"Frank Carluci" <[email protected]> wrote in message ...
> Strange this was never brought up in the Amercian media....
Even stranger you thought to bring it up here in a woodworking group, in
your first ever usenet post with this name and email address.
BTW, it's "American", not "Amercian".
Plonk goes the troll!
--
Greg
"Frank Carluci" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> Strange this was never brought up in the Amercian media....
Stranger yet you should bring it up here.
SH
Hey troll..... go post your crap some where else.
"Frank Carluci" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> Strange this was never brought up in the Amercian media....
>
> http://www.guardian.co.uk/usa/story/0,12271,1312540,00.html
>
>
On Thu, 04 Nov 2004 18:35:18 GMT, "Edwin Pawlowski" <[email protected]>
wrote:
>
>"Frank Carluci" <[email protected]> wrote in message
>news:[email protected]...
>> Strange this was never brought up in the Amercian media....
>>
>> http://www.guardian.co.uk/usa/story/0,12271,1312540,00.html
>>
>>
>
>To quote from the article:
>"There has been a steady internet chatter about the "Bush/Nazi" connection,
>much of it inaccurate and unfair"
>
>Perhaps this is also inaccurate and unfair..
Oh, it's probably quite accurate -- at least as far as I can tell.
Fairness is another matter entirely. What's going on here a) involves
the president's grandfather, b) happened more than 50 years ago, and
c) seems to involve some rather routine business dealings of the firm
of which Prescott Bush was a member.
It makes an interesting historical note on American business practices
at the time, but it is hardly, in my view, any refection at all on
George W. Bush or current events.
--RC
That which does not kill us makes us stronger.
--Friedrich Nietzsche
Never get your philosophy from some guy who ended up in the looney bin.
-- Wiz Zumwalt
Frank,
I think I read somewhere that the Carluci family was involved with the Cosa
Nostra sometime around 1915 on the east side of NY. Are you putting this on
your resume? I saw it in an article on the internet so I know it's true.
--
-Jim
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"Frank Carluci" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> Please do not try to discredit the article by extracting a passage of the
> article and citing if off-context.
> Discreditation is a very easy tool to use, and works well, but always
serves
> the purposes of concealing the truth. Why don't we ever of the end of the
> Michael Jackson abuse stories? Because his well-paid lawyers work
full-time
> on discrediting the poor victims. When the victims have been thoroughly
> discredited, the attention of the media and the public has been lost, and
> Mr. Jackson just bribes the victims to keep them silent. What can money
NOT
> do?
>
> What can't people just face the truth, instead of mindlessly supporting
> criminals in the comfort of their prefabricated happiness?
>
> Anyway, turning back to the mian topic, the article says:
> "The debate over Prescott Bush's behaviour has been bubbling under the
> surface for some time. There has been a steady internet chatter about the
> "Bush/Nazi" connection, much of it inaccurate and unfair. But the new
> documents, many of which were only declassified last year, show that even
> after America had entered the war and when there was already significant
> information about the Nazis' plans and policies, he worked for and
profited
> from companies closely involved with the very German businesses that
> financed Hitler's rise to power. It has also been suggested that the money
> he made from these dealings helped to establish the Bush family fortune
and
> set up its political dynasty."
>
> BTW, this is verified information. People will try to discredit the
Guardian
> as a credible newspaper, although many know they are worldwidely reputable
> for disclosing information in an honest, unbiased manner. You can just
> google up "prescott bush nazi" to see for yourself. I've heard of these
> facts at numerous occasions, from different and unrelated sources.
>
> Not trying to attack anyone here. I am simply weary of the fact that the
> Amercian media conceals information, that it'd be an explosive nugget of
> information such as this one, or such as the Valerie Plame affair
> http://www.washingtonpost.com/ac2/wp-dyn/A29782-2003Dec2?language=printer
>
>
Please do not try to discredit the article by extracting a passage of the
article and citing if off-context.
Discreditation is a very easy tool to use, and works well, but always serves
the purposes of concealing the truth. Why don't we ever of the end of the
Michael Jackson abuse stories? Because his well-paid lawyers work full-time
on discrediting the poor victims. When the victims have been thoroughly
discredited, the attention of the media and the public has been lost, and
Mr. Jackson just bribes the victims to keep them silent. What can money NOT
do?
