Group,
I feel compelled to write this post, as a lurker of this newsgroup for some
time, a poser of questions, a relatively newbie to serious woodworking and
as someone who has survived a career in heavy and highway construction for
37+ years I had remained unscathed, until now.
After work ended today, (I am currently a instructor for our craft as well
as Safety trainer for our membership), I ended up working in my shop area to
cut and bevel some 4" oak pieces so I could join them to form a 4" leg for a
mission style table that I am currently working on. My tool of choice is my
PM 3000 with a just sharpened WWII blade to put the 45 on both sides of
these boards to I can start gluing them up to form the leg. I pulled several
boards that were previously jointed and planed to size and started cutting
them down into a more manageable size, closer to the final lengths thinking
it would be safer working with smaller pieces (31"+/-).
After running the 16 pieces through the saw the first time, I noticed that a
couple of them appeared to be a bit wider, because there was still a flat
spot on the bevel side. At this point I must tell you, this saw scares the
sh*t out of me every time I use it, I have the utmost respect for its
ability and maintain the area around it free an anything that might impede
the work going thru. At this point, the easy answer was to take a 1/8 of the
dimension, and run them through again to remove this flat spot and complete
the bevel. I got through all but a couple, when for no apparent reason (I am
still trying to figure out how this actually occurred) my thumb came in
contact with the blade. Having seen all of the video's on the subject posted
on the web some of them I actually use when teaching tool safety, I was very
much surprised with this momentary contact with the spinning blade. Pulling
my hand back and after a fast look at the cut and then immediately squeezing
my thumb with my other hand I was again surprised with first the lack of
blood immediately as well the lack of any feeling or pain at this point. I
found some paper towels, folded a rough bandage and wrapped it around my
thumb. Near as I could tell for the initial view, the cut was fairly
restricted to the meaty part of the bottom of my thumb, just shy of the tip
and extending an inch or so down the thumb and perhaps 3/16 wide and about
the same deep. Looking around the shop I finally found some masking tape,
and prepared to replace the initial bandage with something a little more
substantial. Now up until now, there has been very little (in my estimation)
blood from this cut, however upon removing the temporary bandage, this
changed abruptly. Still without any panic or pain, I managed to change
bandages, take another look at the damage and wrap it back up. Knowing from
previous cut and such I have managed to get over the years, I knew that the
masking tape would not be able to close the cut and with this second
bandage, I starting looking for duct tape but ended up finding my preferred
tape material, electrical tape. I proceeded to again re-bandage using the
electrical tape to close the gap, and the bleeding had slowed considerably.
I elected at this point to begin the trip home where I could re-dress this
properly after stopping to get a supply of bandages, tape and misc first aid
stuff (which I will now keep in the shop). At this time, about 4 hours
later, the cut has stopped bleeding and the healing process has started. I
rationalized that since it is a removal of material, stitches would not be a
good option at this point and have a wait and see attitude for the morning.
There is no pain and just an occasional throbbing but otherwise I think I
have been very fortunate to get away lightly with such a stupid move on my
part. I am thankful that the blade was at a angle, which limited the amount
of contact that was made and or the depth of the cut. The somewhat funny
part is earlier today. I was at a local tool supplier and was looking at the
saw stop saw, because of the fear that this saw instills in me when I use
it.
I am not sure what another newbie might get from this, other than to use the
utmost car when operating this equipment, I consider myself lucky for this
minor lesson as I have seen the results far worse encounters.
Steve Turner wrote:
> On 2/1/2011 1:31 PM, Sonny wrote:
>> Antibiotics? *You can let your shop dog lick your wound. Since
>> dog's skin is not vascular, when they get cut, they repeatedly lick
>> their wound to keep it clean and "bug" free. Their saliva is very
>> effective.
>
> You might want to make sure the dog doesn't drink from the toilet
> first.
Or hasn't just finished licking his...
--
-Mike-
[email protected]
On Jan 31, 8:49=A0pm, "SteveA" <[email protected]> wrote:
> Group,
>
Your post grabbed my attention because parts of it remind me very much
of what I did about 10 years ago. Except the pain part. Mine hurt!
I was making a handful of small identical parts to use as spacers in a
project. These are the kind of small parts that can gather up beyond
the blade as you feed one after another through the saw. When I
finished, I turned the saw off, gathered the small parts and started
to walk away. For some reason, I looked back and saw one piece still
on the table just past the blade. I reached over to pick it up and
heard and felt "tink, tink, tink, tink." The blade was still spinning
and caught the pointer finger of my right hand, lacerating it to the
bone. My wound too took some time to start bleeding but when it did,
blood flowed freely. holding my finger tight, I managed to get into
the house and grabbed a towel from the front of the kitchen. By then,
my wife heard the commotion, and rushed to the kitchen to see an
already soaked red towel.
Long story short, it removed much of the end of the finger and nicked
the bone, requiring a round of antibiotics. I ran around with a
splint to protect my finger for a week or so; a constant reason to
have to explain my stupidity to every one who asked. That was ten
years ago and the finger still has a thick, callous-like scar that is
sensitive to cold. The thing that bugs me most about the incident was
what I did about a week prior to the accident. I actually had the
audacity to tell my wife "You know, I have been lucky. I have been
woodworking for more than 25 years and have not had an injury". On
thinking back this reflected a bit of arrogance that I paid for.
Since then I have developed a habit of looking directly at the blade,
or cutter head from the time the stock enters the cutting zone until
the blade STOP TURNING. Once the operation is finished, I do nothing
until that blade or cutter stops moving, Of course I have to look
down to turn off switches, etc, but my attention is on the blade until
it stops.
RonB
"SteveA" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> Group,
>
> I feel compelled to write this post, as a lurker of this newsgroup for
> some time, a poser of questions, a relatively newbie to serious
> woodworking and as someone who has survived a career in heavy and highway
> construction for 37+ years I had remained unscathed, until now.
Ahhhhh been there done that. Glad to see you are up to posting your
experience.
And thanks for pointing out that you are a safety instructor for this type
work, and that you are still clueless how this all happened.
It is extremely hard to understand how your knowledge of the tool and
knowledge of all the safety rules is not a guarantee to keep you safe.
Until it happens to you, you really have no idea how fast and unexpedily an
accident can happen.
It tool me 1 year to understand how I cut half my thumb off, I almost did
it again. That was 20 years ago after woodworking seriousely the previous
10 years. Adding one more safety rule to my list has kept me unharmed for
the last 20 however I know that later today I could loose a hand. It is
called an accident for a reason.
BTY, the size of the machine does not increase the likelyhood or severity of
the damage that can be done.
On Jan 31, 9:49=A0pm, "SteveA" <[email protected]> wrote:
> Group,
>
> I feel compelled to write this post, as a lurker of this newsgroup for so=
me
> time, a poser of questions, a relatively newbie to serious woodworking an=
d
> as someone who has survived a career in heavy and highway construction fo=
r
> 37+ years I had remained unscathed, until now.
>
> After work ended today, (I am currently a instructor for our craft as wel=
l
> as Safety trainer for our membership), I ended up working in my shop area=
to
> cut and bevel some 4" oak pieces so I could join them to form a 4" leg fo=
r a
> mission style table that I am currently working on. My tool of choice is =
my
> PM 3000 with a just sharpened WWII blade to put the 45 on both sides of
> these boards to I can start gluing them up to form the leg. I pulled seve=
ral
> boards that were previously jointed and planed to size and started cuttin=
g
> them down into a more manageable size, closer to the final lengths thinki=
ng
> it would be safer working with smaller pieces (31"+/-).
>
> After running the 16 pieces through the saw the first time, I noticed tha=
t a
> couple of them appeared to be a bit wider, because there was still a flat
> spot on the bevel side. At this point I must tell you, this saw scares th=
e
> sh*t out of me every time I use it, I have the utmost respect for its
> ability and maintain the area around it free an anything that might imped=
e
> the work going thru. At this point, the easy answer was to take a 1/8 of =
the
> dimension, and run them through again to remove this flat spot and comple=
te
> the bevel. I got through all but a couple, when for no apparent reason (I=
am
> still trying to figure out how this actually occurred) my thumb came in
> contact with the blade. Having seen all of the video's on the subject pos=
ted
> on the web some of them I actually use when teaching tool safety, I was v=
ery
> much surprised with this momentary contact with the spinning blade. Pulli=
ng
> my hand back and after a fast look at the cut and then immediately squeez=
ing
> my thumb with my other hand I was again surprised with first the lack of
> blood immediately as well the lack of any feeling or pain at this point. =
I
> found some paper towels, folded a rough bandage and wrapped it around my
> thumb. Near as I could tell for the initial =A0view, the cut was fairly
> restricted to the meaty part of the bottom of my thumb, just shy of the t=
ip
> and extending an inch or so down the thumb and perhaps 3/16 wide and abou=
t
> the same deep. Looking around the shop I finally found some masking tape,
> and prepared to replace the initial bandage with something a little more
> substantial. Now up until now, there has been very little (in my estimati=
on)
> blood from this cut, however upon removing the temporary bandage, this
> changed abruptly. Still without any panic or pain, I managed to change
> bandages, take another look at the damage and wrap it back up. Knowing fr=
om
> previous cut and such I have managed to get over the years, I knew that t=
he
> masking tape would not be able to close the cut and with this second
> bandage, I starting looking for duct tape but ended up finding my preferr=
ed
> tape material, electrical tape. I proceeded to again re-bandage using the
> electrical tape to close the gap, and the bleeding had slowed considerabl=
y.
