I just finished the fir base for a new workbench I'm building with
commercial Zinsser Bulls Eye Shellac (Clear). I was surprised when I
open the can because it looked like milk - a white suspension. I'm not
sure if this is wax (I thought clear Shellacs were dewaxed) or if the
stuff was spoiled in some way. The manufactured date on the bottom of
the can is 8-18-03 so it is pretty fresh stuff. I let a few drops of it
dry on the can lid as an experiment and it gave a hard film after drying
overnight but VERY cloudy. I tried warming the stuff by putting the
closed can in some hot water for a while. No change - none of the
suspended solids appeared to dissolve. So I diluted part of it from a 3
lb cut to a 1 lb cut, and filtered it though a coffee filter. Very slow
to filter but it gave a nice amber solution which was just slightly
cloudy. The filter contained lots of white solids. I use the filtered
stuff to finish the base. Put on one coat and let it dry overnight and
sanded smooth with 220, then put on two more coats without any
additional sanding. The results are quite nice - the wood is slightly
darker and has a nice somewhat glossy clear surface. I mainly did this
to put a water vapor barrier on the base to minimize wood movement due
to humidity change. I don't think I would have gotten this nice
appearance if I'd used the stuff out of the can. Is this par for the
course with premixed Shellac or did I get some bad stuff? Are the
white solids wax or something else?
In the future I plan to mix up my own Shellac and hopefully avoid these
problems. Can anyone recommend a good source for dewaxed Shellac
flakes?
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On Wed, 05 Nov 2003 01:36:10 -0500, Silvan
<[email protected]> wrote:
>My biggest complaint was the smell. It makes poly/mineral spirits smell
>like sweet candy by comparison.
I've no idea what you use in the USA, but in the UK our "methylated
spirit" stinks of pyridine. Horrible stuff, and a really unpleasant
thing to work with all day. If you can find strong drinking
alcohol, like Everclear (which we don't have in the UK) then it's a
lot more pleasant to work with.
Most meths is also dyed purple, which can produce a visible cast in
white or some blonde shellac. Undyed isn't that hard to find, but
buying unstenched alcohol generally needs a trade account with a
chemical supplier.
--
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It sounds as if you have a sanding sealer which has loads of heavy partials that fill the grain and
to some extent will obliterate it. if left to stand in a warm room for a week or two it should
settle out
Greg
"Steve James" <[email protected]> wrote in message news:1g3w62x.1sxxcsjjernliN%[email protected]...
: I just finished the fir base for a new workbench I'm building with
: commercial Zinsser Bulls Eye Shellac (Clear). I was surprised when I
: open the can because it looked like milk - a white suspension. I'm not
: sure if this is wax (I thought clear Shellacs were dewaxed) or if the
: stuff was spoiled in some way. The manufactured date on the bottom of
: the can is 8-18-03 so it is pretty fresh stuff. I let a few drops of it
: dry on the can lid as an experiment and it gave a hard film after drying
: overnight but VERY cloudy. I tried warming the stuff by putting the
: closed can in some hot water for a while. No change - none of the
: suspended solids appeared to dissolve. So I diluted part of it from a 3
: lb cut to a 1 lb cut, and filtered it though a coffee filter. Very slow
: to filter but it gave a nice amber solution which was just slightly
: cloudy. The filter contained lots of white solids. I use the filtered
: stuff to finish the base. Put on one coat and let it dry overnight and
: sanded smooth with 220, then put on two more coats without any
: additional sanding. The results are quite nice - the wood is slightly
: darker and has a nice somewhat glossy clear surface. I mainly did this
: to put a water vapor barrier on the base to minimize wood movement due
: to humidity change. I don't think I would have gotten this nice
: appearance if I'd used the stuff out of the can. Is this par for the
: course with premixed Shellac or did I get some bad stuff? Are the
: white solids wax or something else?
:
: In the future I plan to mix up my own Shellac and hopefully avoid these
: problems. Can anyone recommend a good source for dewaxed Shellac
: flakes?
:
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Silvan <[email protected]> wrote:
> My biggest complaint was the smell. It makes poly/mineral spirits smell
> like sweet candy by comparison. I was totally unprepared for just how
> noxious those alcohol fumes would be. Probably the "denatured" part of it
> I guess. I presume it has stuff in the can to make it highly poisonous, so
> winos don't guzzle it.
The solvent used for commercial shellac, denatured ethanol, evaporates
rapidly to the finish dries quickly but you get a lot of solvent in the
air in a short time. Ethanol is much safer from a health standpoint
than almost any other organic solvent used in finishes - even the ones
that don't have so much smell. The denaturing agent is usually a few
percent methanol which is poisonous if ingested and can cause blindness.
I don't think breathing small amounts of it is likely to be very
hazardous. Some denatured alcohol used to contain benzene - a known
human carcinogen. I don't know if it is still used, but I would
certainly avoid it. Read the label. I finished my workbench base in
the basement and ventilated the room by removing one window and
installing a window fan to exhaust air, and opening the window at the
far side of the room. The warm weather we've been having on the east
coast is am unexpected blessing for this time of year. Since exhausting
air from the room creates a slight negative pressure, none of the
solvent fumes could be detected in the rest of the house. I wear a mask
with cartridge filters when I use any organic solvent finish. You still
need good ventilation though or you will overwhelm the activated
charcoal in the cartridges. The mask worked well for me when applying
the Shellac - I couldn't smell the ethanol at all while I did the
application, and afterwards I left the room until the piece was dry and
the ventilation had removed all the solvent. Shellac in ethanol dries
rapidly so it doesn't take long.
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Silvan <[email protected]> wrote:
> I'll be coming up with something less noxious when I get around to ordering
> some flakes. Everclear has been banned here for quite some time. Too many
> stupid college students killing themselves with it. I'll have to come up
> with something else, and whatever it is, it damn sure won't be "methylated
> spirit."
You could look for a source of anhydrous isopropanol. It is a good
solvent for Shellac if you don't mind the longer drying time. It
doesn't have to be denatured so you won't have the noxious odor. As
organic solvents go it is pretty safe, although I would still use good
ventilation and wear a respirator with charcoal cartridges if you are
working with it for long.
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Bay Area Dave <[email protected]> wrote:
> the answer WE have is "read Andy's comments preceding mine". I believe
> he is in the UK. Have you been inhaling MEK again and lost the last few
> billion of your brain cells? I can't believe you have asked 3 of the
> stupidest ever questions in the last 24 hours. You are a real prize, my
> friend.
>
> dave
Dave, I made the post that originated this thread and I too cannot
understand why you made a post about mineral spirits (aliphatic
hydrocarbon paint thinner) in a thread about shellac. Mineral spirits
are a nonsolvent for shellac. And what's with the hostile response to
someone asking you to explain a nonsensicle post?
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Bob N <[email protected]> wrote:
> Does anyone know if this Dave guy has actually made anything out of wood?
Given how much time he spends making off-topic posts is seems doubtful
that his is employed or spends any time in a shop. He needs to turn off
his computer and get into the shop more, or take the 12 step program
offered by Usenet Posters Anonymous, or sign up for anger-management
therapy. Maybe all of the above.
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Bay Area Dave <[email protected]> wrote:
> Christ almighty! You
> just enjoy trying to make me "wrong" when the issue is your ineptitude!
> and you can't spell too well, either! :)
>
> stick to WW issues with me or talk to the hand.
My bad. Your post was nonsensical (not nonsensicle). Please kill file
me so you won't answer my posts and I won't waste my time responding.
It has been fascinating to watch you transform in less than a year from
a newbie poster with enthusiasm and real woodworking questions to an
obnoxious obsessive poster who is capable of taking almost any post OT
and offending multiple people. What was fascinating has become
tiresome. Have a nice life - when you get one.
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Bay Area Dave wrote:
> Andy, I'm talking about "paint thinner". Mineral spirits = paint
> thinner. It's used for poly; not shellac. Denatured alcohol for
> shellac, as you mentioned several types.
Yes you are talking about mineral spirits, but the question we have is
*why*.
--
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How long will the stuff last after being mixed by the user? When I use
Zinnser, it should last longer in the can then it takes me to use it up.
I buy by the gallon now, after going through a few quarts. The
dewaxed I picked up recently I got in a quart as I don't think I need
too much of that kind.
dave
Chris Merrill wrote:
> Bay Area Dave wrote:
>
>> all the prep hassle it appears to be. If you find it's not as hard as
>> advertised then I defer to your experience! (and you've still got that
>> 3-4 hours cook time...)
>
>
> If you need it "right now" then it is not convenient.
>
> When I'm working on a medium-large project, I mix up a batch when I'm
> starting the final assembly. It takes about 3 minutes to measure & mix the
> alcohol and flakes. Then I shake it 2-3 times per day and it's ready in a
> few days.
>
> If you shake it every 5 minutes, it should be dissolved in about an hour.
> Note: I've never bothered to grind the flakes into powder -- it _may_
> be possible to get it ready even quicker, that way.
>
> YMMV
>
Isopropyl will take longer to dissolve the shellac and is very
hygroscopic (absorbs water from the air). It won't be anhydrous for long
in a humid environment.
I am very happy with the denatured alcohol from
woodfinishingsupplies.com. In addition to the very mild odor (not
significantly worse than pure ethanol), the gallon I bought came in four
very nice plastic quart bottles, making it easy to handle, measure & pour.
http://www.woodfinishingsupplies.com/shellac_a.htm
No connection other than a happy customer.
