What is it? (Amateur Version POST04)

On Saturday, April 18, 2015 at 9:15:29 AM UTC-4, John McCoy wrote:
> lef....com wrote in
> news:@googlegroups.com:
>
> > POST04_TOOL15
> > A heavy steel tool 67 inches long. The bottom end has a square cross
> > section ending in a dull four-sided point. The tool is slightly bowed
> > but it is not clear if this by design or from use.
> > https://www.dropbox.com/s/xup4zro4qlejbn9/POST04_TOOL15_PICALL.JPG?dl=0
> > It may be in the crowbar family but the end is not well designed for
> > prying, and the weight distribution is bottom heavy. The guy I got it
> > from said his father worked for the railroad. It could be placed in
> > the class of a plumbers digging tools or spud bars with a square lower
> > shaft and a pencil point.
>
> It's a ballast tamper then. Used for pushing the rock ballast
> between and under the crossties.
>
> I've done that, many years ago, altho the tampers we used had
> flat ends as I recall. It was painful work.
>
> John

Thanks John,
I found a picture of someone using a similar tool while working with a mechanical tamper. It's about 1/3 of the way down this page
http://trainmuseum.blogspot.com/
They are using it as a lever to remove a dip in the track.

L. Flynn

On Saturday, April 11, 2015 at 7:46:09 AM UTC-4, DerbyDad03 wrote:
> On Friday, April 10, 2015 at 10:04:17 PM UTC-4, [email protected] wrote:
> > POST04_TOOL14
> > A nine inch long metal tool in the adjustable vice grip family. When cl=
osed, the jaws form a rounded square with two small semicircular dips on op=
posite sides. A second opening in the shape of a rectangular slot is also f=
ormed.
> > https://www.dropbox.com/s/fo4hcwqe2yety3v/POST04_TOOL14_PICALL.JPG?dl=
=3D0
>=20
> Your Honor, I strongly object to the inclusion of POST04_TOOL14 in these =
proceedings. The presence of the welds clearly indicate that this is a high=
ly specialized tool, modified from its original purpose by person or person=
s known or unknown to this court.
>=20
> I refer this court to Defense Exhibit A, which clearly shows that special=
ized tools of the origin "Vice Grip", initially manufactured by the aforeme=
ntioned company, do not include the presence of the welds found on POST04_T=
OOL14.
>=20
> http://www.drumsanders.net/images/pictures/irwin-1078tray-10piece-visegri=
p-plier-set.jpg
>=20
> To expect my client to speculate as to what was in the maker's mind as he=
and/she was modifying a standard tool is not proper and could be harmful t=
o my client and to his reputation.

Good point. I have to admit that I do not use this tool as my unaltered vic=
e grips work fine for my tasks. I would add the information that when I pur=
chased this item, the adjustment was set so the clamp part close completely=
but not with great pressure as shown in the "closed" configuration picture=
s. In this case, the court welcomes speculation.

LEF

On Saturday, April 18, 2015 at 11:38:59 AM UTC-4, John McCoy wrote:
> [email protected] wrote in
> news:[email protected]:=20
>=20
> > On Saturday, April 18, 2015 at 9:15:29 AM UTC-4, John McCoy wrote:
>=20
> >> It's a ballast tamper then. Used for pushing the rock ballast
> >> between and under the crossties.
> >>=20
> >> I've done that, many years ago, altho the tampers we used had
> >> flat ends as I recall. It was painful work.
> >=20
> > Thanks John,
> > I found a picture of someone using a similar tool while working with a
> > mechanical tamper. It's about 1/3 of the way down this page=20
> > http://trainmuseum.blogspot.com/
> > They are using it as a lever to remove a dip in the track.
>=20
> Well, those guys are cheating, using a jack (and a mechanical
> tamper!).
>=20
> Seriously tho, we'd use jacks if we were changing out ties,
> put them under the rail and lift so it was easier to get the
> tie out. If we were tamping, we'd stick the end of one bar
> under the end of the tie, and use a block of wood or whatever
> was handy as a fulcrum, to lift the end of the tie. One guy
> would sit on that bar, and two others would use more bars to
> poke the ballast under the tie and pack it in tight around
> the edges.
>=20
> Like I say, painful work (hence the invention of mechanical
> tampers). Spiking rail was a lot easier.
>=20
> John

Speaking of railroads...

