotated by the angled vanes
>> near the rear. The visible dials count the number of turns (and
>> the length of time you leave it in the water determines the time
>> -- unless there is a built-in timer which starts as it hits the
>> water.
>>
> It seems inconvenient for a ship's log because you have to take it
> out
> of the water to read it. During the process, it's not working.
Beats the Hell out of turning the ship around to retrieve the
Chinaman.
There's a similar log about halfway down
http://www.landandseacollection.com/id77.html, and another at
http://www.nmm.ac.uk/searchbin/searchs.pl?exhibit=it1682z&axis=1199430631&flash=&dev=,
and a mention of the method of use, dated 1891
http://books.google.com/books?id=bWQSAAAAIAAJ&pg=PA48&lpg=PA48&dq=%22massey+log%22&source=web&ots=rK_Ku3gMCy&sig=bUr_gGOEPNxby36IBPXIJVP5ebo&hl=en&sa=X&oi=book_result&resnum=4&ct=result#PPR5,M1
> I wonder if it's to measure the flow at different depths in a
> channel.
> You connect a buoy and weight with a line long enough to reach the
> bottom. You fasten meters like this at various points along the
> line,
> drop it over the side, and pick it up an hour later.
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--John
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(was jclarke at eye bee em dot net)
J. Clarke wrote:
> E Z Peaces wrote:
>> DoN. Nichols wrote:
>>> On 2008-06-19, R.H. <[email protected]> wrote:
>>>> The latest set has been posted:
>>>>
>>>> http://puzzlephotos.blogspot.com/
>>> O.K. Posting from rec.crafts.metalworking as always.
>>>
>>> 1332) Another kind of ships log. The eye is held by a line which
>>> resists twisting, and the body is rotated by the angled vanes
>>> near the rear. The visible dials count the number of turns (and
>>> the length of time you leave it in the water determines the time
>>> -- unless there is a built-in timer which starts as it hits the
>>> water.
>>>
>> It seems inconvenient for a ship's log because you have to take it
>> out
>> of the water to read it. During the process, it's not working.
>
> Beats the Hell out of turning the ship around to retrieve the
> Chinaman.
>
> There's a similar log about halfway down
> http://www.landandseacollection.com/id77.html, and another at
Of 14 logs on the page, 12 have the dials aboard ship. One with dials
has a stirrup. If the stirrup could be locked perhaps 45 degrees above
the nose, the log wouldn't have to trail very far. That could speed
retrieval.
The Harpoon resembles the item in question, but it has a wing and the
nose ring appears not to swivel.
> http://www.nmm.ac.uk/searchbin/searchs.pl?exhibit=it1682z&axis=1199430631&flash=&dev=,
This one also has a wing, and the nose ring wouldn't swivel.
> and a mention of the method of use, dated 1891
> http://books.google.com/books?id=bWQSAAAAIAAJ&pg=PA48&lpg=PA48&dq=%22massey+log%22&source=web&ots=rK_Ku3gMCy&sig=bUr_gGOEPNxby36IBPXIJVP5ebo&hl=en&sa=X&oi=book_result&resnum=4&ct=result#PPR5,M1
>
It says the time it took to check the log was a complication for a
navigator.
>
>> I wonder if it's to measure the flow at different depths in a
>> channel.
>> You connect a buoy and weight with a line long enough to reach the
>> bottom. You fasten meters like this at various points along the
>> line,
>> drop it over the side, and pick it up an hour later.
>
If the item in question is brass, I wonder why it's not polished like
the others. The stands are shiny.
This item has no place for a wing and appears to swivel under the nose
cap. The tail is long and streamlined. With the right amount of weight
and air, a tail like that could be given neutral buoyancy to stay
horizontal in slow currents while moored two fathoms down.
If I were a pilot bringing an oil tanker through a channel, I'd want
data on the currents below.
E Z Peaces wrote:
> J. Clarke wrote:
>> E Z Peaces wrote:
>>> DoN. Nichols wrote:
>>>> On 2008-06-19, R.H. <[email protected]> wrote:
>>>>> The latest set has been posted:
>>>>>
>>>>> http://puzzlephotos.blogspot.com/
>>>> O.K. Posting from rec.crafts.metalworking as always.
