Here in SoCal, my favorite huckster, Bob Villa,
has been pitching "Grassology".
Basically a water hose powered grass seed
broadcaster.
The grass seed mixture contains some rye,
some fescue, and some Kentucky Blue, AKA:
basic starter grass.
No Merion, no Windsor, just Kentucky Blue.
Don't remember if any fertilizer is included.
Villa extols the superiority of his "sheep dip", and
the ability of it's root structure to penetrate deeper
than conventional grass seed into the soil.
IOW, he claims that his "sheep dip" will do a better
job of penetrating the hard clay and rock commonly
known as sub soil.
Maybe.
What makes this so funny is that SoCal is basically a
paved desert, so grass is the last thing needed here.
Matter of fact, the DWP (Department of Water and Power)
has an ongoing program to pay it's customers a rebate
for every square foot of grass that is removed and replaced
with drought tolerant desert landscaping.
Just another example of let the buyer beware IMHO.
Lew
On 5/24/2014 4:08 PM, Lew Hodgett wrote:
> "Neil Ward" wrote:
>>
>>> You must not be aware of the "Major Moves" program in Indiana:
>>> http://www.ai.org/indot/2407.htm
>>
> ---------------------------------------------
> "Lew Hodgett" wrote:
>
>> True
> ----------------------------------------------
> After spending a little time looking at the site, looks like
> the classic shell game of moving existing revenues around.
>
> Don't see where any new revenues are dedicated to the basic
> problem.
>
> Although $2.6 billion sounds like a lot of money, it doesn't go very
> far when it comes to building roads and bridges.
>
> Lew
>
>
True, moved existing revenues: re-prioritized funding.
You are correct.
The $2.6 billion was spent before the new governor took office in
01-14-2013. We have better state roads, and I-69 was opened from Oakland
City, to Crane, IN on 11-19-2012.
Neil
"Leon" wrote:
> Well there is a sucker born every minute. The product application
> method does work well BTY. In the surrounding counties here, the
> drainage ditches are sprayed using this technique right on top of
> our top soil/clay.
--------------------------------------------
No question this is a viable commercial application.
But using a water gun from the bed of a pick-up to
broadcast seed for planting is a whole different animal
compared to Grassology.
This is the old game of 2 for the price of 1 plus double
shipping and handling.
Straight forward gotcha.
Lew
"Lew Hodgett" wrote:
>> Here in SoCal, my favorite huckster, Bob Villa,
>> has been pitching "Grassology".
>>
>> Basically a water hose powered grass seed
>> broadcaster.
----------------------------------------
"Doug Miller" wrote:
> Yep, works great. That's how the Indiana DOT re-seeds the highway
> medians and
> shoulders after completing a construction project.
-----------------------------------------
Since when did you cheap skates in Indiana spend any money on roads?
Or is it the federal portion they are spending?
As far back as I can remember, sometime around the end of WWII,
Indiana has had 2nd class roads and has not done much to
correct the problem.
The condition of Indiana roads are a running joke with my
Hoosier relatives.
--------------------------------------------------------
>> What makes this so funny is that SoCal is basically a
>> paved desert, so grass is the last thing needed here.
-------------------------------------------------------------------
"Doug Miller" wrote:
> And you apparently think that they're not advertising the same
> product anywhere else.
> Have you never heard of a national advertising campaign? News flash,
> Lew: most of the
> United States is not "a paved desert".
-------------------------------------------------
For once try to read and understand before you shoot your mouth off.
These days advertising campaigns are targeted to specific markets.
Directing your advertising $ to a market of 18+million that basically
has no use for your product is not only expensive but wasteful.
--------------------------------------------------------------------
>> Matter of fact, the DWP (Department of Water and Power)
>> has an ongoing program to pay it's customers a rebate
>> for every square foot of grass that is removed and replaced
>> with drought tolerant desert landscaping.
>>
>> Just another example of let the buyer beware IMHO.
>
---------------------------------------------------------------
> No, what this *really* is, is just another example of a Southern
> Californian under the delusion
> that the world revolves around Southern California, or that anyone
> in the rest of the United
> States gives a s**t about Southern California. If Los Angeles
> disappeared tomorrow, the
> only people in most of the Midwest who would even *notice*, let
> alone care, are those who
> have family or friends there.
-----------------------------------------------------------
Jealousy, night and day you torture me.
When you get your head out of your rear end, you'll have a
better outlook on life.
Lew
On Sun, 25 May 2014 03:00:44 +0000 (UTC), Doug Miller
<[email protected]> wrote:
>"Lew Hodgett" <[email protected]> wrote in news:53815102$0$61611$c3e8da3
>[email protected]:
>
>
>> You mean they are still screwing around completing the interstate
>> highway system?
>>
>> Eisenhower signed off of that program in 1956.
>
>Where have you been for the last fifty-eight years, Lew? Do you *really* think that Indiana is the
>only state that's built any interstate highways since then?
Being a Californicator, perhaps Lew is dumbfounded that some states
have money to actually build infrastructure.
>Get a clue.