What can't people just face the truth, instead of mindlessly supporting
criminals in the comfort of their prefabricated happiness?
Anyway, turning back to the mian topic, the article says:
"The debate over Prescott Bush's behaviour has been bubbling under the
surface for some time. There has been a steady internet chatter about the
"Bush/Nazi" connection, much of it inaccurate and unfair. But the new
documents, many of which were only declassified last year, show that even
after America had entered the war and when there was already significant
information about the Nazis' plans and policies, he worked for and profited
from companies closely involved with the very German businesses that
financed Hitler's rise to power. It has also been suggested that the money
he made from these dealings helped to establish the Bush family fortune and
set up its political dynasty."
BTW, this is verified information. People will try to discredit the Guardian
as a credible newspaper, although many know they are worldwidely reputable
for disclosing information in an honest, unbiased manner. You can just
google up "prescott bush nazi" to see for yourself. I've heard of these
facts at numerous occasions, from different and unrelated sources.
Not trying to attack anyone here. I am simply weary of the fact that the
Amercian media conceals information, that it'd be an explosive nugget of
information such as this one, or such as the Valerie Plame affair
http://www.washingtonpost.com/ac2/wp-dyn/A29782-2003Dec2?language=printer
Frank Carluci wrote:
> Strange this was never brought up in the Amercian media....
>
> http://www.guardian.co.uk/usa/story/0,12271,1312540,00.html
and we all know how trustworthy the Guardian is, it's up there with "the
Star" and "the National inquirer" and let's not forget "weekly world news"
Don't you have something better to do? like say wood working?
Especially if you must say anything so moronic.
"Woodchuck Bill" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> Paul Kierstead <[email protected]> wrote in news:pmk_usenet-
> [email protected]:
>
> >> Strange this was never brought up in the Amercian media....
> >>
> >
> >
> > If you must post Political stuff, please preface your subject line with
> > OT, and preferably with POL as well.
> >
>
> Even better..post it to a different group.
>
> --
> Bill
On Thu, 4 Nov 2004 14:45:20 -0500, "Frank Carluci"
<[email protected]> wrote:
>Please do not try to discredit the article by extracting a passage of the
>article and citing if off-context.
Fairness has to do with relevance. This is simply irrelevant to anyone
except historians. Read carefully with some little understanding of
the situation at the time your bombshell amounts to nothing at all.
Facing the truth is admirable. Distortions, even distortion by
context, are not.
--RC
That which does not kill us makes us stronger.
--Friedrich Nietzsche
Never get your philosophy from some guy who ended up in the looney bin.
-- Wiz Zumwalt
On Thu, 04 Nov 2004 19:24:23 GMT, "mel" <[email protected]>
wrote:
>so "Bush and the Nazis" as a subject line misled you into thinking it was
>something else?
>
So people's filters didn't catch it because it lacked the OT marker
and that caused people to waste time on it.
Most people in this group weren't interested in the political junk
before the election and they're even less interested now.
--RC
That which does not kill us makes us stronger.
--Friedrich Nietzsche
Never get your philosophy from some guy who ended up in the looney bin.
-- Wiz Zumwalt
>Subject: OT Re: Bush and the Nazis?
>From: [email protected]
>Most people in this group weren't interested in the political junk
>before the election and they're even less interested now.
>
This is a great group. Yes, there are
OT posts, many of them as or more
ridiculous as "Bush and the Baked
Beans," but then, people take the
responsibility to moderate, as you
have done, and it doesn't get out of
hand.
"Frank Carluci" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> Strange this was never brought up in the Amercian media....
>
Yes it has. It is rightfully dismissed as stupid conspiracy nut stuff.
Maybe you aren't aware that you are too late, the election was earlier this
week.
(Bush won)
Frank
"Frank Carluci" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> Strange this was never brought up in the Amercian media....
>
> http://www.guardian.co.uk/usa/story/0,12271,1312540,00.html
>
>
And what of Joe Kennedy who was Ambassador to Great Britain during WWII? He
sympathized with the Nazi's and remained a pacifist. He was ultimately
removed from his post because he was still recommending that the US remain
neutral while the Nazi's were bombing London.
