Do I have a spreadsheet for you. I've just spent the better part of a
week research all the different saws on the market and I'm not sure if
that made it easier or harder to make the decision. A duanting process
to say the least.
I just had a run in with my right tilt saw this weekend and now I
realize why everyone wants the left variety. I was trying to put a 45
on a 6" by 8' strip of wood for a project I'm working on. Didn't have
it supported enough on the outfeed side and it tipped up and got caught
on the blade. Luckily it was real long or I would have been eating it.
That being said, I didn't even check until the after I decided on the
36-682XL which way it leaned. I don't make enough 45's to care.
Good Luck with your search.
Chuck
"Leon" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> Yeeeee Haaaa..
>
>> Advantages:
>
> Are you right handed?
>
> Get the left tilt.
>
> 1. Left tilt has the bevel wheel on the right side and is easily turned
with
> your Right hand.
>
>
I keep seeing this reply in allot of WW forums. My RIGHT tilt GO444Z has
the bevel wheel on the right side.
Pyro22
Like some said, do a google on it (did you know that google.com has a NG
section?).
Well, I would say (MAYBE safely speak for "everyone"??) that it does
matter. The thing about having to move the fence isn't that easy as
talking. Yes, the safety issue would support left tilt. <slag word>,
there's TS that has BOTH tilts ;)
Chuck
> I've found that for most uses the tilt direction doesn't matter as the
> fence can be moved to either side of the blade...
Thanks Leon for the info....Some of us have not been here since the
beginning of time & appreciate real info instead of the "Do a Google
Search" answers.
JJS
Leon wrote:
> Yeeeee Haaaa..
>
> It's been a long time since I have rubber stamped this reply.
>
> In all seriousness, after having heard all the reasons, here are a few less
> important but may help sway you.
>
> ;~) The single most asked question in this group that I paste this rubber
> stamp answer to.
>
> Both saws will make all the same cuts. Some easier on the left tilt, some
> easier on the right tilt. Strictly personal preference. But if you need to
> be steered one way or the other,
>
> Advantages:
>
> Are you right handed?
>
> Get the left tilt.
>
> 1. Left tilt has the bevel wheel on the right side and is easily turned with
> your Right hand.
>
> 2. Left tilt can rip a narrow bevel with out having to move the fence to the
> left side of the blade.
>
> 3. Left tilt allows the blade arbor nut to be removed with your right hand.
>
> 4. Left tilt allows your to remove the arbor nut and turn it in the
> direction that you would expect.
>
> 5. With a Left tilt, when both edges of a board are beveled, the sharp point
> of the
> bevel is up on the fence when cutting the second bevel as opposed to the
> bottom of the fence where it might slip under.
>
> 6. RIGHT tilt if you are left handed. The bevel wheel is on the left side of
> the saw.
>
> 7. RIGHT tilt if you "must" use the fence distance indicator when using a
> stacked dado blade set. The blades stack left, away from the fence. The
> indicator remains accurate. On the left tilt, the blades stack towards the
> fence and makes the indicator inaccurate. In this case use a tape measure to
> set the fence distance.
>
> 8. RIGHT tilt allows you to remove the arbor nut with your left hand but the
> nut must be turned clockwise to loosen. Bassackwards to normalcy.
>
> If considering a cabinet saw, with wide 50" rip capacity.
>
> The Left tilt will most often afford you the most storage room under the
> right table extension. The RIGHT tilt has an access door in that location
> that will demand room to open. The left tilt allows you to have access to
> the motor and or the insides of the cabinet from the more open left side of
> the saw with out having to crawl under the right extension table. Very nice
> if you ever happen to drop the arbor nut inside the cabinet. If you are
> considering getting a replacement saw and considering going to the opposite
> tilt this time consider that the miter slots may not be the same distance
> from the blade when comparing a left to right tilt saw. This may or may not
> be of concern but something to consider.
>
>
>
>
>
> "Stan Stewart" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> news:Yrp0e.76332$%[email protected]...
>
>>I am in the market for a new contractors table saw. Just wanted some pros &
>>cons for right tilt or left tilt. Looking at a Grizzly G0444Z or Delta
>>36-680. The old Craftsman I have is a left tilt so that's what I'm used to.