>
> I elected at this point to begin the trip home where I could re-dress thi=
s
> properly after stopping to get a supply of bandages, tape and misc first =
aid
> stuff (which I will now keep in the shop). =A0At this time, about 4 hours
> later, the cut has stopped bleeding and the healing process has started. =
I
> rationalized that since it is a removal of material, stitches would not b=
e a
> good option at this point and have a wait and see attitude for the mornin=
g.
> There is no pain and just an occasional throbbing but otherwise I think I
> have been very fortunate to get away lightly with such a stupid move on m=
y
> part. I am thankful that the blade was at a angle, which limited the amou=
nt
> of contact that was made and or the depth of the cut. The somewhat funny
> part is earlier today. I was at a local tool supplier and was looking at =
the
> saw stop saw, because of the fear that this saw instills in me when I use
> it.
>
> I am not sure what another newbie might get from this, other than to use =
the
> utmost car when operating this equipment, I consider myself lucky for thi=
s
> minor lesson as I have seen the results far worse encounters.
Been there, done that. as the saying goes. Nicked my index finger good
when it got sucked into a RAS. At least you learned from it.
And it isn't all in the experience part either. My dad was killed
one year and one week ago. He was 67 and had been in construction for
44 years and fell from a scaffold while climbing out on it. Something
that he had done countless times in the past.
Be thankful that it wasn't more severe. The scar will be a good
reminder though always use a push-block.
Allen
"Edward Hennessey" wrote
> Steri-
> strips, a type of butterfly bandaid that is a substitute for
> stitches.
-------------------------
Butterfly strap bandage made from some adhesive tape and a pair of
dressing shears was one first piece of first aid treatment my dad
taught me as a kid.
Keep a bottle of betadine in my first aid ditty bag on board boat or
in the shop.
Replace it every two years to keep it fresh.
Lew
On Wed, 2 Feb 2011 08:51:52 -0800, "Edward Hennessey"
<[email protected]> wrote:
>
>"Larry Jaques" <[email protected]> wrote in message
>news:[email protected]...
>> On Tue, 1 Feb 2011 21:14:35 -0800, "Edward Hennessey"
>> <[email protected]> wrote:
>>>LJ:
>>>
>>>My further interest, in accord with yours, is "totally tubular" (see
>>>above),
>>>as the aging slang goes.
>>>
>>>>>But maybe Uncle Milton's (RIP) farm may support a colony of suture
>>>>>ants.
>>>>>I'm thinking seamstresses might also be a market.
>>>>
>>>> That's gotta hurt, y'know?
>>>>
>>>
>>>LJ:
>>>
>>>The ants, absolutely. And men of the cloth, for sure. I don't even
>>>want
>>>to talk of a hair shirt, like,
>>
>> _Fountainhead_ is on my reading list and on my bookshelf. Loved
>> _Atlas
>> Shrugged_, to be sure.
>>
>>
>>>on F I R E . But, every person to his own penance. Suture
>>>self....
>>
>> Oh, I had responded only to "suture ants". >
>
>LJ:
>
>Wow. If you can put your ants in suits, you can put a man on Venus....
If you put on a suit, you'd have it over Uranus, or some such
spelling.
>>>Please us hear how you do at evictions. Having an intimate
>>>familiarity with
>>>Mr. Tarantula Hawk
>>>( http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Schmidt_Sting_Pain_Index )
>>>I am uninterested in moving up in class.
>>
>> OuchOuchOuchOuchOuch. Like, MegaDittoes, dude.
>
>The thing is, they are honestly beautiful beyond the justice of
>photography. And hard workers? They short hop all day long.
Gorgeous! http://tinyurl.com/66kaw9l
>> Who is John Galt?
>
>I shrug my shoulders a lot lately...must be that danged Atlas
>vertebra kicking up again.
Yeah, same here.
>This was sent to me on Ayn Rand/Ann O'Connor recently:
>http://www.good.is/post/conservative-darling-ayn-rand-died-loving-government-handouts/
Cord is a libdick from HelL.A. What could he know? Note the tres
chic (nah, sleazy) 2-day growth of beard. Well, at least he's posting
something of inestimable value, like http://tinyurl.com/4ubvhvc
>I shrugged at that too. But you never know until you verify. If that's
>askew, it would be noteworthy. But off to the wheel.
I found a gazillion liberal blogs spouting off about it, but nothing
concrete showed up on Snopes or other such research site.
--
Woe be to him that reads but one book.
-- George Herbert
"Larry Jaques" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> On Wed, 2 Feb 2011 08:51:52 -0800, "Edward Hennessey"
> <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>>
>>"Larry Jaques" <[email protected]> wrote in message
>>news:[email protected]...
>>> On Tue, 1 Feb 2011 21:14:35 -0800, "Edward Hennessey"
>>> <[email protected]> wrote:
SNIP
LJ:
>>>>Please us hear how you do at evictions. Having an intimate
>>>>familiarity with
>>>>Mr. Tarantula Hawk
>>>>( http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Schmidt_Sting_Pain_Index )
>>>>I am uninterested in moving up in class.
>>>
>>> OuchOuchOuchOuchOuch. Like, MegaDittoes, dude.
>>
>>The thing is, they are honestly beautiful beyond the justice of
>>photography. And hard workers? They short hop all day long.
>
> Gorgeous! http://tinyurl.com/66kaw9l
>
>
>>> Who is John Galt?
>>
>>I shrug my shoulders a lot lately...must be that danged Atlas
>>vertebra kicking up again.
>
> Yeah, same here.
>
>
>>This was sent to me on Ayn Rand/Ann O'Connor recently:
>>http://www.good.is/post/conservative-darling-ayn-rand-died-loving-government-handouts/
>
> Cord is a libdick from HelL.A. What could he know? Note the tres
> chic (nah, sleazy) 2-day growth of beard. Well, at least he's
> posting
> something of inestimable value, like http://tinyurl.com/4ubvhvc
Well, he and the others are digging themselves a very deep dirt nap if
there
isn't meat in this one. I don't know when it broke. An advanced search
with date restriction would tell. Given the obvious instinct of Rand
afficionados
to vindicate her from a slur and their industrious abilities, a
convincing rebuttal
equipped with factual citations should occur within a predictable time
period.
I would be happy to boomerang that to my informant if he was pulling
the trigger
on an empty barrel. He's not a knee jerk. If reasonable people can
agree on
anything, it is that history says the price of principle in crucial
moments is
quite often the principle of price. Either way, fair is fair, it would
be nice to
see where this goes to root.
Responsive to_content_in the URL above--Tweety tweets and owls are
wise
for silence.
You might enjoy a book I read moons ago "The Nobility of Failure:
Tragic Heroes in the
History of Japan". It's available; sincerity readable.
Regards,
Edward Hennessey
SteveA wrote:
<snip>
> I got through
> all but a couple, when for no apparent reason (I am still trying to
> figure out how this actually occurred) my thumb came in contact with
> the blade.
Ouch! :(
> I am not sure what another newbie might get from this, other than to
> use the utmost car when operating this equipment, I consider myself
> lucky for this minor lesson as I have seen the results far worse
> encounters.
Thanks for posting. What everybody got was a reminder to be careful.
Always vigilant. Plus some excellent medical info.
--
dadiOH
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SteveA wrote:
<snip>
> I got through
> all but a couple, when for no apparent reason (I am still trying to
> figure out how this actually occurred) my thumb came in contact with
> the blade.
Ouch! :(
> I am not sure what another newbie might get from this, other than to
> use the utmost car when operating this equipment, I consider myself
> lucky for this minor lesson as I have seen the results far worse
> encounters.
Thanks for posting. What everybody got was a reminder to be careful.
Always vigilant. Plus some excellent medical info.