"Doug Miller" wrote:
>>> No, what this *really* is, is just another example of a Southern
>>> Californian under the delusion
>>> that the world revolves around Southern California, or that anyone
>>> in the rest of the United
>>> States gives a s**t about Southern California. If Los Angeles
>>> disappeared tomorrow, the
>>> only people in most of the Midwest who would even *notice*, let
>>> alone care, are those who
>>> have family or friends there.
-----------------------------------------------------------
"Lew Hodgett" wrote:
>> Jealousy, night and day you torture me.
--------------------------------------------------
"Doug Miller" wrote:
> Jealous of *what*, Lew? The gas prices and wildfires you piss and
> moan about all the time?
> Or the massive burden of regulation and debt the entire state is
> sinking under? The
> earthquakes? The hour-long commutes? The water shortages?
>
> Like I said... you're just another SoCal-ian under the delusion that
> the rest of the world cares
> about SoCal. There's nothing in SoCal to be jealous *of*, Lew. I've
> been there. Once. Didn't
> see any reason to go back, either.
-------------------------------------------------------
Two things still remain obvious.
You're clueless about California and the roads in Indiana
for the most part still suck.
After the interstates, the roads are a joke.
Lew
"woodchucker" wrote:
>> Bob Villa is just a horses ASS.
>> I have no respect for him.
>>
>> But that's my opinion. If he's hawking it, I run the other way.
-------------------------------------------------
"Lew Hodgett" wrote:
> You've got company.
-----------------------------------------------
"WW" wrote:
> Bob Villa knows nothing about the product. He reads the script and
> gets his check. Check out the reviews on Amazon ....Worthless crap.
> WW
---------------------------------------------------
Now you know why I started this thread as follows:
(Here in SoCal, my favorite huckster, Bob Villa,
has been pitching "Grassology").
Lew
On 05/22/2014 08:04 AM, Lew Hodgett wrote:
> Since when did you cheap skates in Indiana spend any money on roads?
>
> Or is it the federal portion they are spending?
>
> As far back as I can remember, sometime around the end of WWII,
> Indiana has had 2nd class roads and has not done much to
> correct the problem.
>
> The condition of Indiana roads are a running joke with my
> Hoosier relatives.
California has some real sweet roads. I-40 comes to mind. 99 tore two
tires off my 5th wheel. Yup, California roads are the best (not). Talk
about a joke!
"Neil Ward" wrote:
>
>> You must not be aware of the "Major Moves" program in Indiana:
>> http://www.ai.org/indot/2407.htm
>
---------------------------------------------
"Lew Hodgett" wrote:
> True
----------------------------------------------
After spending a little time looking at the site, looks like
the classic shell game of moving existing revenues around.
Don't see where any new revenues are dedicated to the basic
problem.
Although $2.6 billion sounds like a lot of money, it doesn't go very
far when it comes to building roads and bridges.
Lew
---------------------------------------------
"Lew Hodgett" wrote:
----------------------------------------------
>> After spending a little time looking at the site, looks like
>> the classic shell game of moving existing revenues around.
>>
>> Don't see where any new revenues are dedicated to the basic
>> problem.
>>
>> Although $2.6 billion sounds like a lot of money, it doesn't go
>> very
>> far when it comes to building roads and bridges.
----------------------------------------------------
"Neil Ward" wrote:
> True, moved existing revenues: re-prioritized funding.
>
> You are correct.
>
> The $2.6 billion was spent before the new governor took office in
> 01-14-2013. We have better state roads, and I-69 was opened from
> Oakland City, to Crane, IN on 11-19-2012.
---------------------------------------------------------
You mean they are still screwing around completing the interstate
highway system?
Eisenhower signed off of that program in 1956.
Glad to see some of the existing roads improved.
Driving from Huntington to Monticello (US-24) was a real grind
given existing road conditions.
Have relatives scattered all along that part of US-24 who are
farmers and have been for at least 125 years.
(My grandparents are buried in Logansport.)
They are quite happy with the crappy roads since it keeps their
property taxes low and they don't travel anyway.
Where are you located?
Lew
"Neil Ward" wrote:
> During the mid 1970s state and county roads North of U.S. 40 were
> much better that roads South of 40.
>
> Southwest corner: about 30 miles NE of Evansville.
--------------------------------------------------------------
Tell me the votes are north of US-40?
Do you recognize a town on the river by the name of "Derby?
Lew
"Neil Ward" wrote:
>>
>>> During the mid 1970s state and county roads North of U.S. 40 were
>>> much better that roads South of 40.
>>>
>>> Southwest corner: about 30 miles NE of Evansville.
>> --------------------------------------------------------------
"Lew Hodgett" wrote:
>> Tell me the votes are north of US-40?
>>
>> Do you recognize a town on the river by the name of "Derby?
---------------------------------------
"Neil Ward" wrote:
> Our county has about 12.8k people in about 340 sq. miles...
>
> Yes, I believe Derby is near Tell City.
------------------------------------------------------
My father grew up around Derby, Magnet and Tell City.
When he went north to get a job, they gave him the nickname
of "Derby".
It stuck and appears on his gravestone.
Does Tell City still have the furniture building company?