Martin
Bay Area Dave wrote:
> MY antics? Ok, then how about morons who ask, "why do you sand
> shellac?". How did he slip under your omnipresent, discerning eye? eh?
In the original thread the benefits of using dewaxed shellac verses waxed
shellac was being discussed. You piped in that (dewaxed) "supposedly easier
to sand...".
Although this was the first time I've ever seen a finish's ability to be
sanded used as a criteria for selection and use, let's discuss a number of
different processes:
1. Sanding a finish to provide a tooth - This is done with reactive film
finishes to allow better adhesion of subsequent applications. Shellac is an
evaporative finish. With an evaporative finish a subsequent application
will meld into the previous one. Shellac does not require sanding between
coats.
2. Using a sanding sealer - Sanding sealers, shellac included, are used to
bind and support wood fibers to allow the sanding of certain woods to a
smooth finish. Note that it is the wood that is being sanded not the
support media.
3. Rubbing out a finish - The use of various fine abrasives to achieve a
desired effect in a final coat of finish. Note that this process is
normally referred to as "rubbing out" not "sanding".
4. Sanding a finish off - the act of removing a finish, usually
accomplished by the use of sandpaper and a sander.
You've already provided enough information for me to determine which of
these you do, but I still question why.
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George wrote:
> 5. "Leveling," used to remove the careless drip or overlap.
It's generally better to use a razor blade as a scraper to remove drips.
Because of the solvent properties of shellac, properly applied, lap make
shouldn't occur.
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Buffalo, NY - USA
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George wrote:
> 6. "Dewhiskering," used to return a spit-coated piece of wood to smooth,
> after the fibers carelessly left compressed rise when saturated.
See #2.
> > 2. Using a sanding sealer - Sanding sealers, shellac included, are used to
> > bind and support wood fibers to allow the sanding of certain woods to a
> > smooth finish. Note that it is the wood that is being sanded not the
> > support media.
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Buffalo, NY - USA
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B a r r y B u r k e J r . wrote:
> On Thu, 06 Nov 2003 19:08:39 GMT, [email protected] (Ken Muldrew)
> wrote:
>
>> Me, I just get in my car and go to the furniture
>> store and buy it. No prep hassle at all.
>>
>> Ken Muldrew
>
>
> When was the last time a house guest exclaimed "You MADE that?" to
> you? <G>
>
> I rest my case.
Over the years I've gotten more "You made THAT??" than "You MADE that?"
exclaimations. <g>
- My tub to shower conversion, chunk of bicycle inner tube, garden hose
piece, lawn sprinkler, clamps, electricians tape. It worked the whole 6
months we lived in the apartment.
- A business office closed & I got two 3' x 6' desks. The unwarped
desktop became my 3'x5' drafting table. (1) The two sets of drawers from
each got screwed together & castors on the bottom to make two 4-drawer roll
arounds. One is in my office & the other in the shop.
- To save floor space in my home office, a bookcase screwed into the wall
4' off the floor.
- Single-shelf bookshelves made with a back and sides whose sides are
simply screwed to a large bookshelf.
"Make-do engineering."
There are several pieces around the house I'm proud of (for the skills I had
at the time <g>) But there are a lot of useful things around the house ("NOT
in the living room!" - SWMBO) that are cutoffs, butt joints & drywall
screws. After I made my router table it's now cuttoffs, rabbets & drywall
screws.
Everyone always posts such nice work in a.b.p.w. Maybe I'll post a sense of
humor tester... ;-)
-- Mark
(1) Nothing to shake your head about with a tilting top drafting table,
UNLESS it's Rube-Goldberged to a computer table in such a way as no
additional holes had to be drilled in the computer table. Which it is.
With nearly matched scrap pieces on each end...
Bay Area Dave <[email protected]> wrote:
>:) Well, the way I figured it is by reading books on the preparation
>method, and on folks' comments here! They have to crush, heat, wait,
>wait some more, stir, wait, strain, and then they have shellac. OR they
>can grab a can, give it a few shakes if it's waxed, pop the lid and pour
>some into a working container. I haven't brewed my own yet, because of
>all the prep hassle it appears to be. If you find it's not as hard as
>advertised then I defer to your experience! (and you've still got that
>3-4 hours cook time...)
Hah! You wouldn't believe some of the saps on this newsgroup. They buy
wood, square it, thickness it, cut it, smooth it, join pieces
together, and more! Me, I just get in my car and go to the furniture
store and buy it. No prep hassle at all.
Ken Muldrew
[email protected]
(remove all letters after y in the alphabet)
Bay Area Dave <[email protected]> wrote:
>Ken, I do all that stuff, so don't preach to the choir.
My only point was that while preparation can sometimes be a hassle, it
is more often the whole enchilada for recreational woodworkers.
Ken Muldrew
[email protected]
(remove all letters after y in the alphabet)
Conan The Librarian <[email protected]> wrote:
> Not to speak for Ken, but it seems he's saying that it's part of the
>whole process. And if we don't enjoy the process, then maybe we should
>just buy our stuff at the store and consider another hobby.
What he said.
I know that irony can be a bit hard to spot in ascii, but surely when
someone says that they "just buy furniture" in a woodworking group
they don't need to add a smiley.
:-)
Ken Muldrew
[email protected]
(remove all letters after y in the alphabet)
5. "Leveling," used to remove the careless drip or overlap.
"Nova" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
>
> Although this was the first time I've ever seen a finish's ability to be
> sanded used as a criteria for selection and use, let's discuss a number of
> different processes:
>
> 1. Sanding a finish to provide a tooth - This is done with reactive film
> finishes to allow better adhesion of subsequent applications. Shellac is
an
> evaporative finish. With an evaporative finish a subsequent application
> will meld into the previous one. Shellac does not require sanding between
> coats.
>
> 2. Using a sanding sealer - Sanding sealers, shellac included, are used to
> bind and support wood fibers to allow the sanding of certain woods to a
> smooth finish. Note that it is the wood that is being sanded not the
> support media.
>
> 3. Rubbing out a finish - The use of various fine abrasives to achieve a
> desired effect in a final coat of finish. Note that this process is
> normally referred to as "rubbing out" not "sanding".
>
> 4. Sanding a finish off - the act of removing a finish, usually
> accomplished by the use of sandpaper and a sander.
>
> You've already provided enough information for me to determine which of
> these you do, but I still question why.
6. "Dewhiskering," used to return a spit-coated piece of wood to smooth,
after the fibers carelessly left compressed rise when saturated.
"Nova" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
>
> Although this was the first time I've ever seen a finish's ability to be
> sanded used as a criteria for selection and use, let's discuss a number of
> different processes:
>
> 1. Sanding a finish to provide a tooth - This is done with reactive film
> finishes to allow better adhesion of subsequent applications. Shellac is
an
> evaporative finish. With an evaporative finish a subsequent application
> will meld into the previous one. Shellac does not require sanding between
> coats.
>
> 2. Using a sanding sealer - Sanding sealers, shellac included, are used to
> bind and support wood fibers to allow the sanding of certain woods to a
> smooth finish. Note that it is the wood that is being sanded not the
> support media.
>
> 3. Rubbing out a finish - The use of various fine abrasives to achieve a
> desired effect in a final coat of finish. Note that this process is
> normally referred to as "rubbing out" not "sanding".
>
> 4. Sanding a finish off - the act of removing a finish, usually
> accomplished by the use of sandpaper and a sander.
>
Bay Area Dave wrote:
> How long will the stuff last after being mixed by the user? When I use
I've read varying accounts. IIRC, Flexner says 6 months after mixing.
I think the package of flakes had a different recommendation...but can't
remember what it was. I only mix it up as I need it (8-16oz at a time),
so I've never had any last more than a few months.
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Ken, I do all that stuff, so don't preach to the choir.
Ken Muldrew wrote:
> Bay Area Dave <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>
>>:) Well, the way I figured it is by reading books on the preparation
>>method, and on folks' comments here! They have to crush, heat, wait,
>>wait some more, stir, wait, strain, and then they have shellac. OR they
>>can grab a can, give it a few shakes if it's waxed, pop the lid and pour
>>some into a working container. I haven't brewed my own yet, because of
>>all the prep hassle it appears to be. If you find it's not as hard as
>>advertised then I defer to your experience! (and you've still got that
>>3-4 hours cook time...)
>
>
> Hah! You wouldn't believe some of the saps on this newsgroup. They buy
> wood, square it, thickness it, cut it, smooth it, join pieces
> together, and more! Me, I just get in my car and go to the furniture
> store and buy it. No prep hassle at all.
>
> Ken Muldrew
> [email protected]
> (remove all letters after y in the alphabet)
Bay Area Dave <[email protected]> wrote in message news:<[email protected]>...
> Yes, it will look cloudy. that's the wax. if you leave the can
> undisturbed for a couple - 3 days and carefully decant it, you basically
> get dewaxed shellac! OR you can make your own (PITA),
How do you figure that? When I am in the final stages of a
project, I always make up a fresh batch. All it takes is a little
kitchen scale and a measuring cup (and I'm anal about it compared to
some folks). 1 cup of alcohol to 1 ounce of shellac flakes equals a 1
lb. cut. Adjust as necessary to make the amount and cut you want. (I
usually use a 1-1/2# cut for brushing.)
