Colder times are coming, and I like to keep my shop door open.
Plenty of lighting inside,but makes it seem bigger with the door open,
among other reasons.
So, this year, I'll make a strip door, along these lines, but
smaller. http://www.njdoorworks.com/images2/stripdoor.gif You've
probably all seen them, strips of plastic, easy walk thru, keeps cold
in, or out.
I have a roll of the clear plastic window covering, cost about $4 I
think, and a lot on a roll. I'll figure how long the strips need to be,
an inch or two on the floor I think. Strips 6"-12" wide. Two layers,
overlapping. Tack them on a piece of 2X4, and fasten it up. I can take
the 2X4 down, and roll the strips around it, for summer, if I want.
Thinking just leaving it, to keep at least some of the mosquitos out.
Got a window with a fan, so should be comfortable enough.
I'm wondering if any of you have done this, and if so, any mods I
should consider, or downsides.
JOAT
Make my shorts. Eat my day.
Life just ain't life without good music. - JOAT
Web Page Update 23 Oct 2003.
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"Silvan" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> [email protected] wrote:
>
> > second, you *DO*NOT* want it dragging on the floor. That 'inch or two'
>
> Yeah, I meant to say that too.
>
> > The _ideal_ "improvisatonal" stuff to use is the flexible, clear plastic
> > hall 'runner'.
>
> You win the prize. That would do the trick. I was trying to think of
> something readily available that's thick enough, and I didn't remember my
> days working in the domestics department at Wally-World. For shame.
>
> > (available at a 'fishermans supply') work just fine. I've been known to
> > use Linotype slugs, even -- but I'll bet hardly *anybody* here knows
what
> > _those_ are. *grin*
>
> I do. Maybe. That was the one where you keyed it into the machine, and
it
> lined up the molds and cast the line of type in lead on the fly, right?
>
> I've read about them, but never played with one.
>
> --
> Michael McIntyre ---- Silvan <[email protected]>
> Linux fanatic, and certified Geek; registered Linux user #243621
> http://www.geocities.com/Paris/Rue/5407/
>
What a coincidence. I was thinking about those machines yesterday. I was
looking at compartmentalized plastic box and was reminded of high school and
learning the California Job Case, and also watching the linotype work. Sure
glad I didn't become a printer. I became a wringer washer repairman.
T. wrote:
> I'm wondering if any of you have done this, and if so, any mods I
> should consider, or downsides.
I haven't done it, no, but I'm familiar with what you're trying to make.
The kind of plastic you have is the stuff they sell to tape/rubber band
around your windows for extra insulation in winter, right? I think that
would be way too flimsy for what you want. The thicker, "heavy duty" stuff
that's sort of milky in appearance might fare better, but even that would
be too thin to stay put in the face of whipping winter winds around here.
YMMV due to locale.
Better would be to start with a more appropriate plastic. Those things in
coolers are quite thick...
Scratching my beard for a few minutes, I'm thinking plexiglass, lexan,
something like that. Thin strips of plexiglass. Expensive to buy, but
maybe you can beg some off-cuts from a glass place. That would be a better
place to start if you can come by the stuff cheap or free.
If not, think about weighting the plastic you have. That might help. Maybe
tack some yellow boards to the bottom of each strip, and paint purple
snowflakes and red lightning bolts on'em.
--
Michael McIntyre ---- Silvan <[email protected]>
Linux fanatic, and certified Geek; registered Linux user #243621
http://www.geocities.com/Paris/Rue/5407/
[email protected] wrote:
> second, you *DO*NOT* want it dragging on the floor. That 'inch or two'
Yeah, I meant to say that too.
> The _ideal_ "improvisatonal" stuff to use is the flexible, clear plastic
> hall 'runner'.
You win the prize. That would do the trick. I was trying to think of
something readily available that's thick enough, and I didn't remember my
days working in the domestics department at Wally-World. For shame.
> (available at a 'fishermans supply') work just fine. I've been known to
> use Linotype slugs, even -- but I'll bet hardly *anybody* here knows what
> _those_ are. *grin*
I do. Maybe. That was the one where you keyed it into the machine, and it
lined up the molds and cast the line of type in lead on the fly, right?
I've read about them, but never played with one.
