My girlfriend wants to have her grandkids paint a mural on her fence gate.
It's a stockade fence and I think the rough surface will try the kids'
patience. So, I thought about cutting a couple of 4x4 pieces of thin wood,
beveling the edges so rain runs off, priming them, and letting the kids use
those as their "canvasses. A friend at a paint store offered to add vivid
tints to several small batches taken from a gallon of white exterior latex.
Coat the finished masterpieces with polyurethane or something. Attach to
gate. We're already adding a gate roller because it tends to sag a bit. So
extra weight shouldn't be an issue.
Plywood seems like a bad idea for this purpose due to the exposed edges,
even if they're seemingly well protected. I can get 1/4" pieces of pretty
much any common wood. Any suggestions?
"Leon" <[email protected]> wrote
>
> Your mileage may vary with local conditions but I live in hurricane
> country and thankfully my shed held up wonderfully during Ike, 2 years
> ago, my fence did not. ;~0
>
And the lesson is that you should have built the fence with Hardi planks!
<G>
"-MIKE-" <[email protected]> wrote in message
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> On 7/31/10 2:13 AM, JoeSpareBedroom wrote:
>> "-MIKE-"<[email protected]> wrote in message
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>>> On 7/30/10 10:17 PM, Martin H. Eastburn wrote:
>>>> I'd go for that - use a good can of kills or what it is - the stain or
>>>> over paint coat. If you paint the front - paint the back for certain
>>>> so moisture will be even if any.
>>>>
>>>> Martin
>>>>
>>>> Martin H. Eastburn
>>>>
>>>
>>> The paint/moisture thing is really a non-issue with that concrete stuff.
>>> It doesn't soak or warp.
>>
>>
>> Sounds heavy. Maybe I'll need a more heavy-duty gate roller. But what the
>> heck - it's for the grandkids. :) The older of the two (5) is a pretty
>> amazing artist for her age.
>>
>
> You may not need any roller, since you can use it to square the gate.
> We expect pictures of the art, btw. :-)
Dont depend on fiber cement panels or boards to be structural or to aid as
support bracing. It tends to be more of a veneer than anything else. Screw
or nail holes will wollow out in it if there is any stress added.
"-MIKE-" <[email protected]> wrote in message
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> On 7/30/10 10:17 PM, Martin H. Eastburn wrote:
>> I'd go for that - use a good can of kills or what it is - the stain or
>> over paint coat. If you paint the front - paint the back for certain
>> so moisture will be even if any.
>>
>> Martin
>>
>> Martin H. Eastburn
>>
>
> The paint/moisture thing is really a non-issue with that concrete stuff.
> It doesn't soak or warp.
Sounds heavy. Maybe I'll need a more heavy-duty gate roller. But what the
heck - it's for the grandkids. :) The older of the two (5) is a pretty
amazing artist for her age.
"-MIKE-" <[email protected]> wrote in message
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> On 7/31/10 3:36 PM, Leon wrote:
>>>> Sounds heavy. Maybe I'll need a more heavy-duty gate roller. But what
>>>> the
>>>> heck - it's for the grandkids. :) The older of the two (5) is a pretty
>>>> amazing artist for her age.
>>>>
>>>
>>> You may not need any roller, since you can use it to square the gate.
>>> We expect pictures of the art, btw. :-)
>>
>>
>> Dont depend on fiber cement panels or boards to be structural or to aid
>> as
>> support bracing. It tends to be more of a veneer than anything else.
>> Screw
>> or nail holes will wollow out in it if there is any stress added.
>>
>
> I would say that's good general advice, but it depends on the thickness,
> really.
> The stuff on my shed is at least 1/4" and it won't budge.
>
> The doors are probably 7'x3' and comprise of full sheets of cement board
> cut down to that size.
> Their wood "frames" are screwed directly to the cement board and have to
> mechanical fasteners or glue holding them to one another. In other
> words, the cememnt board is doing *all* the heavy lifting and it solely
> responsible for keeping the door square and up. Standard gate hinges
> hold the doors to the shed and they haven't sagged in 10 years.