Recipe for "instant" shellac: Put your alcohol in a glass jar.
Take your flakes and grind them up in a coffeee grinder or wrap them
in t-shirt material and pound them to pulverize the flakes. Sprinkle
the flakes into the jar and give them a good stir. Close the jar and
set it aside. In the meantime, run some hot water in the kitchen sink
and fill a bucket partway (just enough to go up the sides of your
shellac jar to about even with the shellac level inside). Set your
shellac jar in said bucket of hot water and give flakes another stir.
Go back to work on your project and every so often give the shellac
a stir and maybe change the water as it cools. (Be careful not to get
water into your shellac jar.) When the shellac has dissolved, I like
to strain it through cheesecloth to remove any impurities that might
be in there (but with Paddy's super-blonde, there are very few), but
I'm anal about it.
Total prep time: 10 minutes. Total cooking time: 3-4 hours. Fat
content: 0 grams.
Chuck Vance
Just say (tmPL) Shellac: It's not just a furniture finish, it's
a dessert topping.
Bay Area Dave <[email protected]> wrote in message news:<[email protected]>...
> :) Well, the way I figured it is by reading books on the preparation
> method, and on folks' comments here! They have to crush, heat, wait,
> wait some more, stir, wait, strain, and then they have shellac. OR they
> can grab a can, give it a few shakes if it's waxed, pop the lid and pour
> some into a working container. I haven't brewed my own yet, because of
> all the prep hassle it appears to be. If you find it's not as hard as
> advertised then I defer to your experience! (and you've still got that
> 3-4 hours cook time...)
OK, let's look at this more closely. You've spent days, weeks or
months on a particular project. You've spent hours on the design,
chosen your wood carefully, dimensioned it all precisely, surfaced it
to baby's butt smoothness and done all the joinery so it fits
perfectly.
Now you're telling me that in order to get some shellac that you
know is fresh, de-waxed and the proper cut, it's too much of a hassle
to take some flakes, stir them in a solution of alcohol and wait
overnight?
Uh ... yeah ... OK ...
Chuck Vance
Andy Dingley <[email protected]> wrote in message news:<[email protected]>...
[Sorry to piggyback here, but Trent's stuff doesn't always show up
on my newsreader.]
> On Fri, 07 Nov 2003 19:54:10 -0500, Trent© <[email protected]>
> wrote:
>
> >Do you cut down your own trees, too?...rip and dry your own wood? lol
Well, I haven't cut any trees down, but I've got several mesquite
short-logs that I dried out and I cut up into slabs as I need them for
various projects. A woman at work was bringing down a beautiful old
tree that was getting to be a hazard, and she let me know about it.
Unfortunately, the chainsaw guys cut it up into lengths no longer than
4'. But it was a huge old tree:
http://www.swt.edu/~cv01/logs1.jpg
http://www.swt.edu/~cv01/logs2.jpg
Mesquite has gotten to be a "boutique wood" down here, and it's
d*mn*d expensive. It's also nearly impossible to find thicker than
4/4. So I jumped at the chance to get some slabs for myself. I've
gotten some pretty good exercise ripping and dimensioning these boards
by hand, but they've made for a couple of nice additions for the home:
http://www.swt.edu/~cv01/mesquitable02.jpg
http://www.swt.edu/~cv01/meslamp02.jpg
Chuck Vance
Just say (tmPL) Yes, I used *quality* handplanes extensively on
those projects. :-)
reminds me of using airplane dope. Whew! gave me a headache.
dave
Silvan wrote:
> B a r r y B u r k e J r . wrote:
>
>
>>FWIW, the alcohols I buy from the BORGs really dosen't smell bad to
>>me. Am I used to it, or did Silvan just get some weird, stinky stuff?
>
>
> I might just be sensitive to it. It's not really "stinky" like a fart is
> stinky. It's just seriously overpowering.
>
> Maybe it's just what you're used to. I grew up doing models with those old
> Testors enamels in a closed bedroom. Lots of mineral spirits, not very
> much alcohol. Maybe I burned out my mineral spirits smell receptors. :)
>
Bay Area Dave <[email protected]> wrote in message news:<[email protected]>...
> If you followed the thread more carefully, you would see it wasn't
> "nonsense". Silvan made a comment, followed by Andy about spirits. I
> then mentioned that you can get low odor mineral spirits. Do you think
> I don't know that alcohol is used in shellac?
He may have, but judging from your previous antics, what could one
presume you might know or not know?
But clearly you did not know that when Andy referred to "methylated
spirits," he was employing the Queen's English in describing what we
call "denatured alcohol." When you, in your typical slap-dash,
shoddy, fishy, atrocious, shameful, capricious, cavalier, obtuse,
idiotic, ill-conceived, brain-dead, embarrassing, egregious, juvenile,
provincial, sloppy, weak, flimsy, dubious, cockamamie, half-baked,
puzzling, amateurish understanding of woodworking, assumed Andy was
talking about mineral spirits (paint thinner), you blubbered about
how, "for a little extra, HD sells a "low odor" mineral spirits. "
That was an ignorant non-sequiter at best. Your casual treatment of
the most basic woodworking terms is just a little disturbing, dude.
>
> stick to WW issues with me or talk to the hand.
I think you left off the suffix, "-job," from this lame rejoinder.
O'Deen
Steve,
Yes, it will look cloudy. that's the wax. if you leave the can
undisturbed for a couple - 3 days and carefully decant it, you basically
get dewaxed shellac! OR you can make your own (PITA), OR you can buy
Zinnser's Seal Coat, which is dewaxed. A quart is about $8-9 where I
buy it at ICP.
dave
Steve James wrote:
> I just finished the fir base for a new workbench I'm building with
> commercial Zinsser Bulls Eye Shellac (Clear). I was surprised when I
> open the can because it looked like milk - a white suspension. I'm not
> sure if this is wax (I thought clear Shellacs were dewaxed) or if the
> stuff was spoiled in some way. The manufactured date on the bottom of
> the can is 8-18-03 so it is pretty fresh stuff. I let a few drops of it
> dry on the can lid as an experiment and it gave a hard film after drying
> overnight but VERY cloudy. I tried warming the stuff by putting the
> closed can in some hot water for a while. No change - none of the
> suspended solids appeared to dissolve. So I diluted part of it from a 3
> lb cut to a 1 lb cut, and filtered it though a coffee filter. Very slow
> to filter but it gave a nice amber solution which was just slightly
> cloudy. The filter contained lots of white solids. I use the filtered
> stuff to finish the base. Put on one coat and let it dry overnight and
> sanded smooth with 220, then put on two more coats without any
> additional sanding. The results are quite nice - the wood is slightly
> darker and has a nice somewhat glossy clear surface. I mainly did this
> to put a water vapor barrier on the base to minimize wood movement due
> to humidity change. I don't think I would have gotten this nice
> appearance if I'd used the stuff out of the can. Is this par for the
> course with premixed Shellac or did I get some bad stuff? Are the
> white solids wax or something else?
>
> In the future I plan to mix up my own Shellac and hopefully avoid these
> problems. Can anyone recommend a good source for dewaxed Shellac
> flakes?
>
Silvan wrote:
> My biggest complaint was the smell. It makes poly/mineral spirits smell
> like sweet candy by comparison. I was totally unprepared for just how
Must be a smell that is specific to different people. I mix my shellac
with denatured alcohol (from HD) and strongly prefer the smell over
mineral spirits. It brings to mind fond memories from college :>
--
************************************
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[email protected]
(remove the ZZZ to contact me)
************************************
If you followed the thread more carefully, you would see it wasn't
"nonsense". Silvan made a comment, followed by Andy about spirits. I
then mentioned that you can get low odor mineral spirits. Do you think
I don't know that alcohol is used in shellac? Christ almighty! You
just enjoy trying to make me "wrong" when the issue is your ineptitude!
and you can't spell too well, either! :)
stick to WW issues with me or talk to the hand.
dave
Steve James wrote:
> Bay Area Dave <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>
>>the answer WE have is "read Andy's comments preceding mine". I believe
>>he is in the UK. Have you been inhaling MEK again and lost the last few
>>billion of your brain cells? I can't believe you have asked 3 of the
>>stupidest ever questions in the last 24 hours. You are a real prize, my
>>friend.
>>
>>dave
>
>
> Dave, I made the post that originated this thread and I too cannot
> understand why you made a post about mineral spirits (aliphatic
> hydrocarbon paint thinner) in a thread about shellac. Mineral spirits
> are a nonsolvent for shellac. And what's with the hostile response to
> someone asking you to explain a nonsensicle post?
Chuck,
just talking about the "relative" delay of making it vs opening a can.
I can do some projects in a few hours and want to finish them with
shellac on the spot. Pop open the can, wipe or brush it on. let it dry.
Other projects from start to finish takes months. granted. but not
always. work with me a little on this one. I'm not saying I'll never
use flakes, as I can see a legitimate need. Just don't discount the
"need" for quick and easy too. Deal?
dave
Conan the Librarian wrote:
> Bay Area Dave <[email protected]> wrote in message news:<[email protected]>...