--
Michael McIntyre ---- Silvan <[email protected]>
Linux fanatic, and certified Geek; registered Linux user #243621
http://www.geocities.com/Paris/Rue/5407/
On Fri, 24 Oct 2003 22:08:29 -0400 (EDT), [email protected]
(T.) wrote:
> So, this year, I'll make a strip door, along these lines, but
>smaller. http://www.njdoorworks.com/images2/stripdoor.gif You've
>probably all seen them, strips of plastic, easy walk thru, keeps cold
>in, or out.
When I've had those, I've bought them at industrial auctions, factory
closures etc.
The clear strip is much heavier than anything else I've seen, to stop
the wind blowing it around. Don't know where you'd find a substitute.
--
Die Gotterspammerung - Junkmail of the Gods
Your window-sealing plastic is *probably* _way_ too light-weight to survive
for any length of time.
The plastic _needs_ to be fairly heavy, to keep it from blowing open in
'light' breezes. "commercial" doors often use material that's close to
1/8" thick.
second, you *DO*NOT* want it dragging on the floor. That 'inch or two'
laying on the floor you mentioned -- you *will* step on it walking
through the door. which will turn the door into a "poor but functional"
imitation of a wall.
The _ideal_ "improvisatonal" stuff to use is the flexible, clear plastic
hall 'runner'.
Next best is *heavy*grade* plastic sheeting or drop-cloth material. minimum
of SIX mil thick (yes I mean 6.0 mil, _not_ the fly-weight 0.6 mil stuff),
and eight mil is better. It's a good idea to fold a 'pocket' in the bottom
of each strip, and add some "ballast" to help stablize against wind. Any of
'curtain weights' (readily available at a fabric/upholstery stor), lead shot
(available from a gun shop and/or sporting goods store), or 'split sinkers'
(available at a 'fishermans supply') work just fine. I've been known to
use Linotype slugs, even -- but I'll bet hardly *anybody* here knows what
_those_ are. *grin*
Recommended construction: use _two_ boards at the top, with several bolts
run through the pair. Lay the strips on one board, place the other board
on top, and tighten the bolts to 'pinch' the material in place. It _greatly_
simplifies replacing damaged strips, not to mention "fixing" it when you
don't get strips laid quite straight the first time.
In article <[email protected]>,
T. <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>
> Colder times are coming, and I like to keep my shop door open.
>Plenty of lighting inside,but makes it seem bigger with the door open,
>among other reasons.
>
> So, this year, I'll make a strip door, along these lines, but
>smaller. http://www.njdoorworks.com/images2/stripdoor.gif You've
>probably all seen them, strips of plastic, easy walk thru, keeps cold
>in, or out.
>
> I have a roll of the clear plastic window covering, cost about $4 I
>think, and a lot on a roll. I'll figure how long the strips need to be,
>an inch or two on the floor I think. Strips 6"-12" wide. Two layers,
>overlapping. Tack them on a piece of 2X4, and fasten it up. I can take
>the 2X4 down, and roll the strips around it, for summer, if I want.
>Thinking just leaving it, to keep at least some of the mosquitos out.
>Got a window with a fan, so should be comfortable enough.
>
> I'm wondering if any of you have done this, and if so, any mods I
>should consider, or downsides.
>
>JOAT
>Make my shorts. Eat my day.
>
>Life just ain't life without good music. - JOAT
>Web Page Update 23 Oct 2003.
>Some tunes I like.
>http://community-2.webtv.net/Jakofalltrades/SOMETUNESILIKE/
>
Yes, I know what Linotype slugs are.
I forgot to mention, I've got a lot of trees on my place, so I
don't get much fierce wind down at ground level.
You guys are missing some important points. I already have this
plastic. And, yes, I know exactly what it is. But, I will be using it
anyway. Because anything else, I would have to buy. And, wear on this
is not a major factor, as people aren't going to be going back and forth
thru it all day long.
I don't see having an inch or two on the floor as much of a problem
either. I don't walk up to a door, with my shoes an inch from the door,
and don't figure I'm gonna be stepping on this if it has a couple of
inches on the floor. I've been on work sites where a tarp was used, and
maybe 6-12" on the floor - never stepped on any of those, so don't
figure this would be a problem. If I do step on it, it would only
happen once, then it'd get trimmed a tad.
The plastic is 36" wide, and folded, so the roll is only 18" wide.
Your point of this stuff being too light, may have merit. I will
experiment with some single layers first, to see how they do. So,
doubled may be the way to go, at 18", rather than 6-12" strips.