>>
>
>
>
Andrew Barss wrote:
> John Grossbohlin <[email protected]> wrote:
> : Hmmm, let's see. To move the fence to the left of the blade: Lower the blade
> : all the way, slide the fence to the left of the throat plate, raise the
> : blade, tilt the blade to the desired angle... Takes about as much time to do
> : as it took to type this. Course you'd have to be able to work through a
> : multi-step process to pull this off. ;-)
>
>
> That's the hard way. Easy way: pick the fence up, move to the left, put
> it down. Takes 1.245 seconds. If you have a Biesemeyer-syle fence, of
> course.
>
> -- Andy Barss
My Biesemeyer (on a PM66) will only give me about a 2" wide cut on the
left side of the blade and 50" on the right. It seems like that is a
significant advantage to being able to use the fence on the right side
of the blade. Do you weld an extension on the Biesemeyer tube to allow
it to clamp on farther left? In any event the available width of cut
will be significantly less on the narrow side of the saw table, not more
than about 8" even if the Bies tube went all the way to the end of the
saw table.
Roger
Yeeeee Haaaa..
It's been a long time since I have rubber stamped this reply.
In all seriousness, after having heard all the reasons, here are a few less
important but may help sway you.
;~) The single most asked question in this group that I paste this rubber
stamp answer to.
Both saws will make all the same cuts. Some easier on the left tilt, some
easier on the right tilt. Strictly personal preference. But if you need to
be steered one way or the other,
Advantages:
Are you right handed?
Get the left tilt.
1. Left tilt has the bevel wheel on the right side and is easily turned with
your Right hand.
2. Left tilt can rip a narrow bevel with out having to move the fence to the
left side of the blade.
3. Left tilt allows the blade arbor nut to be removed with your right hand.
4. Left tilt allows your to remove the arbor nut and turn it in the
direction that you would expect.
5. With a Left tilt, when both edges of a board are beveled, the sharp point
of the
bevel is up on the fence when cutting the second bevel as opposed to the
bottom of the fence where it might slip under.
6. RIGHT tilt if you are left handed. The bevel wheel is on the left side of
the saw.
7. RIGHT tilt if you "must" use the fence distance indicator when using a
stacked dado blade set. The blades stack left, away from the fence. The
indicator remains accurate. On the left tilt, the blades stack towards the
fence and makes the indicator inaccurate. In this case use a tape measure to
set the fence distance.
8. RIGHT tilt allows you to remove the arbor nut with your left hand but the
nut must be turned clockwise to loosen. Bassackwards to normalcy.
If considering a cabinet saw, with wide 50" rip capacity.
The Left tilt will most often afford you the most storage room under the
right table extension. The RIGHT tilt has an access door in that location
that will demand room to open. The left tilt allows you to have access to
the motor and or the insides of the cabinet from the more open left side of
the saw with out having to crawl under the right extension table. Very nice
if you ever happen to drop the arbor nut inside the cabinet. If you are
considering getting a replacement saw and considering going to the opposite
tilt this time consider that the miter slots may not be the same distance
from the blade when comparing a left to right tilt saw. This may or may not
be of concern but something to consider.
"Stan Stewart" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:Yrp0e.76332$%[email protected]...
>I am in the market for a new contractors table saw. Just wanted some pros &
>cons for right tilt or left tilt. Looking at a Grizzly G0444Z or Delta
>36-680. The old Craftsman I have is a left tilt so that's what I'm used to.
>
"Keith" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:1111641910.c6741a15dd9d4b887ae5068531a6eb5e@teranews...
>
> "Leon" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> news:[email protected]...
>> Yeeeee Haaaa..
>>
>>> Advantages:
>>
>> Are you right handed?
>>
>> Get the left tilt.
>>
>> 1. Left tilt has the bevel wheel on the right side and is easily turned
> with
>> your Right hand.
>>
>>
>
> I keep seeing this reply in allot of WW forums. My RIGHT tilt GO444Z has
> the bevel wheel on the right side.
There will always be exceptions to the rule.
"Stan Stewart" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:Yrp0e.76332$%[email protected]...
>I am in the market for a new contractors table saw. Just wanted some pros &
>cons for right tilt or left tilt. Looking at a Grizzly G0444Z or Delta
>36-680. The old Craftsman I have is a left tilt so that's what I'm used to.