--
dadiOH
____________________________
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...a help file of info about MP3s, recording from
LP/cassette and tips & tricks on this and that.
Get it at http://mysite.verizon.net/xico
On 02/01/2011 04:49 PM, Larry Jaques wrote:
> On Tue, 1 Feb 2011 11:31:48 -0800 (PST), Sonny<[email protected]>
> wrote:
>
>> Regarding a laceration in/on a joint: After a few days - a week,
>> sometimes it is best to start gently working the joint, so scar tissue
>> doesn't tack itself down, potentially causing stiffness in the joint.
>> Scar tissue is like knarled wood, it isn't aligned for smooth
>> operation. Movement helps keep the scar tissue, as it forms, aligned
>> with the joint's range of motion. Every several days, slightly
>> increase the range of motion.
>>
>> Antibiotics? *You can let your shop dog lick your wound. Since dog's
>> skin is not vascular, when they get cut, they repeatedly lick their
>> wound to keep it clean and "bug" free. Their saliva is very
>> effective. Otherwise, triple antibiotic is agreeable.
>
> Dog saliva is about as dirty as human saliva: filthy.
> Especially after cleaning his (or some other dog's) asshole or eating
> his or some other dog's shit, or eating carrion off the pavement, or
> eating out of a garbage can he knocked over. Dog lovers disgust me
> sometimes. Ick!
...and many dogs just LOVE cat nuggets.
>
> http://www.wisegeek.com/are-dogs-mouths-really-cleaner-than-humans.htm
> http://www.snopes.com/critters/wild/dogmouth.asp
>
>
> --
> To the well-organized mind, death is but the next great adventure.
> -- J. K. Rowling
I would like to thank the group for a number of very good and some humerous
suggestions. I elected to heed some of the advice and moved up an
appointment that I had for this coming Friday to yesterday. After getting an
earfull of how I should have come in right away and upon a fast look, he was
pleasantly surprised at what he saw. I had picked up a number of items at a
local drug store on the way home, and redressed when I finally arrived home.
Fighting the urge to let my dog lick it clean :) I cleaned it myself,
removed some dead skin and other materials, I used some off the shelf
healing ointment (whose name excapes me at the moment) applied two butterfly
banages not to close the gap but to keep the sides from excess movement and
thus reopening, applied some gauze and taped. I have been changing this
dressing several times a day and as the doctor recommended, open it to the
air in the evening when there is little to no activity. It seems to be right
on track in the healing process as it seemed to have filled it in the depth
of the initial cut nearly 2/3 leaving a scant 1/8 inch deep. The doctor gave
me a script for some antibiotics, and there seems to be no swelling or
discoloration of the area, so I think I dodged a bullet.
Unfortunatly, it seems that life without the use of the thumb is nearly
impossible, but I did manage to get some glue-ups done on the legs of the
table (anyone every try and tighten a clamp using just the fingers?) and I
now have two of them done. I might actually have this done by the time the
wife gets back from Arizona visiting daughter. News of this event will have
to wait, as the last time she left I managed to nail my hand to a ceiling
joist while making a tray ceiling in the dining room during her last trip
but that is another story entirely.
Suffice to say, that I am on the mend and than everyone for their well
wishes and soon I hope to be more engaged in the shop and I have several
projects waiting to be completed and some more renovation projects that need
to be completed before her return.
SteveA
On Feb 3, 12:20=A0am, "SteveA" <[email protected]> wrote:
> I would like to thank the group for a number of very good and some humero=
us
> suggestions. I elected to heed some of the advice and moved up an
> appointment that I had for this coming Friday to yesterday. After getting=
an
> earfull of how I should have come in right away and upon a fast look, he =
was
> pleasantly surprised at what he saw. I had picked up a number of items at=
a
> local drug store on the way home, and redressed when I finally arrived ho=
me.
> Fighting the urge to let my dog lick it clean :) I cleaned it myself,
> removed some dead skin and other materials, I used some off the shelf
> healing ointment (whose name excapes me at the moment) applied two butter=
fly
> banages not to close the gap but to keep the sides from excess movement a=
nd
> thus reopening, applied some gauze and taped. I have been changing this
> dressing several times a day and as the doctor recommended, open it to th=
e
> air in the evening when there is little to no activity. It seems to be ri=
ght
> on track in the healing process as it seemed to have filled it in the dep=
th
> of the initial cut nearly 2/3 leaving a scant 1/8 inch deep. The doctor g=
ave
> me a script for some antibiotics, and there seems to be no swelling or
> discoloration of the area, so I think I dodged a bullet.
>
> Unfortunatly, it seems that life without the use of the thumb is nearly
> impossible, but I did manage to get some glue-ups done on the legs of the
> table (anyone every try and tighten a clamp using just the fingers?) and =
I
> now have two of them done. I might actually have this done by the time th=
e
> wife gets back from Arizona visiting daughter. News of this event will ha=
ve
> to wait, as the last time she left I managed to nail my hand to a ceiling
> joist while making a tray ceiling in the dining room during her last trip
> but that is another story entirely.
>
> Suffice to say, that I am on the mend and than everyone for their well
> wishes and soon I hope to be more engaged in the shop and I have several
> projects waiting to be completed and some more renovation projects that n=
eed
> to be completed before her return.
Steve...? It sound like you heal quickly, but, please, don't make a
habit of it, okay?
The mental picture of you nailed to a ceiling elicited a chortle.
Glad to hear you're on the mend.
R
On Feb 1, 5:05=A0pm, "Leon" <[email protected]> wrote:
> "SteveA" <[email protected]> wrote in message
>
> > I feel compelled to write this post, as a lurker of this newsgroup for
> > some time, a poser of questions, a relatively newbie to serious
> > woodworking and as someone who has survived a career in heavy and highw=
ay
> > construction for 37+ years I had remained unscathed, until now.
>
> Ahhhhh been there done that. =A0Glad to see you are up to posting your
> experience.
>
> And thanks for pointing out =A0that you are a safety instructor for this =
type
> work, and that you are still clueless how this all happened.
>
> It is extremely hard to understand how your knowledge of the tool and
> knowledge of all the safety rules is not a guarantee to keep you safe.
> Until it happens to you, you really have no idea how fast and unexpedily =
an
> accident can happen.
>
> It tool me 1 year to understand how I cut half my thumb off, =A0I almost =
did
> it again. =A0That was 20 years ago after woodworking seriousely the previ=
ous
> 10 years. =A0Adding one more safety rule to my list has kept me unharmed =
for
> the last 20 however I know that later today I could loose a hand. =A0It i=
s
> called an accident for a reason.
>
> BTY, the size of the machine does not increase the likelyhood or severity=
of
> the damage that can be done.
I lost part of the tip of my left middle finger from a biscuit joiner
of all things.
Shit happens. No one is immune.
R
"Edward Hennessey" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
>
> "Sonny" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> news:ddee1915-8dbc-4f59-aa02-88ce095d6c53@e21g2000yqe.googlegroups.com...
> No pain, then and now, may mean you cut a nerve.
>
> Just because flesh is missing, ie a gap, doesn't mean stitches
> aren't
> needed. If you are reluctant to have it stitched, you can use
> Steri-
> strips, a type of butterfly bandaid that is a substitute for
> stitches. Clean the wound and close it, somehow, as best you can.
> Any scab that forms is nature's bandaid. Johnson & Johnson can't
> make
> a bandaid as good as mother nature does.
>
> For open wounds, you might add betadine or phisohex, as a wound
> wash,
> to your first aid kit. Betadine is prefered, but not if your are
> allergic to iodine. Betadine contains iodine. Both of these
> products
> are surgical scrubbing solutions..... Comes in straight solution
> form
> and soap form. Don't use the soap form for really deep wounds.
> Your
> particular wound is shallow enough for the soap solution.
>
> For the next few days, check your temperature 3 times a day. If you
> start running a fever, go see a doctor. It's not uncommon for your
> regular body temp to be slightly elevated (by 0.5°) at the end of a
> normal day.
>
> We all get something from these kinds of reports.
>
> Sonny
>
> Steve:
>
> S:
>
> As a substitute for going to a doctor, Sonny is very close.
>
> If I missed where the wound was cleared of all
> foreign debris and peripheral dead tags of skin,
> I hope that was my failing.
>
> Going to a doctor is a good idea if only because he can
> give you a course of antibiotics to prevent the onset of any
> infection. As well, I'm assuming you tested the digit
> for a full range of motion and found it. If not...doctor.
>
> The advice on Betadine or Phisohex gets a second. If you
> have any openings in the wound when you change dressings,
> either (as indicated) would be smartly applied anew. Since
> you may not see a perforation or one may develop due
> to exertion, a wash of these compounds for the first few
> dressing changes remains a good concept, along with
> assuring the dressing isn't taut to the degree where
> the skin blanches.