>>>>
>>>> 1332) Another kind of ships log. The eye is held by a line which
>>>> resists twisting, and the body is rotated by the angled vanes
>>>> near the rear. The visible dials count the number of turns (and
>>>> the length of time you leave it in the water determines the time
>>>> -- unless there is a built-in timer which starts as it hits the
>>>> water.
>>>>
>>> It seems inconvenient for a ship's log because you have to take it
>>> out
>>> of the water to read it. During the process, it's not working.
>>
>> Beats the Hell out of turning the ship around to retrieve the
>> Chinaman.
>>
>> There's a similar log about halfway down
>> http://www.landandseacollection.com/id77.html, and another at
>
> Of 14 logs on the page, 12 have the dials aboard ship.
So what? If of 14 cats, 12 were orange and striped the other two were
black would that mean that the black cats weren't black? You're
arguing for the sake of arguing.
> One with dials
> has a stirrup. If the stirrup could be locked perhaps 45 degrees
> above
> the nose, the log wouldn't have to trail very far. That could speed
> retrieval.
If you're talking about the Bliss log, it trails a spinner that is not
shown.
The patent can be found by going to
http://patft.uspto.gov/netahtml/PTO/srchnum.htm and searching on
178,261. Note that you may need to download a special viewer to see
the images.
> The Harpoon resembles the item in question, but it has a wing and
> the
> nose ring appears not to swivel.
>
>
>> http://www.nmm.ac.uk/searchbin/searchs.pl?exhibit=it1682z&axis=1199430631&flash=&dev=,
Similar devices made by different manufacturers have different
features.
> This one also has a wing, and the nose ring wouldn't swivel.
Some people just plain can't generalize. Try this one:
http://mobius.mysticseaport.org/detail.php?t=objects&type=browse&f=category1&s=INSTRUMENTS+-+TAFFRAIL+LOGS&record=2
That's a Massey patent log, the other was a Walker, a later "improved"
design.
>> and a mention of the method of use, dated 1891
>> http://books.google.com/books?id=bWQSAAAAIAAJ&pg=PA48&lpg=PA48&dq=%22massey+log%22&source=web&ots=rK_Ku3gMCy&sig=bUr_gGOEPNxby36IBPXIJVP5ebo&hl=en&sa=X&oi=book_result&resnum=4&ct=result#PPR5,M1
>>
> It says the time it took to check the log was a complication for a
> navigator.
Not half the complication that a cloudy night was.
>>> I wonder if it's to measure the flow at different depths in a
>>> channel.
>>> You connect a buoy and weight with a line long enough to reach the
>>> bottom. You fasten meters like this at various points along the
>>> line,
>>> drop it over the side, and pick it up an hour later.
>>
>
> If the item in question is brass, I wonder why it's not polished
> like
> the others. The stands are shiny.
What does this have to do with functionality?
> This item has no place for a wing and appears to swivel under the
> nose
> cap. The tail is long and streamlined. With the right amount of
> weight
> and air, a tail like that could be given neutral buoyancy to stay
> horizontal in slow currents while moored two fathoms down.
And the same in the wake of a ship, so what?
> If I were a pilot bringing an oil tanker through a channel, I'd want
> data on the currents below.
And something that records miles travelled and doesn't give direction
is going to help this hypothetical tanker pilot how?
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J. Clarke wrote:
> E Z Peaces wrote:
>> J. Clarke wrote:
>>> E Z Peaces wrote:
>>>> DoN. Nichols wrote:
>>>>> On 2008-06-19, R.H. <[email protected]> wrote:
>>>>>> The latest set has been posted:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> http://puzzlephotos.blogspot.com/
>>>>> O.K. Posting from rec.crafts.metalworking as always.
>>>>>
>>>>> 1332) Another kind of ships log. The eye is held by a line which
>>>>> resists twisting, and the body is rotated by the angled vanes
>>>>> near the rear. The visible dials count the number of turns (and
>>>>> the length of time you leave it in the water determines the time
>>>>> -- unless there is a built-in timer which starts as it hits the
>>>>> water.
>>>>>
>>>> It seems inconvenient for a ship's log because you have to take it
>>>> out
>>>> of the water to read it. During the process, it's not working.