>
>
>>:) Well, the way I figured it is by reading books on the preparation
>>method, and on folks' comments here! They have to crush, heat, wait,
>>wait some more, stir, wait, strain, and then they have shellac. OR they
>>can grab a can, give it a few shakes if it's waxed, pop the lid and pour
>>some into a working container. I haven't brewed my own yet, because of
>>all the prep hassle it appears to be. If you find it's not as hard as
>>advertised then I defer to your experience! (and you've still got that
>>3-4 hours cook time...)
>
>
> OK, let's look at this more closely. You've spent days, weeks or
> months on a particular project. You've spent hours on the design,
> chosen your wood carefully, dimensioned it all precisely, surfaced it
> to baby's butt smoothness and done all the joinery so it fits
> perfectly.
>
> Now you're telling me that in order to get some shellac that you
> know is fresh, de-waxed and the proper cut, it's too much of a hassle
> to take some flakes, stir them in a solution of alcohol and wait
> overnight?
>
> Uh ... yeah ... OK ...
>
>
> Chuck Vance
Bay Area Dave wrote:
> all the prep hassle it appears to be. If you find it's not as hard as
> advertised then I defer to your experience! (and you've still got that
> 3-4 hours cook time...)
If you need it "right now" then it is not convenient.
When I'm working on a medium-large project, I mix up a batch when I'm
starting the final assembly. It takes about 3 minutes to measure & mix the
alcohol and flakes. Then I shake it 2-3 times per day and it's ready in a
few days.
If you shake it every 5 minutes, it should be dissolved in about an hour.
Note: I've never bothered to grind the flakes into powder -- it _may_
be possible to get it ready even quicker, that way.
YMMV
--
************************************
Chris Merrill
[email protected]
(remove the ZZZ to contact me)
************************************
http://www.shellac.net/
Steve James wrote:
> I just finished the fir base for a new workbench I'm building with
> commercial Zinsser Bulls Eye Shellac (Clear). I was surprised when I
> open the can because it looked like milk - a white suspension. I'm not
> sure if this is wax (I thought clear Shellacs were dewaxed) or if the
> stuff was spoiled in some way. The manufactured date on the bottom of
> the can is 8-18-03 so it is pretty fresh stuff. I let a few drops of it
> dry on the can lid as an experiment and it gave a hard film after drying
> overnight but VERY cloudy. I tried warming the stuff by putting the
> closed can in some hot water for a while. No change - none of the
> suspended solids appeared to dissolve. So I diluted part of it from a 3
> lb cut to a 1 lb cut, and filtered it though a coffee filter. Very slow
> to filter but it gave a nice amber solution which was just slightly
> cloudy. The filter contained lots of white solids. I use the filtered
> stuff to finish the base. Put on one coat and let it dry overnight and
> sanded smooth with 220, then put on two more coats without any
> additional sanding. The results are quite nice - the wood is slightly
> darker and has a nice somewhat glossy clear surface. I mainly did this
> to put a water vapor barrier on the base to minimize wood movement due
> to humidity change. I don't think I would have gotten this nice
> appearance if I'd used the stuff out of the can. Is this par for the
> course with premixed Shellac or did I get some bad stuff? Are the
> white solids wax or something else?
>
> In the future I plan to mix up my own Shellac and hopefully avoid these
> problems. Can anyone recommend a good source for dewaxed Shellac
> flakes?
>
"Bob N" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> Thanks, Paddy. Perhaps the best product Microsoft has is the
newsgroup filter in OE,
> which prevents DavetheTroll from polluting my newsgroup window, but
seeing his spew in the
> context of your expert ripostes *is* rather amusing.
>
> Does anyone know if this Dave guy has actually made anything out of
wood?
>
He made a drawer once but forgot the bottom.
MY antics? Ok, then how about morons who ask, "why do you sand
shellac?". How did he slip under your omnipresent, discerning eye? eh?
Your initials sum up your 'tude: P.O.
dave
Patrick Olguin wrote:
snip
>
>
> He may have, but judging from your previous antics, what could one
> presume you might know or not know?
snip
On 05 Nov 2003, Bay Area Dave spake unto rec.woodworking:
> How long will the stuff last after being mixed by the user? When I
> use Zinnser, it should last longer in the can then it takes me to use
> it up.
> I buy by the gallon now, after going through a few quarts. The
> dewaxed I picked up recently I got in a quart as I don't think I need
> too much of that kind.
Gesundheit.
just when I thought I was running out of plonking material, up pops
useless Bob! somebody tell him I plonked him as well. thanks.
and of course I've never made anything from wood! I promise to save all
the wood at the lumberyard for him.
oh, I almost forgot; he'll feel bad if I leave out "Bite me, Bob!".
there; that should about cover it...
dave
Bob N wrote:
> Thanks, Paddy. Perhaps the best product Microsoft has is the newsgroup filter in OE,
> which prevents DavetheTroll from polluting my newsgroup window, but seeing his spew in the
> context of your expert ripostes *is* rather amusing.
>
> Does anyone know if this Dave guy has actually made anything out of wood?
>
>
as much as THIS is off-topic I presumed one was allowed to discuss
mineral spirits even in a "shellacking" thread, in keeping with a
longstanding Wreck tradition of going OT.
You are one cranky sonofabitch, I'll give you that.
Bite me!
dave
Patrick Olguin wrote:
> Bay Area Dave <[email protected]> wrote in message news:<[email protected]>...
>
>>If you followed the thread more carefully, you would see it wasn't
>>"nonsense". Silvan made a comment, followed by Andy about spirits. I
>>then mentioned that you can get low odor mineral spirits. Do you think
>>I don't know that alcohol is used in shellac?
>
>
> He may have, but judging from your previous antics, what could one
> presume you might know or not know?
>
> But clearly you did not know that when Andy referred to "methylated
> spirits," he was employing the Queen's English in describing what we
> call "denatured alcohol." When you, in your typical slap-dash,
> shoddy, fishy, atrocious, shameful, capricious, cavalier, obtuse,
> idiotic, ill-conceived, brain-dead, embarrassing, egregious, juvenile,
> provincial, sloppy, weak, flimsy, dubious, cockamamie, half-baked,
> puzzling, amateurish understanding of woodworking, assumed Andy was
> talking about mineral spirits (paint thinner), you blubbered about
> how, "for a little extra, HD sells a "low odor" mineral spirits. "
>
> That was an ignorant non-sequiter at best. Your casual treatment of
> the most basic woodworking terms is just a little disturbing, dude.
>
>>stick to WW issues with me or talk to the hand.
>
>
> I think you left off the suffix, "-job," from this lame rejoinder.
>
> O'Deen
On Fri, 7 Nov 2003 17:29:42 -0500, "George"
<[email protected]> wrote:
>Personally, I leave the shop for other pursuits after the second awshit.
Same here. By then, I figure I'm frustrated enough to keep making
mistakes and frankly, I like my fingers where they are.
In article <[email protected]>, Trent©
<[email protected]> wrote:
> But you DO watch out for his posts. lol
>
> Let him alone...go on with your life. If you don't like his
> posts...don't READ them.
>
> Kill file him...and move on!
Ah, but if they did that they wouldn't be the Old Guard, the Keepers of
The Wreck.
djb
--
There are no socks in my email address.
"Quando Omni Flunkus Moritati"
Fri, Nov 7, 2003, 6:56pm (EST+5) [email protected] (Bay=A0Area=A0Dave)
responds with:
<snip> Bite me!
Ooooo Dave, your're so eloquent.
Go O'Deen. ROTFLMAO
JOAT
My aim is to get through life peacefully, with as little interferrnce
from human beings as possible.
Life just ain't life without good music. - JOAT
Web Page Update 7 Nov 2003.
Some tunes I like.
http://community-2.webtv.net/Jakofalltrades/SOMETUNESILIKE/
"Unisaw A100" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> Bad monkey.
Yeah, somebody spank that monkey - No! Wait! I mean . . . .
Personally, I leave the shop for other pursuits after the second awshit.
I believe such a policy, along with my zero tolerance of activity after
alcohol keeps my fingers firmly attached to my palms.
"Bay Area Dave" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> I don't want to use large words, or I'll have to explain them to you.
>
> Is today Friday the 13th by any chance? Just kidding. I've made more
> mistakes in the shop today than all the mistakes in there during the
> past year.
Or reply loftily to those who disagree with _your_ evaluation of it.
"Doug Miller" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:O7rrb.8500$P%[email protected]...
> In article <[email protected]>, Mark
<[email protected]> wrote:
> >Doug Miller wrote:
> >> [sob story elided]
> >>
> >> Would you like some cheese to go with that whine?
> >> Was there some reason you thought the rest of the world would be
interested?
> >
> >Oh My, an antisocial.
> >
> You must be new here, and hence unfamiliar with Big BAD Dave's unfortunate
> compulsion to post every detail of his many trials and tribulations, under
the
> apparent assumption that the rest of us benighted miscreants have nothing
> better to do than to hang on his every word.
On 10 Nov 2003 23:16:31 -0600, "Henry St.Pierre" <[email protected]>
wrote:
>> Fighting for peace is like screwing for virginity!
>>
>
>Yo Trent,
> Have you ever fought for anything?
>Just wondering.
>Hank
Yup.
Have a nice week...
Trent
Fighting for peace is like screwing for virginity!
On Sun, 09 Nov 2003 13:17:34 GMT, [email protected] (Doug Miller)
wrote:
>In article <[email protected]>, Mark <[email protected]> wrote:
>>Doug Miller wrote:
>>> [sob story elided]
>>>
>>> Would you like some cheese to go with that whine?