A few years ago SWMBO and I were on vacation and took a walk on the Lehigh =
Valley Trail in upstate NY. Parts of the trail pass by Rochester Junction, =
where the LVRR used to stop back in the early 1900's.=20

Along the way we saw a couple inside a RR building that looked like it was =
being renovated, so being curious, we stopped in to say Hi. The gentleman t=
urned out to be the guy in charge of a project to build a replica of the or=
iginal freight building on the same spot as the original. We got to chattin=
g about various aspects of the build and he told me that they were in a tim=
e crunch because the opening ceremonies were "next week" and they still a l=
ot of work to do on the interior. Looking around I could that he wasn't kid=
ding!=20

He said that there was a crew coming the next day but they sure could use a=
ll the extra hands they could find. I looked over at SWMBO and all she coul=
d say was "Oh, go ahead, I'll find something to do. How often does someone =
get to work on a project like this?"

So while she went shopping, I spent the day hanging wainscoting and chair r=
ails in this building...

http://i440.photobucket.com/albums/qq121/DerbyDad03/LVRR%20RJ%2007%2031%202=
013_33_resize_zpsrpdw7jq7.jpg

I wish I could have been around for the opening ceremonies, but we had move=
d on by the time they came around.

Tool 15 is a crowbar. The curvature is due to use, probably in digging post holes.

On Saturday, April 11, 2015 at 11:51:43 PM UTC-4, Martin Eastburn wrote:
> There area others than just those in the last hyperlink picture. I=20
> have at least one more.
>=20
> Vice Grip often made custom tools if the run was reasonable and could be=
=20
> an offshoot of an existing tool.
>=20
> Often tool companies make tool blanks up to a certain point and then=20
> wait for demand. Then a blank with handles becomes long noses, or gas=20
> pliers.
>=20
> That looks like a square nut locking pliers. Common pliers made were=20
> for Military needs and the electrical industry.
>=20
> Martin
>=20
> On 4/11/2015 7:26 AM, [email protected] wrote:
> > On Saturday, April 11, 2015 at 7:46:09 AM UTC-4, DerbyDad03 wrote:
> >> On Friday, April 10, 2015 at 10:04:17 PM UTC-4, [email protected] wro=
te:
> >>> POST04_TOOL14
> >>> A nine inch long metal tool in the adjustable vice grip family. When =
closed, the jaws form a rounded square with two small semicircular dips on =
opposite sides. A second opening in the shape of a rectangular slot is also=
formed.
> >>> https://www.dropbox.com/s/fo4hcwqe2yety3v/POST04_TOOL14_PICALL.JPG?dl=
=3D0
> >> Your Honor, I strongly object to the inclusion of POST04_TOOL14 in the=
se proceedings. The presence of the welds clearly indicate that this is a h=
ighly specialized tool, modified from its original purpose by person or per=
sons known or unknown to this court.
> >>
> >> I refer this court to Defense Exhibit A, which clearly shows that spec=
ialized tools of the origin "Vice Grip", initially manufactured by the afor=
ementioned company, do not include the presence of the welds found on POST0=
4_TOOL14.
> >>
> >> http://www.drumsanders.net/images/pictures/irwin-1078tray-10piece-vise=
grip-plier-set.jpg
> >>
> >> To expect my client to speculate as to what was in the maker's mind as=
he and/she was modifying a standard tool is not proper and could be harmfu=
l to my client and to his reputation.
> >
> > Good point. I have to admit that I do not use this tool as my unaltered=
vice grips work fine for my work. I would add the information that when I =
purchased this item, the adjustment was set so the clamp part close complet=
ely but not with great pressure as shown in the "closed" configuration pict=
ures.
> > LEF
> >

No argument about Vice Grip making limited runs of specialized tools. Howev=
er, I would be surprised if they offered tools with the welds looking like =
they do on TOOL14. Just sayin'.

As usual, thanks for the helpful posts.

POST04_TOOL13
https://www.dropbox.com/s/wvbt81onn9yzmyk/POST04_TOOL13_PICALL.JPG?dl=3D0
This is trampoline spring loading tool. It can also be used as a tent peg p=
uller. The bent part is used to stretch the springs to attach them to or re=
move them from the slots in the frame. The other side of the springs are ho=
ok to the bed.
http://www.amazon.com/Trampoline-Spring-Loading-Tool-Puller/dp/B00AAUMISC

POST04_TOOL14
https://www.dropbox.com/s/fo4hcwqe2yety3v/POST04_TOOL14_PICALL.JPG?dl=3D0
These vice grips=20
http://www.drumsanders.net/images/pictures/irwin-1078tray-10piece-visegrip-=
plier-set.jpg
have been altered by welding two pieces to the jaws. Suggestions are that t=
hey were used to turn a shaft or hold other items to weld.