>
> Aluminum finger stalls resembling a half section of tube
> may be bent and taped to the thumb maybe with
> thin stand-off areas of sterile padding.
> You don't want to contort the thumb and stress the
> healing area. And you do want to remind yourself that you
> shouldn't unconsciously try to grab anything with that
> hand for the same rationale: you will, but the contact
> pain and the clumsiness of the appliance will
> lessen mistakes.
>
> On the issue of pain, you indicate you feel some
> but not much. Not alarming. If, however, you are
> not experiencing tactile sensation in response to
> a stimulus at the distal end of the digit....
>
> As I recall, aspirin and other non-critical blood
> thinners are not advised for awhile to abet wound
> closure. That seems logical but you are certainly
> welcome to check for factuality and the timeline.
>
> My apprehension is you are probably good. Those
> sterile buttefly closures Sonny mentions are simply
> super things to always have around. Everyone whose
> eyes are connected to their brain and observed use
> of the butterflies buys them.
>
> The above may be redundant in many ways to what
> you've done. But it is always a topic worth airing
> for everybody, just as you intended.
>
> Thanks again--and most--for the reminder on shop
> safety. The more stories we hear, the greater the
> ratio they pose to the injuries we are likely to incur.
>
> I'm glad it looks well for you.
>
> Regards,
>
> Edward Hennessey
>
Steve:
Reboot addendum. Don't get the hand in water for about
10 days or so. Other hand cleaners will work for the
area aside from the wound. Put a
plastic bag over your hand when you bathe or shower,
taping or rubber banding the bag closed at the wrist.
Regards,
Edward Hennessey
On Feb 1, 4:24=A0am, "Lew Hodgett" <[email protected]> wrote:
> "Edward Hennessey" wrote
>
> > Steri-
> > strips, a type of butterfly bandaid that is a substitute for
> > stitches.
>
> -------------------------
> Butterfly strap bandage made from some adhesive tape and a pair of
> dressing shears was one first piece of first aid treatment my dad
> taught me as a kid.
>
> Keep a bottle of betadine in my first aid ditty bag on board boat or
> in the shop.
>
> Replace it every two years to keep it fresh.
>
> Lew
Sutureself.
"Sonny" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
>> If you conveniently have anything at ready hand on that, hearing it
>> would
>> be good;
>
> How about my own formal and practical knowledge in the field of
> orthopedics, 27 yrs worth.
>
> A Google search of "Scar Tissue" reveals many articles, including
> http://www.scartissuetherapy.com/
>
> Sonny
S:
Thanks for the affirmation and leads.
Regards,
Edward Hennessey
"Sonny" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:b15402c4-1f44-4c64-b3e6-f9f6fbfb51ab@t19g2000prd.googlegroups.com...
> Regarding a laceration in/on a joint: After a few days - a week,
> sometimes it is best to start gently working the joint, so scar
> tissue
> doesn't tack itself down, potentially causing stiffness in the
> joint.
> Scar tissue is like knarled wood, it isn't aligned for smooth
> operation. Movement helps keep the scar tissue, as it forms,
> aligned
> with the joint's range of motion. Every several days, slightly
> increase the range of motion.
>
S;
If you conveniently have anything at ready hand on that, hearing it
would
be good; not that I'm wishing you the frustration many search engines
would curse you with. Thanks.
Regards,
Edward Hennessey
> Antibiotics? *You can let your shop dog lick your wound. Since
> dog's
> skin is not vascular, when they get cut, they repeatedly lick their
> wound to keep it clean and "bug" free. Their saliva is very
> effective. Otherwise, triple antibiotic is agreeable.
>
> Sonny
"Edward Hennessey" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
>>
>>
> LJ:
>
> Personally, the formulation in a tube seems a much better bet to me, it
> being
> difficulty to remember when any animal was FDA-certified as a
> pharmaceutical
> dispenser....
That's simply because the pharmaceutical crowd couldn't make any money on it
hence they don't pay the FDA to approve it.
>
> That said, there is documented support for certain_components_in the
> saliva having
> a beneficial effect on some human skin conditions and healing. >
>> --
When I have a cut, and there is a dog around, I let it lick the wound clean.
It works well. Heals much faster than it would on it's own. Human saliva
works just about as well. Over the years, I have been cut up quite a lot at
work from sharp metal, stationary cutters, etc. Generally, I just wrap a rag
around it until it quits bleeding and continue on. I have, on occasion, been
cut near to the bone. In that case, a piece of gauze and some tape do the
trick.
In article <[email protected]>,
[email protected] says...
>
> "Upscale" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> news:m%[email protected]...
> >
> > "Edward Hennessey" wrote in message
> >> Just because flesh is missing, ie a gap, doesn't mean stitches
> >> aren't
> >> needed. If you are reluctant to have it stitched, you can use
> >> Steri-
> >> strips, a type of butterfly bandaid that is a substitute for
> >> stitches.
> >
> > http://www.leevalley.com/en/gifts/page.aspx?cat=4,104,53209,61673&p=61673
> >
>
> U:
>
> Those are good for the wounds illustrated and they can be modified
> for this use.
>
> The Butterflies are smaller and for more minor
> problems than your URL illustrates. There is a thin center strip
> meant to actually bridge the incision which connects the double-lobed
> wings on each which anchors the bandage to hardy skin. The thin
> bridge allows some aeration of the cut line and keeps the skin in the
> injured
> area from devitalizing as it might if completely smothered by full
> tape
> coverage. IIRC, they were in the neighborhood of about .15 cents
> per in a package the last time purchased. Whatever cost figure it may
> be, the shelf life on the product is long.
>
> Before spending at Lee Valley, I'd check the drug store, web and any
> local medical supply outlet to evaluate prices and similar offerings.
>
> I think the quoted sentences at the head of this post derive from
> Sonny.
>
> Thanks for finding the URL on the Lee Valley offering.
I gotta get some of those--would have saved me 2000 bucks a while back.
Edward Hennessey wrote:
> "Edward Hennessey"<[email protected]> wrote in message
> news:[email protected]...
>>
>> "Sonny"<[email protected]> wrote in message
>> news:ddee1915-8dbc-4f59-aa02-88ce095d6c53@e21g2000yqe.googlegroups.com...
>> No pain, then and now, may mean you cut a nerve.
>>
>> Just because flesh is missing, ie a gap, doesn't mean stitches
>> aren't
>> needed. If you are reluctant to have it stitched, you can use
>> Steri-
>> strips, a type of butterfly bandaid that is a substitute for
>> stitches. Clean the wound and close it, somehow, as best you can.
>> Any scab that forms is nature's bandaid. Johnson& Johnson can't
>> make
>> a bandaid as good as mother nature does.
>>
>> For open wounds, you might add betadine or phisohex, as a wound
>> wash,
>> to your first aid kit. Betadine is prefered, but not if your are
>> allergic to iodine. Betadine contains iodine. Both of these
>> products
>> are surgical scrubbing solutions..... Comes in straight solution
>> form
>> and soap form. Don't use the soap form for really deep wounds.
>> Your
>> particular wound is shallow enough for the soap solution.
>>
>> For the next few days, check your temperature 3 times a day. If you
>> start running a fever, go see a doctor. It's not uncommon for your
>> regular body temp to be slightly elevated (by 0.5°) at the end of a
>> normal day.
>>
>> We all get something from these kinds of reports.
>>
>> Sonny
>>
>> Steve:
>>
>> S:
>>
>> As a substitute for going to a doctor, Sonny is very close.
>>
>> If I missed where the wound was cleared of all
>> foreign debris and peripheral dead tags of skin,
>> I hope that was my failing.
>>
>> Going to a doctor is a good idea if only because he can
>> give you a course of antibiotics to prevent the onset of any
>> infection. As well, I'm assuming you tested the digit
>> for a full range of motion and found it. If not...doctor.
>>
>> The advice on Betadine or Phisohex gets a second. If you
>> have any openings in the wound when you change dressings,
>> either (as indicated) would be smartly applied anew. Since
>> you may not see a perforation or one may develop due
>> to exertion, a wash of these compounds for the first few
>> dressing changes remains a good concept, along with
>> assuring the dressing isn't taut to the degree where
>> the skin blanches.
>>
>> Aluminum finger stalls resembling a half section of tube
>> may be bent and taped to the thumb maybe with
>> thin stand-off areas of sterile padding.
>> You don't want to contort the thumb and stress the
>> healing area. And you do want to remind yourself that you
>> shouldn't unconsciously try to grab anything with that
>> hand for the same rationale: you will, but the contact
>> pain and the clumsiness of the appliance will
>> lessen mistakes.