>>> Was there some reason you thought the rest of the world would be interested?
>>
>>Oh My, an antisocial.
>>
>You must be new here, and hence unfamiliar with Big BAD Dave's unfortunate
>compulsion to post every detail of his many trials and tribulations, under the
>apparent assumption that the rest of us benighted miscreants have nothing
>better to do than to hang on his every word.
But you DO watch out for his posts. lol
Let him alone...go on with your life. If you don't like his
posts...don't READ them.
Kill file him...and move on!
Have a nice week...
Trent
Fighting for peace is like screwing for virginity!
Maybe the viruses are released by Norton, McAfee, et al! <g>
Electronic version of nails on the highway for the tire shops.
dave
solarman wrote:
> I got one too last Friday. funlove.4099 from god only knows where.
> http://housecall.trendmicro.com found it and cleaned it. Norton, Mcafee and
> Fprot all failed miserably... They don't even make you jump through a maze
> of hoops before you can run it either...
>
> "Steve Knight" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> news:[email protected]...
>
>>On Sat, 08 Nov 2003 17:19:17 GMT, Bay Area Dave <[email protected]> wrote:
>>
>>
>>>Bummer, Steve. To top off my day from hell, I got a virus on my pc. A
>>>few quick checks of the symptoms led me to the name of it and a download
>>
>>>from Norton fixed her up...uh, and 45 minutes of my time. <g>
>>
>>>Did you get yours working again or are you posting from another pc?
>>>
>>
>>shame on you on the virus. for awhile I was getting 700 a day. but I have
>
> only
>
>>gotten one or two in all the years on the computer.
>> using my kids PC hope mine is fixed today.
>
>
>
Hey, Trent, isn't it amazing the number of vitrolic posts I engender,
when all those miscreants need to do (oops, I think I vowed to call the
"knuckle draggers" from now on...) is give me a few well placed plonks?
Tell them I had toast and bacon for breakfast. 2 pieces. of each.
dave
Trent© wrote:
> On Sun, 09 Nov 2003 13:17:34 GMT, [email protected] (Doug Miller)
> wrote:
>
>
>>In article <[email protected]>, Mark <[email protected]> wrote:
>>
>>>Doug Miller wrote:
>>>
>>>>[sob story elided]
>>>>
>>>>Would you like some cheese to go with that whine?
>>>>Was there some reason you thought the rest of the world would be interested?
>>>
>>>Oh My, an antisocial.
>>>
>>
>>You must be new here, and hence unfamiliar with Big BAD Dave's unfortunate
>>compulsion to post every detail of his many trials and tribulations, under the
>>apparent assumption that the rest of us benighted miscreants have nothing
>>better to do than to hang on his every word.
>
>
> But you DO watch out for his posts. lol
>
> Let him alone...go on with your life. If you don't like his
> posts...don't READ them.
>
> Kill file him...and move on!
>
>
> Have a nice week...
>
> Trent
>
> Fighting for peace is like screwing for virginity!
I sometime enjoy a beer AFTER my shop closes for the day. No way I'm
gonna down a brewski and then go near fast spinning carbide.
dave
George wrote:
> Personally, I leave the shop for other pursuits after the second awshit.
>
> I believe such a policy, along with my zero tolerance of activity after
> alcohol keeps my fingers firmly attached to my palms.
>
> "Bay Area Dave" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> news:[email protected]...
>
>>I don't want to use large words, or I'll have to explain them to you.
>>
>>Is today Friday the 13th by any chance? Just kidding. I've made more
>>mistakes in the shop today than all the mistakes in there during the
>>past year.
>
>
>
Doug Miller wrote:
> [sob story elided]
>
> Would you like some cheese to go with that whine?
> Was there some reason you thought the rest of the world would be interested?
Oh My, an antisocial.
--
--
Mark
N.E. Ohio
Never argue with a fool, a bystander can't tell you apart. (S. Clemens,
A.K.A. Mark Twain)
When in doubt hit the throttle. It may not help but it sure ends the
suspense. (Gaz, r.moto)
ANY day that I read anything from you is a VERY BAD DAY. But after a
moment's reflection, you actually brighten my day because I rejoice in
the knowledge that I'm not YOU.
Thanks for sharing.
dave
Scott Lurndal wrote:
> Bay Area Dave <[email protected]> writes:
>
>>I don't want to use large words, or I'll have to explain them to you.
>
>
> [[ long list of lunacy elided ]]
>
>
>>I'm gonna go back out there and ride the horse that threw me. Later.
>
>
> Dave, everyone has bad days. What makes you think anyone wants to hear
> about yours? I suppose you also watch daytime talk shows so you can wallow
> in the troubles of the other idiots...
>
> scott
> (looking forward to getting plonked, now.)
In article <[email protected]>, Mark <[email protected]> wrote:
>Doug Miller wrote:
>> [sob story elided]
>>
>> Would you like some cheese to go with that whine?
>> Was there some reason you thought the rest of the world would be interested?
>
>Oh My, an antisocial.
>
You must be new here, and hence unfamiliar with Big BAD Dave's unfortunate
compulsion to post every detail of his many trials and tribulations, under the
apparent assumption that the rest of us benighted miscreants have nothing
better to do than to hang on his every word.
I don't want to use large words, or I'll have to explain them to you.
Is today Friday the 13th by any chance? Just kidding. I've made more
mistakes in the shop today than all the mistakes in there during the
past year.
1. I cut an oak 1x3 a half inch too short to remove the discolored wood
around a knot. I could have used it with the discoloration at the end;
so there goes another trip to the TS for ripping another piece, then
jointing, rip to width, surface planing. Wheee!
2. Next screw up is cutting a 4x8 sheet of 1/4 oak ply. I knew that
the grain had to be oriented in the long direction for the first two
pieces. I cut across the 4x side and then I cut down the middle to
yield two pieces about 23 7/8 by 19. then I realized the grain is going
the wrong way. toss that aside and cut 2 more pieces correctly, this time.
3. Just a few minutes ago I marked a board for biscuits and deftly cut
them on the edge of the board instead of the face where they needed to
be. Now it's back to the wood pile for a 5/4 oak board to crosscut,
joint, rip, joint face, surface plane, run through the router to make
the stile cut AND run over the molding head to put the bead detail on.
That was my biggest time wasting screw up so far.
4. I know I did something else stupid out there too, but I already
forgot the sad details.
Like I said, it's just ONE OF THOSE DAYS!
I know all you bashers out there are jumping with glee at my little
misfortune. I look forward to all your petty, demeaning remarks. That
way I feel better about myself for not being YOU! (Now, JOAT, I'm not
referring to you, I'm directing this to the miscreants.)
I'm gonna go back out there and ride the horse that threw me. Later.
dave
T. wrote:
> Fri, Nov 7, 2003, 6:56pm (EST+5) [email protected] (Bay Area Dave)
> responds with:
> <snip> Bite me!
>
> Ooooo Dave, your're so eloquent.
>
> Go O'Deen. ROTFLMAO
>
> JOAT
> My aim is to get through life peacefully, with as little interferrnce
> from human beings as possible.
>
> Life just ain't life without good music. - JOAT
> Web Page Update 7 Nov 2003.
> Some tunes I like.
> http://community-2.webtv.net/Jakofalltrades/SOMETUNESILIKE/
>
ever watch Sledgehammer?
dave
T. wrote:
> Fri, Nov 7, 2003, 9:57pm (EST+5) [email protected] (Bay Area Dave)
> claims:
> I don't want to use large words, or I'll have to explain them to you.
> <snip> I'm directing this to the miscreants. <snip>
>
> I've seen you use the word miscreants before. You don't even know
> what it means, do you?
>
> JOAT
> My aim is to get through life peacefully, with as little interferrnce
> from human beings as possible.
>
> Life just ain't life without good music. - JOAT
> Web Page Update 7 Nov 2003.
> Some tunes I like.
> http://community-2.webtv.net/Jakofalltrades/SOMETUNESILIKE/
>
Fri, Nov 7, 2003, 9:57pm (EST+5) [email protected] (Bay=A0Area=A0Dave)
claims:
I don't want to use large words, or I'll have to explain them to you.
<snip> I'm directing this to the miscreants. <snip>
I've seen you use the word miscreants before. You don't even know
what it means, do you?
JOAT
My aim is to get through life peacefully, with as little interferrnce
from human beings as possible.
Life just ain't life without good music. - JOAT
Web Page Update 7 Nov 2003.
Some tunes I like.
http://community-2.webtv.net/Jakofalltrades/SOMETUNESILIKE/
In article <[email protected]>, Bay Area Dave <[email protected]> wrote:
>I don't want to use large words, or I'll have to explain them to you.
>
>Is today Friday the 13th by any chance? Just kidding. I've made more
>mistakes in the shop today than all the mistakes in there during the
>past year.
>
[sob story elided]
Would you like some cheese to go with that whine?
Was there some reason you thought the rest of the world would be interested?
If I have a superior attitude it would only be in the minds of the
miscreants. The mature gentlemen on the Wreck get my respect and the
miscreants receive my disdain. If I was so superior, why do I post so
many newbie questions? I wouldn't do that if I had to maintain some
illusion of superiority. You slipped out of my filters a while back when
I had a Netscape meltdown. I'll leave you out (like you care one way or
the other!) for NOW. Let's see if you are mature or a miscreant.
dave
Phil Crow wrote:
> Bay Area Dave <[email protected]> wrote in message news:<[email protected]>...