POST04_TOOL15
A heavy steel tool 67 inches long. The bottom end has a square cross sectio=
n ending in a dull four-sided point. The tool is slightly bowed but it is n=
ot clear if this by design or from use.
https://www.dropbox.com/s/xup4zro4qlejbn9/POST04_TOOL15_PICALL.JPG?dl=3D0
It may be in the crowbar family but the end is not well designed for prying=
, and the weight distribution is bottom heavy. The guy I got it from said h=
is father worked for the railroad. It could be placed in the class of a plu=
mbers digging tools or spud bars with a square lower shaft and a pencil poi=
nt.

POST04_TOOL16
https://www.dropbox.com/s/zt12ptjess0uxme/POST04_TOOL16_PICALL.JPG?dl=3D0
This is a CF-71 Spark Plug Gapping Tool
http://www.collectingsnapon.com/index.php?page=3Dpliers/SparkPlugGapping

L Flynn

On 4/11/2015 2:16 AM, [email protected] wrote:
> Tool 15 is a crowbar. The curvature is due to use, probably in digging post holes.
>
>
>
Absolutely not.
This is for digging in hard ground.
Often used as a probe for septic fields to see if they are performing.
Breaking rock when digging holes..


--
Jeff

[email protected] wrote in
news:[email protected]:

> POST04_TOOL14
> A nine inch long metal tool in the adjustable vice grip family. When
> closed, the jaws form a rounded square with two small semicircular
> dips on opposite sides. A second opening in the shape of a rectangular
> slot is also formed.
> https://www.dropbox.com/s/fo4hcwqe2yety3v/POST04_TOOL14_PICALL.JPG?dl=
0

Clearly a welders (or brazers) tool...intended to hold something
round while it was being welded.

> POST04_TOOL15
> A heavy steel tool 67 inches long. The bottom end has a square cross
> section ending in a dull four-sided point. The tool is slightly bowed
> but it is not clear if this by design or from use.
> https://www.dropbox.com/s/xup4zro4qlejbn9/POST04_TOOL15_PICALL.JPG?dl=
0

I would say that's a fire iron, intended to break up clinker
in a coal fire, except those usually have a T handle on the
end. Definately intended to pound on something rocky to
break it up.

John

(who's really curious to know what #16 is)

[email protected] wrote in
news:[email protected]:

> POST04_TOOL15
> A heavy steel tool 67 inches long. The bottom end has a square cross
> section ending in a dull four-sided point. The tool is slightly bowed
> but it is not clear if this by design or from use.
> https://www.dropbox.com/s/xup4zro4qlejbn9/POST04_TOOL15_PICALL.JPG?dl=0
> It may be in the crowbar family but the end is not well designed for
> prying, and the weight distribution is bottom heavy. The guy I got it
> from said his father worked for the railroad. It could be placed in
> the class of a plumbers digging tools or spud bars with a square lower
> shaft and a pencil point.

It's a ballast tamper then. Used for pushing the rock ballast
between and under the crossties.

I've done that, many years ago, altho the tampers we used had
flat ends as I recall. It was painful work.

John

[email protected] wrote in
news:[email protected]:

> On Saturday, April 18, 2015 at 9:15:29 AM UTC-4, John McCoy wrote:

>> It's a ballast tamper then. Used for pushing the rock ballast
>> between and under the crossties.
>>
>> I've done that, many years ago, altho the tampers we used had
>> flat ends as I recall. It was painful work.
>
> Thanks John,
> I found a picture of someone using a similar tool while working with a
> mechanical tamper. It's about 1/3 of the way down this page
> http://trainmuseum.blogspot.com/
> They are using it as a lever to remove a dip in the track.

Well, those guys are cheating, using a jack (and a mechanical
tamper!).

Seriously tho, we'd use jacks if we were changing out ties,
put them under the rail and lift so it was easier to get the
tie out. If we were tamping, we'd stick the end of one bar
under the end of the tie, and use a block of wood or whatever
was handy as a fulcrum, to lift the end of the tie. One guy
would sit on that bar, and two others would use more bars to
poke the ballast under the tie and pack it in tight around
the edges.