As I said, wind shouldn't be much of a factor. If it's blowing
that hard, I wouldn't be in the shop anyway. But, the suggestion of
weights might be good. I thought of strips of board/2X4, before I ever
posted, but discarded that. If they did blow in the wind, that'd
probably be like wind chimes. If I wanted wind chimes, I'd get a few
steel drums, hang them up, and bug the Hell out of the neighbors. But,
if you want really neat wind chimes, get a few gas welding tanks, and
cut them off to different length. Those are MAN's wind chimes. And
who's ever heard of purple snowflakes? Green.
So, for weights, if needed, I would probably be cutting discs out
of scrap plywood, and fastening them on. Yeah, yeah, yeah, I know
about sinkers, etc., and where to get them. I also know people want
money for them. I prefer to do with what I have, first. Anyway, if I
were going to go with the fold a pocket idea, I wouldn't be buying
weights anyway, I'd be using sand or gravel, dug for free.
JOAT
Make my shorts. Eat my day.
Life just ain't life without good music. - JOAT
Web Page Update 23 Oct 2003.
Some tunes I like.
http://community-2.webtv.net/Jakofalltrades/SOMETUNESILIKE/
T. wrote:
> You guys are missing some important points. I already have this
> plastic. And, yes, I know exactly what it is. But, I will be using it
> anyway. Because anything else, I would have to buy. And, wear on this
Well, fair enough, but IMHO and FWIW you're probably just wasting it. If it
was free, what the hell.
> I don't see having an inch or two on the floor as much of a problem
> either. I don't walk up to a door, with my shoes an inch from the door,
I'm thinking of vertical blinds, personally. Let them touch the floor, and
they don't hang right. They don't seal out light properly. Trim them
above the floor, and presto. With your things it would be wind/air, but I
think it would be the same principle.
> if you want really neat wind chimes, get a few gas welding tanks, and
> cut them off to different length. Those are MAN's wind chimes. And
Now you just need to tune them.
> who's ever heard of purple snowflakes? Green.
Only if you're a weirdo.
> So, for weights, if needed, I would probably be cutting discs out
Discs? Why discs? Something straight would probably look less ridiculous,
and would be easier to cut too.
Anyway, if I
> were going to go with the fold a pocket idea, I wouldn't be buying
> weights anyway, I'd be using sand or gravel, dug for free.
Must be a damn flatlander then. Ain't no sand in the mountains, Chief.
--
Michael McIntyre ---- Silvan <[email protected]>
Linux fanatic, and certified Geek; registered Linux user #243621
http://www.geocities.com/Paris/Rue/5407/
Based on the attitude you express in this article,
I am utterly baffled as to why you bothered to ask for any
suggestions in the first place.
When you do _ask_for_suggestions_, the polite thing to do is
simply _listen_, and (optionally) say "thank you". *EVEN*IF*
you disagree with the suggestions.
You are *NOT* compelled to *take* the advice offered, but, when
the recipient publicly dissects and *criticizes* the suggestions
offered, you discourage _anybody_ from offering you suggestions in
the future.
I, for one, have "learned my lesson", and will *NOT* repeat the mistake.
Using the WRONG MATERIALS for the job, even if those materials are
"free", gives vastly inferior results, and usually *ruins* the materials,
so they are no longer avaiable for use in an 'appropriate' application.
There are _good_ reasons for using lead wights, vs. wood, or sand, or
gravel. You've ensured that you'll never find out _from_me_ what they
are.
There's an old saying:
"Everyone has the inalienable right to be wrong....
Sometimes you just have to let them exercise their rights."
I'm going to let you "exercise your rights", without further hinderance,
or comment.
In article <[email protected]>,
T. <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>
> Yes, I know what Linotype slugs are.
>
> I forgot to mention, I've got a lot of trees on my place, so I
>don't get much fierce wind down at ground level.
>
> You guys are missing some important points. I already have this
>plastic. And, yes, I know exactly what it is. But, I will be using it
>anyway. Because anything else, I would have to buy. And, wear on this
>is not a major factor, as people aren't going to be going back and forth
>thru it all day long.
>
> I don't see having an inch or two on the floor as much of a problem
>either. I don't walk up to a door, with my shoes an inch from the door,
>and don't figure I'm gonna be stepping on this if it has a couple of
>inches on the floor. I've been on work sites where a tarp was used, and
>maybe 6-12" on the floor - never stepped on any of those, so don't
>figure this would be a problem. If I do step on it, it would only
>happen once, then it'd get trimmed a tad.