Lew
On 5/24/2014 10:59 PM, Doug Miller wrote:
> Neil Ward <[email protected]> wrote in
> news:[email protected]:
>
>> On 5/24/2014 4:08 PM, Lew Hodgett wrote:
>>> "Neil Ward" wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> You must not be aware of the "Major Moves" program in Indiana:
>>>>> http://www.ai.org/indot/2407.htm
>>>>
>>> ---------------------------------------------
>>> "Lew Hodgett" wrote:
>>>
>>>> True
>>> ----------------------------------------------
>>> After spending a little time looking at the site, looks like
>>> the classic shell game of moving existing revenues around.
>>>
>>> Don't see where any new revenues are dedicated to the basic
>>> problem.
>>>
>>> Although $2.6 billion sounds like a lot of money, it doesn't go very
>>> far when it comes to building roads and bridges.
>>>
>>> Lew
>>>
>>>
>> True, moved existing revenues: re-prioritized funding.
>
> No, it's not true. You don't appear to have any more idea than Lew about how Major Moves
> was funded.
>
Part snipped:
"Neil Ward" wrote:
>
> You are correct.
>
> The $2.6 billion was spent before the new governor took office in
> 01-14-2013. We have better state roads, and I-69 was opened from
> Oakland City, to Crane, IN on 11-19-2012.
My understanding of how "Major Moves" is funded: Indiana in 2006 leased
157 miles of our 55 year old publicly financed Indiana EastWest Toll
Road to Indiana Toll Road Concession Co. Indiana got $3.8 billion in
cash. ITRCC got the right to collect tolls on the road for the next 75
years. Indiana used $2.6 billion of the upfront cash to fund "Major
Moves" in addition to funds from: fuel taxes; federal aid and
reimbursement, trucking fees and license, vehicle and driver license fees.
INDOT has about 12,000 miles of roads that they are responsible for,
Indiana receives about $900. million in federal highway maintenance
funding. I would like to know how "Major Moves" is really funded.
Neil
On 5/24/2014 10:10 PM, Lew Hodgett wrote:
> ---------------------------------------------
> "Lew Hodgett" wrote:
> ----------------------------------------------
>>> After spending a little time looking at the site, looks like
>>> the classic shell game of moving existing revenues around.
>>>
>>> Don't see where any new revenues are dedicated to the basic
>>> problem.
>>>
>>> Although $2.6 billion sounds like a lot of money, it doesn't go
>>> very
>>> far when it comes to building roads and bridges.
> ----------------------------------------------------
> "Neil Ward" wrote:
>
>> True, moved existing revenues: re-prioritized funding.
>>
>> You are correct.
>>
>> The $2.6 billion was spent before the new governor took office in
>> 01-14-2013. We have better state roads, and I-69 was opened from
>> Oakland City, to Crane, IN on 11-19-2012.
> ---------------------------------------------------------
> You mean they are still screwing around completing the interstate
> highway system?
>
> Eisenhower signed off of that program in 1956.
>
> Glad to see some of the existing roads improved.
>
> Driving from Huntington to Monticello (US-24) was a real grind
> given existing road conditions.
>
> Have relatives scattered all along that part of US-24 who are
> farmers and have been for at least 125 years.
>
> (My grandparents are buried in Logansport.)
>
> They are quite happy with the crappy roads since it keeps their
> property taxes low and they don't travel anyway.
>
> Where are you located?
>
> Lew
>
>
>
Lew,
During the mid 1970s state and county roads North of U.S. 40 were much
better that roads South of 40.
Southwest corner: about 30 miles NE of Evansville.
Neil
On 5/21/2014 6:56 PM, Lew Hodgett wrote:
> Here in SoCal, my favorite huckster, Bob Villa,
> has been pitching "Grassology".
>
> Basically a water hose powered grass seed
> broadcaster.
>
> The grass seed mixture contains some rye,
> some fescue, and some Kentucky Blue, AKA:
> basic starter grass.
>
> No Merion, no Windsor, just Kentucky Blue.
>
> Don't remember if any fertilizer is included.
>
> Villa extols the superiority of his "sheep dip", and
> the ability of it's root structure to penetrate deeper
> than conventional grass seed into the soil.
>
> IOW, he claims that his "sheep dip" will do a better
> job of penetrating the hard clay and rock commonly
> known as sub soil.
>
> Maybe.
>
> What makes this so funny is that SoCal is basically a
> paved desert, so grass is the last thing needed here.
>
> Matter of fact, the DWP (Department of Water and Power)
> has an ongoing program to pay it's customers a rebate
> for every square foot of grass that is removed and replaced
> with drought tolerant desert landscaping.
>
> Just another example of let the buyer beware IMHO.
>
>
>
> Lew
>
>
Well there is a sucker born every minute. The product application
method does work well BTY. In the surrounding counties here, the
drainage ditches are sprayed using this technique right on top of our
top soil/clay.
On 5/21/2014 11:39 PM, Lew Hodgett wrote:
> "Leon" wrote:
>> Well there is a sucker born every minute. The product application
>> method does work well BTY. In the surrounding counties here, the
>> drainage ditches are sprayed using this technique right on top of
>> our top soil/clay.
> --------------------------------------------
> No question this is a viable commercial application.
>
> But using a water gun from the bed of a pick-up to
> broadcast seed for planting is a whole different animal
> compared to Grassology.
>
> This is the old game of 2 for the price of 1 plus double
> shipping and handling.
>
> Straight forward gotcha.