I have replaced a majority of the Masonite siding on my home with Hardi
planks and built a store room about 7 years ago and used the same product.
Used the same product on a neighbors patio to close it in.
I used cross bracing to stiffen the studs on my store room, it wiggled like
crazy until I did that. Knowing that cement fiber board will wollow out I
was not going to trust just the Hardi and was advised also by the supplier.
They agreed that the fiber board is mostly for appearance.
My neighbors closed in patio did still wiggle a lot with the cement fiber
board until we added plywood paneling on the inside.
Your mileage may vary with local conditions but I live in hurricane country
and thankfully my shed held up wonderfully during Ike, 2 years ago, my fence
did not. ;~0
On Jul 30, 9:40=A0am, "JoeSpareBedroom" <[email protected]>
wrote:
> My girlfriend wants to have her grandkids paint a mural on her fence gate=
.
> It's a stockade fence and I think the rough surface will try the kids'
> patience. So, I thought about cutting a couple of 4x4 pieces of thin wood=
,
> beveling the edges so rain runs off, priming them, and letting the kids u=
se
> those as their "canvasses. A friend at a paint store offered to add vivid
> tints to several small batches taken from a gallon of white exterior late=
x.
> Coat the finished masterpieces with polyurethane or something. Attach to
> gate. We're already adding a gate roller because it tends to sag a bit. S=
o
> extra weight shouldn't be an issue.
>
> Plywood seems like a bad idea for this purpose due to the exposed edges,
> even if they're seemingly well protected. I can get 1/4" pieces of pretty
> much any common wood. Any suggestions?
Actually, MDO (Medium Density Overlay) plywood is made especially for
sign painting. It has a nice even surface for painting.
Luigi
"Lee Michaels" <[email protected]> wrote in message
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>
> "Leon" <[email protected]> wrote
>>
>> Your mileage may vary with local conditions but I live in hurricane
>> country and thankfully my shed held up wonderfully during Ike, 2 years
>> ago, my fence did not. ;~0
>>
> And the lesson is that you should have built the fence with Hardi planks!
> <G>
LOL, Hardi was not around in 1981 when the fence was originally built.
On 7/30/10 11:40 AM, JoeSpareBedroom wrote:
> My girlfriend wants to have her grandkids paint a mural on her fence gate.
> It's a stockade fence and I think the rough surface will try the kids'
> patience. So, I thought about cutting a couple of 4x4 pieces of thin wood,
> beveling the edges so rain runs off, priming them, and letting the kids use
> those as their "canvasses. A friend at a paint store offered to add vivid
> tints to several small batches taken from a gallon of white exterior latex.
> Coat the finished masterpieces with polyurethane or something. Attach to
> gate. We're already adding a gate roller because it tends to sag a bit. So
> extra weight shouldn't be an issue.
>
> Plywood seems like a bad idea for this purpose due to the exposed edges,
> even if they're seemingly well protected. I can get 1/4" pieces of pretty
> much any common wood. Any suggestions?
>
They may still make 4x8 sheets of concrete/composite sheathing that
looks like board & batten. It's pretty cheap, lasts forever, and cut
easily. It's also pre-primed and takes paint very well.
I used it on my shed and with the exception of mud splash and some
green-ish growth near the bottom, it looks new. I left it completely
untreated, btw.
I think it would be perfect for your project and could also square up
the gate.
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On 7/30/2010 7:24 PM, Leon wrote:
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>>
>>>> My girlfriend wants to have her grandkids paint a mural on her fence
>>>> gate.
>>
>> Use 1/8 inch masonite.
>> By the time it deteriorates, the grandkids
>> will have lost interest !
>
>
> You sure about that? Masonite used to make siding for homes that was 1/4"
> thick and it failed miserably in as little as 5 years. Been there done
> that.
That was actually International Paper IIRC. "Masonite" as a brand of
sheet goods doesn't seem to exist anymore. The stuff you find at
lumberyards that is commonly called "Masonite" is really "hardboard",
with the "tempered" kind being reasonably weather resistant as long as
it is painted and the edges are protected.