>>> Beats the Hell out of turning the ship around to retrieve the
>>> Chinaman.
>>>
>>> There's a similar log about halfway down
>>> http://www.landandseacollection.com/id77.html, and another at
>> Of 14 logs on the page, 12 have the dials aboard ship.
>
> So what? If of 14 cats, 12 were orange and striped the other two were
> black would that mean that the black cats weren't black? You're
> arguing for the sake of arguing.
>
>> One with dials
>> has a stirrup. If the stirrup could be locked perhaps 45 degrees
>> above
>> the nose, the log wouldn't have to trail very far. That could speed
>> retrieval.
>
> If you're talking about the Bliss log, it trails a spinner that is not
> shown.
So only 1 of 14 pictured ship's logs registered underwater. If I knew
tracked vehicles were once used in agriculture, I might speculate that a
Bradley Fighting Vehicle was a farm tractor. If 93% of the old tractor
pictures I found were not tracked and the Bradley was different from the
tracked farm vehicles I found, wouldn't that raise the possibility that
the Bradley was designed for something else?
>
> The patent can be found by going to
> http://patft.uspto.gov/netahtml/PTO/srchnum.htm and searching on
> 178,261. Note that you may need to download a special viewer to see
> the images.
The inventor says logs that registered underwater were difficult to use
accurately, and the line was likely to break during retrieval.
>
>> The Harpoon resembles the item in question, but it has a wing and
>> the
>> nose ring appears not to swivel.
>>
>>
>>> http://www.nmm.ac.uk/searchbin/searchs.pl?exhibit=it1682z&axis=1199430631&flash=&dev=,
>
> Similar devices made by different manufacturers have different
> features.
Devices made for slightly different uses also have different features.
>
>> This one also has a wing, and the nose ring wouldn't swivel.
>
> Some people just plain can't generalize. Try this one:
>
> http://mobius.mysticseaport.org/detail.php?t=objects&type=browse&f=category1&s=INSTRUMENTS+-+TAFFRAIL+LOGS&record=2
>
> That's a Massey patent log, the other was a Walker, a later "improved"
> design.
Bingo! It would be interesting to see in the patents why the design was
changed.
>
>>> and a mention of the method of use, dated 1891
>>> http://books.google.com/books?id=bWQSAAAAIAAJ&pg=PA48&lpg=PA48&dq=%22massey+log%22&source=web&ots=rK_Ku3gMCy&sig=bUr_gGOEPNxby36IBPXIJVP5ebo&hl=en&sa=X&oi=book_result&resnum=4&ct=result#PPR5,M1
>>>
>> It says the time it took to check the log was a complication for a
>> navigator.
>
> Not half the complication that a cloudy night was.
How about a cloudy day? In either case a navigator would want a simple,
reliable system of tracking movement.
>
>>>> I wonder if it's to measure the flow at different depths in a
>>>> channel.
>>>> You connect a buoy and weight with a line long enough to reach the
>>>> bottom. You fasten meters like this at various points along the
>>>> line,
>>>> drop it over the side, and pick it up an hour later.
>> If the item in question is brass, I wonder why it's not polished
>> like
>> the others. The stands are shiny.
>
> What does this have to do with functionality?
If it's not polished (like all the others), the photo doesn't show it's
brass. If it contained anodized aluminum or black plastic, it would
have been made after ships quit using similar logs.
>
>> This item has no place for a wing and appears to swivel under the
>> nose
>> cap. The tail is long and streamlined. With the right amount of
>> weight
>> and air, a tail like that could be given neutral buoyancy to stay
>> horizontal in slow currents while moored two fathoms down.
>
> And the same in the wake of a ship, so what?
If a log is moored in a 1/2-knot current and the tail hangs down, it
won't register very well.
>
>> If I were a pilot bringing an oil tanker through a channel, I'd want
>> data on the currents below.
>
> And something that records miles travelled and doesn't give direction
> is going to help this hypothetical tanker pilot how?
>
Direction is easy to determine. It takes a can of paint slightly
heavier than the water and a length of piano wire. After you drop the
buoy, you stand by in a small boat while you lower the can to the proper
depth, then see which way it pulls the wire.