>
> The plastic is 36" wide, and folded, so the roll is only 18" wide.
>Your point of this stuff being too light, may have merit. I will
>experiment with some single layers first, to see how they do. So,
>doubled may be the way to go, at 18", rather than 6-12" strips.
>
> As I said, wind shouldn't be much of a factor. If it's blowing
>that hard, I wouldn't be in the shop anyway. But, the suggestion of
>weights might be good. I thought of strips of board/2X4, before I ever
>posted, but discarded that. If they did blow in the wind, that'd
>probably be like wind chimes. If I wanted wind chimes, I'd get a few
>steel drums, hang them up, and bug the Hell out of the neighbors. But,
>if you want really neat wind chimes, get a few gas welding tanks, and
>cut them off to different length. Those are MAN's wind chimes. And
>who's ever heard of purple snowflakes? Green.
>
> So, for weights, if needed, I would probably be cutting discs out
>of scrap plywood, and fastening them on. Yeah, yeah, yeah, I know
>about sinkers, etc., and where to get them. I also know people want
>money for them. I prefer to do with what I have, first. Anyway, if I
>were going to go with the fold a pocket idea, I wouldn't be buying
>weights anyway, I'd be using sand or gravel, dug for free.
>
>JOAT
>Make my shorts. Eat my day.
>
>Life just ain't life without good music. - JOAT
>Web Page Update 23 Oct 2003.
>Some tunes I like.
>http://community-2.webtv.net/Jakofalltrades/SOMETUNESILIKE/
>
Sun, Oct 26, 2003, 4:09am (EST+5) [email protected]
([email protected]=A0()) says:
Based on the attitude you express in this article, I am utterly baffled
as to why you bothered to ask for any suggestions in the first place.
Attitude? I was being quite polite, I thought. The original post
was for any mods I should consider, or downsides. I thought that was
clear enough that I was going to do it with the materials on hand, and
just wanted ideas. Guess I was wrong. I know I didn't ask what I
should use, or how I should put it up. I wanted to know if there was
anything I had missed in my reasoning, not if I should use something
else.
When you do _ask_for_suggestions_, the polite thing to do is simply
_listen_, and (optionally) say "thank you". *EVEN*IF* you disagree with
the suggestions.
So, even if you know they are totally wrong, you just say thank
you? I'll take that under advisement.
You are *NOT* compelled to *take* the advice offered, but, when the
recipient publicly dissects and *criticizes* the suggestions offered,
you discourage _anybody_ from offering you suggestions in the future.
LMAO Publically dissects and criticizes? Now that's funny. You
need to check some of the other newsgroups, before you say something
like that. This newsgroup is the polite one.
I, for one, have "learned my lesson", and will *NOT* repeat the mistake.
OK, no prob.
Using the WRONG MATERIALS for the job, even if those materials are
"free", gives vastly inferior results,
Wrong? No. Not the best? Yes. And, inferior to what? It's
better than having the door open - or closed. I'm happy. What's
inferior about that? Sounds more like you're saying if you can't do it
the "proper" way, with the "proper" materials, don't do it at all.
and usually *ruins* the materials, so they are no longer avaiable for
use in an 'appropriate' application.
So? My money, my plastic. It was never bought to cover windows.
It was bought to trace patterns, which means most of the roll would be
wasted. This puts the excess to use.
There are _good_ reasons for using lead wights, vs. wood, or sand, or
gravel. You've ensured that you'll never find out _from_me_ what they
are.
Sounds like an 826 to me.
There's an old saying:
=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0"Everyone has the inalienable right to be wrong....
=A0 Sometimes you just have to let them exercise their rights."
I'm going to let you "exercise your rights", without further hinderance,
or comment.
No prob. I've gone thru a substantial part of my life with people
telling me I couldn't do something. Usually just before I did it.
However, I'll abandon this wild train of thought, if I can get
sufficient funds to pay for "proper" materials. Any volunteers to send
money? Non-sequential, small denomination, used bills, preferred,
Legal currency only. I do accept PayPal.
Once the door is up, I will be posting an update - when I finally
get around to it - and let you know how well it works. Or doesn't work,
if that's the case.
This project has the Woodworking Gods' blessings, by the way.
They're curious too.
JOAT
Make my shorts. Eat my day.
Life just ain't life without good music. - JOAT
Web Page Update 23 Oct 2003.
Some tunes I like.
http://community-2.webtv.net/Jakofalltrades/SOMETUNESILIKE/