>
> Lew
>
>
I see now that is is simply a variety of grass seeds mixed together so
that hopefully one or more will survive in the climate that it is being
used in.
Your mentioning,
Basically a water hose powered grass seed
broadcaster.
Let me to think commercially applied by spray from a dedicated vehicle.
On 5/21/2014 7:56 PM, Lew Hodgett wrote:
> Here in SoCal, my favorite huckster, Bob Villa,
> has been pitching "Grassology".
>
> Basically a water hose powered grass seed
> broadcaster.
>
> The grass seed mixture contains some rye,
> some fescue, and some Kentucky Blue, AKA:
> basic starter grass.
>
> No Merion, no Windsor, just Kentucky Blue.
>
> Don't remember if any fertilizer is included.
>
> Villa extols the superiority of his "sheep dip", and
> the ability of it's root structure to penetrate deeper
> than conventional grass seed into the soil.
>
> IOW, he claims that his "sheep dip" will do a better
> job of penetrating the hard clay and rock commonly
> known as sub soil.
>
> Maybe.
>
> What makes this so funny is that SoCal is basically a
> paved desert, so grass is the last thing needed here.
>
> Matter of fact, the DWP (Department of Water and Power)
> has an ongoing program to pay it's customers a rebate
> for every square foot of grass that is removed and replaced
> with drought tolerant desert landscaping.
>
> Just another example of let the buyer beware IMHO.
>
>
>
> Lew
>
>
Bob Villa is just a horses ASS.
I have no respect for him.
But that's my opinion. If he's hawking it, I run the other way.
--
Jeff
On 5/25/2014 11:44 PM, Lew Hodgett wrote:
> "Neil Ward" wrote:
>
>> During the mid 1970s state and county roads North of U.S. 40 were
>> much better that roads South of 40.
>>
>> Southwest corner: about 30 miles NE of Evansville.
> --------------------------------------------------------------
> Tell me the votes are north of US-40?
>
> Do you recognize a town on the river by the name of "Derby?
>
> Lew
>
>
>
Our county has about 12.8k people in about 340 sq. miles...
Yes, I believe Derby is near Tell City.
Neil
"Lew Hodgett" <[email protected]> wrote in news:537d3d39$0$17124$c3e8da3
[email protected]:
> Here in SoCal, my favorite huckster, Bob Villa,
> has been pitching "Grassology".
>
> Basically a water hose powered grass seed
> broadcaster.
>
Yep, works great. That's how the Indiana DOT re-seeds the highway medians and
shoulders after completing a construction project.
[...]
>
> What makes this so funny is that SoCal is basically a
> paved desert, so grass is the last thing needed here.
And you apparently think that they're not advertising the same product anywhere else.
Have you never heard of a national advertising campaign? News flash, Lew: most of the
United States is not "a paved desert".
>
> Matter of fact, the DWP (Department of Water and Power)
> has an ongoing program to pay it's customers a rebate
> for every square foot of grass that is removed and replaced
> with drought tolerant desert landscaping.
>
> Just another example of let the buyer beware IMHO.
No, what this *really* is, is just another example of a Southern Californian under the delusion
that the world revolves around Southern California, or that anyone in the rest of the United
States gives a s**t about Southern California. If Los Angeles disappeared tomorrow, the
only people in most of the Midwest who would even *notice*, let alone care, are those who
have family or friends there.
On Sat, 24 May 2014 18:17:41 -0500, Leon <lcb11211@swbelldotnet>
wrote:
>On 5/24/2014 5:00 PM, Doug Miller wrote:
>> "Lew Hodgett" <[email protected]> wrote in news:5380fc30$0$50622$c3e8da3
>> [email protected]:
>>
>>>
>>>
>>> "Neil Ward" wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> You must not be aware of the "Major Moves" program in Indiana:
>>>>> http://www.ai.org/indot/2407.htm
>>>>
>>> ---------------------------------------------
>>> "Lew Hodgett" wrote:
>>>
>>>> True
>>> ----------------------------------------------
>>> After spending a little time looking at the site, looks like
>>> the classic shell game of moving existing revenues around.
>>
>> Where on that site do you imagine that you saw *that*?
>>
>>> Don't see where any new revenues are dedicated to the basic
>>> problem.
>>
>> That's because that particular page is devoted to describing what the money is being
>> spent on, not where it comes from. There is *nothing* there, except your own imagination,
>> that even remotely suggests "the classic shell game of moving existing revenues around."
>>
>> The funding for Major Moves comes from a lease deal concluded about ten years ago: the
>> Indiana Toll Road was leased to an Austrailian-Spanish consortium for 75 years, and the
>> state got the money up front.
>>
>> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Indiana_Toll_Road#Major_Moves
>>
>>> Although $2.6 billion sounds like a lot of money, it doesn't go very
>>> far when it comes to building roads and bridges.
>>
>> Perhaps you misread it. That's "billion" with a B. And the page describes in considerable
>> detail exactly what's being done -- looks to me like it's going pretty far.
>>
>> Apparently your description of having spent "a little time" looking at the site was an
>> exaggeration.
>>
>
>
>It would not go far in California. 50% of the money would go toward
>impact studies of fire scorched land. 20% would go to politicians
>pockets. 15% would go toward cleanup after the build. 10% would
>mysteriously disappear. 5% would go toward the Asphalt patch truck that
>would actually be used to do the improvements.