E Z Peaces wrote:
> J. Clarke wrote:
>> E Z Peaces wrote:
>>> J. Clarke wrote:
>>>> E Z Peaces wrote:
>>>>> DoN. Nichols wrote:
>>>>>> On 2008-06-19, R.H. <[email protected]> wrote:
>>>>>>> The latest set has been posted:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> http://puzzlephotos.blogspot.com/
>>>>>> O.K. Posting from rec.crafts.metalworking as always.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> 1332) Another kind of ships log. The eye is held by a line
>>>>>> which
>>>>>> resists twisting, and the body is rotated by the angled vanes
>>>>>> near the rear. The visible dials count the number of turns
>>>>>> (and
>>>>>> the length of time you leave it in the water determines the
>>>>>> time
>>>>>> -- unless there is a built-in timer which starts as it hits the
>>>>>> water.
>>>>>>
>>>>> It seems inconvenient for a ship's log because you have to take
>>>>> it
>>>>> out
>>>>> of the water to read it. During the process, it's not working.
>>>> Beats the Hell out of turning the ship around to retrieve the
>>>> Chinaman.
>>>>
>>>> There's a similar log about halfway down
>>>> http://www.landandseacollection.com/id77.html, and another at
>>> Of 14 logs on the page, 12 have the dials aboard ship.
>>
>> So what? If of 14 cats, 12 were orange and striped the other two
>> were black would that mean that the black cats weren't black?
>> You're
>> arguing for the sake of arguing.
>>
>>> One with dials
>>> has a stirrup. If the stirrup could be locked perhaps 45 degrees
>>> above
>>> the nose, the log wouldn't have to trail very far. That could
>>> speed
>>> retrieval.
>>
>> If you're talking about the Bliss log, it trails a spinner that is
>> not shown.
>
> So only 1 of 14 pictured ship's logs registered underwater. If I
> knew
> tracked vehicles were once used in agriculture, I might speculate
> that a
> Bradley Fighting Vehicle was a farm tractor. If 93% of the old
> tractor
> pictures I found were not tracked and the Bradley was different from
> the
> tracked farm vehicles I found, wouldn't that raise the possibility
> that
> the Bradley was designed for something else?
So show us a picture of a similar device that was "designed for
something else".
>
>> The patent can be found by going to
>> http://patft.uspto.gov/netahtml/PTO/srchnum.htm and searching on
>> 178,261. Note that you may need to download a special viewer to
>> see
>> the images.
>
> The inventor says logs that registered underwater were difficult to
> use
> accurately, and the line was likely to break during retrieval.
So what? Are you denying that such logs were produced and used? If
not then what exactly is the point that you are trying to make by
arguing the inconvenience of them?
That's like arguing that an astrolabe isn't a navigational instrument
because it's less convenient to use than a sextant.
>>> The Harpoon resembles the item in question, but it has a wing and
>>> the
>>> nose ring appears not to swivel.
>>>
>>>
>>>> http://www.nmm.ac.uk/searchbin/searchs.pl?exhibit=it1682z&axis=1199430631&flash=&dev=,
>>
>> Similar devices made by different manufacturers have different
>> features.
>
> Devices made for slightly different uses also have different
> features.
So show us an example of the device that you assert this to be.
>>> This one also has a wing, and the nose ring wouldn't swivel.
>>
>> Some people just plain can't generalize. Try this one:
>>
>> http://mobius.mysticseaport.org/detail.php?t=objects&type=browse&f=category1&s=INSTRUMENTS+-+TAFFRAIL+LOGS&record=2
>>
>> That's a Massey patent log, the other was a Walker, a later
>> "improved" design.
>
> Bingo! It would be interesting to see in the patents why the design
> was
> changed.
Most likely so that Walker could make money.
>>>> and a mention of the method of use, dated 1891
>>>> http://books.google.com/books?id=bWQSAAAAIAAJ&pg=PA48&lpg=PA48&dq=%22massey+log%22&source=web&ots=rK_Ku3gMCy&sig=bUr_gGOEPNxby36IBPXIJVP5ebo&hl=en&sa=X&oi=book_result&resnum=4&ct=result#PPR5,M1
>>>>
>>> It says the time it took to check the log was a complication for a
>>> navigator.