>
>
>>I don't want to use large words, or I'll have to explain them to you.
>
> Snip
>
> WTF, Dave? I seem to recall an argument over an eclipse or ellipse or
> whatever it was not so long ago.
>
> Like my drill instructor said, "You damn well better have your shit
> wired tight before you start in on somebody else's!"
>
> That and your superior attitude are reasons that you get roundly
> flamed with a large portion of your posts, Dave. You insult almost
> the entire group, and then regale us with the story of your day like
> we're your drinking buddies.
>
> What's it gonna be, Bay Area Dave? Are we just a group of illiterate
> A-holes or are we your peers or even--dare I say it--friends?
>
> I eagerly await your reply.
> With, uh, baited breath.
>
> -Phil Crow
Trent© <[email protected]> wrote in
news:[email protected]:
> On Sat, 08 Nov 2003 14:22:45 GMT, [email protected] (Doug Miller)
> wrote:
>
>>In article <[email protected]>, Bay Area
>>Dave <[email protected]> wrote:
>>>I don't want to use large words, or I'll have to explain them to you.
>>>
>>>Is today Friday the 13th by any chance? Just kidding. I've made
>>>more mistakes in the shop today than all the mistakes in there during
>>>the past year.
>>>
>>[sob story elided]
>>
>>Would you like some cheese to go with that whine?
>>Was there some reason you thought the rest of the world would be
>>interested?
>
> Obviously...someone WAS! lol
>
>
> Have a nice week...
>
> Trent
>
> Fighting for peace is like screwing for virginity!
>
Yo Trent,
Have you ever fought for anything?
Just wondering.
Hank
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Bay Area Dave <[email protected]> writes:
>I don't want to use large words, or I'll have to explain them to you.
[[ long list of lunacy elided ]]
>I'm gonna go back out there and ride the horse that threw me. Later.
Dave, everyone has bad days. What makes you think anyone wants to hear
about yours? I suppose you also watch daytime talk shows so you can wallow
in the troubles of the other idiots...
scott
(looking forward to getting plonked, now.)
Bay Area Dave <[email protected]> wrote in message news:<[email protected]>...
> I don't want to use large words, or I'll have to explain them to you.
Snip
WTF, Dave? I seem to recall an argument over an eclipse or ellipse or
whatever it was not so long ago.
Like my drill instructor said, "You damn well better have your shit
wired tight before you start in on somebody else's!"
That and your superior attitude are reasons that you get roundly
flamed with a large portion of your posts, Dave. You insult almost
the entire group, and then regale us with the story of your day like
we're your drinking buddies.
What's it gonna be, Bay Area Dave? Are we just a group of illiterate
A-holes or are we your peers or even--dare I say it--friends?
I eagerly await your reply.
With, uh, baited breath.
-Phil Crow
On Sat, 08 Nov 2003 17:19:17 GMT, Bay Area Dave <[email protected]> wrote:
>Bummer, Steve. To top off my day from hell, I got a virus on my pc. A
>few quick checks of the symptoms led me to the name of it and a download
>from Norton fixed her up...uh, and 45 minutes of my time. <g>
>
>Did you get yours working again or are you posting from another pc?
>
shame on you on the virus. for awhile I was getting 700 a day. but I have only
gotten one or two in all the years on the computer.
using my kids PC hope mine is fixed today.
I got one too last Friday. funlove.4099 from god only knows where.
http://housecall.trendmicro.com found it and cleaned it. Norton, Mcafee and
Fprot all failed miserably... They don't even make you jump through a maze
of hoops before you can run it either...
"Steve Knight" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> On Sat, 08 Nov 2003 17:19:17 GMT, Bay Area Dave <[email protected]> wrote:
>
> >Bummer, Steve. To top off my day from hell, I got a virus on my pc. A
> >few quick checks of the symptoms led me to the name of it and a download
> >from Norton fixed her up...uh, and 45 minutes of my time. <g>
> >
> >Did you get yours working again or are you posting from another pc?
> >
>
> shame on you on the virus. for awhile I was getting 700 a day. but I have
only
> gotten one or two in all the years on the computer.
> using my kids PC hope mine is fixed today.
On Sat, 08 Nov 2003 14:22:45 GMT, [email protected] (Doug Miller)
wrote:
>In article <[email protected]>, Bay Area Dave <[email protected]> wrote:
>>I don't want to use large words, or I'll have to explain them to you.
>>
>>Is today Friday the 13th by any chance? Just kidding. I've made more
>>mistakes in the shop today than all the mistakes in there during the
>>past year.
>>
>[sob story elided]
>
>Would you like some cheese to go with that whine?
>Was there some reason you thought the rest of the world would be interested?
Obviously...someone WAS! lol
Have a nice week...
Trent
Fighting for peace is like screwing for virginity!
Bummer, Steve. To top off my day from hell, I got a virus on my pc. A
few quick checks of the symptoms led me to the name of it and a download
from Norton fixed her up...uh, and 45 minutes of my time. <g>
Did you get yours working again or are you posting from another pc?
dave
Steve Knight wrote:
> hell I was late to the shop because my computer was DOA when I got up.
> but I have had those same days.
On Sun, 09 Nov 2003 23:04:43 -0600, Dave Balderstone
<[email protected]> wrote:
>In article <[email protected]>, Trent©
><[email protected]> wrote:
>
>> But you DO watch out for his posts. lol
>>
>> Let him alone...go on with your life. If you don't like his
>> posts...don't READ them.
>>
>> Kill file him...and move on!
>
>Ah, but if they did that they wouldn't be the Old Guard, the Keepers of
>The Wreck.
>
>djb
I've had Doug follow me to other groups...and post troll shit. I know
EXACTLY what kind of keeper he is! lol
Have a nice week...
Trent
Fighting for peace is like screwing for virginity!
On Fri, 07 Nov 2003 21:57:08 GMT, Bay Area Dave <[email protected]>
wrote:
>I don't want to use large words, or I'll have to explain them to you.
>
>Is today Friday the 13th by any chance?
<snip>
No, but there is a lunar eclipse tomorrow night. Coincidence? I think
not. ;-)
:) Well, the way I figured it is by reading books on the preparation
method, and on folks' comments here! They have to crush, heat, wait,
wait some more, stir, wait, strain, and then they have shellac. OR they
can grab a can, give it a few shakes if it's waxed, pop the lid and pour
some into a working container. I haven't brewed my own yet, because of
all the prep hassle it appears to be. If you find it's not as hard as
advertised then I defer to your experience! (and you've still got that
3-4 hours cook time...)
dave
Conan the Librarian wrote:
> Bay Area Dave <[email protected]> wrote in message news:<[email protected]>...
>
>
>>Yes, it will look cloudy. that's the wax. if you leave the can
>>undisturbed for a couple - 3 days and carefully decant it, you basically
>>get dewaxed shellac! OR you can make your own (PITA),
>
>
> How do you figure that? When I am in the final stages of a
> project, I always make up a fresh batch. All it takes is a little
> kitchen scale and a measuring cup (and I'm anal about it compared to
> some folks). 1 cup of alcohol to 1 ounce of shellac flakes equals a 1
> lb. cut. Adjust as necessary to make the amount and cut you want. (I
> usually use a 1-1/2# cut for brushing.)
>
> Recipe for "instant" shellac: Put your alcohol in a glass jar.
> Take your flakes and grind them up in a coffeee grinder or wrap them
> in t-shirt material and pound them to pulverize the flakes. Sprinkle
> the flakes into the jar and give them a good stir. Close the jar and
> set it aside. In the meantime, run some hot water in the kitchen sink
> and fill a bucket partway (just enough to go up the sides of your
> shellac jar to about even with the shellac level inside). Set your
> shellac jar in said bucket of hot water and give flakes another stir.
>
> Go back to work on your project and every so often give the shellac
> a stir and maybe change the water as it cools. (Be careful not to get
> water into your shellac jar.) When the shellac has dissolved, I like
> to strain it through cheesecloth to remove any impurities that might
> be in there (but with Paddy's super-blonde, there are very few), but
> I'm anal about it.
>
> Total prep time: 10 minutes. Total cooking time: 3-4 hours. Fat
> content: 0 grams.
>
>
> Chuck Vance
> Just say (tmPL) Shellac: It's not just a furniture finish, it's
> a dessert topping.
I seem to recall a post saying it is not dewaxed.
www.homesteadfinishing.com and www.woodfinishingsupplies.com also have
flakes. I buy 99% anhydrous Isopropyl at printer supply house.
On Tue, 04 Nov 2003 14:20:30 GMT, The Guy
<[email protected]> wrote:
> In the future I plan to mix up my own Shellac and hopefully avoid these
>> problems. Can anyone recommend a good source for dewaxed Shellac
>> flakes?
Bay Area Dave wrote:
> to which he replied sheepishly, "no that's from Ikea..."
>
> B a r r y B u r k e J r . wrote:
>
>> On Thu, 06 Nov 2003 19:08:39 GMT, [email protected] (Ken Muldrew)
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Me, I just get in my car and go to the furniture
>>> store and buy it. No prep hassle at all.
>>>
>>> Ken Muldrew
>>
>>
>> When was the last time a house guest exclaimed "You MADE that?" to
>> you? <G>
>>
>> I rest my case.