On the other hand, the "right" stuff to use for painting an outdoor
mural is probably medium density overlay, which is plywood with a smooth
phenolic-impregnated paper facing that is designed to take paint
well--its intended use is billboards and the like.
On 7/30/10 10:17 PM, Martin H. Eastburn wrote:
> I'd go for that - use a good can of kills or what it is - the stain or
> over paint coat. If you paint the front - paint the back for certain
> so moisture will be even if any.
>
> Martin
>
> Martin H. Eastburn
>
The paint/moisture thing is really a non-issue with that concrete stuff.
It doesn't soak or warp.
--
-MIKE-
"Playing is not something I do at night, it's my function in life"
--Elvin Jones (1927-2004)
--
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On 7/31/10 2:13 AM, JoeSpareBedroom wrote:
> "-MIKE-"<[email protected]> wrote in message
> news:[email protected]...
>> On 7/30/10 10:17 PM, Martin H. Eastburn wrote:
>>> I'd go for that - use a good can of kills or what it is - the stain or
>>> over paint coat. If you paint the front - paint the back for certain
>>> so moisture will be even if any.
>>>
>>> Martin
>>>
>>> Martin H. Eastburn
>>>
>>
>> The paint/moisture thing is really a non-issue with that concrete stuff.
>> It doesn't soak or warp.
>
>
> Sounds heavy. Maybe I'll need a more heavy-duty gate roller. But what the
> heck - it's for the grandkids. :) The older of the two (5) is a pretty
> amazing artist for her age.
>
You may not need any roller, since you can use it to square the gate.
We expect pictures of the art, btw. :-)
--
-MIKE-
"Playing is not something I do at night, it's my function in life"
--Elvin Jones (1927-2004)
--
http://mikedrums.com
[email protected]
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On 7/31/10 3:36 PM, Leon wrote:
>>> Sounds heavy. Maybe I'll need a more heavy-duty gate roller. But what the
>>> heck - it's for the grandkids. :) The older of the two (5) is a pretty
>>> amazing artist for her age.
>>>
>>
>> You may not need any roller, since you can use it to square the gate.
>> We expect pictures of the art, btw. :-)
>
>
> Dont depend on fiber cement panels or boards to be structural or to aid as
> support bracing. It tends to be more of a veneer than anything else. Screw
> or nail holes will wollow out in it if there is any stress added.
>
I would say that's good general advice, but it depends on the thickness,
really.
The stuff on my shed is at least 1/4" and it won't budge.
The doors are probably 7'x3' and comprise of full sheets of cement board
cut down to that size.
Their wood "frames" are screwed directly to the cement board and have to
mechanical fasteners or glue holding them to one another. In other
words, the cememnt board is doing *all* the heavy lifting and it solely
responsible for keeping the door square and up. Standard gate hinges
hold the doors to the shed and they haven't sagged in 10 years.
--
-MIKE-
"Playing is not something I do at night, it's my function in life"
--Elvin Jones (1927-2004)
--
http://mikedrums.com
[email protected]
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On 7/31/10 4:23 PM, Leon wrote:
> "-MIKE-"<[email protected]> wrote in message
> news:[email protected]...
>> On 7/31/10 3:36 PM, Leon wrote:
>>>>> Sounds heavy. Maybe I'll need a more heavy-duty gate roller. But what
>>>>> the
>>>>> heck - it's for the grandkids. :) The older of the two (5) is a pretty
>>>>> amazing artist for her age.
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> You may not need any roller, since you can use it to square the gate.
>>>> We expect pictures of the art, btw. :-)
>>>
>>>
>>> Dont depend on fiber cement panels or boards to be structural or to aid
>>> as
>>> support bracing. It tends to be more of a veneer than anything else.
>>> Screw
>>> or nail holes will wollow out in it if there is any stress added.
>>>
>>
>> I would say that's good general advice, but it depends on the thickness,
>> really.
>> The stuff on my shed is at least 1/4" and it won't budge.