Here's a good link for those who want to read about the Bushes. It's pretty
interesting. Whether I believe it???
http://www.tarpley.net/bush2.htm
"Frank Carluci" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> Strange this was never brought up in the Amercian media....
>
> http://www.guardian.co.uk/usa/story/0,12271,1312540,00.html
>
>
To quote from the article:
"There has been a steady internet chatter about the "Bush/Nazi" connection,
much of it inaccurate and unfair"
Perhaps this is also inaccurate and unfair..
Go piss up a rope.
"Frank Carluci" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> Please do not try to discredit the article by extracting a passage of the
> article and citing if off-context.
> Discreditation is a very easy tool to use, and works well, but always
serves
> the purposes of concealing the truth. Why don't we ever of the end of the
> Michael Jackson abuse stories? Because his well-paid lawyers work
full-time
> on discrediting the poor victims. When the victims have been thoroughly
> discredited, the attention of the media and the public has been lost, and
> Mr. Jackson just bribes the victims to keep them silent. What can money
NOT
> do?
>
> What can't people just face the truth, instead of mindlessly supporting
> criminals in the comfort of their prefabricated happiness?
>
> Anyway, turning back to the mian topic, the article says:
> "The debate over Prescott Bush's behaviour has been bubbling under the
> surface for some time. There has been a steady internet chatter about the
> "Bush/Nazi" connection, much of it inaccurate and unfair. But the new
> documents, many of which were only declassified last year, show that even
> after America had entered the war and when there was already significant
> information about the Nazis' plans and policies, he worked for and
profited
> from companies closely involved with the very German businesses that
> financed Hitler's rise to power. It has also been suggested that the money
> he made from these dealings helped to establish the Bush family fortune
and
> set up its political dynasty."
>
> BTW, this is verified information. People will try to discredit the
Guardian
> as a credible newspaper, although many know they are worldwidely reputable
> for disclosing information in an honest, unbiased manner. You can just
> google up "prescott bush nazi" to see for yourself. I've heard of these
> facts at numerous occasions, from different and unrelated sources.
>
> Not trying to attack anyone here. I am simply weary of the fact that the
> Amercian media conceals information, that it'd be an explosive nugget of
> information such as this one, or such as the Valerie Plame affair
> http://www.washingtonpost.com/ac2/wp-dyn/A29782-2003Dec2?language=printer
>
>
Paul Kierstead <[email protected]> wrote in news:pmk_usenet-
[email protected]:
>> Strange this was never brought up in the Amercian media....
>>
>
>
> If you must post Political stuff, please preface your subject line with
> OT, and preferably with POL as well.
>
Even better..post it to a different group.
--
Bill
On Thu, 4 Nov 2004 13:53:14 -0800, "mp" <[email protected]> wrote:
>> Most people in this group weren't interested in the political junk
>> before the election and they're even less interested now.
>
>Obviously that doesn't include you as you've posted to this thread more than
>anyone else.
>
Obviously indeed.
I try to stay out of these things, but I do get pulled in from time to
time.
--RC
That which does not kill us makes us stronger.
--Friedrich Nietzsche
Never get your philosophy from some guy who ended up in the looney bin.
-- Wiz Zumwalt
Frank Carluci did say:
> Strange this was never brought up in the Amercian media....
>
> http://www.guardian.co.uk/usa/story/0,12271,1312540,00.html
WOW!!! That's Amazing! I'm so glad you brought it up in such a relevant
and timely fashion! Thanks!
I just hope no one holds me responsible for what all of my ancestors did...
--
New project = new tool.
In article <[email protected]>,
"mel" <[email protected]> wrote:
> so "Bush and the Nazis" as a subject line misled you into thinking it was
> something else?
No, but if it was correctly marked (or not present) I would not have to
deal with it at all, which would making an already insanely traffic
heavy group more pleasant to read. If there were only one here and there
it wouldn't be a problem, but the fact is it isn't one here or there.
In article <[email protected]>,
"Frank Carluci" <[email protected]> wrote:
> Strange this was never brought up in the Amercian media....
>
If you must post Political stuff, please preface your subject line with
OT, and preferably with POL as well.