>>
>> Not half the complication that a cloudy night was.
>
> How about a cloudy day? In either case a navigator would want a
> simple,
> reliable system of tracking movement.
Do you know how "movement" was "tracked" _before_ the Massey Patent
Log came into use?
>>>>> I wonder if it's to measure the flow at different depths in a
>>>>> channel.
>>>>> You connect a buoy and weight with a line long enough to reach
>>>>> the
>>>>> bottom. You fasten meters like this at various points along the
>>>>> line,
>>>>> drop it over the side, and pick it up an hour later.
>>> If the item in question is brass, I wonder why it's not polished
>>> like
>>> the others. The stands are shiny.
>>
>> What does this have to do with functionality?
>
> If it's not polished (like all the others), the photo doesn't show
> it's
> brass. If it contained anodized aluminum or black plastic, it would
> have been made after ships quit using similar logs.
You have to be posting from rec.puzzles because anybody posting from
rec.crafts.metalworking or rec.woodworking would know what brass that
has been exposed to the elements looks like.
>>> This item has no place for a wing and appears to swivel under the
>>> nose
>>> cap. The tail is long and streamlined. With the right amount of
>>> weight
>>> and air, a tail like that could be given neutral buoyancy to stay
>>> horizontal in slow currents while moored two fathoms down.
>>
>> And the same in the wake of a ship, so what?
>
> If a log is moored in a 1/2-knot current and the tail hangs down, it
> won't register very well.
So how fast do you think that sailing ships went when there was little
wind?
>>> If I were a pilot bringing an oil tanker through a channel, I'd
>>> want
>>> data on the currents below.
>>
>> And something that records miles travelled and doesn't give
>> direction
>> is going to help this hypothetical tanker pilot how?
>>
>
> Direction is easy to determine. It takes a can of paint slightly
> heavier than the water and a length of piano wire. After you drop
> the
> buoy, you stand by in a small boat while you lower the can to the
> proper
> depth, then see which way it pulls the wire.
And all this while a tanker is bearing down on you?
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J. Clarke wrote:
> E Z Peaces wrote:
>>>>>
>> So only 1 of 14 pictured ship's logs registered underwater. If I
>> knew
>> tracked vehicles were once used in agriculture, I might speculate
>> that a
>> Bradley Fighting Vehicle was a farm tractor. If 93% of the old
>> tractor
>> pictures I found were not tracked and the Bradley was different from
>> the
>> tracked farm vehicles I found, wouldn't that raise the possibility
>> that
>> the Bradley was designed for something else?
>
> So show us a picture of a similar device that was "designed for
> something else".
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:1BFV01.jpg
>>> The patent can be found by going to
>>> http://patft.uspto.gov/netahtml/PTO/srchnum.htm and searching on
>>> 178,261. Note that you may need to download a special viewer to
>>> see
>>> the images.
>> The inventor says logs that registered underwater were difficult to
>> use
>> accurately, and the line was likely to break during retrieval.
>
> So what? Are you denying that such logs were produced and used? If
> not then what exactly is the point that you are trying to make by
> arguing the inconvenience of them?
Smoothbore muskets were inconvenient to military commanders because they
took time to load and weren't accurate. That doesn't mean they weren't
produced.
Now suppose in the closet of a farmhouse you find a smoothbore weapon.
Is it a musket?
>>>
>>> http://mobius.mysticseaport.org/detail.php?t=objects&type=browse&f=category1&s=INSTRUMENTS+-+TAFFRAIL+LOGS&record=2
>>>
>>> That's a Massey patent log, the other was a Walker, a later
>>> "improved" design.
>> Bingo! It would be interesting to see in the patents why the design
>> was
>> changed.
>
> Most likely so that Walker could make money.
If it wasn't changed for improved function, maybe it's a whiskey flask.
Walker could sell a lot more whiskey flasks than logs.
>
>>>>> and a mention of the method of use, dated 1891
>>>>> http://books.google.com/books?id=bWQSAAAAIAAJ&pg=PA48&lpg=PA48&dq=%22massey+log%22&source=web&ots=rK_Ku3gMCy&sig=bUr_gGOEPNxby36IBPXIJVP5ebo&hl=en&sa=X&oi=book_result&resnum=4&ct=result#PPR5,M1
>>>>>
>>>> It says the time it took to check the log was a complication for a
>>>> navigator.