>
>298% would go towards the state's dept for cost over runs.
>
>And then you would have the cost of all of those cancer warning labels. ;~)
>
You forgot the increase in the prison pension fund (which also funds
the legislature's pension, AIUI).
"Lew Hodgett" <[email protected]> wrote in news:537e11e8$0$22018$c3e8da3
[email protected]:
>
>> No, what this *really* is, is just another example of a Southern
>> Californian under the delusion
>> that the world revolves around Southern California, or that anyone
>> in the rest of the United
>> States gives a s**t about Southern California. If Los Angeles
>> disappeared tomorrow, the
>> only people in most of the Midwest who would even *notice*, let
>> alone care, are those who
>> have family or friends there.
> -----------------------------------------------------------
> Jealousy, night and day you torture me.
Jealous of *what*, Lew? The gas prices and wildfires you piss and moan about all the time?
Or the massive burden of regulation and debt the entire state is sinking under? The
earthquakes? The hour-long commutes? The water shortages?
Like I said... you're just another SoCal-ian under the delusion that the rest of the world cares
about SoCal. There's nothing in SoCal to be jealous *of*, Lew. I've been there. Once. Didn't
see any reason to go back, either.
Neil Ward <[email protected]> wrote in news:
[email protected]:
> On 5/22/2014 5:08 PM, Lew Hodgett wrote:
>> -------------------------------------------------------
>> Two things still remain obvious.
>>
>> You're clueless about California and the roads in Indiana
>> for the most part still suck.
>>
>> After the interstates, the roads are a joke.
>>
>> Lew
>>
>>
>
> Lew,
>
> You must not be aware of the "Major Moves" program in Indiana:
> http://www.ai.org/indot/2407.htm
Lew isn't aware of anything that goes on outside of Southern California. <g>
[email protected] (Scott Lurndal) wrote in news:[email protected]:
> Doug Miller <[email protected]> writes:
>>Lew isn't aware of anything that goes on outside of Southern California. <g>
>
> Yet you, having visited Southern California once, are an expert on it?
I didn't claim to be. I just said that, having been there once, I saw no reason to return.
>
> To correct just one of your misapprehensions, California currently has
> a budget surplus.
No, it doesn't.
http://hotair.com/archives/2014/04/14/california-budget-surplus-nope-not-so-much/
"Lew Hodgett" <[email protected]> wrote in news:5380fc30$0$50622$c3e8da3
[email protected]:
>
>
> "Neil Ward" wrote:
>>
>>> You must not be aware of the "Major Moves" program in Indiana:
>>> http://www.ai.org/indot/2407.htm
>>
> ---------------------------------------------
> "Lew Hodgett" wrote:
>
>> True
> ----------------------------------------------
> After spending a little time looking at the site, looks like
> the classic shell game of moving existing revenues around.
Where on that site do you imagine that you saw *that*?
> Don't see where any new revenues are dedicated to the basic
> problem.
That's because that particular page is devoted to describing what the money is being
spent on, not where it comes from. There is *nothing* there, except your own imagination,
that even remotely suggests "the classic shell game of moving existing revenues around."
The funding for Major Moves comes from a lease deal concluded about ten years ago: the
Indiana Toll Road was leased to an Austrailian-Spanish consortium for 75 years, and the
state got the money up front.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Indiana_Toll_Road#Major_Moves
> Although $2.6 billion sounds like a lot of money, it doesn't go very
> far when it comes to building roads and bridges.
Perhaps you misread it. That's "billion" with a B. And the page describes in considerable
detail exactly what's being done -- looks to me like it's going pretty far.
Apparently your description of having spent "a little time" looking at the site was an
exaggeration.
Leon <lcb11211@swbelldotnet> wrote in
news:[email protected]:
> On 5/24/2014 5:00 PM, Doug Miller wrote:
>> "Lew Hodgett" <[email protected]> wrote in news:5380fc30$0$50622$c3e8da3
>> [email protected]:
>>
>>>
>>>
>>> "Neil Ward" wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> You must not be aware of the "Major Moves" program in Indiana:
>>>>> http://www.ai.org/indot/2407.htm
>>>>
>>> ---------------------------------------------
>>> "Lew Hodgett" wrote:
>>>
>>>> True
>>> ----------------------------------------------
>>> After spending a little time looking at the site, looks like
>>> the classic shell game of moving existing revenues around.
>>
>> Where on that site do you imagine that you saw *that*?
>>
>>> Don't see where any new revenues are dedicated to the basic
>>> problem.
>>
>> That's because that particular page is devoted to describing what the money is being
>> spent on, not where it comes from. There is *nothing* there, except your own imagination,
>> that even remotely suggests "the classic shell game of moving existing revenues
around."
>>
>> The funding for Major Moves comes from a lease deal concluded about ten years ago:
the
>> Indiana Toll Road was leased to an Austrailian-Spanish consortium for 75 years, and the
>> state got the money up front.
>>
>> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Indiana_Toll_Road#Major_Moves
>>
>>> Although $2.6 billion sounds like a lot of money, it doesn't go very
>>> far when it comes to building roads and bridges.