Like I say, painful work (hence the invention of mechanical
tampers). Spiking rail was a lot easier.

John

DanG <[email protected]> wrote in news:[email protected]:

> I've always known them as spud bars. Many call them Johnson bars
> which turns out being a brand name like Kleenex.

I don't think so. "Johnson bar" to refer to a long bar
or lever goes back to the early 1800's, long before the
invention of brand names.

John

On Friday, April 10, 2015 at 10:04:17 PM UTC-4, [email protected] wrote:

>
> POST04_TOOL14
> A nine inch long metal tool in the adjustable vice grip family. When closed, the jaws form a rounded square with two small semicircular dips on opposite sides. A second opening in the shape of a rectangular slot is also formed.
> https://www.dropbox.com/s/fo4hcwqe2yety3v/POST04_TOOL14_PICALL.JPG?dl=0
>

Your Honor, I strongly object to the inclusion of POST04_TOOL14 in these proceedings. The presence of the welds clearly indicate that this is a highly specialized tool, modified from its original purpose by person or persons known or unknown to this court.

I refer this court to Defense Exhibit A, which clearly shows that specialized tools of the origin "Vice Grip", initially manufactured by the aforementioned company, do not include the presence of the welds found on POST04_TOOL14.

http://www.drumsanders.net/images/pictures/irwin-1078tray-10piece-visegrip-plier-set.jpg

To expect my client to speculate as to what was in the maker's mind as he and/she was modifying a standard tool is not proper and could be harmful to my client and to his reputation.

On Friday, April 10, 2015 at 9:04:17 PM UTC-5, [email protected] wrote:
> Here is the fourth post in the series. As usual, I will try to answer que=
stions about their composition, size and how they can move. Pictures are pr=
ovide via dropbox. There is one composite image per tool.
>=20
> POST04_TOOL13
> This metal tool is approximately five inches long. There is a round metal=
rod with a 95-degree bend (slightly overbent to create a little less than =
a right angle) at one end. At the other end, the rod pierces and is welded =
at 90 degrees to the midpoint of a hollow metal tube.
> https://www.dropbox.com/s/wvbt81onn9yzmyk/POST04_TOOL13_PICALL.JPG?dl=3D0
>=20
> POST04_TOOL14
> A nine inch long metal tool in the adjustable vice grip family. When clos=
ed, the jaws form a rounded square with two small semicircular dips on oppo=
site sides. A second opening in the shape of a rectangular slot is also for=
med.
> https://www.dropbox.com/s/fo4hcwqe2yety3v/POST04_TOOL14_PICALL.JPG?dl=3D0
>=20
> POST04_TOOL15
> A heavy steel tool 67 inches long. The bottom end has a square cross sect=
ion ending in a dull four-sided point. The tool is slightly bowed but it is=
not clear if this by design or from use.
> https://www.dropbox.com/s/xup4zro4qlejbn9/POST04_TOOL15_PICALL.JPG?dl=3D0
>=20
> POST04_TOOL16
> A metal tool approximately eight inches long. The handles are kept open b=
y a simple expansion spring requiring four pounds to oppose it. One jaw has=
a pivoting metal semicircle attached to it. The other jaw has a metal disc=
with tabs extending from it. The disc can be rotated to select from ten di=
fferent tabs. The tabs are numbered [22,25,26,28,30,32,35,36,38,40].
> https://www.dropbox.com/s/zt12ptjess0uxme/POST04_TOOL16_PICALL.JPG?dl=3D0
>=20
> L Flynn

# 16 is a tool to set the gap on spark plugs.

Deb

On Saturday, April 11, 2015 at 7:46:09 AM UTC-4, DerbyDad03 wrote:
> On Friday, April 10, 2015 at 10:04:17 PM UTC-4, [email protected] wrote:
> > POST04_TOOL14
> > A nine inch long metal tool in the adjustable vice grip family. When cl=
osed, the jaws form a rounded square with two small semicircular dips on op=
posite sides. A second opening in the shape of a rectangular slot is also f=
ormed.
> > https://www.dropbox.com/s/fo4hcwqe2yety3v/POST04_TOOL14_PICALL.JPG?dl=
=3D0
> Your Honor, I strongly object to the inclusion of POST04_TOOL14 in these =
proceedings. The presence of the welds clearly indicate that this is a high=
ly specialized tool, modified from its original purpose by person or person=
s known or unknown to this court.
>=20
> I refer this court to Defense Exhibit A, which clearly shows that special=
ized tools of the origin "Vice Grip", initially manufactured by the aforeme=
ntioned company, do not include the presence of the welds found on POST04_T=
OOL14.
>=20
> http://www.drumsanders.net/images/pictures/irwin-1078tray-10piece-visegri=
p-plier-set.jpg
>=20
> To expect my client to speculate as to what was in the maker's mind as he=
and/she was modifying a standard tool is not proper and could be harmful t=
o my client and to his reputation.