>>> Not half the complication that a cloudy night was.
>> How about a cloudy day? In either case a navigator would want a
>> simple,
>> reliable system of tracking movement.
>
> Do you know how "movement" was "tracked" _before_ the Massey Patent
> Log came into use?
Mechanical logs had come into use about 1650. Ships also used pitot
tubes. Pitot invented it not to measure ship speed but to measure river
currents at various depths.
>
>>> What does this have to do with functionality?
>> If it's not polished (like all the others), the photo doesn't show
>> it's
>> brass. If it contained anodized aluminum or black plastic, it would
>> have been made after ships quit using similar logs.
>
> You have to be posting from rec.puzzles because anybody posting from
> rec.crafts.metalworking or rec.woodworking would know what brass that
> has been exposed to the elements looks like.
It looked to me as if some at least were brass, but could you tell from
the picture that it had no aluminum or plastic?
>
>>>> This item has no place for a wing and appears to swivel under the
>>>> nose
>>>> cap. The tail is long and streamlined. With the right amount of
>>>> weight
>>>> and air, a tail like that could be given neutral buoyancy to stay
>>>> horizontal in slow currents while moored two fathoms down.
>>> And the same in the wake of a ship, so what?
>> If a log is moored in a 1/2-knot current and the tail hangs down, it
>> won't register very well.
>
> So how fast do you think that sailing ships went when there was little
> wind?
The book and patent you cited both say accuracy was a problem.
>
>>>> If I were a pilot bringing an oil tanker through a channel, I'd
>>>> want
>>>> data on the currents below.
>>> And something that records miles travelled and doesn't give
>>> direction
>>> is going to help this hypothetical tanker pilot how?
>>>
>> Direction is easy to determine. It takes a can of paint slightly
>> heavier than the water and a length of piano wire. After you drop
>> the
>> buoy, you stand by in a small boat while you lower the can to the
>> proper
>> depth, then see which way it pulls the wire.
>
> And all this while a tanker is bearing down on you?
>
The pilot would familiarize himself with the charts before hand. That
way he could watch for me in my rowboat so he could avoid a collision.
In article <[email protected]>,
"R.H." <[email protected]> wrote:
> http://puzzlephotos.blogspot.com/
Let's see...
1332 - The writing under the dials nearest the fins seems to say "LOW
MASS", so presumably there's a heavier version available. The fins
themselves are skewed, so as to impart a rotary motion while this is
being pulled.
I'm guessing this is some sort of a measurement instrument that gets
pulled behind a ship or boat, perhaps a self-contained log.
1333 - Metalworking lathe center rest to support thin work. I suspect
lots of people from RCM will get this....
1334 - Control panel for a power station or substation.
1335 - Possibly a sextant or similar navigation instrument; this one
looks rather small and compact, so it may be for use by hikers rather
than mariners.
1336 - Anemometer (air flow speed indicator).
1337 - Wrench for oil filter or similar.
Now to read other guesses...
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On Thu, 19 Jun 2008 10:56:07 -0400, "J. Clarke"
<[email protected]> wrote:
>Ted Schuerzinger wrote:
>
>China Syndrome maybe? The markings suggest that it's a part of the
>controls for a power plant, I was trying to figure out the wheels--if
>it's a prop that would explain them.
>
My guess would be that it's a museum piece (the unreadable plaque at
the top) and the wheels are so it can be moved for exhibit changes
and/or carpet cleaning - as I doubt the original working location had
carpet ;-)
John
On Thu, 19 Jun 2008 13:05:52 -0400, John <[email protected]> wrote:
>On Thu, 19 Jun 2008 10:56:07 -0400, "J. Clarke"
><[email protected]> wrote:
>
>>Ted Schuerzinger wrote:
>>
>>China Syndrome maybe? The markings suggest that it's a part of the
>>controls for a power plant, I was trying to figure out the wheels--if
>>it's a prop that would explain them.
>>
>
>My guess would be that it's a museum piece
Perhaps a a dummy board for training operators.
