A friend who has a wood shop (that I use a lot!) is thinking of replacing his
old Craftsman 12" radial arm saw, with a 12" sliding compound miter saw.
I was wondering of what you woodworkers think the advantages or disadvantages
would be.
Also any recomendations on which SCMS to buy would be appreciated.
Thanks, Cliff
"Over40pirate" <[email protected]> wrote in message
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> A friend who has a wood shop (that I use a lot!) is thinking of replacing
his
> old Craftsman 12" radial arm saw, with a 12" sliding compound miter saw.
> I was wondering of what you woodworkers think the advantages or
disadvantages
> would be.
> Also any recomendations on which SCMS to buy would be appreciated.
> Thanks, Cliff
CMS/SCMSs cannot (of all the models I have ever seen anyway) take stacked
dado blades.
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On Tue, 09 Sep 2003 20:04:41 GMT, "Sam Krenov" <[email protected]>
wrote:
>
>"Nova" <[email protected]> wrote in message
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>> Rumpty wrote:
>>
>> > There would be no advantage of the SCMS over the RAS.
>> >
>> > --
>> >
>> > Rumpty
>>
>> What about portability?
>>
>
>Not really an issue in a shop situation.
Sure it is. I switched years ago so that I could pack up and use the
gear onsite for installations.
The same would hold true in a home shop situation where you wanted to
get the saw close to the work.
Then too, there is the issue of footprint. My former setup with the
RAS took up a whole shop wall and locked it in to dedicated service.
Mind you, I've a collapsible fence and stand system that lets me pack
and go in less than two minutes.
YMMV.
Regards, Tom.
Thomas J. Watson-Cabinetmaker
Gulph Mills, Pennsylvania
http://users.snip.net/~tjwatson
"Tom Watson" <[email protected]> wrote in message
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> On Tue, 09 Sep 2003 21:30:16 GMT, "Sam Krenov" <[email protected]>
> wrote:
<snip>
>
> After careful consideration of the above I find that you have proven
> your point and I am now willing to trade my BT-3000 POS field saw for
> your underused cabinet saw - straight up.
>
> Please advise.
>
I see you're branching out into comedy writing now.
"Tom Watson" <[email protected]> wrote in message
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> On Tue, 09 Sep 2003 20:23:41 GMT, "Sam Krenov" <[email protected]>
> wrote:
>
> >Hmmm, guess I'll trade in my cabinet saw for one of those little
direct
> >drive jobbies so I can take it with me and use less space in my shop.
> >
>
> The great attraction of analogies is that they can seem to provide a
> ready answer to a problem.
>
> The great fault of analogies is that they must be constricted to a
> carefully thought out level of equivalence.
Which I believe I did - it's just not *your* level of equivalence.
> I often spend eight to ten hours a day at my table saw. It lives, as
> it should, at the center of my shop floor. It is the closest thing I
> have to a fixed footprint machine (although, it too is on rollers).
I on the other hand don't do much more than rip boards to width on mine.
I use the RAS for cutting boards to length, dados and rabbets, half
laps, long bevels, etc.
> In a relative sense, I spend very little of my shop time at my SCMS.
I on the other hand spend more time at the RAS than at the tablesaw
> Most of the work that needs to be done by my Unisaw could not be done
> by a more portable saw.
>
> Most of the work that used to be done by my RAS is easily accomplished
> by my SCMS.
I've yet to see one that will easily plow dados and rabbets.
>
> The RAS demanded seventy five square feet of shop footprint and could
> not be moved without difficulty.
Mines on rollers and only takes up about 12 square feet.
> The SCMS, with its collapsible fences, takes up much less space, can
> be moved closer to the shaper, tablesaw, molder, jointer as needed,
> and has uses in the field, saving the cost of extra machinery.
I'm not sure how you work, but my miter saw sits next to my assembly
area I only use it for cutting already milled pieces prior to
assembly. I've never had a need to move it next to the shaper, jointer
etc. The couple of hundred bucks for the CMS was worth it as I can take
it on location, use zero clearance inserts for very exact cuts, and I
can raise it to a fairly high working level which really saves my back
but I would never think of it as a substitute for my RAS. Even if it
slid, they're two completely different tools.
YMMV and sounds like it does.
"Woody" <[email protected]> wrote in message
>
> CMS/SCMSs cannot (of all the models I have ever seen anyway) take stacked
> dado blades.
Not to mention that you cannot rip a board with a cms or scms.
"Leon" <[email protected]> wrote in message
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>
> "Woody" <[email protected]> wrote in message
>
> >
> > CMS/SCMSs cannot (of all the models I have ever seen anyway) take
stacked
> > dado blades.
>
> Not to mention that you cannot rip a board with a cms or scms.
>
>
Leon
All depends on the size of the board to be ripped...
Have you ever tried to rip using a dado setup??? Aw never mind...
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Over40pirate wrote:
> A friend who has a wood shop (that I use a lot!) is thinking of
> replacing his
> old Craftsman 12" radial arm saw, with a 12" sliding compound miter saw.
> I was wondering of what you woodworkers think the advantages or
> disadvantages
> would be.
> Also any recomendations on which SCMS to buy would be appreciated.
> Thanks, Cliff
--
I have used a DeWalt 10" RS for years, and I like it. Recently, I
bought the DeWalt 12" CMS and I think it's great. Dead on accurate
right out of the box. The SCMS was more than twice the price, so since
I do have the RS, I chose not to buy the slider. I'm thinking of
selling the RS, and use just a TS and CMS.