>>
>> Perhaps you misread it. That's "billion" with a B. And the page describes in
considerable
>> detail exactly what's being done -- looks to me like it's going pretty far.
>>
>> Apparently your description of having spent "a little time" looking at the site was an
>> exaggeration.
>>
>
>
> It would not go far in California. 50% of the money would go toward
> impact studies of fire scorched land. 20% would go to politicians
> pockets. 15% would go toward cleanup after the build. 10% would
> mysteriously disappear. 5% would go toward the Asphalt patch truck that
> would actually be used to do the improvements.
>
> 298% would go towards the state's dept for cost over runs.
>
> And then you would have the cost of all of those cancer warning labels. ;~)
>
Yeah, you're right, Leon, I forgot about all that ... ummm ... stuff.
Neil Ward <[email protected]> wrote in
news:[email protected]:
> On 5/24/2014 4:08 PM, Lew Hodgett wrote:
>> "Neil Ward" wrote:
>>>
>>>> You must not be aware of the "Major Moves" program in Indiana:
>>>> http://www.ai.org/indot/2407.htm
>>>
>> ---------------------------------------------
>> "Lew Hodgett" wrote:
>>
>>> True
>> ----------------------------------------------
>> After spending a little time looking at the site, looks like
>> the classic shell game of moving existing revenues around.
>>
>> Don't see where any new revenues are dedicated to the basic
>> problem.
>>
>> Although $2.6 billion sounds like a lot of money, it doesn't go very
>> far when it comes to building roads and bridges.
>>
>> Lew
>>
>>
> True, moved existing revenues: re-prioritized funding.
No, it's not true. You don't appear to have any more idea than Lew about how Major Moves
was funded.
"Lew Hodgett" <[email protected]> wrote in news:53815102$0$61611$c3e8da3
[email protected]:
> You mean they are still screwing around completing the interstate
> highway system?
>
> Eisenhower signed off of that program in 1956.
Where have you been for the last fifty-eight years, Lew? Do you *really* think that Indiana is the
only state that's built any interstate highways since then?
Get a clue.
Neil Ward <[email protected]> wrote in
news:[email protected]:
> On 5/24/2014 10:59 PM, Doug Miller wrote:
>> Neil Ward <[email protected]> wrote in
>> news:[email protected]:
>>
>>> On 5/24/2014 4:08 PM, Lew Hodgett wrote:
>>>> "Neil Ward" wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> You must not be aware of the "Major Moves" program in Indiana:
>>>>>> http://www.ai.org/indot/2407.htm
>>>>>
>>>> ---------------------------------------------
>>>> "Lew Hodgett" wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> True
>>>> ----------------------------------------------
>>>> After spending a little time looking at the site, looks like
>>>> the classic shell game of moving existing revenues around.
>>>>
>>>> Don't see where any new revenues are dedicated to the basic
>>>> problem.
>>>>
>>>> Although $2.6 billion sounds like a lot of money, it doesn't go very
>>>> far when it comes to building roads and bridges.
>>>>
>>>> Lew
>>>>
>>>>
>>> True, moved existing revenues: re-prioritized funding.
>>
>> No, it's not true. You don't appear to have any more idea than Lew about how Major
Moves
>> was funded.
>>
> Part snipped:
> "Neil Ward" wrote:
> >
> > You are correct.
> >
> > The $2.6 billion was spent before the new governor took office in
> > 01-14-2013. We have better state roads, and I-69 was opened from
> > Oakland City, to Crane, IN on 11-19-2012.
>
> My understanding of how "Major Moves" is funded: Indiana in 2006 leased
> 157 miles of our 55 year old publicly financed Indiana EastWest Toll
> Road to Indiana Toll Road Concession Co. Indiana got $3.8 billion in
> cash. ITRCC got the right to collect tolls on the road for the next 75
> years. Indiana used $2.6 billion of the upfront cash to fund "Major
> Moves" in addition to funds from: fuel taxes; federal aid and
> reimbursement, trucking fees and license, vehicle and driver license fees.
>
> INDOT has about 12,000 miles of roads that they are responsible for,
> Indiana receives about $900. million in federal highway maintenance
> funding. I would like to know how "Major Moves" is really funded.
You just described how it's "really funded". What's your point?
On 5/22/2014 6:24 AM, Doug Miller wrote:
> No, what this*really* is, is just another example of a Southern Californian under the delusion
> that the world revolves around Southern California, or that anyone in the rest of the United
> States gives a s**t about Southern California. If Los Angeles disappeared tomorrow, the
> only people in most of the Midwest who would even*notice*, let alone care, are those who
> have family or friends there.
ROFL ... only thing more poetic would be if Bloomberg were imprisoned there.
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On 5/22/2014 5:08 PM, Lew Hodgett wrote:
> -------------------------------------------------------
> Two things still remain obvious.
>
> You're clueless about California and the roads in Indiana
> for the most part still suck.
>
> After the interstates, the roads are a joke.
>
> Lew
>
>
Lew,
You must not be aware of the "Major Moves" program in Indiana:
http://www.ai.org/indot/2407.htm
Neil
"Lew Hodgett" wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
Here in SoCal, my favorite huckster, Bob Villa,
has been pitching "Grassology".
Basically a water hose powered grass seed
broadcaster.