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On 2008-06-19, R.H. <[email protected]> wrote:
> The latest set has been posted:
>
> http://puzzlephotos.blogspot.com/
O.K. Posting from rec.crafts.metalworking as always.
1332) Another kind of ships log. The eye is held by a line which
resists twisting, and the body is rotated by the angled vanes
near the rear. The visible dials count the number of turns (and
the length of time you leave it in the water determines the time
-- unless there is a built-in timer which starts as it hits the
water.
1333) A steady rest for a lathe -- probably about a 12" swing lathe
based on the overall size. (The critical factor is the vertical
distance from the flat on the left of the base to the meeting
point of the three adjustable fingers.
I think that the fingers are mounted backwards because I see
signs of threaded holes for mounting rollers -- which is one of
the ways these were used. Others simply had the bronze fingers
contact the workpiece directly.
Not sure what brand lathe it fits. It might fit my 12x24"
Clausing, it might fit a South Bend, or some other variations.
1334) Very interesting. It appears to be a control console for a
power station (generating or distribution), but having the
console mounted on casters suggests that it might be for
training purposes, or to move to some emergency setup location
With one of the meters reading 80 Megawatts full scale, it is
not just a toy.
Since I don't (and didn't) work in that field, I don't know what
the significance of the 'W' symbols in various orientations,
though probably someone else will post that.
1335) Hmm ... that diameter should really be precisely 3.8197", not the
3.750" suggested in the caption. It is designed for measuring
distances (perhaps on lumber) by rolling along it. Each
rotation is a full foot. The OD is calibrated in inches (0-12).
The smaller dial counts the total revolutions of the larger one,
apparently reaching a total of 12 feet before you have to carry
overruns in your head, which suggests that lumber was indeed the
purpose.
I presume that a handle attaches to the center to make it easier
to control.
1336) Anemometer -- looks designed to mount on the mast of a
sailboat, and looks designed to handle rather high wind speeds
based on the reenforcement between the cups.
(Hmm ... perhaps it mounts on an aircraft for giving airspeed?
1337) A *large* 12-point socket -- to go onto a hex nut or bolt head,
and presumably driven by a square drive in the smaller ring.
Also -- it looks to be a non-sparking material -- so it would be
likely used in the presence of inflammable gasses.
Now to see what others have said. I feel quite certain of my
answers this time around.
Enjoy,
DoN.
And RH -- it looks as though RoadRunner (and Verizon) are
dropping support for newsgroups. (Though Verizon is supposed to be
continuing support for the big-8 groups, which include the "rec.' ones.
If you find yourself without a newsfeed, you can try using the
commercial news company which I use -- newsguy.com. They are apparently
offering one month's free news to customers of Verizon and RoadRunner.
Good Luck,
DoN.
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On 2008-06-19, Christian Stüben <[email protected]> wrote:
> now i know what 1337 is ... it is part of a special purpose wrench, maybee
> for a spark plug?
My goodness -- that would be a *large* spark plug. Have you
ever encountered one with a hex wrenching area about 4" (100mm) between
flats?
Enjoy,
DoN.
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On 2008-06-20, Christian Stüben <[email protected]> wrote:
>
> "DoN. Nichols" <[email protected]> schrieb im Newsbeitrag
> news:[email protected]...
>> My goodness -- that would be a *large* spark plug. Have you
>> ever encountered one with a hex wrenching area about 4" (100mm) between
>> flats?
>
> hmmm, monstercar, monstermotor, monstersparkplug, monstersparkplugwrench?
> tell me why not ;-)
> http://www.kleinurl.de/?br5gltwb
> http://www.kleinurl.de/?hdo9tp6s
>
> Ok, maybee 100mm is something too large for a spark plug, but 1337 *must* be
> a wrench.
I agree with that. And it is for either a hexagonal nut or bolt
head, or perhaps a 12-point nut or bolt head.
Someone suggested an automotive oil filter -- but those tend to
have flats not points -- somewhere around eight or more, not the
"points" arrangement which I've seen on some stainless steel high-vacuum
system bolt heads to fit into the standard 12-point wrench which was
made to fit hex heads with a bit more flexiblity of handle position.
Enjoy,
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