Good point. I have to admit that I do not use this tool as my unaltered vic=
e grips work fine for my work. I would add the information that when I purc=
hased this item, the adjustment was set so the clamp part close completely =
but not with great pressure as shown in the "closed" configuration pictures=
.
LEF

There area others than just those in the last hyperlink picture. I
have at least one more.

Vice Grip often made custom tools if the run was reasonable and could be
an offshoot of an existing tool.

Often tool companies make tool blanks up to a certain point and then
wait for demand. Then a blank with handles becomes long noses, or gas
pliers.

That looks like a square nut locking pliers. Common pliers made were
for Military needs and the electrical industry.

Martin

On 4/11/2015 7:26 AM, [email protected] wrote:
> On Saturday, April 11, 2015 at 7:46:09 AM UTC-4, DerbyDad03 wrote:
>> On Friday, April 10, 2015 at 10:04:17 PM UTC-4, [email protected] wrote:
>>> POST04_TOOL14
>>> A nine inch long metal tool in the adjustable vice grip family. When closed, the jaws form a rounded square with two small semicircular dips on opposite sides. A second opening in the shape of a rectangular slot is also formed.
>>> https://www.dropbox.com/s/fo4hcwqe2yety3v/POST04_TOOL14_PICALL.JPG?dl=0
>> Your Honor, I strongly object to the inclusion of POST04_TOOL14 in these proceedings. The presence of the welds clearly indicate that this is a highly specialized tool, modified from its original purpose by person or persons known or unknown to this court.
>>
>> I refer this court to Defense Exhibit A, which clearly shows that specialized tools of the origin "Vice Grip", initially manufactured by the aforementioned company, do not include the presence of the welds found on POST04_TOOL14.
>>
>> http://www.drumsanders.net/images/pictures/irwin-1078tray-10piece-visegrip-plier-set.jpg
>>
>> To expect my client to speculate as to what was in the maker's mind as he and/she was modifying a standard tool is not proper and could be harmful to my client and to his reputation.
>
> Good point. I have to admit that I do not use this tool as my unaltered vice grips work fine for my work. I would add the information that when I purchased this item, the adjustment was set so the clamp part close completely but not with great pressure as shown in the "closed" configuration pictures.
> LEF
>

On 4/10/15, 8:04 PM, [email protected] wrote:

>
> POST04_TOOL16
> A metal tool approximately eight inches long. The handles are kept open by a simple expansion spring requiring four pounds to oppose it. One jaw has a pivoting metal semicircle attached to it. The other jaw has a metal disc with tabs extending from it. The disc can be rotated to select from ten different tabs. The tabs are numbered [22,25,26,28,30,32,35,36,38,40].
> https://www.dropbox.com/s/zt12ptjess0uxme/POST04_TOOL16_PICALL.JPG?dl=0

Hmmm, a clear side view would help but this reminds me of a spark plug
gapper.

-BR

>
> L Flynn
>


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woodchucker <[email protected]> wrote in
news:[email protected]:

> On 4/11/2015 2:16 AM, [email protected] wrote:
>> Tool 15 is a crowbar. The curvature is due to use, probably in
>> digging post holes.
>>
>>
>>
> Absolutely not.
> This is for digging in hard ground.
> Often used as a probe for septic fields to see if they are performing.
> Breaking rock when digging holes..
>
It goes by various names. It does appear to be called a "crow bar" in some
countries, and long ago. Here one of the names is "spud bar".