The grass seed mixture contains some rye,
some fescue, and some Kentucky Blue, AKA:
basic starter grass.
No Merion, no Windsor, just Kentucky Blue.
Don't remember if any fertilizer is included.
Villa extols the superiority of his "sheep dip", and
the ability of it's root structure to penetrate deeper
than conventional grass seed into the soil.
IOW, he claims that his "sheep dip" will do a better
job of penetrating the hard clay and rock commonly
known as sub soil.
Maybe.
What makes this so funny is that SoCal is basically a
paved desert, so grass is the last thing needed here.
Matter of fact, the DWP (Department of Water and Power)
has an ongoing program to pay it's customers a rebate
for every square foot of grass that is removed and replaced
with drought tolerant desert landscaping.
Just another example of let the buyer beware IMHO.
Lew
I looked up on Amazon. They sell it. Looked at reviews. ALL bad. Check this
out if you want. I was ready to order it until I read the reviews. WW
On Fri, 23 May 2014 16:03:28 -0400, "Mike Marlow"
<[email protected]> wrote:
>Scott Lurndal wrote:
>> "Mike Marlow" <[email protected]> writes:
>>> Scott Lurndal wrote:
>>>
>>>> Every state in the country has both good and bad roads. Why this
>>>> pissing contest and state-hatred?
>>>
>>> Oh geezus - had to go and introduce the "hatred" word, huh? Really?
>>> Grow up Scott.
>>>
>>
>> That's priceless coming from you. Just read through your last two
>> years of posting.
>
>There's something very weird about a person who reads two years worth of
>postings from a person...
Stalker
Doug Winterburn <[email protected]> writes:
>On 05/22/2014 08:04 AM, Lew Hodgett wrote:
>
>> Since when did you cheap skates in Indiana spend any money on roads?
>>
>> Or is it the federal portion they are spending?
>>
>> As far back as I can remember, sometime around the end of WWII,
>> Indiana has had 2nd class roads and has not done much to
>> correct the problem.
>>
>> The condition of Indiana roads are a running joke with my
>> Hoosier relatives.
>
>
>California has some real sweet roads. I-40 comes to mind. 99 tore two
>tires off my 5th wheel. Yup, California roads are the best (not). Talk
>about a joke!
Every state in the country has both good and bad roads. Why this pissing
contest and state-hatred?
On 5/24/2014 5:00 PM, Doug Miller wrote:
> "Lew Hodgett" <[email protected]> wrote in news:5380fc30$0$50622$c3e8da3
> [email protected]:
>
>>
>>
>> "Neil Ward" wrote:
>>>
>>>> You must not be aware of the "Major Moves" program in Indiana:
>>>> http://www.ai.org/indot/2407.htm
>>>
>> ---------------------------------------------
>> "Lew Hodgett" wrote:
>>
>>> True
>> ----------------------------------------------
>> After spending a little time looking at the site, looks like
>> the classic shell game of moving existing revenues around.
>
> Where on that site do you imagine that you saw *that*?
>
>> Don't see where any new revenues are dedicated to the basic
>> problem.
>
> That's because that particular page is devoted to describing what the money is being
> spent on, not where it comes from. There is *nothing* there, except your own imagination,
> that even remotely suggests "the classic shell game of moving existing revenues around."
>
> The funding for Major Moves comes from a lease deal concluded about ten years ago: the
> Indiana Toll Road was leased to an Austrailian-Spanish consortium for 75 years, and the
> state got the money up front.
>
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Indiana_Toll_Road#Major_Moves
>
>> Although $2.6 billion sounds like a lot of money, it doesn't go very
>> far when it comes to building roads and bridges.
>
> Perhaps you misread it. That's "billion" with a B. And the page describes in considerable
> detail exactly what's being done -- looks to me like it's going pretty far.
>
> Apparently your description of having spent "a little time" looking at the site was an
> exaggeration.
>
It would not go far in California. 50% of the money would go toward
impact studies of fire scorched land. 20% would go to politicians
pockets. 15% would go toward cleanup after the build. 10% would
mysteriously disappear. 5% would go toward the Asphalt patch truck that
would actually be used to do the improvements.
298% would go towards the state's dept for cost over runs.
And then you would have the cost of all of those cancer warning labels. ;~)
On 5/27/2014 12:58 AM, Lew Hodgett wrote:
> "Neil Ward" wrote:
>>>
>>>> During the mid 1970s state and county roads North of U.S. 40 were
>>>> much better that roads South of 40.
>>>>
>>>> Southwest corner: about 30 miles NE of Evansville.
>>> --------------------------------------------------------------
> "Lew Hodgett" wrote:
>
>>> Tell me the votes are north of US-40?
>>>
>>> Do you recognize a town on the river by the name of "Derby?
> ---------------------------------------
> "Neil Ward" wrote:
>
>> Our county has about 12.8k people in about 340 sq. miles...
>>
>> Yes, I believe Derby is near Tell City.
> ------------------------------------------------------
> My father grew up around Derby, Magnet and Tell City.
>
> When he went north to get a job, they gave him the nickname
> of "Derby".
>
> It stuck and appears on his gravestone.
>
> Does Tell City still have the furniture building company?