Guys, you may need to have your sarcasm meters calibrated. Ken is a
longtime contributor to the wreck and a woodworker. He was just making
light of the fact that someone who ostensibly woodworks for fun would be
complaining about the "prep hassle" involved in mixing up a finish.
Not to speak for Ken, but it seems he's saying that it's part of the
whole process. And if we don't enjoy the process, then maybe we should
just buy our stuff at the store and consider another hobby.
Hey, I used to *hate* finishing. Ironically, that was when I was
using the pre-mixed junk from a can. Now that I mix my own and can
control the cut, freshness, and method of application, I find that I
look forward to it.
Chuck Vance
On Fri, 07 Nov 2003 07:38:28 -0600, Conan The Librarian <[email protected]>
wrote:
> Hey, I used to *hate* finishing. Ironically, that was when I was
>using the pre-mixed junk from a can. Now that I mix my own and can
>control the cut, freshness, and method of application, I find that I
>look forward to it.
Do you cut down your own trees, too?...rip and dry your own wood? lol
You hafta draw the line somewhere. Everybody has their different line
in the sand.
Have a nice week...
Trent
Fighting for peace is like screwing for virginity!
On Wed, 05 Nov 2003 15:16:34 GMT, Bay Area Dave <[email protected]>
wrote:
>for a little extra, HD sells a "low odor" mineral spirits.
Mineral spirits ? If that's what we call "white spirit" then it's no
use with shellac at all.
Shellac needs methylated spirits (mainly ethanol with some methanol,
and the colour and stench) or some people favour isopropanol
(isopropyl alcohol).
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On Thu, 06 Nov 2003 19:08:39 GMT, [email protected] (Ken Muldrew)
wrote:
> Me, I just get in my car and go to the furniture
>store and buy it. No prep hassle at all.
>
>Ken Muldrew
When was the last time a house guest exclaimed "You MADE that?" to
you? <G>
I rest my case.
Barry
Steve James wrote:
> suspended solids appeared to dissolve. So I diluted part of it from a 3
> lb cut to a 1 lb cut, and filtered it though a coffee filter. Very slow
> to filter but it gave a nice amber solution which was just slightly
> cloudy. The filter contained lots of white solids. I use the filtered
Sounds like wax...IIRC, that's the directions that Flexner gave for
dewaxing shellac.
> Can anyone recommend a good source for dewaxed Shellac
> flakes?
I buy mine from the local Woodcraft store.
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"Bay Area Dave" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> Steve,
>
> Yes, it will look cloudy. that's the wax. if you leave the can
> undisturbed for a couple - 3 days and carefully decant it, you basically
> get dewaxed shellac! OR you can make your own (PITA), OR you can buy
> Zinnser's Seal Coat, which is dewaxed. A quart is about $8-9 where I
> buy it at ICP.
>
> dave
>
> Steve James wrote:
>
> > I just finished the fir base for a new workbench I'm building with
> > commercial Zinsser Bulls Eye Shellac (Clear). I was surprised when I
> > open the can because it looked like milk - a white suspension. I'm not
> > sure if this is wax (I thought clear Shellacs were dewaxed) or if the
> > stuff was spoiled in some way. The manufactured date on the bottom of
> > the can is 8-18-03 so it is pretty fresh stuff. I let a few drops of it
> > dry on the can lid as an experiment and it gave a hard film after drying
> > overnight but VERY cloudy. I tried warming the stuff by putting the
> > closed can in some hot water for a while. No change - none of the
> > suspended solids appeared to dissolve. So I diluted part of it from a 3
> > lb cut to a 1 lb cut, and filtered it though a coffee filter. Very slow
> > to filter but it gave a nice amber solution which was just slightly
> > cloudy. The filter contained lots of white solids. I use the filtered
> > stuff to finish the base. Put on one coat and let it dry overnight and
> > sanded smooth with 220, then put on two more coats without any
> > additional sanding. The results are quite nice - the wood is slightly
> > darker and has a nice somewhat glossy clear surface. I mainly did this
> > to put a water vapor barrier on the base to minimize wood movement due
> > to humidity change. I don't think I would have gotten this nice
> > appearance if I'd used the stuff out of the can. Is this par for the
> > course with premixed Shellac or did I get some bad stuff? Are the
> > white solids wax or something else?
> >
> > In the future I plan to mix up my own Shellac and hopefully avoid these
> > problems. Can anyone recommend a good source for dewaxed Shellac
> > flakes?
> >
>
Printer supply house carry 99% Isopropyl.
On Thu, 6 Nov 2003 07:59:52 -0500, [email protected] (Steve James) wrote:
>Silvan <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>> I'll be coming up with something less noxious when I get around to ordering
>> some flakes. Everclear has been banned here for quite some time. Too many
>> stupid college students killing themselves with it. I'll have to come up
>> with something else, and whatever it is, it damn sure won't be "methylated
>> spirit."
>
>You could look for a source of anhydrous isopropanol. It is a good
>solvent for Shellac if you don't mind the longer drying time. It
>doesn't have to be denatured so you won't have the noxious odor. As
>organic solvents go it is pretty safe, although I would still use good
>ventilation and wear a respirator with charcoal cartridges if you are
>working with it for long.
B a r r y B u r k e J r . wrote:
> FWIW, the alcohols I buy from the BORGs really dosen't smell bad to
> me. Am I used to it, or did Silvan just get some weird, stinky stuff?
I might just be sensitive to it. It's not really "stinky" like a fart is
stinky. It's just seriously overpowering.
Maybe it's just what you're used to. I grew up doing models with those old
Testors enamels in a closed bedroom. Lots of mineral spirits, not very
much alcohol. Maybe I burned out my mineral spirits smell receptors. :)
--
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I used Floquil's paints about 20 years ago and I can't recall the odor.
I do remember being warned about the toxic nature of the solvent, of
which I still have a small can. Xylene is what I was told yesterday is
used in conversion varnish (Sherwin Williams). Do you know if that is
true of most/all C-V?
dave
B a r r y B u r k e J r . wrote:
> On Fri, 07 Nov 2003 05:46:41 GMT, Bay Area Dave <[email protected]>
> wrote:
>
>
>>reminds me of using airplane dope. Whew! gave me a headache.
>>
>>dave
>
>
>
> The best model paint stink / buzz to me was Floquil model railroad
> paint. It's a xylene / lacquer product that smells remarkably like
> Behlens / Mohawk pigment stains.
>
> Barry
No one takes the WW stuff off topic more than the miscreants around
here, of which you are one. Check out the mirror. You've been
confusing me with your pathetic self. Scat.
dave
Steve James wrote:
> Bay Area Dave <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>
>>Christ almighty! You
>>just enjoy trying to make me "wrong" when the issue is your ineptitude!
>> and you can't spell too well, either! :)
>>
>>stick to WW issues with me or talk to the hand.
>
>
> My bad. Your post was nonsensical (not nonsensicle). Please kill file
> me so you won't answer my posts and I won't waste my time responding.
> It has been fascinating to watch you transform in less than a year from
> a newbie poster with enthusiasm and real woodworking questions to an
> obnoxious obsessive poster who is capable of taking almost any post OT
> and offending multiple people. What was fascinating has become
> tiresome. Have a nice life - when you get one.
for a little extra, HD sells a "low odor" mineral spirits. I've never
bought any, but if the price of admission isn't too much extra, I think
I'll give it a try next time. I hate the smell of the regular stuff.
I'd rather smell Zinnser's shellac! :)
dave
Andy Dingley wrote:
> On Wed, 05 Nov 2003 01:36:10 -0500, Silvan
> <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>
>>My biggest complaint was the smell. It makes poly/mineral spirits smell
>>like sweet candy by comparison.
>
>
> I've no idea what you use in the USA, but in the UK our "methylated
> spirit" stinks of pyridine. Horrible stuff, and a really unpleasant
> thing to work with all day. If you can find strong drinking
> alcohol, like Everclear (which we don't have in the UK) then it's a
> lot more pleasant to work with.
>
> Most meths is also dyed purple, which can produce a visible cast in
> white or some blonde shellac. Undyed isn't that hard to find, but
> buying unstenched alcohol generally needs a trade account with a
> chemical supplier.
>
> --
> Die Gotterspammerung - Junkmail of the Gods
the answer WE have is "read Andy's comments preceding mine". I believe
he is in the UK. Have you been inhaling MEK again and lost the last few
billion of your brain cells? I can't believe you have asked 3 of the
stupidest ever questions in the last 24 hours. You are a real prize, my
friend.
dave
Silvan wrote:
> Bay Area Dave wrote:
>
>
>>Andy, I'm talking about "paint thinner". Mineral spirits = paint
>>thinner. It's used for poly; not shellac. Denatured alcohol for
>>shellac, as you mentioned several types.
>
>
> Yes you are talking about mineral spirits, but the question we have is
> *why*.
>
Fri, Nov 7, 2003, 5:51am (EST+5) [email protected] (Bay=A0Area=A0Dave)
says:
<snip> I can't believe you have asked 3 of the stupidest ever questions
in the last 24 hours. <snip>
That statement will probably come back to haunt you.
JOAT
My aim is to get through life peacefully, with as little interferrnce
from human beings as possible.
Life just ain't life without good music. - JOAT
Web Page Update 6 Nov 2003.