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On 4/10/2015 9:04 PM, [email protected] wrote:
> Here is the fourth post in the series. As usual, I will try to answer questions about their composition, size and how they can move. Pictures are provide via dropbox. There is one composite image per tool.
>
> POST04_TOOL13
> This metal tool is approximately five inches long. There is a round metal rod with a 95-degree bend (slightly overbent to create a little less than a right angle) at one end. At the other end, the rod pierces and is welded at 90 degrees to the midpoint of a hollow metal tube.
> https://www.dropbox.com/s/wvbt81onn9yzmyk/POST04_TOOL13_PICALL.JPG?dl=0
> spring puller


> POST04_TOOL14
> A nine inch long metal tool in the adjustable vice grip family. When closed, the jaws form a rounded square with two small semicircular dips on opposite sides. A second opening in the shape of a rectangular slot is also formed.
> https://www.dropbox.com/s/fo4hcwqe2yety3v/POST04_TOOL14_PICALL.JPG?dl=0
for crimping brass ferrules on oxy/acetalyn fittings and welding cable ends


>
> POST04_TOOL15
> A heavy steel tool 67 inches long. The bottom end has a square cross section ending in a dull four-sided point. The tool is slightly bowed but it is not clear if this by design or from use.
> https://www.dropbox.com/s/xup4zro4qlejbn9/POST04_TOOL15_PICALL.JPG?dl=0
I've always known them as spud bars. Many call them Johnson bars which
turns out being a brand name like Kleenex.


>
> POST04_TOOL16
> A metal tool approximately eight inches long. The handles are kept open by a simple expansion spring requiring four pounds to oppose it. One jaw has a pivoting metal semicircle attached to it. The other jaw has a metal disc with tabs extending from it. The disc can be rotated to select from ten different tabs. The tabs are numbered [22,25,26,28,30,32,35,36,38,40].
> https://www.dropbox.com/s/zt12ptjess0uxme/POST04_TOOL16_PICALL.JPG?dl=0
spark plug gapper>
> L Flynn
>

I agree. Those might be a custom set made by a farmer. All of them
weld to some extent and square nuts are common on the farm.

That looks like a model 0AR 0A is the model and R is right handed.


Martin

On 4/12/2015 7:13 AM, DerbyDad03 wrote:
> On Saturday, April 11, 2015 at 11:51:43 PM UTC-4, Martin Eastburn wrote:
>> There area others than just those in the last hyperlink picture. I
>> have at least one more.
>>
>> Vice Grip often made custom tools if the run was reasonable and could be
>> an offshoot of an existing tool.
>>
>> Often tool companies make tool blanks up to a certain point and then
>> wait for demand. Then a blank with handles becomes long noses, or gas
>> pliers.
>>
>> That looks like a square nut locking pliers. Common pliers made were
>> for Military needs and the electrical industry.
>>
>> Martin
>>
>> On 4/11/2015 7:26 AM, [email protected] wrote:
>>> On Saturday, April 11, 2015 at 7:46:09 AM UTC-4, DerbyDad03 wrote:
>>>> On Friday, April 10, 2015 at 10:04:17 PM UTC-4, [email protected] wrote:
>>>>> POST04_TOOL14
>>>>> A nine inch long metal tool in the adjustable vice grip family. When closed, the jaws form a rounded square with two small semicircular dips on opposite sides. A second opening in the shape of a rectangular slot is also formed.
>>>>> https://www.dropbox.com/s/fo4hcwqe2yety3v/POST04_TOOL14_PICALL.JPG?dl=0
>>>> Your Honor, I strongly object to the inclusion of POST04_TOOL14 in these proceedings. The presence of the welds clearly indicate that this is a highly specialized tool, modified from its original purpose by person or persons known or unknown to this court.
>>>>
>>>> I refer this court to Defense Exhibit A, which clearly shows that specialized tools of the origin "Vice Grip", initially manufactured by the aforementioned company, do not include the presence of the welds found on POST04_TOOL14.
>>>>
>>>> http://www.drumsanders.net/images/pictures/irwin-1078tray-10piece-visegrip-plier-set.jpg
>>>>
>>>> To expect my client to speculate as to what was in the maker's mind as he and/she was modifying a standard tool is not proper and could be harmful to my client and to his reputation.
>>>
>>> Good point. I have to admit that I do not use this tool as my unaltered vice grips work fine for my work. I would add the information that when I purchased this item, the adjustment was set so the clamp part close completely but not with great pressure as shown in the "closed" configuration pictures.
>>> LEF
>>>
>
> No argument about Vice Grip making limited runs of specialized tools. However, I would be surprised if they offered tools with the welds looking like they do on TOOL14. Just sayin'.
>