>>
>> The doors are probably 7'x3' and comprise of full sheets of cement board
>> cut down to that size.
>> Their wood "frames" are screwed directly to the cement board and have to
>> mechanical fasteners or glue holding them to one another. In other
>> words, the cememnt board is doing *all* the heavy lifting and it solely
>> responsible for keeping the door square and up. Standard gate hinges
>> hold the doors to the shed and they haven't sagged in 10 years.
>
> I have replaced a majority of the Masonite siding on my home with Hardi
> planks and built a store room about 7 years ago and used the same product.
> Used the same product on a neighbors patio to close it in.
>
> I used cross bracing to stiffen the studs on my store room, it wiggled like
> crazy until I did that. Knowing that cement fiber board will wollow out I
> was not going to trust just the Hardi and was advised also by the supplier.
> They agreed that the fiber board is mostly for appearance.
>
> My neighbors closed in patio did still wiggle a lot with the cement fiber
> board until we added plywood paneling on the inside.
>
> Your mileage may vary with local conditions but I live in hurricane country
> and thankfully my shed held up wonderfully during Ike, 2 years ago, my fence
> did not. ;~0
>
I think we have two applications here and both are worth taking into
consideration.
There really isn't much force being applied to the stuff when it's hung
like a door. It's rigid enough on its own to support itself and some
added framing.
Ask it to keep a building wall rigid and you run into the wobble at the
fasteners as you describe, because its too much force.
As to the OP's intended purpose: I think he could trust it to keep a gate
square, just as it's kept square as doors in my application.
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--
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I'd go for that - use a good can of kills or what it is - the stain or
over paint coat. If you paint the front - paint the back for certain
so moisture will be even if any.
Martin
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On 7/30/2010 12:21 PM, -MIKE- wrote:
> On 7/30/10 11:40 AM, JoeSpareBedroom wrote:
>> My girlfriend wants to have her grandkids paint a mural on her fence gate.
>> It's a stockade fence and I think the rough surface will try the kids'
>> patience. So, I thought about cutting a couple of 4x4 pieces of thin wood,
>> beveling the edges so rain runs off, priming them, and letting the kids use
>> those as their "canvasses. A friend at a paint store offered to add vivid
>> tints to several small batches taken from a gallon of white exterior latex.
>> Coat the finished masterpieces with polyurethane or something. Attach to
>> gate. We're already adding a gate roller because it tends to sag a bit. So
>> extra weight shouldn't be an issue.
>>
>> Plywood seems like a bad idea for this purpose due to the exposed edges,
>> even if they're seemingly well protected. I can get 1/4" pieces of pretty
>> much any common wood. Any suggestions?
>>
>
> They may still make 4x8 sheets of concrete/composite sheathing that
> looks like board & batten. It's pretty cheap, lasts forever, and cut
> easily. It's also pre-primed and takes paint very well.
>
> I used it on my shed and with the exception of mud splash and some
> green-ish growth near the bottom, it looks new. I left it completely
> untreated, btw.
>
> I think it would be perfect for your project and could also square up the gate.
>
>
"-MIKE-" <[email protected]> wrote in message
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> On 7/31/10 4:23 PM, Leon wrote:
>>
>
> I think we have two applications here and both are worth taking into
> consideration.
Yes! LOL I believe you are correct.
> There really isn't much force being applied to the stuff when it's hung
> like a door. It's rigid enough on its own to support itself and some
> added framing.
Agreed, it can be fine in some applications.
>
> As to the OP's intended purpose: I think he could trust it to keep a gate
> square, just as it's kept square as doors in my application.
I visualized fiber cement board used as bracing instead of the usual wood
bracking and supports. Not in particular a larger single central piece.
<[email protected]> wrote in message
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>
>> > My girlfriend wants to have her grandkids paint a mural on her fence
>> > gate.
>
> Use 1/8 inch masonite.
> By the time it deteriorates, the grandkids
> will have lost interest !
You sure about that? Masonite used to make siding for homes that was 1/4"
thick and it failed miserably in as little as 5 years. Been there done
that.