I've found that for most uses the tilt direction doesn't matter as the fence
can be moved to either side of the blade... I suppose if I tied to make an
bevel cut on stock too wide for the left side of the table it would be an
issue but that hasn't happened to me yet.
John
"Al Reid" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:q2B1e.26989$qN3.14969@trndny01...
> "Bob G." <[email protected]> wrote in message
> news:[email protected]...
>>
>> ================
>> With my Right Tilt Saw...and my Biesmeyer Fence..
>>
>> I just lift the fence up move it to the other side of the blade and
>> put it back down on the table... (about 1/3 or the time it took to
>> type the above...)
>>
>> No need to get the blade involved at all...
>>
>> I admit that I do not do this very often ..but I did need to buy a
>> right to left stick on measuring tape to attach to the fence rail to
>> the left of the blade... Big Fricken deal...
>>
>> Bob Griffiths
>>
>>
>
> That's exactly how I handle the situation on me Delta contractors saw with
> Bies Fence. Even put down the left measuring tape.
>
> It gets very little use, BTW.
>
> --
>
> Al Reid
For poster CNT's sake, and knowing that not all fences are easily lifted
off, I went with the lowering the blade approach in my original response--my
Jet cabinet saw's Xacta (Commercial) fence lifts right off. Like others
though I've seldom found the need to do so! ;-)
John
In article <1111641910.c6741a15dd9d4b887ae5068531a6eb5e@teranews>,
Keith <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>"Leon" <[email protected]> wrote in message
>news:[email protected]...
>> Yeeeee Haaaa..
>>
>>> Advantages:
>>
>> Are you right handed?
>>
>> Get the left tilt.
>>
>> 1. Left tilt has the bevel wheel on the right side and is easily turned
>with
>> your Right hand.
>>
>>
>
>I keep seeing this reply in allot of WW forums. My RIGHT tilt GO444Z has
>the bevel wheel on the right side.
>
>Pyro22
>
>
As does my right-tilt Delta 36-630
--
Larry Wasserman Baltimore, Maryland
[email protected]
This subject has been beat to death over the past few years. Do a Google
search and you'll more than enough
opinions to last a while.
"Stan Stewart" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:Yrp0e.76332$%[email protected]...
>I am in the market for a new contractors table saw. Just wanted some pros &
>cons for right tilt or left tilt. Looking at a Grizzly G0444Z or Delta
>36-680. The old Craftsman I have is a left tilt so that's what I'm used to.
>
Thanks, guys. Opinions, that's what I was looking for! Stan
"Stan Stewart" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:Yrp0e.76332$%[email protected]...
>I am in the market for a new contractors table saw. Just wanted some pros &
>cons for right tilt or left tilt. Looking at a Grizzly G0444Z or Delta
>36-680. The old Craftsman I have is a left tilt so that's what I'm used to.
>
John Grossbohlin <[email protected]> wrote:
: Hmmm, let's see. To move the fence to the left of the blade: Lower the blade
: all the way, slide the fence to the left of the throat plate, raise the
: blade, tilt the blade to the desired angle... Takes about as much time to do
: as it took to type this. Course you'd have to be able to work through a
: multi-step process to pull this off. ;-)
That's the hard way. Easy way: pick the fence up, move to the left, put
it down. Takes 1.245 seconds. If you have a Biesemeyer-syle fence, of
course.
-- Andy Barss
> Somebody sell you a set of short rails...???
>
> Bob Griffiths
>
> And BTW Biesmeyer used to sell rails in any lenght you wanted... have
> no idea if Delta changed things after they purchased Biesmeyer My
> Fence and saw are Pre-Delta ...
>
Mine's a pretty early version, as I recall it was spec'd by the model of
the saw. They may well have saved a foot of rail knowing that there was
little reason to put the fence on the left side of the blade on this
saw. I have to admit that today was the first time I'd ever tried it.
Roger
>
>Hmmm, let's see. To move the fence to the left of the blade: Lower the blade
>all the way, slide the fence to the left of the throat plate, raise the
>blade, tilt the blade to the desired angle... Takes about as much time to do
>as it took to type this. Course you'd have to be able to work through a
>multi-step process to pull this off. ;-)
>
>John
>
================
With my Right Tilt Saw...and my Biesmeyer Fence..