>>
>> On the issue of pain, you indicate you feel some
>> but not much. Not alarming. If, however, you are
>> not experiencing tactile sensation in response to
>> a stimulus at the distal end of the digit....
>>
>> As I recall, aspirin and other non-critical blood
>> thinners are not advised for awhile to abet wound
>> closure. That seems logical but you are certainly
>> welcome to check for factuality and the timeline.
>>
>> My apprehension is you are probably good. Those
>> sterile buttefly closures Sonny mentions are simply
>> super things to always have around. Everyone whose
>> eyes are connected to their brain and observed use
>> of the butterflies buys them.
>>
>> The above may be redundant in many ways to what
>> you've done. But it is always a topic worth airing
>> for everybody, just as you intended.
>>
>> Thanks again--and most--for the reminder on shop
>> safety. The more stories we hear, the greater the
>> ratio they pose to the injuries we are likely to incur.
>>
>> I'm glad it looks well for you.
>>
>> Regards,
>>
>> Edward Hennessey
>>
>
> Steve:
>
> Reboot addendum. Don't get the hand in water for about
> 10 days or so. Other hand cleaners will work for the
> area aside from the wound. Put a
> plastic bag over your hand when you bathe or shower,
> taping or rubber banding the bag closed at the wrist.
>
> Regards,
>
> Edward Hennessey
>
>
You forgot to tell him to blow the chips out so he won't get termites.
--
Gerald Ross
Cochran, GA
Why is "bra" singular and "panties" plural?
<snipped>
While the gut is the largest immune organ in the body, the mouth is an
extension that is generally "cleaner" than the rest. There are plenty of
immune cells in saliva (especially if you have gingivitis). Some of these
immune cells, such as the PMN or neutrophils can generate nice amounts of
hydrogen peroxide (via myeloperoxidase), with which they can kill microbes.
Actually, the PMN pin the microbes against a wall, then secrete all kinds
of antimicrobial stuff into the hollow formed in that way (phagocytic
vacuole).
Letting a wound bleed a little is good too (lick it up so as not to waste
the good stuff!). Then apply pressure to give the platelets a chance to
stop bleeding and keep it that way for a clot to form. Keep the closing
wound moist with a cream (triple antibiotic is good) and don't wash the
good stuff away. If too big (judgement call) and certainly if it becomes
inflamed (red, swollen, hurting), get yourself to a doctor.
--
Best regards
Han
email address is invalid
RonB <[email protected]> wrote in news:2cc78764-403b-455b-a62c-
[email protected]:
<snip>
> Since then I have developed a habit of looking directly at the blade,
> or cutter head from the time the stock enters the cutting zone until
> the blade STOP TURNING. Once the operation is finished, I do nothing
> until that blade or cutter stops moving, Of course I have to look
> down to turn off switches, etc, but my attention is on the blade until
> it stops.
>
> RonB
Amen!
--
Best regards
Han
email address is invalid
Steve,
Two questions:
1) Guard, no guard?
2) You're the safety guy, but have you ever taken a class in
tablesaw safety? You're injury might serve as a warning to
the others in your shop.
3) Push sticks.
4) My friend, who is an excellent teacher/woodworker, would always
say in each of his classes every day - know the danger zones of
your equipment.
5) Healthy respect for your equipment, is a good thing! But it
should never stop you from using it.
Take care. I'd see a doctor myself for your finger, but that's up to
you.
Michael
Regarding a laceration in/on a joint: After a few days - a week,
sometimes it is best to start gently working the joint, so scar tissue
doesn't tack itself down, potentially causing stiffness in the joint.
Scar tissue is like knarled wood, it isn't aligned for smooth
operation. Movement helps keep the scar tissue, as it forms, aligned
with the joint's range of motion. Every several days, slightly
increase the range of motion.
Antibiotics? *You can let your shop dog lick your wound. Since dog's
skin is not vascular, when they get cut, they repeatedly lick their
wound to keep it clean and "bug" free. Their saliva is very
effective. Otherwise, triple antibiotic is agreeable.
Sonny
"Sonny" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:ddee1915-8dbc-4f59-aa02-88ce095d6c53@e21g2000yqe.googlegroups.com...
No pain, then and now, may mean you cut a nerve.
Just because flesh is missing, ie a gap, doesn't mean stitches aren't
needed. If you are reluctant to have it stitched, you can use Steri-
strips, a type of butterfly bandaid that is a substitute for
stitches. Clean the wound and close it, somehow, as best you can.
Any scab that forms is nature's bandaid. Johnson & Johnson can't make
a bandaid as good as mother nature does.
For open wounds, you might add betadine or phisohex, as a wound wash,
to your first aid kit. Betadine is prefered, but not if your are
allergic to iodine. Betadine contains iodine. Both of these products
are surgical scrubbing solutions..... Comes in straight solution form
and soap form. Don't use the soap form for really deep wounds. Your
particular wound is shallow enough for the soap solution.
For the next few days, check your temperature 3 times a day. If you
start running a fever, go see a doctor. It's not uncommon for your
regular body temp to be slightly elevated (by 0.5°) at the end of a
normal day.
We all get something from these kinds of reports.
Sonny
Steve:
S:
As a substitute for going to a doctor, Sonny is very close.
If I missed where the wound was cleared of all
foreign debris and peripheral dead tags of skin,
I hope that was my failing.
Going to a doctor is a good idea if only because he can
give you a course of antibiotics to prevent the onset of any
infection. As well, I'm assuming you tested the digit
for a full range of motion and found it. If not...doctor.
The advice on Betadine or Phisohex gets a second. If you
have any openings in the wound when you change dressings,
either (as indicated) would be smartly applied anew. Since
you may not see a perforation or one may develop due
to exertion, a wash of these compounds for the first few
dressing changes remains a good concept, along with
assuring the dressing isn't taut to the degree where
the skin blanches.
Aluminum finger stalls resembling a half section of tube
may be bent and taped to the thumb maybe with
thin stand-off areas of sterile padding.
You don't want to contort the thumb and stress the
healing area. And you do want to remind yourself that you
shouldn't unconsciously try to grab anything with that
hand for the same rationale: you will, but the contact
pain and the clumsiness of the appliance will
lessen mistakes.
On the issue of pain, you indicate you feel some
but not much. Not alarming. If, however, you are
not experiencing tactile sensation in response to
a stimulus at the distal end of the digit....
As I recall, aspirin and other non-critical blood
thinners are not advised for awhile to abet wound
closure. That seems logical but you are certainly
welcome to check for factuality and the timeline.
My apprehension is you are probably good. Those
sterile buttefly closures Sonny mentions are simply
super things to always have around. Everyone whose
eyes are connected to their brain and observed use
of the butterflies buys them.
The above may be redundant in many ways to what
you've done. But it is always a topic worth airing
for everybody, just as you intended.
Thanks again--and most--for the reminder on shop
safety. The more stories we hear, the greater the
ratio they pose to the injuries we are likely to incur.
I'm glad it looks well for you.
Regards,
Edward Hennessey
No pain, then and now, may mean you cut a nerve.
Just because flesh is missing, ie a gap, doesn't mean stitches aren't
needed. If you are reluctant to have it stitched, you can use Steri-
strips, a type of butterfly bandaid that is a substitute for
stitches. Clean the wound and close it, somehow, as best you can.
Any scab that forms is nature's bandaid. Johnson & Johnson can't make
a bandaid as good as mother nature does.
For open wounds, you might add betadine or phisohex, as a wound wash,
to your first aid kit. Betadine is prefered, but not if your are
allergic to iodine. Betadine contains iodine. Both of these products
are surgical scrubbing solutions..... Comes in straight solution form
and soap form. Don't use the soap form for really deep wounds. Your
particular wound is shallow enough for the soap solution.
For the next few days, check your temperature 3 times a day. If you
start running a fever, go see a doctor. It's not uncommon for your
regular body temp to be slightly elevated (by 0.5=B0) at the end of a
normal day.
We all get something from these kinds of reports.
Sonny
"Larry Jaques" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> On Tue, 1 Feb 2011 17:49:09 -0800, "Edward Hennessey"
> <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>>
>>"Larry Jaques" <[email protected]> wrote in message
>>news:[email protected]...
>>> On Tue, 1 Feb 2011 11:31:48 -0800 (PST), Sonny
>>> <[email protected]>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>>Regarding a laceration in/on a joint: After a few days - a week,
>>>>sometimes it is best to start gently working the joint, so scar
>>>>tissue
>>>>doesn't tack itself down, potentially causing stiffness in the
>>>>joint.