>
> Lew
>
>
>
>
I worked with two EEs that grew up around Tell City. Their last names
were Peter, and Fisher.
No, it closed about 3 years ago I believe...
Neil
On Thu, 22 May 2014 10:17:39 -0500, Swingman <[email protected]> wrote:
>On 5/22/2014 6:24 AM, Doug Miller wrote:
>> No, what this*really* is, is just another example of a Southern Californian under the delusion
>> that the world revolves around Southern California, or that anyone in the rest of the United
>> States gives a s**t about Southern California. If Los Angeles disappeared tomorrow, the
>> only people in most of the Midwest who would even*notice*, let alone care, are those who
>> have family or friends there.
>
>ROFL ... only thing more poetic would be if Bloomberg were imprisoned there.
When it disappeared? Yeah, you have my vote. ;-)
[email protected] wrote:
> On Thu, 22 May 2014 10:17:39 -0500, Swingman <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>> On 5/22/2014 6:24 AM, Doug Miller wrote:
>>> No, what this*really* is, is just another example of a Southern
>>> Californian under the delusion that the world revolves around
>>> Southern California, or that anyone in the rest of the United
>>> States gives a s**t about Southern California. If Los Angeles
>>> disappeared tomorrow, the
>>> only people in most of the Midwest who would even*notice*, let
>>> alone care, are those who
>>> have family or friends there.
>>
>> ROFL ... only thing more poetic would be if Bloomberg were
>> imprisoned there.
>
> When it disappeared? Yeah, you have my vote. ;-)
Mine too. Does that make enough votes to get it on the ballot?
--
-Mike-
[email protected]
Scott Lurndal wrote:
> Every state in the country has both good and bad roads. Why this
> pissing contest and state-hatred?
Oh geezus - had to go and introduce the "hatred" word, huh? Really? Grow
up Scott.
--
-Mike-
[email protected]
Scott Lurndal wrote:
> "Mike Marlow" <[email protected]> writes:
>> Scott Lurndal wrote:
>>
>>> Every state in the country has both good and bad roads. Why this
>>> pissing contest and state-hatred?
>>
>> Oh geezus - had to go and introduce the "hatred" word, huh? Really?
>> Grow up Scott.
>>
>
> That's priceless coming from you. Just read through your last two
> years of posting.
And you found statements like that?
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-Mike-
[email protected]
Scott Lurndal wrote:
> "Mike Marlow" <[email protected]> writes:
>> Scott Lurndal wrote:
>>
>>> Every state in the country has both good and bad roads. Why this
>>> pissing contest and state-hatred?
>>
>> Oh geezus - had to go and introduce the "hatred" word, huh? Really?
>> Grow up Scott.
>>
>
> That's priceless coming from you. Just read through your last two
> years of posting.
There's something very weird about a person who reads two years worth of
postings from a person...
--
-Mike-
[email protected]
[email protected] wrote:
> On Fri, 23 May 2014 16:03:28 -0400, "Mike Marlow"
> <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>> Scott Lurndal wrote:
>>> "Mike Marlow" <[email protected]> writes:
>>>> Scott Lurndal wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Every state in the country has both good and bad roads. Why this
>>>>> pissing contest and state-hatred?
>>>>
>>>> Oh geezus - had to go and introduce the "hatred" word, huh?
>>>> Really? Grow up Scott.
>>>>
>>>
>>> That's priceless coming from you. Just read through your last two
>>> years of posting.
>>
>> There's something very weird about a person who reads two years
>> worth of postings from a person...
>
> Stalker
Yup. His own posting history here (without spending the time to look back
over two years...) kinda proves that anyway. He's a contentious little
prick that hasn't offered anything but problems to this group.
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-Mike-
[email protected]
"Mike Marlow" <[email protected]> writes:
>Scott Lurndal wrote:
>
>> Every state in the country has both good and bad roads. Why this
>> pissing contest and state-hatred?
>
>Oh geezus - had to go and introduce the "hatred" word, huh? Really? Grow
>up Scott.
>
That's priceless coming from you. Just read through your last two
years of posting.
Doug Miller <[email protected]> writes:
>Neil Ward <[email protected]> wrote in news:
>[email protected]:
>
>> On 5/22/2014 5:08 PM, Lew Hodgett wrote:
>>> -------------------------------------------------------
>>> Two things still remain obvious.
>>>
>>> You're clueless about California and the roads in Indiana
>>> for the most part still suck.
>>>
>>> After the interstates, the roads are a joke.
>>>
>>> Lew
>>>
>>>
>>
>> Lew,
>>
>> You must not be aware of the "Major Moves" program in Indiana:
>> http://www.ai.org/indot/2407.htm
>
>Lew isn't aware of anything that goes on outside of Southern California. <g>
Yet you, having visited Southern California once, are an expert on it?
To correct just one of your misapprehensions, California currently has
a budget surplus.
"Lew Hodgett" wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
"woodchucker" wrote:
> Bob Villa is just a horses ASS.
> I have no respect for him.
>
> But that's my opinion. If he's hawking it, I run the other way.
-------------------------------------------------
You've got company.
Lew
>
> --
> Jeff
Bob Villa knows nothing about the product. He reads the script and gets his
check. Check out the reviews on Amazon ....Worthless crap. WW