I just lift the fence up move it to the other side of the blade and
put it back down on the table... (about 1/3 or the time it took to
type the above...)
No need to get the blade involved at all...
I admit that I do not do this very often ..but I did need to buy a
right to left stick on measuring tape to attach to the fence rail to
the left of the blade... Big Fricken deal...
Bob Griffiths
On Wed, 23 Mar 2005 21:25:52 -0800, "Keith" <[email protected]>
wrote:
> 1. Left tilt has the bevel wheel on the right side and is easily turned
>with
>> your Right hand.
>>
>>
>
>I keep seeing this reply in allot of WW forums. My RIGHT tilt GO444Z has
>the bevel wheel on the right side.
>
>Pyro22
>
===========My 15 year old Right Tilt Jet Cabinet saw JCS # ???
also has the bevel wheel located on the right side of the saw..
Bob Griffiths
>
>My Biesemeyer (on a PM66) will only give me about a 2" wide cut on the
>left side of the blade and 50" on the right. It seems like that is a
>significant advantage to being able to use the fence on the right side
>of the blade. Do you weld an extension on the Biesemeyer tube to allow
>it to clamp on farther left? In any event the available width of cut
>will be significantly less on the narrow side of the saw table, not more
>than about 8" even if the Bies tube went all the way to the end of the
>saw table.
>
>Roger
=================
Standard demensions are 50 right and 12 left ..but you can shift the
rails left or right to suit your own needs.... The outer edge of my
left hand cast iron wing is 20 inches to the left of the blade... The
lenght of the rail itself is slightly over 70 inches..
My Biesemeyer is mounted on a Jet Cabinet saw... with both standard
cast iron wings in place... I shifted the rails to the left a few
inches thus I can rip 48" to the right and 14" left...without any
problems ...and can push it 1/2 inch further if need be....but that
makes the fence hang off the edge a little... Never been a problem in
almost 15 years I have had it set up...
Somebody sell you a set of short rails...???
Bob Griffiths
And BTW Biesmeyer used to sell rails in any lenght you wanted...
have no idea if Delta changed things after they purchased Biesmeyer
My Fence and saw are Pre-Delta ...
"Bob G." <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
>
> ================
> With my Right Tilt Saw...and my Biesmeyer Fence..
>
> I just lift the fence up move it to the other side of the blade and
> put it back down on the table... (about 1/3 or the time it took to
> type the above...)
>
> No need to get the blade involved at all...
>
> I admit that I do not do this very often ..but I did need to buy a
> right to left stick on measuring tape to attach to the fence rail to
> the left of the blade... Big Fricken deal...
>
> Bob Griffiths
>
>
That's exactly how I handle the situation on me Delta contractors saw with
Bies Fence. Even put down the left measuring tape.
It gets very little use, BTW.
--
Al Reid
On Wed, 23 Mar 2005 21:20:22 -0500, "Stan Stewart"
<[email protected]> wrote:
>I am in the market for a new contractors table saw. Just wanted some pros &
>cons for right tilt or left tilt. Looking at a Grizzly G0444Z or Delta
>36-680. The old Craftsman I have is a left tilt so that's what I'm used to.
>
=================
Have not read any of the replies yet...BUT in General
Flip a coin...or take whichever one the dealer has in stock...
Honest I own both ...and use both...
The only times that I will intentionally walk past one saw to use the
other is in the case of ripping a 45 degree bevel..In which case I
will use my left tilt... If I have a few Dados to cut I will always
use my right tilt...
If you are used to a left tilt ....buy another left tilt...
Bob Griffiths
"CNT" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> Like some said, do a google on it (did you know that google.com has a NG
> section?).
>
> Well, I would say (MAYBE safely speak for "everyone"??) that it does
> matter. The thing about having to move the fence isn't that easy as
> talking. Yes, the safety issue would support left tilt. <slag word>,
> there's TS that has BOTH tilts ;)
>
> Chuck
>
>> I've found that for most uses the tilt direction doesn't matter as the
>> fence can be moved to either side of the blade...
Hmmm, let's see. To move the fence to the left of the blade: Lower the blade
all the way, slide the fence to the left of the throat plate, raise the
blade, tilt the blade to the desired angle... Takes about as much time to do
as it took to type this. Course you'd have to be able to work through a
multi-step process to pull this off. ;-)
John