>>>>Scar tissue is like knarled wood, it isn't aligned for smooth
>>>>operation. Movement helps keep the scar tissue, as it forms,
>>>>aligned
>>>>with the joint's range of motion. Every several days, slightly
>>>>increase the range of motion.
>>>>
>>>>Antibiotics? *You can let your shop dog lick your wound. Since
>>>>dog's
>>>>skin is not vascular, when they get cut, they repeatedly lick
>>>>their
>>>>wound to keep it clean and "bug" free. Their saliva is very
>>>>effective. Otherwise, triple antibiotic is agreeable.
>>>
>>> Dog saliva is about as dirty as human saliva: filthy.
>>> Especially after cleaning his (or some other dog's) asshole or
>>> eating
>>> his or some other dog's shit, or eating carrion off the pavement,
>>> or
>>> eating out of a garbage can he knocked over. Dog lovers disgust
>>> me
>>> sometimes. Ick!
>>>
>>> http://www.wisegeek.com/are-dogs-mouths-really-cleaner-than-humans.htm
>>> http://www.snopes.com/critters/wild/dogmouth.asp
>>>
>>>
>>LJ:
>>
>>Personally, the formulation in a tube seems a much better bet to me,
>>it being
>>difficulty to remember when any animal was FDA-certified as a
>>pharmaceutical
>>dispenser....
>
> <g>
>
>
>>That said, there is documented support for certain_components_in the
>>saliva having
>>a beneficial effect on some human skin conditions and healing. As
>>you
>>and your
>>references remark, dog saliva is a mix of things, where the bulk
>>of elements pose more jeopardy than joy.
>
> Precisely. I'm almost certain that the reason dog spit has such a
> good
> name is from heathen worship of said beasties. Licking probably
> causes
> more bleeding, which with the saliva washes the wound better, and
> the
> human immune system takes over from there to kill the added
> bacteria.
>
>
LJ:
My further interest, in accord with yours, is "totally tubular" (see
above),
as the aging slang goes.
>>But maybe Uncle Milton's (RIP) farm may support a colony of suture
>>ants.
>>I'm thinking seamstresses might also be a market.
>
> That's gotta hurt, y'know?
>
LJ:
The ants, absolutely. And men of the cloth, for sure. I don't even
want
to talk of a hair shirt, like,
on F I R E . But, every person to his own penance. Suture self....
Wait. This is woodworking: think miniature, precision bioclamps.
But, when I ship in a wholesale package, do try another way to share
your joy with neighbors than enthusing "I got a case of bioclamps
today."
They could misconcieve you've gone from nanotech to nanoo-nanotech.
What constellation is planet Mork in anyway?
If you're still pining for a zing with more than a little white
lightning, this is the
tenant for your special farm:
http://www.vincelewis.net/ant.html
Please us hear how you do at evictions. Having an intimate
familiarity with
Mr. Tarantula Hawk
( http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Schmidt_Sting_Pain_Index )
I am uninterested in moving up in class.
Regards,
Edward Hennessey
> --
> To the well-organized mind, death is but the next great adventure.
> -- J. K. Rowling
On Tue, 1 Feb 2011 17:49:09 -0800, "Edward Hennessey"
<[email protected]> wrote:
>
>"Larry Jaques" <[email protected]> wrote in message
>news:[email protected]...
>> On Tue, 1 Feb 2011 11:31:48 -0800 (PST), Sonny <[email protected]>
>> wrote:
>>
>>>Regarding a laceration in/on a joint: After a few days - a week,
>>>sometimes it is best to start gently working the joint, so scar
>>>tissue
>>>doesn't tack itself down, potentially causing stiffness in the
>>>joint.
>>>Scar tissue is like knarled wood, it isn't aligned for smooth
>>>operation. Movement helps keep the scar tissue, as it forms,
>>>aligned
>>>with the joint's range of motion. Every several days, slightly
>>>increase the range of motion.
>>>
>>>Antibiotics? *You can let your shop dog lick your wound. Since
>>>dog's
>>>skin is not vascular, when they get cut, they repeatedly lick their
>>>wound to keep it clean and "bug" free. Their saliva is very
>>>effective. Otherwise, triple antibiotic is agreeable.
>>
>> Dog saliva is about as dirty as human saliva: filthy.
>> Especially after cleaning his (or some other dog's) asshole or
>> eating
>> his or some other dog's shit, or eating carrion off the pavement, or
>> eating out of a garbage can he knocked over. Dog lovers disgust me
>> sometimes. Ick!
>>
>> http://www.wisegeek.com/are-dogs-mouths-really-cleaner-than-humans.htm
>> http://www.snopes.com/critters/wild/dogmouth.asp
>>
>>
>LJ:
>
>Personally, the formulation in a tube seems a much better bet to me,
>it being
>difficulty to remember when any animal was FDA-certified as a
>pharmaceutical
>dispenser....
<g>
>That said, there is documented support for certain_components_in the
>saliva having
>a beneficial effect on some human skin conditions and healing. As you
>and your
>references remark, dog saliva is a mix of things, where the bulk
>of elements pose more jeopardy than joy.
Precisely. I'm almost certain that the reason dog spit has such a good
name is from heathen worship of said beasties. Licking probably causes
more bleeding, which with the saliva washes the wound better, and the
human immune system takes over from there to kill the added bacteria.
>But maybe Uncle Milton's (RIP) farm may support a colony of suture
>ants.
>I'm thinking seamstresses might also be a market.
That's gotta hurt, y'know?
--
To the well-organized mind, death is but the next great adventure.
-- J. K. Rowling
On Jan 31, 9:49=A0pm, "SteveA" <[email protected]> wrote:
> Group,
>
> I feel compelled to write this post, as a lurker of this newsgroup for so=
me
> time, a poser of questions, a relatively newbie to serious woodworking an=
d
> as someone who has survived a career in heavy and highway construction fo=
r
> 37+ years I had remained unscathed, until now.
>
> After work ended today, (I am currently a instructor for our craft as wel=
l
> as Safety trainer for our membership), I ended up working in my shop area=
to
> cut and bevel some 4" oak pieces so I could join them to form a 4" leg fo=
r a
> mission style table that I am currently working on. My tool of choice is =
my
> PM 3000 with a just sharpened WWII blade to put the 45 on both sides of
> these boards to I can start gluing them up to form the leg. I pulled seve=
ral
> boards that were previously jointed and planed to size and started cuttin=
g
> them down into a more manageable size, closer to the final lengths thinki=
ng
> it would be safer working with smaller pieces (31"+/-).
>
> After running the 16 pieces through the saw the first time, I noticed tha=
t a
> couple of them appeared to be a bit wider, because there was still a flat
> spot on the bevel side. At this point I must tell you, this saw scares th=
e
> sh*t out of me every time I use it, I have the utmost respect for its
> ability and maintain the area around it free an anything that might imped=
e
> the work going thru. At this point, the easy answer was to take a 1/8 of =
the
> dimension, and run them through again to remove this flat spot and comple=
te
> the bevel. I got through all but a couple, when for no apparent reason (I=
am
> still trying to figure out how this actually occurred) my thumb came in
> contact with the blade. Having seen all of the video's on the subject pos=
ted
> on the web some of them I actually use when teaching tool safety, I was v=
ery
> much surprised with this momentary contact with the spinning blade. Pulli=
ng
> my hand back and after a fast look at the cut and then immediately squeez=
ing
> my thumb with my other hand I was again surprised with first the lack of
> blood immediately as well the lack of any feeling or pain at this point. =
I
> found some paper towels, folded a rough bandage and wrapped it around my
> thumb. Near as I could tell for the initial =A0view, the cut was fairly
> restricted to the meaty part of the bottom of my thumb, just shy of the t=
ip
> and extending an inch or so down the thumb and perhaps 3/16 wide and abou=
t
> the same deep. Looking around the shop I finally found some masking tape,
> and prepared to replace the initial bandage with something a little more
> substantial. Now up until now, there has been very little (in my estimati=
on)
> blood from this cut, however upon removing the temporary bandage, this
> changed abruptly. Still without any panic or pain, I managed to change
> bandages, take another look at the damage and wrap it back up. Knowing fr=
om
> previous cut and such I have managed to get over the years, I knew that t=
he
> masking tape would not be able to close the cut and with this second
> bandage, I starting looking for duct tape but ended up finding my preferr=
ed
> tape material, electrical tape. I proceeded to again re-bandage using the
> electrical tape to close the gap, and the bleeding had slowed considerabl=
y.