That would be like replacing your TS with a circle saw...
Makes no sense at all unless you have TS around anyway.
"Over40pirate" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> A friend who has a wood shop (that I use a lot!) is thinking of replacing
his
> old Craftsman 12" radial arm saw, with a 12" sliding compound miter saw.
> I was wondering of what you woodworkers think the advantages or
disadvantages
> would be.
> Also any recomendations on which SCMS to buy would be appreciated.
> Thanks, Cliff
On Tue, 09 Sep 2003 21:30:16 GMT, "Sam Krenov" <[email protected]>
wrote:
>> >Hmmm, guess I'll trade in my cabinet saw for one of those little
>direct
>> >drive jobbies so I can take it with me and use less space in my shop.
>> >
(snip)
>I on the other hand don't do much more than rip boards to width on mine.
>I use the RAS for cutting boards to length, dados and rabbets, half
>laps, long bevels, etc.
>
>> In a relative sense, I spend very little of my shop time at my SCMS.
>
>I on the other hand spend more time at the RAS than at the tablesaw
>
(snip)
After careful consideration of the above I find that you have proven
your point and I am now willing to trade my BT-3000 POS field saw for
your underused cabinet saw - straight up.
Please advise.
Regards, Tom.
Thomas J. Watson-Cabinetmaker
Gulph Mills, Pennsylvania
http://users.snip.net/~tjwatson
I have a RAS, CMS and TS. The RAS gets the most use it seems. I use the TS
just for ripping, The CMS for miters and the RAS for all other crosscut and
dado work. If a SCMS can't take a Dado blade, then when I my 25 y/o RAS
dies, I will buy another.
Leslie Gossett
"Over40pirate" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> A friend who has a wood shop (that I use a lot!) is thinking of replacing
his
> old Craftsman 12" radial arm saw, with a 12" sliding compound miter saw.
> I was wondering of what you woodworkers think the advantages or
disadvantages
> would be.
> Also any recomendations on which SCMS to buy would be appreciated.
> Thanks, Cliff
"Tom Watson" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> On Tue, 09 Sep 2003 20:04:41 GMT, "Sam Krenov" <[email protected]>
> wrote:
>
> >
> >"Nova" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> >news:[email protected]...
> >> Rumpty wrote:
> >>
> >> > There would be no advantage of the SCMS over the RAS.
> >> >
> >> > --
> >> >
> >> > Rumpty
> >>
> >> What about portability?
> >>
> >
> >Not really an issue in a shop situation.
>
> Sure it is. I switched years ago so that I could pack up and use the
> gear onsite for installations.
>
> The same would hold true in a home shop situation where you wanted to
> get the saw close to the work.
>
> Then too, there is the issue of footprint. My former setup with the
> RAS took up a whole shop wall and locked it in to dedicated service.
>
> Mind you, I've a collapsible fence and stand system that lets me pack
> and go in less than two minutes.
>
> YMMV.
>
>
>
> Regards, Tom.
Hmmm, guess I'll trade in my cabinet saw for one of those little direct
drive jobbies so I can take it with me and use less space in my shop.
"Buttonhole McGee" <[email protected]> wrote in message
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> This may help ameliorate that dampness problem manifesting itself
astern
> of your your aural protrusions.
>
>
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>
> If you can't enjoy Tom's contributions, you may not have fun around
here.
> ;-)
Who's the Keeper of the Klown Hammer these days? Some one please set
it to "Satire" and give this guy a klocking.
On Tue, 09 Sep 2003 20:23:41 GMT, "Sam Krenov" <[email protected]>
wrote:
>Hmmm, guess I'll trade in my cabinet saw for one of those little direct
>drive jobbies so I can take it with me and use less space in my shop.
>
The great attraction of analogies is that they can seem to provide a
ready answer to a problem.
The great fault of analogies is that they must be constricted to a
carefully thought out level of equivalence.
I often spend eight to ten hours a day at my table saw. It lives, as
it should, at the center of my shop floor. It is the closest thing I
have to a fixed footprint machine (although, it too is on rollers).
In a relative sense, I spend very little of my shop time at my SCMS.
Most of the work that needs to be done by my Unisaw could not be done
by a more portable saw.
Most of the work that used to be done by my RAS is easily accomplished
by my SCMS.
The RAS demanded seventy five square feet of shop footprint and could
not be moved without difficulty.
The SCMS, with its collapsible fences, takes up much less space, can
be moved closer to the shaper, tablesaw, molder, jointer as needed,
and has uses in the field, saving the cost of extra machinery.
I don't know what you do for a living but, as a cabinetmaker, these
are important considerations to me.
Regards, Tom.
Thomas J. Watson-Cabinetmaker
Gulph Mills, Pennsylvania
http://users.snip.net/~tjwatson
> >
> > Sure it is. I switched years ago so that I could pack up and use the
> > gear onsite for installations.
> >
> > The same would hold true in a home shop situation where you wanted to
> > get the saw close to the work.
> >
> > Then too, there is the issue of footprint. My former setup with the
> > RAS took up a whole shop wall and locked it in to dedicated service.
> >
> > Mind you, I've a collapsible fence and stand system that lets me pack
> > and go in less than two minutes.
> >
> > YMMV.
> >
> >
> >
> > Regards, Tom.
>
> Hmmm, guess I'll trade in my cabinet saw for one of those little direct
> drive jobbies so I can take it with me and use less space in my shop.
>
Get both if you need to be portable. I did.
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Jim in NC