Some tunes I like.
http://community-2.webtv.net/Jakofalltrades/SOMETUNESILIKE/
Don't you worry about me, sweetie! He asked "why sand shellac"
followed by 2 equally moronic "statements" in other posts. You endorse
his comments, I take it? that makes you an accessory to stupidity.
dave
T. wrote:
> Fri, Nov 7, 2003, 5:51am (EST+5) [email protected] (Bay Area Dave)
> says:
> <snip> I can't believe you have asked 3 of the stupidest ever questions
> in the last 24 hours. <snip>
>
> That statement will probably come back to haunt you.
>
> JOAT
> My aim is to get through life peacefully, with as little interferrnce
> from human beings as possible.
>
> Life just ain't life without good music. - JOAT
> Web Page Update 6 Nov 2003.
> Some tunes I like.
> http://community-2.webtv.net/Jakofalltrades/SOMETUNESILIKE/
>
On Thu, 06 Nov 2003 10:54:41 -0800, Martin Frankel
<[email protected]> wrote:
>I am very happy with the denatured alcohol from
>woodfinishingsupplies.com. In addition to the very mild odor (not
>significantly worse than pure ethanol),
FWIW, the alcohols I buy from the BORGs really dosen't smell bad to
me. Am I used to it, or did Silvan just get some weird, stinky stuff?
>the gallon I bought came in four
>very nice plastic quart bottles, making it easy to handle, measure & pour.
This is very common in the radio control airplane industry. Quart
bottles are not subject to the same HAZMAT regulations as gallons, so
many mail order joints ship gallons as (4) quarts.
It is handy for users,a nd it seems to keep some chemicals, like
alcohol fresh longer.
Barry
to which he replied sheepishly, "no that's from Ikea..."
dave
B a r r y B u r k e J r . wrote:
> On Thu, 06 Nov 2003 19:08:39 GMT, [email protected] (Ken Muldrew)
> wrote:
>
>
>>Me, I just get in my car and go to the furniture
>>store and buy it. No prep hassle at all.
>>
>>Ken Muldrew
>
>
>
> When was the last time a house guest exclaimed "You MADE that?" to
> you? <G>
>
> I rest my case.
>
> Barry
Andy Dingley wrote:
> I've no idea what you use in the USA, but in the UK our "methylated
> spirit" stinks of pyridine. Horrible stuff, and a really unpleasant
> thing to work with all day. If you can find strong drinking
I don't know what it is, but it's definitely horrible stuff. My shop stank
for several days afterwards. The can of "denatured alcohol" smells exactly
the same, so I take it the Bullseye stuff is made extra noxious on purpose.
> alcohol, like Everclear (which we don't have in the UK) then it's a
> lot more pleasant to work with.
I'll be coming up with something less noxious when I get around to ordering
some flakes. Everclear has been banned here for quite some time. Too many
stupid college students killing themselves with it. I'll have to come up
with something else, and whatever it is, it damn sure won't be "methylated
spirit."
--
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T. wrote:
> I haven't tried this, so don't know how well it would work, but,
> have heard that vodka will work. They used to sell half-pints, might
> want to spring for some and experiment. Maybe you could get one or two
> of those little airplane bottles.
I have some vodka sitting on top of the refrigerator, actually. I rather
doubt it would work very well for this. It's 40% alcohol by volume, so 60%
water and other miscellaneous stuff. That sounds unlikely to work, but I'm
a shellac newbie, so I really don't know.
--
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Linux fanatic, and certified Geek; registered Linux user #243621
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"B a r r y B u r k e J r ." wrote:
>
> On Thu, 6 Nov 2003 13:41:43 -0500 (EST), [email protected] (T.)
> wrote:
>
> > If anyone tries it, post the results, good or bad.
>
> If it dosen't work for shellac, get some 7UP or tonic, and enjoy!
>
> Barry
I prefer mine straight up with a couple of almond stuffed olives.
Scott
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Wed, Nov 5, 2003, 8:10pm [email protected] (Silvan) says:
<snip> Everclear has been banned here <snip>
I haven't tried this, so don't know how well it would work, but,
have heard that vodka will work. They used to sell half-pints, might
want to spring for some and experiment. Maybe you could get one or two
of those little airplane bottles.
If anyone tries it, post the results, good or bad.
JOAT
My aim is to get through life peacefully, with as little interferrnce
from human beings as possible.
Life just ain't life without good music. - JOAT
Web Page Update 3 Nov 2003.
Some tunes I like.
http://community-2.webtv.net/Jakofalltrades/SOMETUNESILIKE/
On Thu, 6 Nov 2003 13:41:43 -0500 (EST), [email protected] (T.)
wrote:
> If anyone tries it, post the results, good or bad.
If it dosen't work for shellac, get some 7UP or tonic, and enjoy!
Barry
In article <[email protected]>, Bay Area Dave <[email protected]> wrote:
>I'd say more of an interpersonal skills newbie...
>
>dave
Pot - kettle - black. Here's Dave to Silvan in another thread:
"(ever consider responding to a WW question with an on-topic reply??)
just for grins?"
Ever consider taking your own advice, Dave?
--
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In article <[email protected]>,
Scott Brownell <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>
>"B a r r y B u r k e J r ." wrote:
>>
>> On Thu, 6 Nov 2003 13:41:43 -0500 (EST), [email protected] (T.)
>> wrote:
>>
>> > If anyone tries it, post the results, good or bad.
>>
>> If it dosen't work for shellac, get some 7UP or tonic, and enjoy!
>>
>> Barry
>
>I prefer mine straight up with a couple of almond stuffed olives.
I'm sorry, we're out of almonds, and I had to substitute.
"It's a hickory daiquiri, Doc!"
On Thu, 6 Nov 2003 13:41:43 -0500 (EST), [email protected] (T.)
wrote:
> I haven't tried this, so don't know how well it would work, but,
>have heard that vodka will work.
I wouldn't expect this to work well for shellac (unless you can find
some real rocket-grade vodka). The alcohol content is the right
stuff, and it's fairly pure. But there's too much water in vodka and
water in the solvent is a bad thing for shellac finishes.
As a source of "workshop cleaning alcohol", then it's certainly useful
to use vodka. I've always got a couple of litres of Stolly in the
freezer.
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Steve James wrote:
> You could look for a source of anhydrous isopropanol. It is a good
Rubbing alcohol without all the water in it, basically?
> solvent for Shellac if you don't mind the longer drying time. It
How much longer?
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On Fri, 07 Nov 2003 05:46:41 GMT, Bay Area Dave <[email protected]>
wrote:
>reminds me of using airplane dope. Whew! gave me a headache.
>
>dave
The best model paint stink / buzz to me was Floquil model railroad
paint. It's a xylene / lacquer product that smells remarkably like
Behlens / Mohawk pigment stains.
Barry
Steve James wrote:
> stuff was spoiled in some way. The manufactured date on the bottom of
> the can is 8-18-03 so it is pretty fresh stuff. I let a few drops of it
Weird. I just tried some of that for the first time too. Similarly recent
manufacture. It looked rather like caramel in the can. I used it straight
up, and I think it turned out OK, though I'm mildly concerned that it took
longer than it should have to dry. I'm hoping I just put it on too thick.
My biggest complaint was the smell. It makes poly/mineral spirits smell
like sweet candy by comparison. I was totally unprepared for just how
noxious those alcohol fumes would be. Probably the "denatured" part of it
I guess. I presume it has stuff in the can to make it highly poisonous, so
winos don't guzzle it.
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http://www.geocities.com/Paris/Rue/5407/
On Fri, 07 Nov 2003 19:54:10 -0500, Trent© <[email protected]>
wrote:
>Do you cut down your own trees, too?...rip and dry your own wood? lol
Yes.
Pretty soon I hope to have my own land, so I can grow them too. Nearly
bought a woodland last year, but rejected it (damn fool) because it
was all larch and I couldn't make furniture from them.
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On Wed, 05 Nov 2003 01:36:10 -0500, Silvan
<[email protected]> wrote:
>My biggest complaint was the smell. It makes poly/mineral spirits smell
>like sweet candy by comparison.
I LOVE the smell of shellac!
Barry
On Wed, 05 Nov 2003 20:10:48 -0500, Silvan
<[email protected]> scribbled
>I'll be coming up with something less noxious when I get around to ordering
>some flakes. Everclear has been banned here for quite some time. Too many
>stupid college students killing themselves with it. I'll have to come up
>with something else, and whatever it is, it damn sure won't be "methylated
>spirit."
http://homedistiller.org/ ;-)
Luigi
Replace "no" with "yk" twice
in reply address for real email address
Andy, I'm talking about "paint thinner". Mineral spirits = paint
thinner. It's used for poly; not shellac. Denatured alcohol for
shellac, as you mentioned several types.
dave
Andy Dingley wrote:
> On Wed, 05 Nov 2003 15:16:34 GMT, Bay Area Dave <[email protected]>
> wrote:
>
>
>>for a little extra, HD sells a "low odor" mineral spirits.
>
>
> Mineral spirits ? If that's what we call "white spirit" then it's no
> use with shellac at all.
>
> Shellac needs methylated spirits (mainly ethanol with some methanol,
> and the colour and stench) or some people favour isopropanol
> (isopropyl alcohol).
>
> --
> Die Gotterspammerung - Junkmail of the Gods