>
> I elected at this point to begin the trip home where I could re-dress thi=
s
> properly after stopping to get a supply of bandages, tape and misc first =
aid
> stuff (which I will now keep in the shop). =A0At this time, about 4 hours
> later, the cut has stopped bleeding and the healing process has started. =
I
> rationalized that since it is a removal of material, stitches would not b=
e a
> good option at this point and have a wait and see attitude for the mornin=
g.
> There is no pain and just an occasional throbbing but otherwise I think I
> have been very fortunate to get away lightly with such a stupid move on m=
y
> part. I am thankful that the blade was at a angle, which limited the amou=
nt
> of contact that was made and or the depth of the cut. The somewhat funny
> part is earlier today. I was at a local tool supplier and was looking at =
the
> saw stop saw, because of the fear that this saw instills in me when I use
> it.
>
> I am not sure what another newbie might get from this, other than to use =
the
> utmost car when operating this equipment, I consider myself lucky for thi=
s
> minor lesson as I have seen the results far worse encounters.
Hey Steve. Thank God that it was a minor injury and you're still in
one piece. I hope you heal up right quick. Thanks for posting - we
all need a reality check once in a while.
take care
R
On Tue, 1 Feb 2011 11:31:48 -0800 (PST), Sonny <[email protected]>
wrote:
>Regarding a laceration in/on a joint: After a few days - a week,
>sometimes it is best to start gently working the joint, so scar tissue
>doesn't tack itself down, potentially causing stiffness in the joint.
>Scar tissue is like knarled wood, it isn't aligned for smooth
>operation. Movement helps keep the scar tissue, as it forms, aligned
>with the joint's range of motion. Every several days, slightly
>increase the range of motion.
>
>Antibiotics? *You can let your shop dog lick your wound. Since dog's
>skin is not vascular, when they get cut, they repeatedly lick their
>wound to keep it clean and "bug" free. Their saliva is very
>effective. Otherwise, triple antibiotic is agreeable.
Dog saliva is about as dirty as human saliva: filthy.
Especially after cleaning his (or some other dog's) asshole or eating
his or some other dog's shit, or eating carrion off the pavement, or
eating out of a garbage can he knocked over. Dog lovers disgust me
sometimes. Ick!
http://www.wisegeek.com/are-dogs-mouths-really-cleaner-than-humans.htm
http://www.snopes.com/critters/wild/dogmouth.asp
--
To the well-organized mind, death is but the next great adventure.
-- J. K. Rowling
"Upscale" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:m%[email protected]...
>
> "Edward Hennessey" wrote in message
>> Just because flesh is missing, ie a gap, doesn't mean stitches
>> aren't
>> needed. If you are reluctant to have it stitched, you can use
>> Steri-
>> strips, a type of butterfly bandaid that is a substitute for
>> stitches.
>
> http://www.leevalley.com/en/gifts/page.aspx?cat=4,104,53209,61673&p=61673
>
U:
Those are good for the wounds illustrated and they can be modified
for this use.
The Butterflies are smaller and for more minor
problems than your URL illustrates. There is a thin center strip
meant to actually bridge the incision which connects the double-lobed
wings on each which anchors the bandage to hardy skin. The thin
bridge allows some aeration of the cut line and keeps the skin in the
injured
area from devitalizing as it might if completely smothered by full
tape
coverage. IIRC, they were in the neighborhood of about .15 cents
per in a package the last time purchased. Whatever cost figure it may
be, the shelf life on the product is long.
Before spending at Lee Valley, I'd check the drug store, web and any
local medical supply outlet to evaluate prices and similar offerings.
I think the quoted sentences at the head of this post derive from
Sonny.
Thanks for finding the URL on the Lee Valley offering.
Regards,
Edward Hennessey
On 2/1/2011 1:31 PM, Sonny wrote:
> Antibiotics? *You can let your shop dog lick your wound. Since dog's
> skin is not vascular, when they get cut, they repeatedly lick their
> wound to keep it clean and "bug" free. Their saliva is very
> effective.
You might want to make sure the dog doesn't drink from the toilet first.
--
See Nad. See Nad go. Go Nad!
To reply, eat the taco.
http://www.flickr.com/photos/bbqboyee/
Thanks for sharing your story with us. Safety is certainly a consideration
that every woodworker must keep in mind at all times. I believe your
Powermatic 3000 is clearly too dangerous a tool for you to continue using.
Buy the sawstop as soon as possible. If you are within a few hundered miles
of Baltimore please email me and I will remove the PM3000 from your shop
at no cost within a few days.
--
There is always an easy solution to every human problem -- neat,
plausible, and wrong." (H L Mencken)
Larry Wasserman - Baltimore Maryland - lwasserm(a)sdf. lonestar. org
"Mike Marlow" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> Steve Turner wrote:
>> On 2/1/2011 1:31 PM, Sonny wrote:
>>> Antibiotics? *You can let your shop dog lick your wound. Since
>>> dog's skin is not vascular, when they get cut, they repeatedly lick
>>> their wound to keep it clean and "bug" free. Their saliva is very
>>> effective.
>>
>> You might want to make sure the dog doesn't drink from the toilet
>> first.
>
> Or hasn't just finished licking his...
>
Two Newfies walking down the street come upon a dog sitting on the sidewalk
licking his nuts. First Newfie says "Gee, I wish I could do that." Second
Newfie says "If you ask him nice, maybe he'll let you."
<rimshot>
"Edward Hennessey" wrote in message
> Just because flesh is missing, ie a gap, doesn't mean stitches aren't
> needed. If you are reluctant to have it stitched, you can use Steri-
> strips, a type of butterfly bandaid that is a substitute for stitches.
http://www.leevalley.com/en/gifts/page.aspx?cat=4,104,53209,61673&p=61673
On Tue, 1 Feb 2011 21:14:35 -0800, "Edward Hennessey"
<[email protected]> wrote:
>LJ:
>
>My further interest, in accord with yours, is "totally tubular" (see
>above),
>as the aging slang goes.
>
>>>But maybe Uncle Milton's (RIP) farm may support a colony of suture
>>>ants.
>>>I'm thinking seamstresses might also be a market.
>>
>> That's gotta hurt, y'know?
>>
>
>LJ:
>
>The ants, absolutely. And men of the cloth, for sure. I don't even
>want
>to talk of a hair shirt, like,
_Fountainhead_ is on my reading list and on my bookshelf. Loved _Atlas
Shrugged_, to be sure.
>on F I R E . But, every person to his own penance. Suture self....
Oh, I had responded only to "suture ants". Lessee, googling now...
Found this tasty tidbit:
--snip--
The fact that the term "ant farm" is covered by a trademark received
notoriety when Scott Adams, the creator of the Dilbert comic strip,
used the phrase in one of his comic strips. Upon using the term "ant
farm", Adams subsequently received threatening letters from Uncle
Milton industries' attorneys, demanding a retraction for the
unauthorized use of the phrase "ant farm" in his comic strip.
In reaction to the legal threat, Adams satirized the incident in a
later comic strip. In that strip, Dilbert asked for a substitute for
the trademarked phrase "ant farm", looking for another word for "a
habitat for worthless and disgusting little creatures." To which the
character Dogbert replied "Law school."
--snip--
>Wait. This is woodworking: think miniature, precision bioclamps.
>But, when I ship in a wholesale package, do try another way to share
>your joy with neighbors than enthusing "I got a case of bioclamps
>today."
>They could misconcieve you've gone from nanotech to nanoo-nanotech.
>What constellation is planet Mork in anyway?
Borden.
>If you're still pining for a zing with more than a little white
>lightning, this is the
>tenant for your special farm:
>
>http://www.vincelewis.net/ant.html
Once D.C. gets their wall built...nah, karma might be worse.
>Please us hear how you do at evictions. Having an intimate
>familiarity with
>Mr. Tarantula Hawk
>( http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Schmidt_Sting_Pain_Index )
>I am uninterested in moving up in class.
OuchOuchOuchOuchOuch. Like, MegaDittoes, dude.
Who is John Galt?
--
To the well-organized mind, death is but the next great adventure.
-- J. K. Rowling
"Larry Jaques" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> On Tue, 1 Feb 2011 21:14:35 -0800, "Edward Hennessey"
> <[email protected]> wrote:
>>LJ:
>>
>>My further interest, in accord with yours, is "totally tubular" (see
>>above),
>>as the aging slang goes.
>>
>>>>But maybe Uncle Milton's (RIP) farm may support a colony of suture
>>>>ants.
>>>>I'm thinking seamstresses might also be a market.
>>>
>>> That's gotta hurt, y'know?
>>>
>>
>>LJ:
>>
>>The ants, absolutely. And men of the cloth, for sure. I don't even
>>want
>>to talk of a hair shirt, like,
>
> _Fountainhead_ is on my reading list and on my bookshelf. Loved
> _Atlas
> Shrugged_, to be sure.
>
>
>>on F I R E . But, every person to his own penance. Suture
>>self....
>
> Oh, I had responded only to "suture ants". >
LJ:
Wow. If you can put your ants in suits, you can put a man on Venus....
SNIP
>
>
>>If you're still pining for a zing with more than a little white
>>lightning, this is the
>>tenant for your special farm:
>>
>>http://www.vincelewis.net/ant.html
>
> Once D.C. gets their wall built...nah, karma might be worse.
>
>
>>Please us hear how you do at evictions. Having an intimate
>>familiarity with
>>Mr. Tarantula Hawk
>>( http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Schmidt_Sting_Pain_Index )
>>I am uninterested in moving up in class.
>
> OuchOuchOuchOuchOuch. Like, MegaDittoes, dude.
>
The thing is, they are honestly beautiful beyond the justice of
photography. And hard workers? They short hop all day long.
>
> Who is John Galt?
I shrug my shoulders a lot lately...must be that danged Atlas
vertebra kicking up again.
This was sent to me on Ayn Rand/Ann O'Connor recently:
http://www.good.is/post/conservative-darling-ayn-rand-died-loving-government-handouts/
I shrugged at that too. But you never know until you verify. If that's
askew, it would
be noteworthy. But off to the wheel.
Regards,
Edward Hennessey
"Larry Jaques" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> On Tue, 1 Feb 2011 21:14:35 -0800, "Edward Hennessey"
> <[email protected]> wrote:
>>LJ:
>>
>>My further interest, in accord with yours, is "totally tubular" (see
>>above),
>>as the aging slang goes.
>>
>>>>But maybe Uncle Milton's (RIP) farm may support a colony of suture
>>>>ants.
>>>>I'm thinking seamstresses might also be a market.
>>>
>>> That's gotta hurt, y'know?
>>>
>>
>>LJ:
>>
>>The ants, absolutely. And men of the cloth, for sure. I don't even
>>want
>>to talk of a hair shirt, like,
>
> _Fountainhead_ is on my reading list and on my bookshelf. Loved _Atlas
> Shrugged_, to be sure.
>
>
>>on F I R E . But, every person to his own penance. Suture self....
>
> Oh, I had responded only to "suture ants". Lessee, googling now...
> Found this tasty tidbit:
> --snip--
> The fact that the term "ant farm" is covered by a trademark received
> notoriety when Scott Adams, the creator of the Dilbert comic strip,
> used the phrase in one of his comic strips. Upon using the term "ant
> farm", Adams subsequently received threatening letters from Uncle
> Milton industries' attorneys, demanding a retraction for the
> unauthorized use of the phrase "ant farm" in his comic strip.
>
> In reaction to the legal threat, Adams satirized the incident in a
> later comic strip. In that strip, Dilbert asked for a substitute for
> the trademarked phrase "ant farm", looking for another word for "a
> habitat for worthless and disgusting little creatures." To which the
> character Dogbert replied "Law school."
> --snip--
>
>>Wait. This is woodworking: think miniature, precision bioclamps.
>>But, when I ship in a wholesale package, do try another way to share
>>your joy with neighbors than enthusing "I got a case of bioclamps
>>today."
>>They could misconcieve you've gone from nanotech to nanoo-nanotech.
>>What constellation is planet Mork in anyway?
>
> Borden.
>
>
>>If you're still pining for a zing with more than a little white
>>lightning, this is the
>>tenant for your special farm:
>>
>>http://www.vincelewis.net/ant.html
>
> Once D.C. gets their wall built...nah, karma might be worse.
>
>
>>Please us hear how you do at evictions. Having an intimate
>>familiarity with
>>Mr. Tarantula Hawk
>>( http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Schmidt_Sting_Pain_Index )
>>I am uninterested in moving up in class.
>
> OuchOuchOuchOuchOuch. Like, MegaDittoes, dude.
>
>
> Who is John Galt?
>
The night guy at the local 7-11.
On Tue, 1 Feb 2011 01:24:17 -0800, "Lew Hodgett"
<[email protected]> wrote:
>
>"Edward Hennessey" wrote
>
>> Steri-
>> strips, a type of butterfly bandaid that is a substitute for
>> stitches.
>-------------------------
>Butterfly strap bandage made from some adhesive tape and a pair of
>dressing shears was one first piece of first aid treatment my dad
>taught me as a kid.
>
>Keep a bottle of betadine in my first aid ditty bag on board boat or
>in the shop.
>
>Replace it every two years to keep it fresh.
Ditto the triple antibiotic (Polymixin/Bacitracin/Neomycin) he should
use inside the wound initially.
I've had excellent luck doing my own doctoring and applaud his.
My wound treatment is 1) let it bleed for awhile to self-clean, 2)
sterilize with water and betadine, 3) quickly dry, 4) apply triple
antibiotic, 5) quickly butterfly, 6) keep dry for a week, changing the
dressing daily. I try to avoid any use of the digit involved for a
couple weeks and the skin self-knits without any suturing.
--
If we attend continually and promptly to the little that
we can do, we shall ere long be surprised to find how
little remains that we cannot do. -- Samuel Butler
"Sonny" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:b15402c4-1f44-4c64-b3e6-f9f6fbfb51ab@t19g2000prd.googlegroups.com...
> Regarding a laceration in/on a joint: After a few days - a week,
> sometimes it is best to start gently working the joint, so scar
> tissue
> doesn't tack itself down, potentially causing stiffness in the
> joint.
> Scar tissue is like knarled wood, it isn't aligned for smooth
> operation. Movement helps keep the scar tissue, as it forms,
> aligned
> with the joint's range of motion. Every several days, slightly
> increase the range of motion.
>
> Antibiotics? *You can let your shop dog lick your wound. Since
> dog's
> skin is not vascular, when they get cut, they repeatedly lick their
> wound to keep it clean and "bug" free. Their saliva is very
> effective. Otherwise, triple antibiotic is agreeable.
>
> Sonny
S:
Hmmm...homeopathy. If the only flutterbys you have around
are in the stomach when you get a scar y wound in the jungle,
you can always up the ante with these guys:
http://www.flickr.com/photos/31137609@N08/4591770357/
Just make sure they can sing "I ain't got no body" before Fido
gets whistled in. And I have, somewhere, seen scientific support
for your dogone remedy.
Regards,
Edward Hennessey
"Larry Jaques" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> On Tue, 1 Feb 2011 11:31:48 -0800 (PST), Sonny <[email protected]>
> wrote:
>
>>Regarding a laceration in/on a joint: After a few days - a week,
>>sometimes it is best to start gently working the joint, so scar
>>tissue
>>doesn't tack itself down, potentially causing stiffness in the
>>joint.
>>Scar tissue is like knarled wood, it isn't aligned for smooth
>>operation. Movement helps keep the scar tissue, as it forms,
>>aligned
>>with the joint's range of motion. Every several days, slightly
>>increase the range of motion.
>>
>>Antibiotics? *You can let your shop dog lick your wound. Since
>>dog's
>>skin is not vascular, when they get cut, they repeatedly lick their
>>wound to keep it clean and "bug" free. Their saliva is very
>>effective. Otherwise, triple antibiotic is agreeable.
>
> Dog saliva is about as dirty as human saliva: filthy.
> Especially after cleaning his (or some other dog's) asshole or
> eating
> his or some other dog's shit, or eating carrion off the pavement, or
> eating out of a garbage can he knocked over. Dog lovers disgust me
> sometimes. Ick!
>
> http://www.wisegeek.com/are-dogs-mouths-really-cleaner-than-humans.htm
> http://www.snopes.com/critters/wild/dogmouth.asp
>
>
LJ:
Personally, the formulation in a tube seems a much better bet to me,
it being
difficulty to remember when any animal was FDA-certified as a
pharmaceutical
dispenser....
That said, there is documented support for certain_components_in the
saliva having
a beneficial effect on some human skin conditions and healing. As you
and your
references remark, dog saliva is a mix of things, where the bulk
of elements pose more jeopardy than joy.
But maybe Uncle Milton's (RIP) farm may support a colony of suture
ants.
I'm thinking seamstresses might also be a market.
Regards,
Edward Hennessey
> --
> To the well-organized mind, death is but the next great adventure.
> -- J. K. Rowling
Now you may have pissed off the ASPCA with that one!
"Lobby Dosser" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
Two Newfies walking down the street come upon a dog sitting on the sidewalk
licking his nuts. First Newfie says "Gee, I wish I could do that." Second
Newfie says "If you ask him nice, maybe he'll let you."
<rimshot>